Update! As of 11/8/2023 Fandom has changed their policy regarding forking. You can no longer link to the new wiki site from the main page for two weeks like I described in the video. Once you fork, all admins are removed and no links to the new site are allowed anywhere but the forking discussion page. Seems Fandom has started to respond to the recent exodus from their website. Let's see if they make any changes to their platform that actually make it better. Also, please consider installing the Indie Wiki Buddy extension! It not only helps the Hollow Knight wiki community, but all the other wikis mentioned throughout this video! getindie.wiki/
Browsing the internet without an adblocker is like going to an extremely densely populated area when a pandemic is going on if you go on even a slightly wrong site,you get swarmed with 20 popups 5763 ads,and a "few" sites popping up as new tabs (okay no thats just an exxagerated joke but not using an adblocker can potentially let you get some malware quite easily)
I dread whenever a site only has a fandom wiki for game tips since if you look that shit on mobile, it's practically unusable. Mobile Fandom is a nightmare to navigate.
@@ninjanate5018No joke, the number of times my browser has crashed because of one to three tabs open on Fandom is higher than everything else, even having a dozen or more UA-cam tabs open (which I have done throughout time way more, and have loads of extensions for).
They literally have code that waits for the ten thousand ads to load them force the user back to the start to make sure they sure they view every single one.
To be fair it was like the best troll ever ngl. I did this trick once on a server I own on April fools. It was very funny. Don't worry I got reverted after April fools
What is Fandom supposed to do? McDonalds owns McDonalds. It's their legal copyright. People should not be getting mad at Fandom they should be getting mad at Mcdonalds. Fandom has no choice in the matter at all. They either can comply or McDonalds just can take down the page by force.
Not only is Fandom loaded with ads, but it is also unfriendly to old computers as well. Back in 2022 I did not have much money, and I was using a Dell Inspiron Mini 10V netbook as my main laptop. One day I was with my friends and tried to load a wiki that was hosted on Fandom. The netbook got really bogged down by all the ads and the video playing following me as I scrolled. The site ended up overloading the netbook to the point of the system fatally crashing. After that the netbook did not boot up, and I had to completely re-install the OS when I got home. The hard drive in the netbook failed soon after. Hated Fandom ever since that happened. RIP the Inspiron mini 10V's original hard drive 2009-2022. You will be avenged.
As one of the admins on the Minecraft Wiki, I am so glad that we took the initiative and moved when we did. Today Fandom changed their "policy" to disallow basically any type of global announcement on the wiki itself, only allowing a notice on the main page that's entirely up to their terms.
@@Slop_Dogg can one deliberately vandalize the fandom pages to avoid readers going into the wrong wiki? seems weird if you can't vandalize your *own* pages...
@@GimOA That always been the case, Wikia/Fandom never willingly deleted any wiki that had any semblance of traffic. Like SmashWiki moved off Wikia back in 2010 and they wouldn't delete their wiki then nor even change the name (at least not until the actual SmashWiki started beating them so badly in search results that they were forced to try differentiating themselves by renaming to Smashpedia).
The pushback to fandom is so nice. I hated using fandom. Especially on mobile. It would jump and sputter trying to load ads and making everything almost unreadable.
I remember when Fandom took over a lyrics wiki and immediately shut it down for its content not being "advertiser-friendly". A ton of fan translations of foreign songs completely lost. Wayback machine doesn't have them.
I used to use LyricWiki, which I think is what that wiki was called, but one day, I found their mobile app to just not work at all. Your comment helped answer why their mobile app went offline. Besides fan translations of lyrics to songs in other languages, I also remember that the wiki had fan-made lyrics for songs from obscure artists and genres that didn't get coverage on the major song lyric websites.
its content apparently got sold off elsewhere though. I have rediscovered lyrics I transcribed to LyricWiki, including notes that indicated the lyrics were not 100% complete (was missing a word in one or two places)... I justify having browsed wikia/fandom with adblock and consider my contributions to this or that wiki sufficient payment instead.
That's just straight up criminal. Translation takes fucking forever, especially for songs where lyrics can have different meanings. To just... nuke so much content :(
I've spent the last week or so straight doing that with the 1997 game Blood. There's a non-Fandom wiki for it, but I don't have an account on it, but I do for Fandom, so I basically created all the pages for all the levels of the original game, both of the official expansions, and 3 well-known yet non-official expansions, mainly for people to use as a guide for finding secret areas. I mainly did that since the OG Blood Wiki didn't (and still doesn't to my knowledge) have the pages created for 2 of the 3 non-official expansions that have been out for 4 years (one of them) and just over a month (the newest one), and since I already had an account on Fandom and had done the same thing for other games, I figured "why the hell not?" Not sure how many people will actually use it, but it was something I was interested in finishing, no matter how many friggin' times I wanted to stop since it just kept going on and on lmao
I forget how bad fandom is until i use it on my phone and get bombarded with ads which really slows things down by a lot. It's so intrusive especially the pop up ads and autoplay videos. I usually use my computer to look stuff up (I have adblocker) and never see the chaos until i have to search something with my phone when i'm away from my computer. Great video!!!
the ai generated answers is geniunely the funniest, most out of touch thing i have ever witnessed. they're really putting mandated misinformation on a WIKI SITE 💀
I remember watching a video where a Touhou fan gave an AI a quiz to see if it would get the right answer. It got the basic stuff right, but once he started asking even slightly more complicated questions like "What species is Remilia's pet" (Answer: Chupacabra), it completely broke and started using fanon material to answer the questions.
Reminds me of MDN (which is a technical reference site) trying out AI answers and misrepresenting everyone saying "NO. That makes no sense". LLMs are bullshit generators - they don't care about whether the answer is correct, just whether it looks like a real one, which is worse than not providing an answer.
99% such decisions are made because some email-pusher of a mix manager found somewhere the absurd idea that it would increase engagment with the site. The problem is, I am not so sure they would be wrong
Fun fact: The Zelda wiki originally left Wikia years ago. It was self-hosted for a few years before moving to a smaller wiki hoster, which was later bought out by Fandom. The recent Zelda Wiki move is its second after being reabsorbed the first time.
So that's why I remember an independent Zelda wiki existing before! I remember seeing one in like, 2014 and it had this ad for a game with a yellow orc that scared me. I'm pretty sure it was self-hosted and that ad just drove me to another one on a wiki hoster, which I figured was Zelda Wiki.
@@cshairydude Sadly, self-hosting also means that you are responsible for making your site secure, plus it costs money. Creating a decent wiki site is hard work.
Reminds me of a bit in American Dad "Dear viewers! We've made some jokes about drugs in this episode. I just wanted to point that out, I think they were pretty funny."
Reminds me of a bit in Simpsons! Homer, in court, stating "Now, I'm not a man who's good with words...", and then pure silence for the next good minute lol
The DRG fandom wiki literally puts a big red box on your screen 24/7 on all pages to tell you not to use the site and to find the official new one, while also adding how disrespectful fandom is, pretty deserved.
I'm a developer for the Terraria Calamity Mod, and I can tell you first hand: Fandom is TERRIBLE. Please, do not use them. Ever. Even the process of switching from them to our own site (and for base Terraria too!) has been a complete mess, with them straight up refusing to take down pages that spread misinformation. Nowadays, the community has protested it so much by repeatedly vandalizing it day to day that they've just been forced to stop trying to fix it and allow the community to use it as a shitpost palace. Don't use Fandom.
Straight up, the Fandom wiki mobile experience was the thing that finally pushed me over the edge into running an adblocker on my phone. It's not the only culprit amongst websites I sometimes visit, but it's by far the most egregious.
Same thing happended for my computer. Famdom not only constantly covered 3/4 of the page (including the upper half) in ads but tried to load so many of them it would double the memory use of my browser with 50 opened tabs if I opened even one fandom tab in it Then I installed an adblocker and never stopped using one, even if a website asks to remove it. No way I'm going back to being cluttered with ads all the time
it’s the closest but not equal to p0rn/pirate/filehosting sites that DELIBERATELY forces new tabs/window to a random third party pages just to use their site.
@@LynetteTheMadScientist ycan you tell me what mobile adblocker you got? for some reason i can never find adblockers that ACTUALLY block ads and intrusive popups
@@incenerated9385 Same, granted I never put an actually effort to research a good one. I personally just downloaded the mobile version of Brave browser instead.
haven’t watched the video yet but i’m glad to see someone talk about how truly terrible fandom is as a website, i hope there’s an alternative to this ad-ridden slow website sometime soon
As a Doom player I'm surprised that a Fandom exodus didn't happened WAY sooner in other communities, ever since the rebranding to Fandom the website became unbearable without an adblocker, massive communities that relied a lot in the wiki just got used to shit.
Relatively recently the Battle Cats wiki was moved from Fandom to Miraheze and it's such a good change. Battle cats is a strategy mobile game and most of it's community is found on the wiki along with a bunch more important information that just isn't available ingame for players to access, so switching to a format where the information is much more readable and the wiki is easier to navigate is such a breath of fresh air. That being said the only problem is that not everybody has moved over to the new wiki, so I still find myself checking the fandom wiki if I want to find a strategy someone commented about on an old level that isn't there in the new wiki because of it's freshness.
