I live in oak city and this was the scariest experience ever!! We had to evacuate and everything! It was a miracle that our town wasn't burnt down, the fire went everywhere but the town. Right around! These guys are all my neighbors too.
As firefighter we learn never let go of the hose. The ability to spray/cool down the fire around you & your fellow is lifesaving.. Riding a bumping truck of cause didn't make that easy.. Good they survived with minor injuries..
Your right about that about the hoses. You never let them go as the water can be used to wet you down and protect the truck wetting both it and the people. Having fought fires for many years theyate never to be taken slightly. Low or no humidity changing and extreme wind conditions always lead to confusion.
Good lessons were learned from these men and what they experienced with this wild fire. Got to see them at some training last year in Moab, Utah and they spoke about what had happened with this fire at that training. This is a good learning video for any department and all should view it and then discuss what you have learned from it to better help your department in case you ever find your department is a situation like they had.
Great video for all us to learn from. I will be sure to share this with my crews as one of daily trainings. Thank-you for posting this. Such valuable lessons...
Thank you Rowdy Muir from a 60 year old ex USFS Fire fighter. There is no question when it goes alert. You fight...and use your knowledge. Know when to get the F OUT
The US really needs to up its game with firefighter safety, and firefighting in general. They should not have to rely on self-built trucks. The need purpose built wildland fire vehicles with crew protection systems like those in Australia.
I've been watching a few American incident review type videos. I'm amazed at the lack of protection systems employed on the equivalent of our tankers ( you'd call em brush trucks). No heat sheilds, drop down radiant heat sheilds or water curtains. I mean it must work for ya or you wouldn't be doing it but I take great comfort knowing the burnover systems will give me a chance
Love Rambo and the gamma goat and all the footage I have been a driver in a similar situation here in Oklahoma It's a sad situation brush fires are very unpredictable
Im glad they were ok, i just watched the movie only the brave, i had never heard of it before and didn't know it was based on a true story. I was sad when the team died in the movie but when i realized it actually happened i was heart broken.
This isn't really a fire truck though. It's a military tanker truck with pumps strapped onto it. The burnover system on Australian fire trucks is great and all but you can't just hodge podge such a system onto an unconventional vehicle. Would have been a good idea to put swiveling seats at the top of the tanker instead and use the hoses as the "burnover" mode while keeping the truck in motion. Spray ahead of the truck and drive through the water mist.
This was a volunteer dept. Seriously underfunded. I think we're down to $75 dollars a call, regardless of members or apparatus responding, or the type of call in my county in rural texas. other than the per call money, monthly funds are pretty thin. Government doesn't think a fire service is worth it I guess. Thats why most places are running hand me down handmedowns from multiple other services. I served on a volunteer dept until politics stopped it, and its sad what the guys are sent out with, equipment and training wise. Die hard attack from the black here due to terrain, but if we have space, farmers are always willing to plow ahead.
1. Fire not scouted and sized up. Fires can burn fast. When they are close to town there is an urgency, especially if the fire is small and it is assumed that it can be put out. In an urgent situation, often firefighters see the issue at hand and decide that spending 10 minutes to scout and size the fire up, especially in a small fire, is not a good decision and will waste valuable time.2. In country not seen in daylight. Nothing you can do about that.3. Escape routes not identifiable. Again, in small fires escape routes are obvious. Escape routes change as the fire grows, and because the fire was close to town, the fire fighters knew the urgency of getting the fire out asap.6. Instructions not clear. In dangerous situations with hundreds of possible outcomes there really isn't a clear instruction, and if it was clear, it would change with each new possible outcome. Also, the squad boss probably understood that the veterans on the first engine on the fire were smart enough, and well versed enough to know what was going on and what needed to be done since they were the first ones on the fire.I don't mean to sound like a butt, however I do grow tired of what I call "safety shaming" in which so called enlightened beings cast shame and doubt on people lower than themselves with safety protocols that cannot be used in every situation, at least not when all hell is breaking loose. Try throwing a ten step safety protocol on a cop when he's in a firefight with a bank robber. He doesn't even have the time to remember one protocol, let alone ten. He's thinking, "I want to get out of this alive and see my family tonight. Crap, why did this have to happen to me? They say the average police office will not even see a fire fight in their career and yet here I am. Bad luck. I've got to shoot this guy. I have to shoot him. No choice. It's me or him. Look at that, he just hit the bank teller girl, oh he's going down now. Bam." That's it, that's how it goes.
