its fun to debate stuff with people but a lot of people are either stupid misinformed or biased especaily biased and this sucks the fun out of the whole activity
When I'm biased I'm just joking and I hate it cuz it always gets complicated and I swear to god if I see another person bring up One Punch Man I'm gonna One Punch Them
I remember when some Itachi fans made up a fake Kishimoto interview that stated “Itachi could easily defeat Madara”. Because they just couldn’t accept the fact that Itachi would have gotten violated by Madara in a fight.
Itachi und my opinion is the most overrated and most underrated character in Naruto it’s either he top 2 or he’s trash so I made an analysis and he would definetly beat most of the characters that crossed his way he is probably the best genjutsu user we have seen (because he is the only one that showed strong ones and a wide variety) and has an insane battle iq at the point where he fought sasuke he wouldve beaten him and naruto high diff and his edo form is one of the strongest edos in the whole verse BUT he absolutely lacks combat skill and endurance so madara hashirama war arc sasuke and war arc naruto would beat him no diff so yeah after my analysis I would put him top 10 probably
I saw a vs short the other day, Gojo vs All for One Mf claims AfO could steal Gojo's ,,quirk" and dodges any question regarding infinity No one can beat Gojo without CE, even Toji almost killed him ONLY because he had a special weapon that bypassed cursed techniques
I genuinely despise it when characters dodging glowing beams is considered to be them dodging light despite the fact that the beams have visible travel time and are probably more akin to plasma or energy blasts. That SINGLE interpretation has created massive holes in the power-scaling space tbh.
@@johnark4723 Some do, like in One Piece, there's no denying it. But what the hell is happening in MHA?? There's no way a majority of those characters scale to FTL, that doesn't make any sense in the context of the setting.
@@generallyupsetfetus There's a character whos quirk is constantly described as a laser and light, and is able to be reflected. Yet people have constantly dodged his attacks. MHA scaling is wacky and inconsistent.
Well, while i agree with your point that many characters get unfairly rated as FTL i have to say that "visible travel time" doesn't matter, high speed fights never actually happen in high speeds otherwise, we, as the viewers wouldn't be able to see it (news flash) so it's only logical that you disregard the travel time of an attack based on "our perception is slowed down" i mean, flash is basically the very personification of speed but we can still see him fighting reverse flash and other speedsters that go well past the speed of light
@@themagalanium9491 Climate change negs humans easily, solar flare negs, the universe stomps humans bro what do you mean by solo the universe? Humans can't even survive a couple of earthquakes and a common cold much less anything unknown in the cosmos
You forgot the rule where if you don't want a character to be considered planetary, all planetary destruction statements are actually hyperbole despite there being Multiple pieces of evidence proving otherwise
@@olamasama9243 but if you want scale what you want. ive heard dbz fans say goku is multiversal+ even though dbz only has 12 universes and multiversal means able to destroy infinite universes or smth. oh and yeah dbz is planetary and when rimuru destroyed 9,000-90,000 universes in his sleep it was something like idk 9 atoms
@@olamasama9243 I'm going to say one thing and if you start a debate I'll crash-out on the kids at the ice cream truck. Bardock (who had a power lvl of 10k) destroyed planets and so did king vegeta (who had a power level of 10k-18k) so when goku did kaioken for the first time (which gives you a 2x multiplier) which would've made goku planetary for only a short period of time
I swear if I hear another argument of a random character being "massively hypersonic" or being "galaxy level" because the most random action, I am going to lose it.
@@Romashka_Sov that's because speed is categorized into reaction, travel and combat speed. As an example usain bolt can run at about 36km/h and the fastest punch is recorded at like 72km/h, so we can see here that the speed at which a human can travel is not the same at which they can perform a certain action (ie: punching) this isn't so much a problem with power scaling, but more so the people who do it not understanding their own concepts.
@@Rodanguyyhonestly I think the the creators just made their characters dodge lazers because it looks cool without actually considering how fast real lazer are. Storm trooper blaster fights would end so much quicker if the lazer projectiles were as fast as actual light. No Jedi human or ailen could possibly react and deflect a real light speed lazer. Thats why they slow down the lazers in the star wars shows and films to allow the viewers to understand whats going on and to allow jedi to react to the incoming lazers.
As a power scaler my self, i have to say this video was completely accurate. But you forgot those UA-cam videos that put a character against someone who's obviously weaker then they title the video "A vs B isn't close" *Cough*Tylearned *cough*
The day power scaling died for me was when I started realizing the authors usually didn't realize what feats they were setting while just following the common tropes of comics. A character can get dropped by a gun but can also get tossed through a concrete and just hop right up to their feet. _right_ . A character is blasted by a tank or missile and it gives them a nose bleed but they get tossed through a support column like it's a wwe folding table. _groan_ .The human body is light as phuk and the kind force required to send one clean through a concrete building instead of bouncing off like a racket ball is soooo much more than people imagine.
Yea, there are a lot of problems with the power scaling community 1. The amount of power scalers who don't actually understand the differences between AP/DC 2. The amount of power scalers who don't understand speed categories 3. The amount of times feats are taken out of context. 4. The amount of people who don't understand when hax can and can't be outscaled 5. The amount of people who don't understand verse equalization. 6. The amount of meatriders who exist solely to push an agenda. 7. The amount of people who don't understand scaling or the tiering system entirely, this is like saying you're a mathematician but not understanding arithmetic operations. 8. The amount of people who don't understand what cosmology entails. 9. The amount of people who don't consider the implication of hax because they just assume that having a higher AP/DC means they automatically win. 10. The amount of people who get butthurt over VS Battle. I agree, too many people conflate quality of writing with power, whether your favourite character gets stomped by another shouldn't impact your enjoyment or love for the series. 11. The amount of people who don't understand what dimension > hax really should really mean. 12. The amount of people who apply the logic of the verse they are representing to another but not the other way around and assuming that it must be true for all pieces of fiction (cough* dragonball strength > hax cough*) 13. The amount of people who don't consider how a character actually acts. 14. The amount of people who don't understand keys and standard equipment. 15. The amount of people who think metafictional transcendence is real or that omnipotence can exist in fiction.
I also personally disagree with using calcs from pixel measurements, since authors don't typically care about that. There is also a few problems with the tiering system itself, but that's an entirely different ordeal.
I believe the Best way to Power scale 2 Characters is this Method of Deduction: 1. Understand how Both characters universes work 2. Understand the Mindset of the Character 3. Deeply Analysis the Characters Abilities, Feats, and Defeats by weighing in the Proper Logic, Circumstance, & Context to the Situation at Hand 4. Go into the Background plights of the Powersets, Weaknesses, and Mechanics to the Point where you can Proper convert it to any Verse 5. Set up the Battle Properly in a Stable Context (If the 2 Characters know each, if they don’t, or if they Hate each other) and set the Ground Realistically, Not Equal for you are trying to understand a Realistic Battle through Verisimilitude Not equalizing Bonehead Logic 6. Commence the Battle into Effect and have those 2 Combatants properly against each other to see the Outcome with all the Proper information and if you have to pull Headcanon or stuff you haven’t seen or implied in the Base Source than have it make sense for the Character or Universe 7. Profit, Battle is Won and everyone comes away understanding the Full Power of Both combatants and are less Ignorant about power scaling and Fights
I whole-heartedly agree with this, but the sad truth is that no one will actually go through with it because it's too much work for the common sheep brain. It's much easier to do the same toxic nonsense people have been doing for years and call it a day.