People should just stop with these positive segments in the endings, if something is bad, is bad, period. I was really glad our bro was making a joke, because way too many people go with this trend that "OH ITS NOT SO BAD!!", things are there are really bad, and some people try to shed some positivity into it for no good reason.
Well, no. That's not a good comparison. It's more like Fandom is the Pale King (if he was a capitalist) and the communities are the kids (if they were bugs).
@@LuperisNone Pale King *is* kinda a capitalist tho. Haven't you ever heard of his big ass statue you need to throw 3000- yeah you heard me right *FUCKING 3000 GEO!!!!* . FOR A SINGLE MASK SHARD!
For what it's worth, I shared this video to an official discord group managing the wiki on fandom for an audio drama, merely asking if this was of concern, and the very next day the main coordinator for that wiki group began the process of migrating to miraheze.
omg you really had me at the end there, i hate it when people are like "now i have described an absolutely awful company, but we should remind ourselves that being in their position is hard :(" thank you for not doing that lmao
but are those people wrong? the only people who can't understand this couldn't manage a lemonade stand... not that you have to sympathise with them but trying to do something big is clearly hard to maintain.
@@aelahn everyone knows its hard to be in their position. everyone on the planet. reminding us of that is just an attempt to excuse their actions.... which is especially infuriating when the actions are so greedy.
guy who made 80% of the spelunky 2 wiki here (with the massive help of the rest of the community), thank you so much for making this video and spreading awareness of the wiki rabbit hole. it's so nice seeing a channel with as many eyes as yours gets talking about this stuff. ive for the most part retired from the spelunky wiki, but i very much hope the spelunky wiki makes the move soon.
As a lover of Spelunky 1 and 2 and #8 world for normal speed run the first month it came out, thank you so much for your work. I also have a huge amount of love and passion for this game ❤
An update on this as a wiki-editor (I did most of the Pale Court mod's research/editing); I'm happy to say that we're past that fandom bullshit, and glad to say that we show up above the fandom wiki on most (if not all) browsers for the search 'HK wiki'. Fandom still shows up though when searching individual bosses/items/etc. which is a pain, but we're getting there!
Legit I thought there's be more but there wasn't and I was left giggling like an idiot. There's absolutely nothing to be nice about towards Fandom now lmao.
There's another pretty substantial issue that indie wikis have to deal with that you didn't mention: plagiarism. In the months leading to the migration by the Jojo's Bizarre Encyclopedia, the admins of that wiki did a lot of work to completely overhaul the articles as they moved them to improve the article quality and help boost search engine results. But then, Fandom literally plagiarized those articles and put them on the Fandom versions of those same topics.
wikis work under licenses which require credits, if someone on fandom is copy/pasting text from an indie wiki they should credit it, and anyone is free to confront fandom about it, but funnily enough fandom's own forking policy actually prevent copy/pasting because they will hate to credit an indie wiki and would rather delete copypasta.
Willing to bet that Fandom's doing it intentionally as an SEO tactic. As Mossbag mentions in this video, Google ignores "duplicate" results, so if Fandom says the same thing as the official wiki, the official wiki is pushed even lower since Fandom is already "trusted" by Google. Making it even harder for forked wikis to get on their feet.
not to mention, fandom knows by copying that google will suppress the fork. google cares about who has more traffic, not the original source@@cyberteaaa
And what's the problem with this? If the company responsible for a wiki ends up disappearing like many companies do, I'd prefer it has the same information on wikia. My hatred of wikia will let me from using it before it happens anyway.
I know. I was searching up the chapter Jason dies in Trials of Apollo and they gave me an add for the Percy Jackson Movie Fandom. (I’m a huuuuge Pjo fan and I wanted to cry)
The fact that so many communites have independently undertaken the gargantuan task of remaking their wikis is a testament to just how shit fandom is. Despite this video's brutal criticism, it doesn't even cover probably half the things that make fandom suck so bad. They really have no one to blame but themselves.
Especially considering how they removed certain formats under the guise of "not having the resources to keep updating" when in reality, they just didn't want to put in extra work to cram more ads into each format.
Ya I wanted some more Machiavellian stuff than just McDonalds. Like some accelerationist nightmare scenario with the problems of Wikipedia given a profit motive.
@@DracoStarScale Deletionism serves to lower the common denominator though which is more attractive to advertisers. Im guessing more pages that advertisers can advertise on normativity wise = money.
We call this enshittification, which happens to all tech companies. Once they get enough market share, they start making profits from their market share by making the service worse for the users, and it is harder for the users to move to another platform as they are now dependent on their platform.
In my own words for monopoly, theres nothing bad about owning specific companies and their assets/properties as long as you *not* abusing or comitting attrocities about the system itself. The only thing that still scares me is about passing the rent to the things you bought like you have nothing to own.
@@e5858presuming that there's no government regulations preventing competition from entering the field, then a physical monopoly is a lot more likely to topple over, because offering a superior product would not be _that_ difficult to achieve. A digital monopoly, however, is more difficult to topple, mainly because they're not making the product or service themselves, but rather _hosting or otherwise supporting_ the people that do, usually because of their visibility to an established customer base and the ease of use and viewing on both sides. As far as I understand, at least.
@@e5858Enshittification (AKA platform decay) is an effect of monopolies within the online tech world. Many new niches have been filled by only one company since their beginning, and this is leading to an increasing negative experience for online customers (as seen in Facebook, UA-cam, Uber, Amazon, etc.) There's a good Wikipedia article on it, but comments with links are now being removed on UA-cam due to bots and lazy moderating.
Fun fact: did you know the reason the new Fandom logo is represented by a flame is because of the overheating that occurs if you try to open the website on your phone?
Screw fandom. Me and my friend made a wiki a few years ago to create a lore universe for an inside joke we’ve been building on since middle school. They kept closing it and reopening it claiming it was too inactive until one day they just completely eradicated it and claimed it never existed when I asked them to at least give me an archive of it. Those were a bunch of fun memories gone in an instant for no reason.
i know right? they closed 2 of my wikis and claimed they were "inactive and had little to no information" even though I've been adding information and assets to the wikis over the course of a month but after watching this video i realized they meant that my wikis weren't very profitable for them lmao
@@Naltrexunfortunately the wayback machine only saves it if it's been added previously Found this out when trying to look at an old version of a website and no-one had saved it previously lol
Another issue for Fandom based wikis is censorship. Wikis like the Monster Girl Encyclopedia wiki got nuked completely for NSFW content, and regardless of your opinion of NSFW wikis its unfair that people who are in those communities aren't allowed to post information on a series just because a corporation can't monetize said wiki.
@@Thebois938 when the original show/games literally have nsfw in it, it become impossible for the Wiki to not have nsfw. Do you even have a mind to think?
As a staff member in two wikis part of the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance, I am happy to see more of these wikis moving away from Fandom. However, I wish this was a more widespread initiative. There is clearly a problem that not enough editors or readers are addressing, and Wikipedia still adamantly refuses to document any of these events due to "lack of notability"
@@AfutureV Wikipedia chooses to remove information about independent wikis splitting away from Fandom due to lack of notability, or at least that's what they are claiming. This is in spite of major independent wiki communities such as NIWA and SEIWA encountering some controversial clashes with Fandom.
Shoutout to Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance for being so goddamn ahead of the curve with this stuff. I remember learning NIWA was a thing over a decade ago and thinking it was the coolest thing since fan wikis themselves.
I hope this starts to get tech companies to wake up to the fact that people really don’t like looking at ads. Advertising has gotten so pervasive and encroached on so many of the boundaries it once had online. It’s honestly so gross that I can’t go 5 minutes online without being bombarded by bright, loud, flashy, distracting ads.
Everything about companies just goes directly against everyone's interests. Nature, society, the world, all of these are clashing with the interests of companies to make as much money as possible, and then somehow increase that further
Oh they know. Everyone hates ad and everyone knows it But the goal isn't for you to like ads; it's that you buy what they sell, and you do. That's what capitalism is about: as long as it makes profit there is no consideration for the lives, the health, the comfort, the freedom, .. of anyone. Children are getting their brain ruined by constant stimulation all to generate ad revenue, just like workers are and have been getting their health ruined all to generate profit
@@YadonTheCatcapitalism is what allows this type to entertainment to exist, what am i saying? of couse in sociaty that every is equal would waste time, people and resouces with to niche😮!
Yes! Wikis are, no joke, my favourite place to mindlessly browse. Just endlessly reading and clicking links to related articles. Hope everyone watching this video (and everyone else as well!) are going to support communities who wish to ditch Fandom for a place they can actually call home. Much love to everyone fighting the good fight and who contribute to these wikis ❤
Great to see this anti Fandom movement picking up steam. I was somewhat of a contributor of a fandom belonging to a long running indie game. We recently moved to an independently owned wiki last year or so and since then, Fandom staff (namely Saunt3D who was mentioned in this video) have removed admin rights from the former’s founders and censored all links to the new one, leaving our entire community outside of Discord in the dark. Worst of all they refuse to delete the old one. We routinely get people in our discord asking about the Fandom wiki because the new one has been consistently drowned out by SEO infested google searches. We even recently had a Fandom shill join our server and blame our staff. It’s so baffling. They’re not even trying to hide the fact that they want to monopolize video game information.