Don’t airport firefighters have a surplus supply to donate to wildfire fire departments or Hotshots that work a pump or tank truck like these two people did.
Simple. The usual suspects: Lack of communication and Ego.on drivers part. Didn't any of those guys read the back of their notebooks? The driver broke the first 15 cardinal rules of wildland firefighting.
"I let go of the hose" NEVER let go of the hose! It is your primary defence against the fire as you go through the flames. Sure, they might not have known right away they were going to go through such high flames and all. But that's why you NEVER let go of the hose! You just don't know how useful it can be to you and others around you. It would have been better to hold the hose forwards as you move along so you drive through a mist of water at all times. Also, assuming you have adjustable nozzles (which every firefighter has nowadays) you would adjust it for maximum coverage rather than range. Making it even better at shielding the whole truck from flames as water has an extremely high heat density. Meaning flames cannot exist in a mist of water. But then there's the design of the damn truck itself. I know safety features are silly most of the time but this was just plain stupid. You had nothing to hold on to, no form of catch rail if you were to be bumped off. At least you should have had a square platform that you can fold out which has rails on it so you can lean against said rails if need be. Or even better yet, build some seats on swivels on top of the tanker in a forward position so you are near the cockpit. Then you have a full 360 degree view of the ground around the truck and can attack any angle, including forwards. The other benefit is you have a damn seat to sit in if you have to bug out.
I too, was wondering why they dropped their hoses- instead of using them to douse themselves and the truck-as they drove through those flames.. Maybe it was a combination of bumpy terrain, their speed and our natural instinct to ensure balance while on a moving object..!?! IDK... I wasn't there... All I know, is that they were very lucky to escape with their lives and I hope they/others will learn from this avoidable incident.. The problem, I see, is complacency and situational awareness..
These safety videos are funny. It's a shame, but no one does anything by the book. I roll through stop signs, I say bad things about people under my breath, I don't wipe the microwave out after I use it. I don't go by the book, and neither does the military, the police, the judge, and your workplace. Things get set aside because of the financial costs, they also get put on the back burner because no one wants to work an extra day to keep things up to snuff. This happens in every safety sensitive job. Things get worse when there is an intense situation, such as a firefight in a war, a bank robbery, and in this case a brush fire. I think what I'm trying to say is that there is no utopia, and won't be one in the near future. People make mistakes, safety personnel make mistakes, and on and on it goes.
Clay Smith Interesting observation.. Sounds like you live in country with rather low standards of education & ability/will to follow basic instructions? Most of what you notice would bring anyone in serious trouble with law, in my hemisphere..
Clay Smith things get pushed aside often because doing everything by the actual book would be incapacitating and result in crippling slowdowns. We have to be realistic when creating rules about what real life humans are going to be willing to put up with on a daily basis to address a one-off or exceeding rare situation way outside the norm.
@@corettaha7855 Interesting statement.. Did you learn anything from these presentations of extreme expensive catastrophes? Your dangerously arrogant lassez fair attitude is excactly the major reason behind all to many deadly workplace events! You shouldn't work with no larger responsibility than shovel & wheel barrow.. Safety prescription might slow down, but makes even ignorants like you safe to work with..! Try to calculate the lifelong cost of just one victim of presented workplace accidents.. 🙈🙉🙊
Thank you for your service and your sacrifice. I am so sorry this happened to you.
I live in oak city and this was the scariest experience ever!! We had to evacuate and everything! It was a miracle that our town wasn't burnt down, the fire went everywhere but the town. Right around! These guys are all my neighbors too.
Railey Jacobs I’m glad y’all made it. Cheers!
This is a great story, Thanks for sharing. Very important lessons learned.
As firefighter we learn never let go of the hose.
The ability to spray/cool down the fire around you & your fellow is lifesaving..
Riding a bumping truck of cause didn't make that easy..
Good they survived with minor injuries..
Your right about that about the hoses. You never let them go as the water can be used to wet you down and protect the truck wetting both it and the people. Having fought fires for many years theyate never to be taken slightly. Low or no humidity changing and extreme wind conditions always lead to confusion.