Number 1 works in conjunction with “verse equalization” fights too because in my opinion for that to work both verses power/energy system should work at least a bit similar but there are some that doesn’t for example chakra and haki are two completely different things and if you try to equalize both you’re ignoring some properties and things about the both of those
@@lebrondavis1420 I understand that, but I’m saying as I said before That really isn’t possible, some Universes are Weak, Others are Realistic, and Alot are Overpowered When you compare both universes with the 2 Fighting Characters, It overall sets a Base Standard for the Characters in the Battle as a Virisimilitude, Like a “Real Life” standard Say, Normal People can bench 150 Ib, but Normal People in Naruto can bench 350 Ib, Clearly the Naruto Universe is Superior Then have each Characters Universe center their Strength Properly and then put them in a Neutral Environment for the Most Accurate Battle Statistics and Results
Im only familiar with the one piece power scaling community but it's hard to belive for me that there are any worse that that. People argue the most insane stuff and Shanks is the strongest in the verse for tons of people.
The Shanks being strongest in the verse is lowkey wild to me. But I guess if you're only looking at how he's been portrayed I guess I could understand it. But he be winning every UA-cam poll, like they think he can 3 v 1 admirals.
@@olamasama9243 i mean if a dude dodges an attack at point blank that is stated to be light speed you can ony assume them to be at least light speed in combat and reaction timing. like kcm1 naruto became light speed after clearly blitzing the 4th raikage who is stated by the databooks to be light speed`
@@TheGamingShogunThe problem is that when a character is calculated as being 20 times faster than the speed of light and they still struggle to outrun a fast car or when they take like 30 minutes to get from New York to Chicago. Ironman in the comics is calculated as having older suits that are FTL, but in his most advanced suit he took like 20 minutes to get from Ney York to Chicago in a newer comic.
@@vanjagalovic3621 it's just an issue with inconsistencies in certain shows that's just bound to happen. Because on all reality going faster than light is impossible as nothing would be able to keep up including the light that makes you see so it's all inconsistencies as why I don't question it
Yep, these two brain cells users cannot possibly stay in the debates. As soon as you make a point, they start insulting your whole bloodline. Lord forbids you show weakness.
The thing I hate the most about power scalers is that they think that just because someone is stronger than the other than they are written better than the other characters like bruh , that’s why they get sooo defensive because if you say that a character is stronger than their fav character it like if you said that character is overall better than their fav character. It makes me want to commit die
It would be better if people focused less on who has more stats and actually put them in interesting scenarios based on those stats. For example, if a character has high iq/biq over a character who beats them in most other stats, then why not have the smarter guy actually use said intelligence? Or, if something has extreme potential why not use said potential? Ofc it depends on how high other stats are, because I doubt anyone can beat a being with irrelevant speed regardless of how smart they are
Yeah, but actually _writing_ things like high or super-intelligence takes effort, and effort is icky and not particularly safe or profitable! (Do not want!)
Gotta love how death battle tells you some characters are beyond light speed with the clip of said character getting shot in the knees right next to me
The "canon" argument is a legitimate concern. There is even an anime in which this issue is a major plot point. It's called Re:Creators, a show where fictional characters enter the real world and start fighting each other. It turns out that their powers are derived from audience acceptance. Thus, if a writer makes a Twitter post saying a manga character has a new power, and the fans accept it, then the real version of the character also gains that ability. The problem is, the main antagonist is basically an internet meme, and everyone online keeps giving her virtually unlimited powers. What this has to do with power scaling is that if a character is really popular, such as Goku or Superman, then writers will just endlessly churn out new content for them to star in, and since new content has to raise the stakes to keep fans interested, they always get more powerful. Why this is a problem is that fans will always argue that there is a version of their favourite character who wins almost every fight. Canon is about reeling that in. Otherwise you can always find some borderline facfic tier version of a character and say "that's the strongest licensed version of the character so that character wins every fight." And yes, people do do this.
Though it’s stupid, I feel like you could easily say, when comparing characters from 2 different universes, is “well character A’s earth is 5x as dense as earth so that’s why he isn’t destroying it, so character A was on character B’s earth he would show the same results as character B.”
I have seen something like this before, if i recall correctly, it was about tower of god, basically, the guy was saying tha TOG's world was much more durable than a regular world so a character who was capable of destroying a city on TOG is basically a planet buster on a regular worlds
This is a argument used in one piece, the one piece earth is several times or closer to 100x our earth size, this is why traveling takes so long, there are so many islands, why it’s 70% water, etc. so small feats in one piece would be scaled massively up In other verses, so if for example kaido destroyed a continent, in other verses like MHA it would be many times that
@@jamir4president319 "so long" iirc it took Strawhats crew ~3 months to travel from East Blue when Luffy met Zoro to the Marineford, and this includes all those stops and adventures they had on the way. And in some cases people are able to travel half of the Grand Lime in weeks, as it was shown by other characters. In late chapters they all travel back and forth, like it took a few days for [HUGE MANGA ONLY SPOILER] to reach Egg Head Island. It is estimated One Piece planet is about the size of our Earth, and if my memory is right, Oda said it's slightly larger
You forgot to mention that if the other person makes a speling mistace, then they automatically lose the argument, even if they argued that Goku could win against Tanjiro.
I never like Power Scaling discussions. It is a sorry excuse for inviduals to start some Flame War with each ithers. And a sorry excuse to share their knowledge about something. And they also very bias when it come about Scaling their favorite Characters. For example, people assume that Godzilla is the strongest fictional character just because Godzilla defeated Superman. Even though the story was written by a Godzilla fan who doesn't know much about Superman. Superman was holding back much of the tome, and Godzilla was cheap-shoting Superman. So the problem with Power Scaling is the bias of some people who thinks their favorite character is stronger that yours. Stan Lee said best when he debunked The VS Community. Yet some folks in the Power Scaling Community expect us don't to believe someone who is bigger and more influential like Stan Lee. But they expect us to believe them and no Stan Lee who hold more power than them. You can spotter their biases. -_-;
This genuinely gave me the best laugh I had for years. I used to be a powerscaler in discord and can confirm, powerscalers could win a nobel prize if they inputted 1% the effort they do in powerscalling in something USEFUL
As a power scaler myself, it's horrendous. Most of the time, you either met someone who says a character is a million times stronger than what they have ever shown just because they saw it in a UA-cam video, and then there are those who know Shit about the terminology and think everything is outerversal, and the people who debate properly, normally are only good with 7 or 8 frictional works and don't debate about anything else. And the people who do calcs, specifically for strength get debunked months or years later, and to get an idea the difference between 2 calcs of the same thing is normally of dozens of thousands to even billions. Speed is normally better since the formula is way more simple, but there are people that make absurd time frames up to get absurd results. Overall i wouldn't recommend it.