@@tsm688 That's been one of the common issues of Fandom when a community shows any hints of leaving. Fandom, despite their name, is actually quite anti-fandom.
I fucking laughed at the question about Hornet's sisters. The answer is clearly about Azur Lane, a chinese gacha game about anthro WWII boat waifus. I have no idea where the fuck the AI went to get this answer. The Azur Lane's wiki isn't even on Fandom.
Holy shit you really got me with that ending. I was sure there was some softening of the blow somewhere in this video, going "well euh they're not terrible people there guys", but no. Fandom fucking sucks. Corporatising passion and knowledge sucks. Good on you for sticking to your hard line.
Came here to say exactly that. I had to rewind a couple times at the very end to ensure the video didn’t get cut off or something. Well done. Well done.
Ehh imo Fandom have too many ads in mobile but having ads so they can *run their website* isn’t outrageous. I just hope the alternatives aren’t stealing the articles from Fandom and taking what they own
@@gomango99ok corpo, you don’t need that many ads on every wiki to run any website, they are corporate greedy fatcats. People like you are why we are still slaves to capitalism, because people enjoy being dogs apparently. Doesn’t make any damn sense to me.
@gomango99 the articles were written by the community, they don't "belong" to Fandom at all. The communities would be entirely within their rights to copy Fandom articles (which they do when they fork wikis)
@@gomango99 it’s not the existence of ads that’s the problem, it’s visual vomit covering most of the screen (especially on mobile) that happens to also be an advertisement.
I can't believe entire communities are now moving their wikis off of Fandom. It's finally happening! I hate Fandom so much. When they started aggressively shoving pop up ads down my throat, I said "well I guess i'm not using wikis anymore." It broke my heart when they closed the good minecraft wiki and replaced it with that terrible fandom site, so I'm elated to learn they moved back off of fandom.
I hope KND Code Module will move their wiki soon in light of this madness. While the KND fandom might be small compared to the big ones, the people in it are very caring and passionate about the show. So much love and effort was put into the wiki, and I don't want ads to pollute the platform.
I genuinely can't wait for dark souls wikidot wiki to finally get its search bar working again so we can be rid of fextra and fandom in that community too.
My favorite example of wiki vandalism was when someone added “Give Up” to the Strategy section for the Shark Giant in the Bloodborne wiki. It’s still there, too, which I think is the funniest part.
Mine's got to be the just blatant misinformation on Calamity's side. They just make shit up and put it there and that's half the content on the wiki. It's glorious.
I mean, that's about what you would get if you asked for strategies from the Souls community. They'll either tell you you're shit and to stop trying, or to just git gud cause it's so easy.
@@Cr3zant I mean the “give up” is more just a joke about how the enemy is universally seen as annoying, not a jab at people struggling against it. At least that’s how I (and other people I’ve seen) see it as.
Another niche fandom not mentioned that also departed from this site is Fear and Hunger, though it is to my understanding that they left due to a "no NSFW" policy. Their leaving isn't because a thirsty fandom, no, it's because the games themselves are packed full of grimly mature content. They left because the policies kept them from making a proper page.
I remember coming across a Reddit post about someone in a doll community asking others if they ever had any problems with editing the wiki. They wanted to add updated photos of the doll by using theirs only for it to get removed and have the old photo back. I wish I could find that post again but there were more people talking about the admins being strict
As someone who runs a pretty big wiki on Fandom, I absolutely support people's decision to stop using it. If it weren't for uBlock, I'd genuinely quit the website altogether and delete my account. Power to you all
We (ConanWiki, German-speaking) forked in 2008 and are since then self-hosted. Our Patreon supporters help us being 100 % ad-free. It's stunning to see it takes for others until 2023 to fork on their own. Do it as soon as possible, if you can. Wikia bought out Gratis-Wiki in 2008, our reason to fork, and it just gets worse every day! Please fork. Please leave Fandom. Don't wait another 15 years. Special THANK YOU to SuperHamster for having us in the Indie Wiki Buddy extension.
@@cooraa Dankeschön! ♥ We don't have many editors, but the ones we have are on fire. We appreciate every help we can get, even if it's "just" a typo correction. Everything helps us on our journey to host and deliver the best Detective Conan Wiki with our ConanWiki, since 2008 and hopefully forever! It belongs to all of us.
@@nemtudom5074 28.27 for everything. Thanks to our Patreon supporters we can keep everything up and running without ads! We want to invest a few euros more starting this month to have an even better experience for everyone. Since we rely on donations we have to be careful with any upgrades.
As a fandom phone user I’m so desensitized to all the ads and other bs that it doesn’t even bother me anymore. The scary part is that I don’t know whether that’s a good thing or not.
I'm pretty sure it's from Azur Lane Wikia (WW2 ships turned into anime girls...yeah), but even it doesn't make sense because it's still non-canon. The best you can get from reading all of Hornet's interactions with her sisters is the complicated relationship she has because she's built much later then them, but they behave like normal sisters would.
To be fair, there was a USS Hornet and it had a big role in history. That's why the "AI" is "thinking" of it, because the aircraft carrier is constantly in the data it got fed.
I didn't watch the video. So could you please explain why that is odd? There have been more than half a dozen US ships named "Hornet". Including the Yorktown and Essex from WW2. 😅
I was wondering why I was handling so many requests today. As one of Miraheze's volunteer wiki creators (and currently the most active one), I'm glad that Miraheze is getting the recognition it deserves (because although it's been relatively popular even before this video existed, it's not exactly mainstream in the wiki world), though it'll definitely mean a much heavier workload for us. (Side note: I handled one wiki request while writing this comment. It was an approval.)
speaking of that, Thank you so very much for your work tali, if it wasn't for Miraheze we from Xomnipedia would never have been able to compile our world building anywhere
@@Cygerion this is an understandable criticism, BUT miraheze is funded ONLY by people who donate, making their ENTIRE site ad-free. this also means that they have limited bandwidth to be able to support these wikis - as an owner of miraheze, would you want inactive, unused wikis taking up bandwidth that would be better used somewhere else? there is an easy solution to this, you simply need to make ONE simple edit to any page on the wiki in order for it to not be marked as inactive. i would know, since i have 2 wikis sitting under my belt that i haven't really done much with, but it only takes me going there once every few weeks to make an edit for it to stay active. it's not that big of a deal, and more popular wikis won't even have this issue at all.
The biggest shame is how many wikis on the host formerly known as Wikia are all manner of weird niches that'll never be transferred off, and once Fandom goes under for its greed, they'll go down with it.
@@ShadowOfTheSPQR Is that a thing that's allowed if you're not anyone high up in the old wiki, just taking a wiki you like and pushing it somewhere else?
@@Luigicat11 Depends on the license really, I believe fandom syncs up well with sharealike licenses that would allow content to be mirrored without looking over your shoulder legally. And if not people tend to do it anyway although that's where it gets blurry.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Mostly my own laziness TBH. If that's the appropriate term. A lot of these wikis are really big so it's hard to transfer everything over, especially manually.
today i learned there are people in 2023 (2024) without adblock. i can not survive the modern internet for 5 min without it. seriously? i would stop using the page all together.
Hi! As someone who's considerably involved in the Calamity community (and a former dev for the project), I was a bit surprised to hear you mention it in this video lmao As you said, the Fandom wiki is more or less abandoned at this point, serving as a location for people to come together to shitpost, spread micro-misinformation, and write up fake content for fun. It's basically a subculture of its own at this point. There's far too much at this point to effectively unearth all the misinformation. You briefly mentioned how Gamepedia was bought out, but I think it's important to emphasize the impact that event had. Calamity's wiki used to be on Gamepedia before this merger occurred. We never originally consented to using Fandom, we were simply forced into it being there as a consequence of that. We of course sought to have it removed, but as you can imagine this didn't really go anywhere and there was little leverage to force such action (To my understanding the technicalities of the law wouldn't really be on our side, but even if they were the development team is nowhere near the size where litigation is anywhere close to a viable option), hence the jump to wikigg. I can't imagine we were the only project to end up in this frustrating situation. All this to say, thank you for helping in getting less people on that damn site. I suspect it'll have a positive impact beyond your traditional Hollow Knight centered community/content.
This happened to the Dead Cells wiki too. It's really upsetting to have all your hard work irreparably altered without your consent like that. But at least we got the fork out of there!
I used the fandom wiki for calamity and it convinced me to fight the WHOLE boss rush just to fight the final boss and I was so disappointed when it lied.
I used to edit the Overwatch wiki way back in 2016. At one point I removed a "tips and tricks" video from a character's page because it was outdated and had bad advice, and Gamepedia staff messaged me and told me I couldn't do that because the video was made by the same company which owned Gamepedia. I wasn't much of a fan of Gamepedia after that. It sucks they got bought out by an even more invasive company. :(
That's only the tip of the iceberg. Even if a fandom wiki is deserted for years and years Fandom will send a team of goons every times a new game or new season for the wiki's topic is released to pretty up the corpse with copied pages and even wrong information so the can rake in some more ad revenue.