Good lessons were learned from these men and what they experienced with this wild fire. Got to see them at some training last year in Moab, Utah and they spoke about what had happened with this fire at that training. This is a good learning video for any department and all should view it and then discuss what you have learned from it to better help your department in case you ever find your department is a situation like they had.
thank you guys. things like this remind all of us, even in low grassfires, to continue to evaluate our LCES
Great video for all us to learn from. I will be sure to share this with my crews as one of daily trainings. Thank-you for posting this. Such valuable lessons...
Thank you Rowdy Muir from a 60 year old ex USFS Fire fighter.
There is no question when it goes alert. You fight...and use your knowledge.
Know when to get the F OUT
The US really needs to up its game with firefighter safety, and firefighting in general. They should not have to rely on self-built trucks. The need purpose built wildland fire vehicles with crew protection systems like those in Australia.
THANK FOR POSTING THIS VIDEO BE SAFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been watching a few American incident review type videos. I'm amazed at the lack of protection systems employed on the equivalent of our tankers ( you'd call em brush trucks). No heat sheilds, drop down radiant heat sheilds or water curtains. I mean it must work for ya or you wouldn't be doing it but I take great comfort knowing the burnover systems will give me a chance
Good video, good information and very informative
Thank you for posting a very informative video
is a good lessons learned story with a good ending .
Love Rambo and the gamma goat and all the footage
I have been a driver in a similar situation here in Oklahoma
It's a sad situation brush fires are very unpredictable
THIS VIDEO IS AMAZING. WOW!
I live in Utah, and my great grandmother's house almost got destroyed. The flames were only a few yards away.
Im glad they were ok, i just watched the movie only the brave, i had never heard of it before and didn't know it was based on a true story.
I was sad when the team died in the movie but when i realized it actually happened i was heart broken.
Yeah. USA really needs to learn from Australia when it comes to engineering. Their brush trucks have a "Burnover" mode. Check it out.
I haven't had to rely on that yet. But I'm dam glad it's there
This isn't really a fire truck though. It's a military tanker truck with pumps strapped onto it.
The burnover system on Australian fire trucks is great and all but you can't just hodge podge such a system onto an unconventional vehicle.
Would have been a good idea to put swiveling seats at the top of the tanker instead and use the hoses as the "burnover" mode while keeping the truck in motion. Spray ahead of the truck and drive through the water mist.
@@RealCadde how bout you get a job there and bring all your knowledge 😉
This was a volunteer dept.
Seriously underfunded. I think we're down to $75 dollars a call, regardless of members or apparatus responding, or the type of call in my county in rural texas. other than the per call money, monthly funds are pretty thin. Government doesn't think a fire service is worth it I guess. Thats why most places are running hand me down handmedowns from multiple other services. I served on a volunteer dept until politics stopped it, and its sad what the guys are sent out with, equipment and training wise. Die hard attack from the black here due to terrain, but if we have space, farmers are always willing to plow ahead.
@@dylanpeterson3490ain’t that the damn truth. Are volunteer doesn’t have shit
and make sure you are outfitted in the best fireproof gear
1. Fire not scouted and sized up. Fires can burn fast. When they are close to town there is an urgency, especially if the fire is small and it is assumed that it can be put out. In an urgent situation, often firefighters see the issue at hand and decide that spending 10 minutes to scout and size the fire up, especially in a small fire, is not a good decision and will waste valuable time.2. In country not seen in daylight. Nothing you can do about that.3. Escape routes not identifiable. Again, in small fires escape routes are obvious. Escape routes change as the fire grows, and because the fire was close to town, the fire fighters knew the urgency of getting the fire out asap.6. Instructions not clear. In dangerous situations with hundreds of possible outcomes there really isn't a clear instruction, and if it was clear, it would change with each new possible outcome. Also, the squad boss probably understood that the veterans on the first engine on the fire were smart enough, and well versed enough to know what was going on and what needed to be done since they were the first ones on the fire.I don't mean to sound like a butt, however I do grow tired of what I call "safety shaming" in which so called enlightened beings cast shame and doubt on people lower than themselves with safety protocols that cannot be used in every situation, at least not when all hell is breaking loose. Try throwing a ten step safety protocol on a cop when he's in a firefight with a bank robber. He doesn't even have the time to remember one protocol, let alone ten. He's thinking, "I want to get out of this alive and see my family tonight. Crap, why did this have to happen to me? They say the average police office will not even see a fire fight in their career and yet here I am. Bad luck. I've got to shoot this guy. I have to shoot him. No choice. It's me or him. Look at that, he just hit the bank teller girl, oh he's going down now. Bam." That's it, that's how it goes.