@@Sleeplessmonkehe literally uses it first time during fighting while he is ssb, now he mui in manga, and the mention of hakai is all over the manga because vegeta is trying to master it, why the hell wouldnt goku use it if he know its best for that situation, when powerscaling we try to put the steongest out of both sides, we cant count for situations. Goku would be heavly nerfed if we include his dumb behavior of letting his guard down, or not observing his enemy to get info about what his power might be. Goku is faster than light but if there exists a character where it had slow power with the speed of sound but on the other hand can erase someone's soul, goku would have likely not dodged it or even went to it himself and touched it. You never know the limit of how dumb goku can be
Power scaling, especially in Dragon Ball, is stupid and useless. They literally have the ability to surpress and hide their power, and can raise it instantly so no one ever knows how powerful someone truly is. Like Ginyu said to Jeice "The reason he made you look like a pack of losers is that you relied on your scouters"
Nah gang, once you dodge an attack, you are faster than the attack. Common sense really. I already proved that Batman is on par with the flash in speed. (Sarcasm in case you couldn't tell)
I seen a lot of people be acting like this with characters like the Slime boy from "Reincarnated as a slim". (No not saying the whole phrase you guess it out at this point.) Making dumb shit like he has counters to literally everything, despite one of his biggest weakness the series demonstrates this many times that when he's out of energy, he is vulnerable and easily can be able to be wiped out afterwards. But I guess we gloss over things established? Smh
I am very thankful that you brought up the last point. So many people seem to think a verse being stronger somehow makes it better, which is why they go to such stupid lengths to try and "prove it". I believe that that core belief peoppe have is what sparks most the toxicity in this community. Well, that and a desire to feel superior to others Also, a tip. If you value your sanity never look at the comments on a power scaling video, especially if it's a short. That shit's so bad it'll make your IQ low enough to rival a shounen protagonist
I woke up before the sun light got in my room so im ftl+ and if im ftl+ im sun level+ which is planetary and gojo isn't planetary so i'm actually stronger than jjk verse
I remember when boruto fans had figured about shibai and said he knew everything and is omnipotent with having litttle to know evidence then every fanbase just bullied the boruto fans for like months straight it’s was hilarious to see(shibai is a Boros victim)
@@sonicwithglasses131 yeah in. That verse but there are barely any evidence proof or claims he is that strong I’ve heard shibai is multiversal becuase he ascended his actual body and they say it’s outomaticlly 5D and most arguements are shit they always say He has no real body nobody can touch him-🤓
Man i hate these power scaler goons One time i was in a dragon ball rp right? I was ssj4 goku and a guy was using ssjbkk againts to to rp as soon as i said "your punches merely tickle" some dude came into the rp uninvited and just started yapping bout "uhm actually ssjbkk is stronger than ssj4 🤓"
Power scaling was fine until people started valuing it over actual stories and character writing of series's that just so happened to have strong characters in them like Dragon Ball
The thing is, If a guy tries to scale his favorite character to someone else, for example Goku Vs Saitama, depending on whos your favorite you're gonna say hes gonna win without any research, but personally i love both equally and think ssj3 goku or ssj2 is very enough for full power saitama
The peak of disgusting power scaling is the Team Gojo vs Team Kakashi debate. I've literally seen people claim that Team Gojo would win because Nobara beats Sakura, Yuji beats Naruto since Sukuna would come out, and that Megumi and Gojo would beat Sasuke and Kakashi since they have limitless and Mahoraga. In reality Sakura speed blitzes team Gojo and kills them all other than Gojo himself who dies to DMS Kakashi or Sasuke who can both use space ninjutus.
1:44 as someone apart of the community, I relate to this, I got into a debate where we questioned if deku dodged the radio waves, since I couldn't find any evidence of him doing so
Personally unless the author states the charecters speed or another characters speed it’s hard to scale that characters speed with out taking estimations. So in my opinion reaction speed and movement speed have to be slightly relative because you can’t dodge a bullet at the speed of a turtle even if you can react to it
Bro said plus plus plus 😂. Nah dis shi hilarious but one thing people don’t understand tho is that it’s the people who use power scaling that can make it a problem but every series has power scaling. Not calcs they’re different. Power scaling necessary for the author to scale opponents against the other. So yea ya last point was perfect 💯
I mostly been a standby and sometimes do a debate just for fun on DB power scaling and ngl, some people barely know hot to read -like is it manga or anime? Does filler count? Witch version of goku? What about consistency -they just say nu uh and say goku is outher.... 💀 And btw people NEED to to seriously take into account that power scaling fiction is NOT (most of the time) accurately to reality, if it was then goku would have infinite energy 🤦♂️ (yes, its been debunked)
Lmao I power scale myself and I can definitely tell you the biggest debates I've been in is Saitama Vs Goku (Goku wins btw), Naruto Vs Luffy (Naruto wins rather easily too), Deku vs Asta (Asta one shots), And Ichigo or Aizen vs JJK or the Big 3
I'm not going to lie, I'm telling you that you're not wrong, but it's not like you can do anything with those people, but to be honest, among the evils of humanity, powerscaling is not an evil that should be compared, it is so small, so irrelevantly small, ephemeral, that its importance is 0 in comparison
beleave it or not about the narration not being true actualy works for jjk cause in one point itadori dodge percing blood(supersonic) acordding to the narrator than gets speed blitzed with choso by subsonic speeds multiple times and itadori was stronger
Everything said in this video is fact for example Nothing pisses me off more than when people say Sakura is the strongest female character in Naruto because she punched kaguya let's all ignore the fact that it was a sneak attack and kaguya saw her as nothing but an insignificant bug
The problem is powerscaling especially in an argument where 'who wins over who' it's hard to come to a conclusion sometimes even in a same verse but it becomes ridiculous when compared characters from different verses and after seeing how much the authors themselves destroy the power system they themselves have created whenever they feel like it with no logical explanation i sometimes do feel they are unreliable...... don't get me wrong they are pretty much the gods of their manga/anime but i feel it's disrespectful to his/her own works and the audience and is lazy writing when he/she straight out ignore the system thet made us get hooked up to the series Gege and isayama are one of the few who stay true to their own power system
As a power scaler myself, I think that power scaling is really fun. It's fun to look at fictional characters and be amazed with how powerful they are, what they scale to, and their abilities. It's also really fun to put them in battles and figure out who wins. But it's just the endless toxicity of fanbases with the endless arguments, wanks, sometimes downplaying, and name calling that ruins it. Especially with fanbases such as Sonic the Hedgehog, Dragon Ball, Mortal Kombat, Persona, and sometimes Marvel and DC.
I quit power scaling after I lost a few of my brain cells talking with the goku, Saitama, Gojo, and some fanbase. Now I debate at football because I'm so annoyed at the Messi and Cr7 fan's lmao
I one time wrote 3 paragraphs of narutos feats compared too luffys feats in a comment section, took me an hour too write. I still believe naruto extreme difs with baryon mode (without a limit the fight said luffy g5 vs baryon naruto with no limit) EDIT: i found out he deleted the video lmao
As someone who does not care who wins and just enjoys the discussion, I hate the amount of people that don't even understand fundamentals of research and debate
This guy literally exposed every single power scaler also here's an amazing trick to make ur fav character win everytime just dox them and send them death threaths
I'm a power scaler and I hate it and everything about it. That being said, it annoys me when non scalers complain about scaling because they don't know the true pain of power scaling 💀 Edit: I could make an argument for Yuji soloing one piece 💀
Arguments between 1 million years training a featless character and god fusion goku a featless character is crazy how people think no limiters means infinity stats nooo bro it just means infinity potential for growth
" Yeaaah gojo is planetary because the manga said sukuna can deshtroy the world as we know it and gojo is relative to him in power " Gojo's 200% purple only destroying city blocks : Sukuna's virtical world cutting slash NOT cutting the world in 2 :
im just saying you could argue naruto being solar system level based on how you interpret kaguya's dimension destroying feat and how big you think it was
Powerscalers when I run away from the light of the sun slowly creeping up towards me: He is clearly FTL+ and can speed blitz Gojo with equalized cosmology. Bonus: Powerscalers after realizing we view fiction as fiction (We now scale to Low-Complex Multiversal) (This is coming from a power scaler by the way)
Don’t forget my favorite. Character A is actually Buttfuck dimensional because they beat a guy who was buttfuck dimensional. Sure, he had help, was attacking a weak spot that was anchoring Character B to the 3rd dimension, and had an insane power boost after using the magic macguffin to power up with additional strength from an actual god, but context doesn’t matter if it makes me lose my argument.