I was an admin for a Fandom wiki for a flash game back in the day. Eventually there was a majority formed via some members of the wiki staff, the flash game's website moderators, and even the developer of the game itself to move to Miraheze. That's when I learned that Fandom are greedy assholes and wouldn't take down the wiki so long as it was generating ad revenue. To this day, like 3-5 years after the Miraheze wiki was made (its been long enough that I don't remember when it was made) the Fandom wiki STILL shows up first, despite a direct link to the Miraheze wiki being present on the game's website. They wouldn't allow for any links to the Miraheze wiki either, but in the end I managed to get away with the fandom wiki's homepage saying "Welcome to the unofficial wiki" along with instructions on where to find the official wiki link on the game's website. Better than nothing
Good work. Its clear to me that large corporations are funding fandom as a way to control the flow of information to one place where they can control it. I guess its up to the fans of miraheze and others to spread the word to use the independent wikis.
Have you considered either suing them for copyright infringement, or reporting them to Google for copyright infringement? You're the copyright holder of whatever you wrote on the wiki, even if the terms of service say you aren't. And Google is supposed to be aggressive about enforcing copyright, and won't check the fine print anyway.
@@thewhitefalcon8539This would never work. How is a group of admins who are unpaid volunteers supposed to have enough money to successfully sue a giant corporation that has their own in house lawyers? A community can’t provide that much money and I doubt anyone would be willing to take actual legal responsibility and serve as the plaintiff, no matter how much they love their community
Wow, didn’t know Fandom issues ran that deep, I never used it due to the few times clicking the links and being plastered with Ads which borderline makes the information hard to find and is problematic for the entire format to what the user needs Edit: oh my god that ending was absolutely unexpected, like a chef’s kiss type send off to a fairly well done informative video
Me too. I didn’t think Fandom is _that_ evil and obtuse, and power play posts like the one at 10:28 are absolute shit move. I say evil because for me what they do amounts to a legitimate form of evil. Being self-serving is often okay but pretending to be otherwise, and aggressively so, is not fine.
My favourite feature of Fandom is how if you domain-block their video embed script for performance reasons, they drop a massive rectangle over the first few paragraphs and you have to open dev tools to get rid of it.
That does sound more like an error than intentional malice. It seems that if you remove the video, it pushes the content up behind the panel that holds the video, causing the panel to cover the content. Of course, Fandom have no intention to fix this because they don't want you to remove the video, but it still doesn't sound like it's intentional. Especially since a proper adblocker doesn't cause this issue.
Growing up, Fandom (I still remember it as Wikia...) hosted my first and only real online community for a long time. It was never perfect, but before the rebrand, it worked fine. Then the forums got nuked... you started having to click to see older messages every 20 or so... the layout changed, the ads changed... It makes me sad to see it like this. Even with adblocker, it just... sucks. I'm happy for all the wiki contributors that manage to get theirs onto a different site.
Its so bizarre that the Star Wars and Star Trek fan communities have still not managed to make their move off fandom. Like, if anyone would have the interest and manpower to do it...
Actually, I think their size is precisely the problem. Those two properties are HUGGGGEEEE and Fandom now has accumulated years and years of information on it. To migrate away from Fandom would require an ABSURD amount of work and some information is probably going to be lost in the process.
I believe, from my own Memory, that they used to. Wookiepedia used to be its own website, but got moved into Fandom and is so much worse that it was when I was a kid, when it looked so much better and had few ads.
there’s actually a star wars wikia off site, but wookieepedia might just be the most recognizable wiki name of them all. the brand name recognition probably causes people to overlook the over one. but to switch wookieepedia, like arnox said, would take forever. each article has two versions for legends and canon and every minor character, mentioned planet, piece of technology, and species has one.
As an editor on Pikipedia (17:14) and WiKirby (17:54) (the OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR Pikmin and Kirby Wikis), let me tell you that literally everyone there hates fandom.
After Fandom got bought out by a private equity firm it really went downhill fast. I’m one of the open source developers of MediaWiki and even I don’t use Fandom without an adblocker. Felt a bit weird the few times I had to meet with Fandom engineers to discuss stuff I’ve done because it would impact them. Props to the people who are able to get MediaWiki instances up and running because it’s difficult even for the developers of it
Hey, I just wanted to thank you for contributing to MediaWiki. I made an instance for my year at Uni and I just think it's a wonderful project in today's ever more centralized internet.
@@kacperfilipek8461Thanks! It’s all thanks to the people who donate to Wikipedia which lets me have a job that doesn’t make me feel like a piece of shit. I’d also like to take the opportunity to say that we welcome new contributors (in a bunch of different ways, not just coding) and we are kicking off our internship program in November (the ‘we’ being the Wikipedia Foundation)
Wiki editor here, I am very glad you made this video and spread awareness. One thing you also forgot to mention is that anyone who tried to edit or even talk about the Grimace page was indefinitely banned. The AI incident was also shameful, though hilarious in some cases, and I think it helped open a lot of people's eyes.
As an internet pedestrian, the AI "Q&A" is such a bafflingly stupid decision that I'm genuinely confused by how it even got green lit. How could a company that deals in fandoms as a commodity think the people deep in the wiki trenches for a niche interest wouldn't spot the glaring, inhuman errors that AI was cranking out. It feels like someone in that corporate office had to have known that an AI answering lore questions so inaccurately that its genuinely entertaining would actually be seriously tolerated by a fan community. It just seems so obviously flawed to have a mediocre AI software amalgamate lore answers (from god knows what source material) for an audience specifically seeking a nonfiction resource about something they care about
@@extragarb When they took it down after the backlash, their explanation made it very clear that some corporate guy went "whoa, AI is the cool new thing, free content and increase SEO!" and they didn't think about it any further. It was pulling from all of Fandom instead of just the particular wiki, but thanks to your comment I may have realized what made it worse: I think they were pulling not just from articles on any wiki, but from their crappy social media forums each wiki has that's basically inhabited by children. I figured this out because it seems to be the source of my favorite example, Yona from Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. For context, Yona was introduced as the fiancé of Prince Sidon, a fan-favorite tumblr sexyman who was shipped with Link, so she made people angry. This led to the following questions on Yona's page (paraphrased) Q: Who is Sidon's girlfriend? A: he doesn't have one Q: Is Sidon in love with Link? A: It is a fact that he is in love with Link, which has led to fanart etc. Q: Who is Sidon's love interest? A: correctly answering Yona, contradicting the other (wrong) answers Q: Does Sidon have a fiance? A: Yes, she's even been given the nickname 'fsifsgbksdvbskdcjgjfdgbskdjf ugly' by his most loyal admirers! This is what the page for Yona actually said. I looked up "fsifsgbksdvbskdcjgjfdgbskdjf ugly" to find it came from a discussions post on Nintendo Wiki. And then the AI placed this content, most of which isn’t even about the right character, on what is supposed to be an encyclopedic article. It is laughable that Fandom clearly did not test their new feature whatsoever, but as I said, it has led to some humor and exposing that they're creating digital slop.
I'm old enough to remember when Fandom was still Wikia, and what's sad is that the site didn't have the ads it does today. It all started after the rebrand where they slowly started introducing more and more ads until it basically became unbearable.
Eh, Wikia had notable problems even before the rebrand (most notably the layout nobody liked), but the rebrand was definitely where things really started going to shit.
I was really active on a major Wikia site (the Avatar: The Last Airbender wiki) in the early 10's. I had a front row seat to the platform careening downhill. Because of that, I hate it even more than most people do. Most people weren't there for all of the little changes that compounded over time. The conversion of user talk pages to "message walls" was a big one back in the day. As soon as that happened, we all realized that maintaining the time-tested format for gathering information was far, far less of a priority to the company than turning it into a quasi-social media platform that would generate more revenue.
@@nemoguy There was a point early in Wikia's history where it really wasn't *that* bad. It always had issues, but it was very usable and not significantly more flawed than any other wiki hosting service, all while being far and away the easiest wiki host to get set up on. It was just so accessible, and didn't have enough downsides to prevent everybody from using it.
TFWiki left Wikia way back in 2008 and literally everything that's happened since then has validated that decision. It's great to see so many other wikis making the jump.
What I love about TFWiki, along with Runescape wiki, is that they always come up at top of search engine, burying their fandom counterpart, effectively giving fandom the middle finger.
That ending was so perfect, because it's just so true. You hear a line like that and you're primed for the "But", but with Fandom there is no but, just the greedy execs showing you their ass.
I know right. And the weird interview videos that pop up that noone asked for. Its like I come here for some information and instead I got a million sales people charging up to me trying to sell me things.
Don't get me started on the headache this has caused. It gotten to the point I've had to start screenshotting and categorizing stuff on my own just to make my life easier. (That kind of ruins the entire point of a wikia, doesn't it?)
Right? Before I had Ublock on my phone, writing shit on mobile was a pain in the arse because of this exact issue. I'll just be strolling around trying to find what happened in a specific episode or something, then out of nowhere a huge video that has fuck-all to do with what I'm trying to find blocks 99% of the screen
I have to wonder if those ads even influence anyone’s purchasing decisions? I couldn’t tell you what a single fandom ads about, because they’re just a nuisance I try to close as quickly as possible.
@@ColddirectorOh they influence my purchasing decisions all right, but they have the INVERSE of the intended effect: if I see an ad for something on there I'm dang sure not gonna buy it no matter what it is lmao
The frustrating thing is that both the terraria wiki and all derivatives like the mod wikis for Calamity, and Shadows of Abaddon weren't even hosted on fandom. They were on a different host that was bought up by fandom within the last few years and subsequently the rapid enshitification of the sites began from then on. And even though they've all migrated to new sites the hollow shells of the original wikis that were abandoned still get top billing in all search results.