Don’t airport firefighters have a surplus supply to donate to wildfire fire departments or Hotshots that work a pump or tank truck like these two people did.
The second vehicle, "Gamagoat" where's the protection in that vehicle it's open cabin. No chance I'd take that near a fire.
Simple. The usual suspects: Lack of communication and Ego.on drivers part. Didn't any of those guys read the back of their notebooks? The driver broke the first 15 cardinal rules of wildland firefighting.
Wear those 🧤
???????? i want too help i se the future am medieum
sorry to mi inglish am francophone
Red Carded?
Red card means that you've had wildland fire training and are considered qualified to fight wildfire.
"I let go of the hose"
NEVER let go of the hose! It is your primary defence against the fire as you go through the flames.
Sure, they might not have known right away they were going to go through such high flames and all. But that's why you NEVER let go of the hose! You just don't know how useful it can be to you and others around you.
It would have been better to hold the hose forwards as you move along so you drive through a mist of water at all times. Also, assuming you have adjustable nozzles (which every firefighter has nowadays) you would adjust it for maximum coverage rather than range. Making it even better at shielding the whole truck from flames as water has an extremely high heat density. Meaning flames cannot exist in a mist of water.
But then there's the design of the damn truck itself. I know safety features are silly most of the time but this was just plain stupid. You had nothing to hold on to, no form of catch rail if you were to be bumped off.
At least you should have had a square platform that you can fold out which has rails on it so you can lean against said rails if need be. Or even better yet, build some seats on swivels on top of the tanker in a forward position so you are near the cockpit. Then you have a full 360 degree view of the ground around the truck and can attack any angle, including forwards.
The other benefit is you have a damn seat to sit in if you have to bug out.
I'm sure you know all about it 😉
Wow your hindsight is impeccable! "JFK should have just stayed home that day, or atleast shouldn't have rode in a convertible"
I too, was wondering why they dropped their hoses- instead of using them to douse themselves and the truck-as they drove through those flames.. Maybe it was a combination of bumpy terrain, their speed and our natural instinct to ensure balance while on a moving object..!?! IDK... I wasn't there... All I know, is that they were very lucky to escape with their lives and I hope they/others will learn from this avoidable incident.. The problem, I see, is complacency and situational awareness..
These safety videos are funny. It's a shame, but no one does anything by the book. I roll through stop signs, I say bad things about people under my breath, I don't wipe the microwave out after I use it. I don't go by the book, and neither does the military, the police, the judge, and your workplace. Things get set aside because of the financial costs, they also get put on the back burner because no one wants to work an extra day to keep things up to snuff. This happens in every safety sensitive job. Things get worse when there is an intense situation, such as a firefight in a war, a bank robbery, and in this case a brush fire. I think what I'm trying to say is that there is no utopia, and won't be one in the near future. People make mistakes, safety personnel make mistakes, and on and on it goes.
Clay Smith Interesting observation.. Sounds like you live in country with rather low standards of education & ability/will to follow basic instructions?
Most of what you notice would bring anyone in serious trouble with law, in my hemisphere..
Clay Smith things get pushed aside often because doing everything by the actual book would be incapacitating and result in crippling slowdowns. We have to be realistic when creating rules about what real life humans are going to be willing to put up with on a daily basis to address a one-off or exceeding rare situation way outside the norm.
@@corettaha7855 Interesting statement..
Did you learn anything from these presentations of extreme expensive catastrophes?
Your dangerously arrogant lassez fair attitude is excactly the major reason behind all to many deadly workplace events!
You shouldn't work with no larger responsibility than shovel & wheel barrow..
Safety prescription might slow down, but makes even ignorants like you safe to work with..!
Try to calculate the lifelong cost of just one victim of presented workplace accidents..
🙈🙉🙊
I'm supposed to wipe the microwave after I use it?