Honestly, attempting to apply real life physics to fictional characters and settings clearly operating under different rules always struck me as inherently erroneous.
Power "scaling" brought a nuclear fallout to the UNDERTALE fandom during recent years, and while fanfiction can be considered "just a fanfic" in most cases, there are actual fanworks that do a decent job at establishing their ideas or creating an interactive experience for the fanbase... it's almost like a county fair if you ask me. But then here come these power-hungry kids yapping about "ERROR404" and "ERROR IN UNDERVERSE IS MULTIVERSAL CAUSE THE PAPERS ARE ACTUAL AUs"! If shipping and shitty people trying to hide their malicious intentions didn't already damage the state of UT fanworks and the perception of the fanbase, Power-glazing came in to complete an unholy trinity... so glad someone was able to make a comprehensive video on the many mistakes of power glazers and what they get wrong about feats.
The concept itself isn't cringe, in fact it can be quite interesting to discuss sometimes. The problem is the fan base is comprised of some of the nerdiest and most cringy debaters on the internet. There are so many people who know nothing about power scaling that participate in it solely so they can say their favorite character wins against x y or z. The idiocy of the community is just the overall most insufferable part.
Bonus Tip: If you do this on a forum/social media site you can just leave the thread or mute it (but make sure to announce you're muting it, that's important) and move on.
This ain't rocket science, you check each characters feats first, then you use powerscaling within the show as secondary evidence, character statements as third and finally authors word, no need to complicate this any further, you can get an accurate assessment of how strong a character is roughly just by that, no need for calcs
True, but I feel like calcs are lowkey necessary for some battles when it's not as clear. Like seeing the difference in speed between like Luffy or Naruto (Don't know if these are completely accurate), both have dodged light beams at some point, so that's when one brings in calcs to see the true speed or something.
@@olamasama9243 But light speed in One Piece isn't really light speed, we know for a fact or Kizaru would be the strongest by far, also Luffy and Zoro got outran by a guy running at 200km/h in Wano(said in the manga itself, no calcs necessary), they also always use some animal or vehicle to travel during arcs, if they were that fast, they wouldn't need anything to cover great distances
@@naturalstrength8393 Yea there are some inconsistencies for sure that's why calcs can be a bit ode at time. But for versus battles or something, people are bound to use the best "feats" even if they don't make too much sense
@@olamasama9243 Luffy's best feat is bajrang gun which puts him at around country level, while Naruto's best feats are in the fight against Toneri, a guy who cut the moon in half(I'm not counting boruto stuff because he's nerfed even with a new form and kishimoto didn't write that)
What are y'all thoughts on power scaling? Comment down below
its fun to debate stuff with people but a lot of people are either stupid misinformed or biased especaily biased and this sucks the fun out of the whole activity
When I'm biased I'm just joking and I hate it cuz it always gets complicated and I swear to god if I see another person bring up One Punch Man I'm gonna One Punch Them
@@Onwritten I like opm lol
Giorno negs every verse in fiction
@@Onwrittenong these opm fans are actually insufferable
You forgot the most important rule, never ever admitting you are wrong, no matter the logical evidence your opponent uses.
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@@bacongod5759great example👌
Literally every saitama fanboy, when they are given an essay on why base goku negs saitama
I remember when some Itachi fans made up a fake Kishimoto interview that stated “Itachi could easily defeat Madara”. Because they just couldn’t accept the fact that Itachi would have gotten violated by Madara in a fight.
Even Itachi tells sasuke madara is stronger then he is hell obito was stronger than itachi.
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Itachi und my opinion is the most overrated and most underrated character in Naruto it’s either he top 2 or he’s trash so I made an analysis and he would definetly beat most of the characters that crossed his way he is probably the best genjutsu user we have seen (because he is the only one that showed strong ones and a wide variety) and has an insane battle iq at the point where he fought sasuke he wouldve beaten him and naruto high diff and his edo form is one of the strongest edos in the whole verse BUT he absolutely lacks combat skill and endurance so madara hashirama war arc sasuke and war arc naruto would beat him no diff so yeah after my analysis I would put him top 10 probably
Madara has no answer to Totsuka sword, aside from that he wins 9 times out of 10
@CihanDrwr bro he has the sharigan sacrifice thing to make thought reality, so he make skibidi toilet empire 🤑🤑🤑
The thing I hate most about power scaling is that I swear they have no idea how concepts work
You are a mages dream and a rangers worst nightmare
@ratpee-gt2eh Nah, he'd lose
@lunaticcultist3764 you are so hard to kill this is from a ranger without fishron bow
I saw a vs short the other day,
Gojo vs All for One
Mf claims AfO could steal Gojo's ,,quirk" and dodges any question regarding infinity
No one can beat Gojo without CE, even Toji almost killed him ONLY because he had a special weapon that bypassed cursed techniques
I think by "concepts" they mean platonic concepts but that's also pretty wonky and is majorly taken out of context half the time
I genuinely despise it when characters dodging glowing beams is considered to be them dodging light despite the fact that the beams have visible travel time and are probably more akin to plasma or energy blasts.
That SINGLE interpretation has created massive holes in the power-scaling space tbh.
Nah man, glowy beam means light which means FTL
Tell that to the writers. They constantly use light based attacks.
@@johnark4723 Some do, like in One Piece, there's no denying it. But what the hell is happening in MHA?? There's no way a majority of those characters scale to FTL, that doesn't make any sense in the context of the setting.
@@generallyupsetfetus There's a character whos quirk is constantly described as a laser and light, and is able to be reflected. Yet people have constantly dodged his attacks. MHA scaling is wacky and inconsistent.
Well, while i agree with your point that many characters get unfairly rated as FTL i have to say that "visible travel time" doesn't matter, high speed fights never actually happen in high speeds otherwise, we, as the viewers wouldn't be able to see it (news flash) so it's only logical that you disregard the travel time of an attack based on "our perception is slowed down" i mean, flash is basically the very personification of speed but we can still see him fighting reverse flash and other speedsters that go well past the speed of light
People don't get reactions speed is different from movement speed 💀
Sonic(game) gets both of that and he solos dbs in base
@@sonicwithglasses131 game sonic might not but comic sonic solos DBZ/DBS I'm sure of that
Base sonic (game) probably doesn't solo dbs but super sonic claps
@@Here_it_is_bro not a single character in sonic touches any high teir in dbs
@@perfection20 have you read the comics of sonic
"A human can beat a tiger. That means that the human soloes a lion, since the tiger is stronger than the lion."
Unironically tho yeah. Humans solo the food chain. Fuck, we're currently soloing nature and the planet itself rn.
@@aprofessionalgamer5355nah humans definitely lose with mid diff. however a human with prep time solos the universe
@@themagalanium9491 Climate change negs humans easily, solar flare negs, the universe stomps humans bro what do you mean by solo the universe?
Humans can't even survive a couple of earthquakes and a common cold much less anything unknown in the cosmos
@@aprofessionalgamer5355That's only because you guys can make tools, throw your strongest human male into the woods and he wouldn't last a second
Tiger STOMPS
I believe Danny Phantom can neg Goku because I haven't seen Goku beat a ghost
@@LeeBrown-pz7tc Beerus is built different
W logic
Goku just wouldnt be able to see the grade 3 cursed spirit, and would lose eventually after dying in 3 million years to old age
Ok
I mean... Unironically... Yeah? Have DBZ characters ever encountered intangibility before? Don't count the Hakai thing.