I am so happy that the Croc Wiki community finally got the recognition it deserves, thank you Mossbag once again for your incredible analysis of the Croc videogame franchise!
while self-hosting is quite complex and expensive, I think it's the best option! this way the internet is slightly returns to its roots being made of independent communities driven by its users!
A small VPS costs around 5 dollars a month. If you want a real actual server in a server rack, at entry-level it costs around 40-60 (Hetzner is the cheapest) per month. And if you have good internet and a static IP at home, you can host at home, although then people will be DDoSing your home when they try to DDoS the site. You can also host at home with Cloudflare (free) in front to defend against attacks, but Cloudflare is going to go the same direction as Fandom so you probably shouldn't rely on it.
The more aggressive companies get, the more people will feel insulted enough to buy server racks and relearn the art of self hosting. Its not your site if its not in your rack.
14:44 Thank you for clarifying where Ben Robinson was! I thought he was that blue cookie guy on the left and I was confused until I looked at the name!
oh man i remember the pizza tower vandalism controversey. was actually super calm in the pre-release days, but when the game came out the entire wiki got nuked
The problem is, without wiki buddy which most people won't use, fandom is pushed so far up in google searches that independent wikis don't stand a chance.
It can't be understated just how importany word of mouth is to helping indie wikis get established as well. Not everybody is in the know, so it really makes a difference for us.
The same problem exists with fextralife. There’s a Starfield wiki run by the team behind uesp but I don’t think I’ve seen it on google at all, while fextralife’s inaccurate rubbish is always top.
The problems with Wikia go back much further than just ten years, pretty much to as far back as a couple years after the site's inception. I first learned about this during WoWwiki's initial migration away from the site all the way back in the mid-2000s, and things have only continued to get worse since then. The reason they changed their name to Fandom is because it had become too widely known that Wikia was bad so they needed to change their brand to something people wouldn't recognize at first. That name in particular was chosen for, of course, search engine reasons- any time somebody searched "name of media franchise" + fandom, their site would come up. The idea that it's only in the last several years that things have gotten bad is just incorrect; instead what has happened is that a new generation of wiki communities are learning the same lessons we already learned over a decade and a half ago. Which probably means they're going to try changing their name again soon.
"The idea that it's only in the last several years that things have gotten bad is just incorrect" Indeed, all these comments I see about how "Fandom used to not be so bad", and nah, Wikia was forcing unwanted stuff on their wikis, refusing to let wikis fully moderate on their own, and making their wikis an ad-smothered eyesore for well over a decade now.
The funniest experience I ever had on fandom was reading through the Monsuno wiki, where someone had edited most of the character pages to fit in their self insert character from their fanfiction. I couldn’t even find the damn fic anywhere but I admire the dedication
this is a symptom of a bigger problem of companies being swallowed up by private equity firms and turned into ad machines to try and squeeze as much profit as possible out of them
I've been helping out with the Rain World wiki on Miraheze for months now and I can't say enough just how much nicer it is to be able to foster your own wiki community. It feels silly, but I feel proud whenever I see RW Wiki content on display in videos because I know I personally contributed to making it better. That feeling alone is enough to encourage anyone to switch to an independent hosting community, and Miraheze is still a great option if you're a smaller community and don't have the resources to host yourself.
As one of the staff members on Halopedia, it's always great to see other wiki communities going independent. We're hosted by Porple, who hosts many of the larger Nintendo wikis + Destinypedia and the new Marathon Wiki, and he's an absolutely fantastic host to work with.
As someone that writes a lot of fanfiction and deeply loves the Halo universe in general, thank you so much for all the work you do. I'm glad Halopedia left wikia when it started forbidding people from formatting pages as they wished.
Glad to see Fandom lose such big communities. I will never forget how angry I was when they rolled out some insanely aggressive iPhone ad scheme that locked the entire page down. I can’t remember what game I was playing at the time that needed a wiki but I was going crazy trying to pull pages up, I couldn’t find any way to read a single page with their new anti-consumer super broken system. Never forgave them for that, haha.
That ending was so funny. I’m confused though, I’ve been visiting a fandom wiki for over a year on mobile and it has never looked like this for me. I don’t see any ads.
I hope fandom folds in on itself. Their rules are also so outrageous on what they consider “inappropriate” and there will sometimes be random files missing from view, essentially the company tampering with its own data (which is no surprise)
@@AluminumFusion22 It's not that they are getting "too big". They monetize too hard and have to make moves justifying aggressive monetization, like adding useless features. They are well on their way down the enshittification cycle.
They do it because they can. We all need to get loud and pushy with our crappy governments until they make it so these slimy corpos can't keep doing all this crap, but of course most of us are either too overworked, too depressed or too convinced "there's nothing you can do" to realize we technically have loads more power than a handful of rich pricks with a lot of pieces of paper in their big metal cubes. We're the ones who decide that paper still means a thing!
I was about to say something similar about the ending. My jaw literally dropped But yeah, I've been using Fandom less and less lately because of the intrusive ads and shitty performance, but this video was that last push to get me to stop using it entirely
I was a senior editor on the Mass Effect wiki back in the day, when Wikia began rebranding into what we now know as Fandom. That was over a decade ago and even back then the various wiki communities HATED Fandom even before it had a name, when it was a sorta gradual change they were implementing bit by bit over a couple years time. I remember lots of wikis voting on whether or not to move. Halopedia, Nukapedia, they left. We at the ME Wiki ultimately voted to stay at the time. Fandom was gross even back then. As Wikia it was an excellent site, but as soon as they started making changes it was clear they were trying to turn wikis into some kind of social media. And yeah, ads and ads and ads. I stopped editing because of how rabid some folks got over Mass Effect 3, not the Fandom stuff. Dealing with so many trolls and so much hate was draining. But the Fandom stuff would’ve pissed me off enough to leave eventually. I understand that hosting a ton of simple wikis might not have been the best money-making proposition, but becoming Fandom just wasn’t the right move. I miss Wikia.
Thanks for the thanks! I had fun. I was literally only like twelve so I’m still amazed looking back that I did as much as I did, but it wasn’t much honestly. I mostly helped with grammar fixes. And resolving arguments between editors, they used to call me “Arbington the Arbiter” because I was good at that. lol Mass Effect mod for Battlefront you say? I’ll definitely have to check that out, I love both of those things and they could only be even better together.
Update! As of 11/8/2023 Fandom has changed their policy regarding forking. You can no longer link to the new wiki site from the main page for two weeks like I described in the video. Once you fork, all admins are removed and no links to the new site are allowed anywhere but the forking discussion page. Seems Fandom has started to respond to the recent exodus from their website. Let's see if they make any changes to their platform that actually make it better.
Also, please consider installing the Indie Wiki Buddy extension! It not only helps the Hollow Knight wiki community, but all the other wikis mentioned throughout this video! getindie.wiki/
At least you can link to the forking discussion page. But yeah I can see why you can no longer directly link.
i used an adblock my whole time so i didnt knew how shitty fandom was lel
Wow. Hopefully there's a way around this.
@FrederickSmith-kf2jqLearn to spell before releasing a propaganda spam bot into the wild.
@FrederickSmith-kf2jq Hell yeah, Christ is king, don't let the nay-sayers kill your faith
browsing fandom without an adblocker is like trying to drive down an interstate with your windshield covered in dead bugs and rotted leaves
yeah, I recently have been experiencing blind ads where, I click on a link, and it takes me to an ad image or site
Browsing the internet without an adblocker is like going to an extremely densely populated area when a pandemic is going on if you go on even a slightly wrong site,you get swarmed with 20 popups 5763 ads,and a "few" sites popping up as new tabs (okay no thats just an exxagerated joke but not using an adblocker can potentially let you get some malware quite easily)
I use an adblocker, and SOMEHOW their ads are so much it crashes my adblock
I dread whenever a site only has a fandom wiki for game tips since if you look that shit on mobile, it's practically unusable. Mobile Fandom is a nightmare to navigate.
@@dntknonuttin mobile fandom costed me a factory reset of my old phone :') I got malware thanks to that shit and lost all my whatsapp stickers smh
The most annoying thing fandom does for me is randomly reload the page and reset position to the top. Drives me nuts.
It also constantly crashes my device for like no reason at all.
@@ninjanate5018No joke, the number of times my browser has crashed because of one to three tabs open on Fandom is higher than everything else, even having a dozen or more UA-cam tabs open (which I have done throughout time way more, and have loads of extensions for).
They literally have code that waits for the ten thousand ads to load them force the user back to the start to make sure they sure they view every single one.
God, I thought I was the only one dealing with this 😭
Holy crap I thought that was a problem on my end, like my bad Wi-Fi causing the page to reload or something.
Fandom: "Wikis belong to the community!"
Also Fandom: Removes the work of the community because a fast food chain paid them
To be fair it was like the best troll ever ngl. I did this trick once on a server I own on April fools. It was very funny. Don't worry I got reverted after April fools
well it was their fast food chain after all, so it was fair imo
@@Circle-VI-Oreos You are right about that it was something
What is Fandom supposed to do? McDonalds owns McDonalds. It's their legal copyright. People should not be getting mad at Fandom they should be getting mad at Mcdonalds. Fandom has no choice in the matter at all. They either can comply or McDonalds just can take down the page by force.