You forgot the rule where if you don't want a character to be considered planetary, all planetary destruction statements are actually hyperbole despite there being Multiple pieces of evidence proving otherwise
How did I forget about that? When Vegeta threatened to blow up Earth, he was just exagerrating, so DBZ was only planetary when Namek started
@@olamasama9243 but if you want scale what you want. ive heard dbz fans say goku is multiversal+ even though dbz only has 12 universes and multiversal means able to destroy infinite universes or smth. oh and yeah dbz is planetary and when rimuru destroyed 9,000-90,000 universes in his sleep it was something like idk 9 atoms
@@kmig42 destroying 90,000 universes?? That's just straight up wanking on author's part
@user-ty8pr3gf4v I heard the universe has like multiple inf size realm so I kinda get it
@@olamasama9243 I'm going to say one thing and if you start a debate I'll crash-out on the kids at the ice cream truck. Bardock (who had a power lvl of 10k) destroyed planets and so did king vegeta (who had a power level of 10k-18k) so when goku did kaioken for the first time (which gives you a 2x multiplier) which would've made goku planetary for only a short period of time
I swear if I hear another argument of a random character being "massively hypersonic" or being "galaxy level" because the most random action, I am going to lose it.
- How many characters in your fandom are FTL, yet it takes days to travel across the country for them?
- Yes.
@@Romashka_Sov that's because speed is categorized into reaction, travel and combat speed.
As an example
usain bolt can run at about 36km/h and the fastest punch is recorded at like 72km/h, so we can see here that the speed at which a human can travel is not the same at which they can perform a certain action (ie: punching)
this isn't so much a problem with power scaling, but more so the people who do it not understanding their own concepts.
@@UniversalS757bruh how do characters dodge lazers but still get hit in fights
@@Rodanguyyhonestly I think the the creators just made their characters dodge lazers because it looks cool without actually considering how fast real lazer are.
Storm trooper blaster fights would end so much quicker if the lazer projectiles were as fast as actual light.
No Jedi human or ailen could possibly react and deflect a real light speed lazer.
Thats why they slow down the lazers in the star wars shows and films to allow the viewers to understand whats going on and to allow jedi to react to the incoming lazers.
light yagami is galaxy level because he can technically defeat goku in the right situation.
As a power scaler my self, i have to say this video was completely accurate. But you forgot those UA-cam videos that put a character against someone who's obviously weaker then they title the video "A vs B isn't close"
*Cough*Tylearned *cough*
What’s wrong with that
@@ReidnReactn nothing is wrong with it it's just really repetitive. (Not really original is what I'm trying to say)
Yuji vs Luffy isn't close, and you know which way I'm leaning
@@olamasama9243 Luffy slams badly
@@olamasama9243 natsu victims
You forgot the part where Batman dodged the Omega Beam so hes faster than alternate dimensions
Proof that Batman with prep time solos
I'M A GOS NOW.
The day power scaling died for me was when I started realizing the authors usually didn't realize what feats they were setting while just following the common tropes of comics. A character can get dropped by a gun but can also get tossed through a concrete and just hop right up to their feet. _right_ . A character is blasted by a tank or missile and it gives them a nose bleed but they get tossed through a support column like it's a wwe folding table. _groan_ .The human body is light as phuk and the kind force required to send one clean through a concrete building instead of bouncing off like a racket ball is soooo much more than people imagine.
all these othere comments werent scratching the itch i had BUT THIS ONE YES THIS IS THE ONE
Yea, there are a lot of problems with the power scaling community
1. The amount of power scalers who don't actually understand the differences between AP/DC
2. The amount of power scalers who don't understand speed categories
3. The amount of times feats are taken out of context.
4. The amount of people who don't understand when hax can and can't be outscaled
5. The amount of people who don't understand verse equalization.
6. The amount of meatriders who exist solely to push an agenda.
7. The amount of people who don't understand scaling or the tiering system entirely, this is like saying you're a mathematician but not understanding arithmetic operations.
8. The amount of people who don't understand what cosmology entails.
9. The amount of people who don't consider the implication of hax because they just assume that having a higher AP/DC means they automatically win.
10. The amount of people who get butthurt over VS Battle. I agree, too many people conflate quality of writing with power, whether your favourite character gets stomped by another shouldn't impact your enjoyment or love for the series.
11. The amount of people who don't understand what dimension > hax really should really mean.
12. The amount of people who apply the logic of the verse they are representing to another but not the other way around and assuming that it must be true for all pieces of fiction (cough* dragonball strength > hax cough*)
13. The amount of people who don't consider how a character actually acts.
14. The amount of people who don't understand keys and standard equipment.
15. The amount of people who think metafictional transcendence is real or that omnipotence can exist in fiction.
I also personally disagree with using calcs from pixel measurements, since authors don't typically care about that.
There is also a few problems with the tiering system itself, but that's an entirely different ordeal.
All true.
I need to know wtf is cosmology
I believe the Best way to Power scale 2 Characters is this Method of Deduction:
1. Understand how Both characters universes work
2. Understand the Mindset of the Character
3. Deeply Analysis the Characters Abilities, Feats, and Defeats by weighing in the Proper Logic, Circumstance, & Context to the Situation at Hand
4. Go into the Background plights of the Powersets, Weaknesses, and Mechanics to the Point where you can Proper convert it to any Verse
5. Set up the Battle Properly in a Stable Context (If the 2 Characters know each, if they don’t, or if they Hate each other) and set the Ground Realistically, Not Equal for you are trying to understand a Realistic Battle through Verisimilitude Not equalizing Bonehead Logic
6. Commence the Battle into Effect and have those 2 Combatants properly against each other to see the Outcome with all the Proper information and if you have to pull Headcanon or stuff you haven’t seen or implied in the Base Source than have it make sense for the Character or Universe
7. Profit, Battle is Won and everyone comes away understanding the Full Power of Both combatants and are less Ignorant about power scaling and Fights
I whole-heartedly agree with this, but the sad truth is that no one will actually go through with it because it's too much work for the common sheep brain. It's much easier to do the same toxic nonsense people have been doing for years and call it a day.
Number 1 works in conjunction with “verse equalization” fights too because in my opinion for that to work both verses power/energy system should work at least a bit similar but there are some that doesn’t for example chakra and haki are two completely different things and if you try to equalize both you’re ignoring some properties and things about the both of those
@@lebrondavis1420 I understand that, but I’m saying as I said before
That really isn’t possible, some Universes are Weak, Others are Realistic, and Alot are Overpowered
When you compare both universes with the 2 Fighting Characters, It overall sets a Base Standard for the Characters in the Battle as a Virisimilitude, Like a “Real Life” standard
Say, Normal People can bench 150 Ib, but Normal People in Naruto can bench 350 Ib, Clearly the Naruto Universe is Superior
Then have each Characters Universe center their Strength Properly and then put them in a Neutral Environment for the Most Accurate Battle Statistics and Results
Nah, I'd BS it
Im only familiar with the one piece power scaling community but it's hard to belive for me that there are any worse that that. People argue the most insane stuff and Shanks is the strongest in the verse for tons of people.
The Shanks being strongest in the verse is lowkey wild to me. But I guess if you're only looking at how he's been portrayed I guess I could understand it. But he be winning every UA-cam poll, like they think he can 3 v 1 admirals.
Powerscaling is stupid because there's aways gonna be a fanboy trying to defend their favorite characther
All Ice cream taste bad because I ate only vanilla ice cream and didn't like it there for all other types of ice cream taste like shit.