@@notgray88 All I can say is deal with it💀
Not only is Fandom loaded with ads, but it is also unfriendly to old computers as well. Back in 2022 I did not have much money, and I was using a Dell Inspiron Mini 10V netbook as my main laptop. One day I was with my friends and tried to load a wiki that was hosted on Fandom. The netbook got really bogged down by all the ads and the video playing following me as I scrolled. The site ended up overloading the netbook to the point of the system fatally crashing. After that the netbook did not boot up, and I had to completely re-install the OS when I got home. The hard drive in the netbook failed soon after. Hated Fandom ever since that happened.
RIP the Inspiron mini 10V's original hard drive 2009-2022. You will be avenged.
honestly! whenever i go on that site, it makes my tablet lag SO badly
Lmao
I’ve used the website before for my tablet. It’s okay but there are too many ads although that’s kind of helpful.
Does not sound like fandom faukt
"Fandom killed my laptop" lol
As one of the admins on the Minecraft Wiki, I am so glad that we took the initiative and moved when we did. Today Fandom changed their "policy" to disallow basically any type of global announcement on the wiki itself, only allowing a notice on the main page that's entirely up to their terms.
Honestly, if it's even possible, you should just delete the fandom wiki. It's not like anyone will seriously miss it.
@@denverbeekthey straight up don’t let you lol. unless it’s some little wiki with no traffic, they’ll just say no if you contact them to delete it.
@@Slop_Dogg you need to contact them to request deletion now?? Wow, they really DOES NOT want lose their content farms by any means
@@Slop_Dogg can one deliberately vandalize the fandom pages to avoid readers going into the wrong wiki? seems weird if you can't vandalize your *own* pages...
@@GimOA That always been the case, Wikia/Fandom never willingly deleted any wiki that had any semblance of traffic. Like SmashWiki moved off Wikia back in 2010 and they wouldn't delete their wiki then nor even change the name (at least not until the actual SmashWiki started beating them so badly in search results that they were forced to try differentiating themselves by renaming to Smashpedia).
The pushback to fandom is so nice. I hated using fandom. Especially on mobile. It would jump and sputter trying to load ads and making everything almost unreadable.
fandom on mobile only shows about 4 lines of actual content, the rest is blocked by ads.
The only reason I went on the website is so I could learn more certain cartoon characters. The ads are a pain I’m not tryna see 5 ads per article 💀💀💀
The fact that it’s for literally every ip ever is so frustrating
It's actually pretty easy to leave fandom... rs integrated the wiki search into their game, that's how you beat fandom easily.
Ikr i never saw any complaints when i used fandom so i just thought it was normal and i just has to deal with it
I absolutely burst out laughing at the "now, I've been pretty mean to fandom in this video..." part at the end, it's absolute genius.
I cracked up laughing.
I exhaled.
it was so good lmaoo
The perfect way to end the video, lmfao xD
I may or may not have startled my partner with my laughing at that. No regrets.
Man, I knew we were going down the wrong path when bulbapedia stopped being the top result on Pokémon Google searches
OH NO /
At least in Spanish internet we still have Wikidex as the top result on anything related with Pokémon
PokemonDB FTW!
@@Toadey2012I should have kept it sealed 🎵
Fandom is like a parent trying to monetize their child's talents and then not understanding why the child hates them so much
i feel a little too called out by this one ngl
so you saying that fandom is the pale king?
yep.
Close, but not quite.
It's like trying to monetize a child for their skill in baking when their actual skill is making a C64 game in assembly.
not just fandom. every social media company with user contributed content. you are the product
I remember when Fandom took over a lyrics wiki and immediately shut it down for its content not being "advertiser-friendly". A ton of fan translations of foreign songs completely lost. Wayback machine doesn't have them.
I used to use LyricWiki, which I think is what that wiki was called, but one day, I found their mobile app to just not work at all. Your comment helped answer why their mobile app went offline.
Besides fan translations of lyrics to songs in other languages, I also remember that the wiki had fan-made lyrics for songs from obscure artists and genres that didn't get coverage on the major song lyric websites.
its content apparently got sold off elsewhere though. I have rediscovered lyrics I transcribed to LyricWiki, including notes that indicated the lyrics were not 100% complete (was missing a word in one or two places)...
I justify having browsed wikia/fandom with adblock and consider my contributions to this or that wiki sufficient payment instead.
That's just straight up criminal. Translation takes fucking forever, especially for songs where lyrics can have different meanings. To just... nuke so much content :(
It sucks cuz some vocalpid songs don't have translations
Fun Fact: The Lyrics wiki was the largest wiki, as it had 1.000.000 articles
Shame it has gone down a waste
I've got mad respect for all these wiki creators, who put so much effort into archiving all this game knowledge. Keep fighting the good fight.
Fallout 3?
@@diegoaravena423 "Getting a lot of Boss Baby vibes from this..."
its not even just game knowledge, its chocked full of knowledge from anime, manga, manhua, manwha, webcomics, webnovels, novels etc.
RuneScape wiki goes hard, same for path of exile.
I've spent the last week or so straight doing that with the 1997 game Blood. There's a non-Fandom wiki for it, but I don't have an account on it, but I do for Fandom, so I basically created all the pages for all the levels of the original game, both of the official expansions, and 3 well-known yet non-official expansions, mainly for people to use as a guide for finding secret areas.
I mainly did that since the OG Blood Wiki didn't (and still doesn't to my knowledge) have the pages created for 2 of the 3 non-official expansions that have been out for 4 years (one of them) and just over a month (the newest one), and since I already had an account on Fandom and had done the same thing for other games, I figured "why the hell not?"
Not sure how many people will actually use it, but it was something I was interested in finishing, no matter how many friggin' times I wanted to stop since it just kept going on and on lmao
I forget how bad fandom is until i use it on my phone and get bombarded with ads which really slows things down by a lot. It's so intrusive especially the pop up ads and autoplay videos. I usually use my computer to look stuff up (I have adblocker) and never see the chaos until i have to search something with my phone when i'm away from my computer. Great video!!!
I know this is late, but adblock apps are available for mobile that connect to the safari web browser
the ai generated answers is geniunely the funniest, most out of touch thing i have ever witnessed. they're really putting mandated misinformation on a WIKI SITE 💀
That shit was wild af
I remember watching a video where a Touhou fan gave an AI a quiz to see if it would get the right answer. It got the basic stuff right, but once he started asking even slightly more complicated questions like "What species is Remilia's pet" (Answer: Chupacabra), it completely broke and started using fanon material to answer the questions.
Reminds me of MDN (which is a technical reference site) trying out AI answers and misrepresenting everyone saying "NO. That makes no sense". LLMs are bullshit generators - they don't care about whether the answer is correct, just whether it looks like a real one, which is worse than not providing an answer.
99% such decisions are made because some email-pusher of a mix manager found somewhere the absurd idea that it would increase engagment with the site.
The problem is, I am not so sure they would be wrong
Bro it cited fucking Azur Lane for HOLLOW KNIGHT. AND EVEN THEN IT WASNT CORRECT LMAO.
Fun fact: The Zelda wiki originally left Wikia years ago. It was self-hosted for a few years before moving to a smaller wiki hoster, which was later bought out by Fandom. The recent Zelda Wiki move is its second after being reabsorbed the first time.
This is a strong argument in favour of self-hosting.
So that's why I remember an independent Zelda wiki existing before! I remember seeing one in like, 2014 and it had this ad for a game with a yellow orc that scared me. I'm pretty sure it was self-hosted and that ad just drove me to another one on a wiki hoster, which I figured was Zelda Wiki.
i use Zelda Dungeon as my wiki
They really don't wanna lose their precious content farm 😂
@@cshairydude Sadly, self-hosting also means that you are responsible for making your site secure, plus it costs money. Creating a decent wiki site is hard work.
I love the ending. There really is no “but they do do something well” that that transition implies.
Yes, it's a good turnaround on an overdone phrase in video essay writing
That bit earned my sub. I am so done with youtubers feeling obliged to be balanced or say it's not actually that bad. Fuck that. This was great
Reminds me of a bit in American Dad
"Dear viewers! We've made some jokes about drugs in this episode. I just wanted to point that out, I think they were pretty funny."
Reminds me of a bit in Simpsons!
Homer, in court, stating "Now, I'm not a man who's good with words...", and then pure silence for the next good minute lol
zzz
The DRG fandom wiki literally puts a big red box on your screen 24/7 on all pages to tell you not to use the site and to find the official new one, while also adding how disrespectful fandom is, pretty deserved.
I'm a developer for the Terraria Calamity Mod, and I can tell you first hand: Fandom is TERRIBLE. Please, do not use them. Ever. Even the process of switching from them to our own site (and for base Terraria too!) has been a complete mess, with them straight up refusing to take down pages that spread misinformation.
Nowadays, the community has protested it so much by repeatedly vandalizing it day to day that they've just been forced to stop trying to fix it and allow the community to use it as a shitpost palace.
Don't use Fandom.
No one asked.
@@mattyjj1 Nobody cares that you didn't ask. Not everyone operates on the same middle school "logic" you do, kid.