That’s not nearly covering all the reasons
No seriously, even power scalers that I have respect for do that very dumb speed scaling method of being ftl.
Yea I've seen that too, it's incredibly flawed logic
@@olamasama9243 i mean if a dude dodges an attack at point blank that is stated to be light speed you can ony assume them to be at least light speed in combat and reaction timing. like kcm1 naruto became light speed after clearly blitzing the 4th raikage who is stated by the databooks to be light speed`
@@TheGamingShogunThe problem is that when a character is calculated as being 20 times faster than the speed of light and they still struggle to outrun a fast car or when they take like 30 minutes to get from New York to Chicago.
Ironman in the comics is calculated as having older suits that are FTL, but in his most advanced suit he took like 20 minutes to get from Ney York to Chicago in a newer comic.
@@vanjagalovic3621 it's just an issue with inconsistencies in certain shows that's just bound to happen. Because on all reality going faster than light is impossible as nothing would be able to keep up including the light that makes you see so it's all inconsistencies as why I don't question it
@@vanjagalovic3621 if it's stated by the author it's fact simple
“Who will win in a fight is who the writer wants to win”-Comic Jesus
Wish people would actually learn from him for once.
W Stan Lee
The problem with this quote is that it doesn't really mean anything in a power scaling context.
Honestly, I don't want to do anime debate because I don't feel confident. People might call me dumb or stupid just for that.
Yep, these two brain cells users cannot possibly stay in the debates. As soon as you make a point, they start insulting your whole bloodline. Lord forbids you show weakness.
The thing I hate the most about power scalers is that they think that just because someone is stronger than the other than they are written better than the other characters like bruh , that’s why they get sooo defensive because if you say that a character is stronger than their fav character it like if you said that character is overall better than their fav character. It makes me want to commit die
yeh true lol
It would be better if people focused less on who has more stats and actually put them in interesting scenarios based on those stats. For example, if a character has high iq/biq over a character who beats them in most other stats, then why not have the smarter guy actually use said intelligence? Or, if something has extreme potential why not use said potential? Ofc it depends on how high other stats are, because I doubt anyone can beat a being with irrelevant speed regardless of how smart they are
Nah, that makes too much sense, gotta keep it a bit brain dead
Yeah, but actually _writing_ things like high or super-intelligence takes effort, and effort is icky and not particularly safe or profitable! (Do not want!)
Gotta love how death battle tells you some characters are beyond light speed with the clip of said character getting shot in the knees right next to me
The "canon" argument is a legitimate concern. There is even an anime in which this issue is a major plot point. It's called Re:Creators, a show where fictional characters enter the real world and start fighting each other. It turns out that their powers are derived from audience acceptance. Thus, if a writer makes a Twitter post saying a manga character has a new power, and the fans accept it, then the real version of the character also gains that ability. The problem is, the main antagonist is basically an internet meme, and everyone online keeps giving her virtually unlimited powers. What this has to do with power scaling is that if a character is really popular, such as Goku or Superman, then writers will just endlessly churn out new content for them to star in, and since new content has to raise the stakes to keep fans interested, they always get more powerful. Why this is a problem is that fans will always argue that there is a version of their favourite character who wins almost every fight. Canon is about reeling that in. Otherwise you can always find some borderline facfic tier version of a character and say "that's the strongest licensed version of the character so that character wins every fight." And yes, people do do this.
*cough* zeno goku *cough*
Though it’s stupid, I feel like you could easily say, when comparing characters from 2 different universes, is “well character A’s earth is 5x as dense as earth so that’s why he isn’t destroying it, so character A was on character B’s earth he would show the same results as character B.”
I have seen something like this before, if i recall correctly, it was about tower of god, basically, the guy was saying tha TOG's world was much more durable than a regular world so a character who was capable of destroying a city on TOG is basically a planet buster on a regular worlds
@@STarredNIght Nice to know my opinion isn’t completely unthought about
I think you're talking about Attack Potency and not Destructive Capacity
This is a argument used in one piece, the one piece earth is several times or closer to 100x our earth size, this is why traveling takes so long, there are so many islands, why it’s 70% water, etc. so small feats in one piece would be scaled massively up In other verses, so if for example kaido destroyed a continent, in other verses like MHA it would be many times that
@@jamir4president319 "so long"
iirc it took Strawhats crew ~3 months to travel from East Blue when Luffy met Zoro to the Marineford, and this includes all those stops and adventures they had on the way. And in some cases people are able to travel half of the Grand Lime in weeks, as it was shown by other characters. In late chapters they all travel back and forth, like it took a few days for [HUGE MANGA ONLY SPOILER] to reach Egg Head Island.
It is estimated One Piece planet is about the size of our Earth, and if my memory is right, Oda said it's slightly larger
Literally how I feel whenever six, swagkage, or any other vs kid comes up on my feed
I thought swagkage only does inverse?
You forgot to mention that if the other person makes a speling mistace, then they automatically lose the argument, even if they argued that Goku could win against Tanjiro.
I never like Power Scaling discussions.
It is a sorry excuse for inviduals to start some Flame War with each ithers. And a sorry excuse to share their knowledge about something. And they also very bias when it come about Scaling their favorite Characters.
For example, people assume that Godzilla is the strongest fictional character just because Godzilla defeated Superman. Even though the story was written by a Godzilla fan who doesn't know much about Superman.
Superman was holding back much of the tome, and Godzilla was cheap-shoting Superman. So the problem with Power Scaling is the bias of some people who thinks their favorite character is stronger that yours. Stan Lee said best when he debunked The VS Community.
Yet some folks in the Power Scaling Community expect us don't to believe someone who is bigger and more influential like Stan Lee. But they expect us to believe them and no Stan Lee who hold more power than them.
You can spotter their biases. -_-;
This genuinely gave me the best laugh I had for years. I used to be a powerscaler in discord and can confirm, powerscalers could win a nobel prize if they inputted 1% the effort they do in powerscalling in something USEFUL
Imo there is no one in fiction that can actually solo fiction
i am that i am:allow me to introduce myself
True no one character solo fiction
@@INVALID_DATA Essential Divinity can give a run for his money
Yeah people can choose who they thinks wins there just fiction characters
It doesn't matter who you think win or lose just don't be toxic about it
@@INVALID_DATAany meme character solos that dude
It's hard to argue to an ignorant powerscaler, they will insist they were right no matter how many evidence or feats you present them
So all power scalers?
@@baconboi4482 some are cool who just like talking about the character.
Powerscalers trying to not glaze their fav character: impossible
Power scalers using maths (cope) and physics (overanalysis) to make fking fictional characters
As a power scaler myself, it's horrendous.
Most of the time, you either met someone who says a character is a million times stronger than what they have ever shown just because they saw it in a UA-cam video, and then there are those who know Shit about the terminology and think everything is outerversal, and the people who debate properly, normally are only good with 7 or 8 frictional works and don't debate about anything else.
And the people who do calcs, specifically for strength get debunked months or years later, and to get an idea the difference between 2 calcs of the same thing is normally of dozens of thousands to even billions.
Speed is normally better since the formula is way more simple, but there are people that make absurd time frames up to get absurd results.
Overall i wouldn't recommend it.