@@mattyjj1know your place, slick.
@@mattyjj1 No one needed to ask, kid
@@mattyjj1only losers think they need someone to ask to speak their mind. Like you for example.
Straight up, the Fandom wiki mobile experience was the thing that finally pushed me over the edge into running an adblocker on my phone. It's not the only culprit amongst websites I sometimes visit, but it's by far the most egregious.
Same thing happended for my computer. Famdom not only constantly covered 3/4 of the page (including the upper half) in ads but tried to load so many of them it would double the memory use of my browser with 50 opened tabs if I opened even one fandom tab in it
Then I installed an adblocker and never stopped using one, even if a website asks to remove it. No way I'm going back to being cluttered with ads all the time
it’s the closest but not equal to p0rn/pirate/filehosting sites that DELIBERATELY forces new tabs/window to a random third party pages just to use their site.
Sadly my mobile adblocker seems to work on every site (including UA-cam) EXCEPT Fandom. Ugh
@@LynetteTheMadScientist ycan you tell me what mobile adblocker you got? for some reason i can never find adblockers that ACTUALLY block ads and intrusive popups
@@incenerated9385 Same, granted I never put an actually effort to research a good one. I personally just downloaded the mobile version of Brave browser instead.
haven’t watched the video yet but i’m glad to see someone talk about how truly terrible fandom is as a website, i hope there’s an alternative to this ad-ridden slow website sometime soon
I’m very glad about this
Yes, its so fucking clutered now. Every link opens like 7 ads that cover more than half the page, on mobile its even worse.
The admins are alao assholes and lazy
Wikidot is pretty good
As a Doom player I'm surprised that a Fandom exodus didn't happened WAY sooner in other communities, ever since the rebranding to Fandom the website became unbearable without an adblocker, massive communities that relied a lot in the wiki just got used to shit.
Relatively recently the Battle Cats wiki was moved from Fandom to Miraheze and it's such a good change. Battle cats is a strategy mobile game and most of it's community is found on the wiki along with a bunch more important information that just isn't available ingame for players to access, so switching to a format where the information is much more readable and the wiki is easier to navigate is such a breath of fresh air. That being said the only problem is that not everybody has moved over to the new wiki, so I still find myself checking the fandom wiki if I want to find a strategy someone commented about on an old level that isn't there in the new wiki because of it's freshness.
The ending was so hilarious. It fooled me into thinking that there was going to be a segue into a segment on some positives of Fandom. Well played.
I had to double-check it's not a sponsorblock segment screwing with me or something lol
The positives in question:
People should just stop with these positive segments in the endings, if something is bad, is bad, period.
I was really glad our bro was making a joke, because way too many people go with this trend that "OH ITS NOT SO BAD!!", things are there are really bad, and some people try to shed some positivity into it for no good reason.
@@Beta_Mixes this is what I call the "positivity cult". positivity became a cancer in recent years
@@SadoMessiahLP You are tremendously right dude
I like how the HK fandom abandoned the old wiki just like how the pale king abandoned his 70,000 dead children
_Why this made me laugh so hard!??!?!_
the fans have been starving for silksong so theyre making the game a reality
Well, no. That's not a good comparison. It's more like Fandom is the Pale King (if he was a capitalist) and the communities are the kids (if they were bugs).
@@LuperisNone Pale King *is* kinda a capitalist tho. Haven't you ever heard of his big ass statue you need to throw 3000- yeah you heard me right *FUCKING 3000 GEO!!!!* . FOR A SINGLE MASK SHARD!
Iconic moment frfr (both of them)
For what it's worth, I shared this video to an official discord group managing the wiki on fandom for an audio drama, merely asking if this was of concern, and the very next day the main coordinator for that wiki group began the process of migrating to miraheze.
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Smart men
Which wiki is it?
Very good job, sir
I absolutely hate Fandom due to how hard it is to add 1 fucking image to an infobox template
youre so right,
@@twotruckslyrics i learnt how 2 doo it
it's not that hard...
[image name] . [file type]
example:
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(capitalization use if needed)
omg you really had me at the end there, i hate it when people are like "now i have described an absolutely awful company, but we should remind ourselves that being in their position is hard :(" thank you for not doing that lmao
fr man I laughed out load when he didn't continue and ended the video right there
This earned my sub + like big time
It’s comedy gold! An ad played at the very end and I was like: “Wait, is there more?” And indeed there wasn’t! I love it! XD
but are those people wrong? the only people who can't understand this couldn't manage a lemonade stand... not that you have to sympathise with them but trying to do something big is clearly hard to maintain.
@@aelahn everyone knows its hard to be in their position. everyone on the planet. reminding us of that is just an attempt to excuse their actions.... which is especially infuriating when the actions are so greedy.
guy who made 80% of the spelunky 2 wiki here (with the massive help of the rest of the community), thank you so much for making this video and spreading awareness of the wiki rabbit hole. it's so nice seeing a channel with as many eyes as yours gets talking about this stuff. ive for the most part retired from the spelunky wiki, but i very much hope the spelunky wiki makes the move soon.
Thank YOU and other individuals that fill the Wikis with lots of information. I dunno what I woulda done if we didnt have yall
Thank you for making it man. It’s honestly a great resource for the games finer details that almost can’t be figured out just by playing a lot.
As a lover of Spelunky 1 and 2 and #8 world for normal speed run the first month it came out, thank you so much for your work.
I also have a huge amount of love and passion for this game ❤
Fanum taxed ads
oh hey pread!
fun fact: you can put 'anti' in front of the 'fandom' in any fandom link, and it will take you to a site that strips it down (so no ads, etc)
Lol, there's baggage to that terminology but it is poetic
@@TorrentialStardustwhat did he meant by thos
You are a hero
@@ThommyofThenn "antifandom" has "antifa" in it, I assume that's what they were referring to
Doing this also makes the page a complete eyesore, btw and will fuck up any templates on the page.
An update on this as a wiki-editor (I did most of the Pale Court mod's research/editing); I'm happy to say that we're past that fandom bullshit, and glad to say that we show up above the fandom wiki on most (if not all) browsers for the search 'HK wiki'. Fandom still shows up though when searching individual bosses/items/etc. which is a pain, but we're getting there!
Can't wait for the day when Fandom and Fextralife are no longer contaminating the search results page
The way the video ends on "Now, I've been pretty mean to Fandom throughout this video" with no elaboration is HILARIOUS and shows that it's deserved
about 9 seconds before I heard that I checked the timestamp and it was currently 22:05/22:17
lol
Fr I thought he was gonna say something else but nope😂
it sounded like an ending to a jan Misali video (most people probably won't get this but that's what it reminded me of)
Legit I thought there's be more but there wasn't and I was left giggling like an idiot. There's absolutely nothing to be nice about towards Fandom now lmao.
@@PokeCube_Oh 100%
There's another pretty substantial issue that indie wikis have to deal with that you didn't mention: plagiarism.
In the months leading to the migration by the Jojo's Bizarre Encyclopedia, the admins of that wiki did a lot of work to completely overhaul the articles as they moved them to improve the article quality and help boost search engine results.
But then, Fandom literally plagiarized those articles and put them on the Fandom versions of those same topics.
Pizza Tower wiki is dealing with that right now too
wikis work under licenses which require credits, if someone on fandom is copy/pasting text from an indie wiki they should credit it, and anyone is free to confront fandom about it, but funnily enough fandom's own forking policy actually prevent copy/pasting because they will hate to credit an indie wiki and would rather delete copypasta.
Willing to bet that Fandom's doing it intentionally as an SEO tactic. As Mossbag mentions in this video, Google ignores "duplicate" results, so if Fandom says the same thing as the official wiki, the official wiki is pushed even lower since Fandom is already "trusted" by Google. Making it even harder for forked wikis to get on their feet.
not to mention, fandom knows by copying that google will suppress the fork. google cares about who has more traffic, not the original source@@cyberteaaa
And what's the problem with this?
If the company responsible for a wiki ends up disappearing like many companies do, I'd prefer it has the same information on wikia.
My hatred of wikia will let me from using it before it happens anyway.
It’s nice to see people from different fandoms being brought together because of fandom being terrible
I know. I was searching up the chapter Jason dies in Trials of Apollo and they gave me an add for the Percy Jackson Movie Fandom. (I’m a huuuuge Pjo fan and I wanted to cry)
It really is.
@@audiobooksforfree7857 spoiler warning please
Im kinda scared, can you recommend non-fandom aesthetic wikis ???
One time, I manually removed one of the ads on a Fandom Wiki page, and the entire website broke immediately...
BAHAHH WHATT WHICH WIKI? 😭
''Now I've been pretty mean to fandom in this video.''
Good job, keep it up!
I thought he was gonna apologize that was so much better
-Now I've been pretty mean to fandom in this video.
-...buuuut ?
-No buts, they deserve to be treated this way
That's hands down the best part of the video
The fact that so many communites have independently undertaken the gargantuan task of remaking their wikis is a testament to just how shit fandom is. Despite this video's brutal criticism, it doesn't even cover probably half the things that make fandom suck so bad. They really have no one to blame but themselves.
Especially considering how they removed certain formats under the guise of "not having the resources to keep updating" when in reality, they just didn't want to put in extra work to cram more ads into each format.