Fairy tail fans
Yep this is very accurate I've seen someone argue a fight by saying goku can use hakai so yea (I'm gon be honest db fans be going crazy with this)
he can, but just a lower scale version of it
he can do it in the mange but he's not that good
@@ZAPRST8879 no ik but he was saying like it's 100% gauranteed he uses it and is just beats everyone
@@ZAPRST8879 that's why i said on a lower scale
@@Sleeplessmonkehe literally uses it first time during fighting while he is ssb, now he mui in manga, and the mention of hakai is all over the manga because vegeta is trying to master it, why the hell wouldnt goku use it if he know its best for that situation, when powerscaling we try to put the steongest out of both sides, we cant count for situations. Goku would be heavly nerfed if we include his dumb behavior of letting his guard down, or not observing his enemy to get info about what his power might be. Goku is faster than light but if there exists a character where it had slow power with the speed of sound but on the other hand can erase someone's soul, goku would have likely not dodged it or even went to it himself and touched it. You never know the limit of how dumb goku can be
90% of characters lose to a gun
Nah man this shit was hilarious, i did not go 10 seconds without burstin out laughing. Everything you said was so accurate
I fw you heavy keep going ❤❤
Thanks bro
Power scaling, especially in Dragon Ball, is stupid and useless. They literally have the ability to surpress and hide their power, and can raise it instantly so no one ever knows how powerful someone truly is. Like Ginyu said to Jeice "The reason he made you look like a pack of losers is that you relied on your scouters"
And in dragon ball super characters get thousands of times stronger in mere minutes. Just because they “adapted” to match their opponent’s strength.
what about one piece?
Time to nerd out errrm there’s different types of speed such as reaction speed and combat speed.
Nah gang, once you dodge an attack, you are faster than the attack. Common sense really. I already proved that Batman is on par with the flash in speed. (Sarcasm in case you couldn't tell)
I seen a lot of people be acting like this with characters like the Slime boy from "Reincarnated as a slim".
(No not saying the whole phrase you guess it out at this point.)
Making dumb shit like he has counters to literally everything, despite one of his biggest weakness the series demonstrates this many times that when he's out of energy, he is vulnerable and easily can be able to be wiped out afterwards. But I guess we gloss over things established? Smh
Did you read the ln?
Slime boy very op ngl, idk how ridiculous they get tho
It's light novel rimuru, he op, but the anime one not to much.
I am very thankful that you brought up the last point. So many people seem to think a verse being stronger somehow makes it better, which is why they go to such stupid lengths to try and "prove it". I believe that that core belief peoppe have is what sparks most the toxicity in this community. Well, that and a desire to feel superior to others
Also, a tip. If you value your sanity never look at the comments on a power scaling video, especially if it's a short. That shit's so bad it'll make your IQ low enough to rival a shounen protagonist
I'm insane, so I prefer looking at the poll results of random One Piece polls.
I woke up before the sun light got in my room so im ftl+ and if im ftl+ im sun level+ which is planetary and gojo isn't planetary so i'm actually stronger than jjk verse
Yuji clearly can destroy earth, he divergent punch the earth and disable the core, all fax fr fr🤓
Power scaling is a shit its in the authors hand who will win
You dont understand power scaling when you say this shit
@@sonicwithglasses131Fr
instant like and sup. been a while since ive seen a youtuber who could use "words" so entertainly. Your youtube channel is easly boundless level
I remember when boruto fans had figured about shibai and said he knew everything and is omnipotent with having litttle to know evidence then every fanbase just bullied the boruto fans for like months straight it’s was hilarious to see(shibai is a Boros victim)
They are scaling lmao, obviously shibai scales higher than everyone in the verse lol
@@sonicwithglasses131 yeah in. That verse but there are barely any evidence proof or claims he is that strong I’ve heard shibai is multiversal becuase he ascended his actual body and they say it’s outomaticlly 5D and most arguements are shit they always say
He has no real body nobody can touch him-🤓
Man i hate these power scaler goons
One time i was in a dragon ball rp right? I was ssj4 goku and a guy was using ssjbkk againts to to rp as soon as i said "your punches merely tickle" some dude came into the rp uninvited and just started yapping bout "uhm actually ssjbkk is stronger than ssj4 🤓"
Power scaling was fine until people started valuing it over actual stories and character writing of series's that just so happened to have strong characters in them like Dragon Ball
The thing is, If a guy tries to scale his favorite character to someone else, for example Goku Vs Saitama, depending on whos your favorite you're gonna say hes gonna win without any research, but personally i love both equally and think ssj3 goku or ssj2 is very enough for full power saitama
Wang ling fanboy would need to watch this video
Let’s say goku AND luffy fight ghost rider. Ghost rider no diffs both. Ghost rider beat *SATAN* AND HAS FIRE THAT *BURNS THE SOUL*
The peak of disgusting power scaling is the Team Gojo vs Team Kakashi debate. I've literally seen people claim that Team Gojo would win because Nobara beats Sakura, Yuji beats Naruto since Sukuna would come out, and that Megumi and Gojo would beat Sasuke and Kakashi since they have limitless and Mahoraga. In reality Sakura speed blitzes team Gojo and kills them all other than Gojo himself who dies to DMS Kakashi or Sasuke who can both use space ninjutus.
The hax is so true if aizen win because of hax one more time i throw my tv out the window and if i hear xeno Goku solos fiction one more time
1:44 as someone apart of the community, I relate to this, I got into a debate where we questioned if deku dodged the radio waves, since I couldn't find any evidence of him doing so
Personally unless the author states the charecters speed or another characters speed it’s hard to scale that characters speed with out taking estimations. So in my opinion reaction speed and movement speed have to be slightly relative because you can’t dodge a bullet at the speed of a turtle even if you can react to it
Bro said plus plus plus 😂. Nah dis shi hilarious but one thing people don’t understand tho is that it’s the people who use power scaling that can make it a problem but every series has power scaling. Not calcs they’re different.
Power scaling necessary for the author to scale opponents against the other. So yea ya last point was perfect 💯
The authors do need power scaling for sure
I mostly been a standby and sometimes do a debate just for fun on DB power scaling and ngl, some people barely know hot to read -like is it manga or anime? Does filler count? Witch version of goku? What about consistency -they just say nu uh and say goku is outher.... 💀
And btw people NEED to to seriously take into account that power scaling fiction is NOT (most of the time) accurately to reality, if it was then goku would have infinite energy 🤦♂️ (yes, its been debunked)
Lmao I power scale myself and I can definitely tell you the biggest debates I've been in is Saitama Vs Goku (Goku wins btw), Naruto Vs Luffy (Naruto wins rather easily too), Deku vs Asta (Asta one shots), And Ichigo or Aizen vs JJK or the Big 3
I'm not going to lie, I'm telling you that you're not wrong, but it's not like you can do anything with those people, but to be honest, among the evils of humanity, powerscaling is not an evil that should be compared, it is so small, so irrelevantly small, ephemeral, that its importance is 0 in comparison
Yea, I feel like it's something that will always exist.
@@olamasama9243 pretty much
beleave it or not about the narration not being true actualy works for jjk cause in one point itadori dodge percing blood(supersonic) acordding to the narrator than gets speed blitzed with choso by subsonic speeds multiple times and itadori was stronger
Everything said in this video is fact for example Nothing pisses me off more than when people say Sakura is the strongest female character in Naruto because she punched kaguya let's all ignore the fact that it was a sneak attack and kaguya saw her as nothing but an insignificant bug
I once had an argument about if Kefla could beat Vegito. My opponent got so many things wrong
I swear sometimes power scaling to me comes off as glazing a character
The problem is powerscaling especially in an argument where 'who wins over who' it's hard to come to a conclusion sometimes even in a same verse but it becomes ridiculous when compared characters from different verses and after seeing how much the authors themselves destroy the power system they themselves have created whenever they feel like it with no logical explanation i sometimes do feel they are unreliable...... don't get me wrong they are pretty much the gods of their manga/anime but i feel it's disrespectful to his/her own works and the audience and is lazy writing when he/she straight out ignore the system thet made us get hooked up to the series
Gege and isayama are one of the few who stay true to their own power system
Doesn’t matter what you say people keeping saying goku solos
Power scaling ❌how to win an argument ✔
As a power scaler myself, I think that power scaling is really fun. It's fun to look at fictional characters and be amazed with how powerful they are, what they scale to, and their abilities. It's also really fun to put them in battles and figure out who wins.
But it's just the endless toxicity of fanbases with the endless arguments, wanks, sometimes downplaying, and name calling that ruins it. Especially with fanbases such as Sonic the Hedgehog, Dragon Ball, Mortal Kombat, Persona, and sometimes Marvel and DC.
I quit power scaling after I lost a few of my brain cells talking with the goku, Saitama, Gojo, and some fanbase. Now I debate at football because I'm so annoyed at the Messi and Cr7 fan's lmao
2:49 basically what AP is to people
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who watches the abridged version of something before the original
That’s weird ngl
@@zaveionchambers3809it is for more accurate power scaling.
Dont forgot you also gotta bring up the fact that the author themselves said one character beats another 💯
I remember their was these two kids at my school and they said gojo beats superman
Which version of superman was he talking about?
@@CHAOS_FR600gojo aint beating ANY superman
@@sonicwithglasses131 yea but they kept on saying how gojo infinity would stop superman so he couldn't hit him
Any DC comic book character always has insane feats
@@olamasama9243 they just said homelander and omni man could beat superman
How he messing with gear 4 snake man
I one time wrote 3 paragraphs of narutos feats compared too luffys feats in a comment section, took me an hour too write. I still believe naruto extreme difs with baryon mode (without a limit the fight said luffy g5 vs baryon naruto with no limit) EDIT: i found out he deleted the video lmao
TWINNNN UPLOADED BRO IM BATTLING COPYRIGHT CLAIMS 😭 You GOT DISCORD
I barely use discord, but what videos you battling copyright claims on? Longform videos?
@@olamasama9243 Yeah I had a Toji vid and they copyrighted that shiii
this is the best rundown of modern powerscalng I have ever seen
The real rule of debating (i learned this in law classes) reason. If you use the slightest of reason then you will always win
How is beating a logiya with out haki
As someone who does not care who wins and just enjoys the discussion, I hate the amount of people that don't even understand fundamentals of research and debate
Not everyone reads DBZ because it is very long and they prefer DBZ KAI because it is shorter but they miss out on impressive details.
This guy literally exposed every single power scaler also here's an amazing trick to make ur fav character win everytime just dox them and send them death threaths
I'm a power scaler and I hate it and everything about it. That being said, it annoys me when non scalers complain about scaling because they don't know the true pain of power scaling 💀
Edit: I could make an argument for Yuji soloing one piece 💀
Oh Hell nah
Yuji aint touching one piece lmao, yuji is garbage, and he cant win without jumping
@@sonicwithglasses131 He's planetary, one piece has no planetary characters.
@@elijahedwards5360I mean it has been stated that white beard could destroy the earth but feats>statements unless it’s the author actually says that
@@TrumpTrvmp the statement wasn't even about the planet, in the original language it says society
Arguments between 1 million years training a featless character and god fusion goku a featless character is crazy how people think no limiters means infinity stats nooo bro it just means infinity potential for growth
I was having a conversation w my friend abt black being goated and some random dude said “goku solos” and????
Katakuri had multiple arms and luffy beat him
Really interesting video! The only thing that puts me off is your outro with a techno bit remix which is a form of disrespect to the original theme!
i love this man even though as a power scaler myself imma need my ones
" Yeaaah gojo is planetary because the manga said sukuna can deshtroy the world as we know it and gojo is relative to him in power "
Gojo's 200% purple only destroying city blocks :
Sukuna's virtical world cutting slash NOT cutting the world in 2 :
im just saying you could argue naruto being solar system level based on how you interpret kaguya's dimension destroying feat and how big you think it was
3:28 i NEED to know where you found this 😭🙏
Look up Kruos vs Hapi debate on youtube 😭
@@olamasama9243 thank you 😂👌🏾
powerscaling rule 1 - don't use logic👍
Powerscalers when I run away from the light of the sun slowly creeping up towards me: He is clearly FTL+ and can speed blitz Gojo with equalized cosmology.
Bonus: Powerscalers after realizing we view fiction as fiction (We now scale to Low-Complex Multiversal)
(This is coming from a power scaler by the way)
Straight factual statements
Don’t forget my favorite. Character A is actually Buttfuck dimensional because they beat a guy who was buttfuck dimensional. Sure, he had help, was attacking a weak spot that was anchoring Character B to the 3rd dimension, and had an insane power boost after using the magic macguffin to power up with additional strength from an actual god, but context doesn’t matter if it makes me lose my argument.
Honestly, attempting to apply real life physics to fictional characters and settings clearly operating under different rules always struck me as inherently erroneous.
Power "scaling" brought a nuclear fallout to the UNDERTALE fandom during recent years, and while fanfiction can be considered "just a fanfic" in most cases, there are actual fanworks that do a decent job at establishing their ideas or creating an interactive experience for the fanbase... it's almost like a county fair if you ask me.
But then here come these power-hungry kids yapping about "ERROR404" and "ERROR IN UNDERVERSE IS MULTIVERSAL CAUSE THE PAPERS ARE ACTUAL AUs"!
If shipping and shitty people trying to hide their malicious intentions didn't already damage the state of UT fanworks and the perception of the fanbase, Power-glazing came in to complete an unholy trinity... so glad someone was able to make a comprehensive video on the many mistakes of power glazers and what they get wrong about feats.
I like power scaling but when it’s get extremely biased I can’t I get mad so know I get to be stupid with that person because now I’m biased
The concept itself isn't cringe, in fact it can be quite interesting to discuss sometimes. The problem is the fan base is comprised of some of the nerdiest and most cringy debaters on the internet. There are so many people who know nothing about power scaling that participate in it solely so they can say their favorite character wins against x y or z. The idiocy of the community is just the overall most insufferable part.
Bonus Tip: If you do this on a forum/social media site you can just leave the thread or mute it (but make sure to announce you're muting it, that's important) and move on.
This ain't rocket science, you check each characters feats first, then you use powerscaling within the show as secondary evidence, character statements as third and finally authors word, no need to complicate this any further, you can get an accurate assessment of how strong a character is roughly just by that, no need for calcs
True, but I feel like calcs are lowkey necessary for some battles when it's not as clear. Like seeing the difference in speed between like Luffy or Naruto (Don't know if these are completely accurate), both have dodged light beams at some point, so that's when one brings in calcs to see the true speed or something.
@@olamasama9243 But light speed in One Piece isn't really light speed, we know for a fact or Kizaru would be the strongest by far, also Luffy and Zoro got outran by a guy running at 200km/h in Wano(said in the manga itself, no calcs necessary), they also always use some animal or vehicle to travel during arcs, if they were that fast, they wouldn't need anything to cover great distances
@@naturalstrength8393 Yea there are some inconsistencies for sure that's why calcs can be a bit ode at time. But for versus battles or something, people are bound to use the best "feats" even if they don't make too much sense
@@olamasama9243 Luffy's best feat is bajrang gun which puts him at around country level, while Naruto's best feats are in the fight against Toneri, a guy who cut the moon in half(I'm not counting boruto stuff because he's nerfed even with a new form and kishimoto didn't write that)
@@naturalstrength8393but the problem is the size of moon and country in every fiction could be diffrent.