Ya I wanted some more Machiavellian stuff than just McDonalds. Like some accelerationist nightmare scenario with the problems of Wikipedia given a profit motive.
@@DracoStarScale Deletionism serves to lower the common denominator though which is more attractive to advertisers. Im guessing more pages that advertisers can advertise on normativity wise = money.
We call this enshittification, which happens to all tech companies. Once they get enough market share, they start making profits from their market share by making the service worse for the users, and it is harder for the users to move to another platform as they are now dependent on their platform.
Another example of absolute control, tech companies are not your friends. And theres a reason why they still doing that.
How is that different from monopoly?
In my own words for monopoly, theres nothing bad about owning specific companies and their assets/properties as long as you *not* abusing or comitting attrocities about the system itself.
The only thing that still scares me is about passing the rent to the things you bought like you have nothing to own.
@@e5858presuming that there's no government regulations preventing competition from entering the field, then a physical monopoly is a lot more likely to topple over, because offering a superior product would not be _that_ difficult to achieve. A digital monopoly, however, is more difficult to topple, mainly because they're not making the product or service themselves, but rather _hosting or otherwise supporting_ the people that do, usually because of their visibility to an established customer base and the ease of use and viewing on both sides.
As far as I understand, at least.
@@e5858Enshittification (AKA platform decay) is an effect of monopolies within the online tech world. Many new niches have been filled by only one company since their beginning, and this is leading to an increasing negative experience for online customers (as seen in Facebook, UA-cam, Uber, Amazon, etc.)
There's a good Wikipedia article on it, but comments with links are now being removed on UA-cam due to bots and lazy moderating.
Fun fact: did you know the reason the new Fandom logo is represented by a flame is because of the overheating that occurs if you try to open the website on your phone?
Screw fandom. Me and my friend made a wiki a few years ago to create a lore universe for an inside joke we’ve been building on since middle school. They kept closing it and reopening it claiming it was too inactive until one day they just completely eradicated it and claimed it never existed when I asked them to at least give me an archive of it. Those were a bunch of fun memories gone in an instant for no reason.
i know right? they closed 2 of my wikis and claimed they were "inactive and had little to no information" even though I've been adding information and assets to the wikis over the course of a month
but after watching this video i realized they meant that my wikis weren't very profitable for them lmao
that's disgusting
if you still have the link, it might be worth it to look it up in the wayback machine, maybe it's been saved
@@Naltrexunfortunately the wayback machine only saves it if it's been added previously
Found this out when trying to look at an old version of a website and no-one had saved it previously lol
That's a more legitimate issue than anything mossbag mentioned. That sucks, mate.
The ending of this video was the best ending that I've seen in a video essay. Provides a really solid empathic view to Fandom that it deserves.
Was so good I thought he chopped a part of the video off that he wanted to remove after upload. the goat
I laughed pretty hard ngl
I went back and was like wtf did my internet randomly die lmao. Amazing.
Yeah, that one reset my brain a little. I loved it.
"Now, I've been pretty mean to Fandom throughout this video." And it will stay that way.
The “now I’ve been pretty mean to fandom” then the video ends at the end made me roll on the floor 😂
10/10 ending gag
Same, that was a good one.
Same lmao
Yeah, I was listening to the video while doing something else, but then it just ended like that and I thought YT was fucking up LMAO
SAME
Another issue for Fandom based wikis is censorship. Wikis like the Monster Girl Encyclopedia wiki got nuked completely for NSFW content, and regardless of your opinion of NSFW wikis its unfair that people who are in those communities aren't allowed to post information on a series just because a corporation can't monetize said wiki.
“Why am i not allowed to be a degenerate on (blank) website? this is outrageous!”
@@Thebois938 when the original show/games literally have nsfw in it, it become impossible for the Wiki to not have nsfw. Do you even have a mind to think?
@@Thebois938the insecurity oozing of anyone who uses the word "degenerate"
This is one of the factors towards my idea of Internet Liberation
As a staff member in two wikis part of the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance, I am happy to see more of these wikis moving away from Fandom.
However, I wish this was a more widespread initiative. There is clearly a problem that not enough editors or readers are addressing, and Wikipedia still adamantly refuses to document any of these events due to "lack of notability"
What do you mean by the Wikipedia part?
@@AfutureV Wikipedia chooses to remove information about independent wikis splitting away from Fandom due to lack of notability, or at least that's what they are claiming. This is in spite of major independent wiki communities such as NIWA and SEIWA encountering some controversial clashes with Fandom.
Down with the old kings! Let's make a new Wikipedia!
@@kdsvgmremastering848we dont need a new wikipedia
Shoutout to Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance for being so goddamn ahead of the curve with this stuff. I remember learning NIWA was a thing over a decade ago and thinking it was the coolest thing since fan wikis themselves.
I hope this starts to get tech companies to wake up to the fact that people really don’t like looking at ads. Advertising has gotten so pervasive and encroached on so many of the boundaries it once had online. It’s honestly so gross that I can’t go 5 minutes online without being bombarded by bright, loud, flashy, distracting ads.
Everything about companies just goes directly against everyone's interests. Nature, society, the world, all of these are clashing with the interests of companies to make as much money as possible, and then somehow increase that further
That's capitalism baybeeee
Depending on what sites you've used in the past it used to be 5 mins till a porn ad anyway on shit like newgrounds
Oh they know. Everyone hates ad and everyone knows it
But the goal isn't for you to like ads; it's that you buy what they sell, and you do. That's what capitalism is about: as long as it makes profit there is no consideration for the lives, the health, the comfort, the freedom, .. of anyone. Children are getting their brain ruined by constant stimulation all to generate ad revenue, just like workers are and have been getting their health ruined all to generate profit
@@YadonTheCatcapitalism is what allows this type to entertainment to exist, what am i saying? of couse in sociaty that every is equal would waste time, people and resouces with to niche😮!
Yes! Wikis are, no joke, my favourite place to mindlessly browse. Just endlessly reading and clicking links to related articles. Hope everyone watching this video (and everyone else as well!) are going to support communities who wish to ditch Fandom for a place they can actually call home. Much love to everyone fighting the good fight and who contribute to these wikis ❤
good to know i'm not alone in this hobby
@@steponkusceponas4085 Yep! I like to randomly browse wikis too. Be it Wikipedia or a wiki of a game I like.
@@tooftreefSame
ok
Random or new fan will and will always prefer ease to access the info. No matter how hard you try corpos are the new normal.
One time i got an ad on fandom that covered the ENTIRE SCREEN! I couldnt click ANYTHING but the ad.
Great to see this anti Fandom movement picking up steam. I was somewhat of a contributor of a fandom belonging to a long running indie game. We recently moved to an independently owned wiki last year or so and since then, Fandom staff (namely Saunt3D who was mentioned in this video) have removed admin rights from the former’s founders and censored all links to the new one, leaving our entire community outside of Discord in the dark. Worst of all they refuse to delete the old one.
We routinely get people in our discord asking about the Fandom wiki because the new one has been consistently drowned out by SEO infested google searches. We even recently had a Fandom shill join our server and blame our staff. It’s so baffling. They’re not even trying to hide the fact that they want to monopolize video game information.
They're cutting off editing powers just to spite people? That's fucked up.
Which game?
drop the wiki the people are dying to know what game it is
I've been advocating for this for almost a decade now. Seeing it pick up steam honestly makes me so happy
@@tsm688 That's been one of the common issues of Fandom when a community shows any hints of leaving. Fandom, despite their name, is actually quite anti-fandom.
The AI generated answers is genuinely the funniest
I fucking laughed at the question about Hornet's sisters. The answer is clearly about Azur Lane, a chinese gacha game about anthro WWII boat waifus. I have no idea where the fuck the AI went to get this answer. The Azur Lane's wiki isn't even on Fandom.
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Super ok ❤🎉😅
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Holy shit you really got me with that ending. I was sure there was some softening of the blow somewhere in this video, going "well euh they're not terrible people there guys", but no. Fandom fucking sucks. Corporatising passion and knowledge sucks. Good on you for sticking to your hard line.
Came here to say exactly that. I had to rewind a couple times at the very end to ensure the video didn’t get cut off or something. Well done. Well done.
Ehh imo Fandom have too many ads in mobile but having ads so they can *run their website* isn’t outrageous. I just hope the alternatives aren’t stealing the articles from Fandom and taking what they own
@@gomango99ok corpo, you don’t need that many ads on every wiki to run any website, they are corporate greedy fatcats. People like you are why we are still slaves to capitalism, because people enjoy being dogs apparently. Doesn’t make any damn sense to me.
@gomango99 the articles were written by the community, they don't "belong" to Fandom at all. The communities would be entirely within their rights to copy Fandom articles (which they do when they fork wikis)
@@gomango99 it’s not the existence of ads that’s the problem, it’s visual vomit covering most of the screen (especially on mobile) that happens to also be an advertisement.
One of the reasons I stopped using Fandom is because after a wiki using Fandom moved, mods from other Fandom wikis have been plagarising the new one.
I can't believe entire communities are now moving their wikis off of Fandom. It's finally happening! I hate Fandom so much. When they started aggressively shoving pop up ads down my throat, I said "well I guess i'm not using wikis anymore." It broke my heart when they closed the good minecraft wiki and replaced it with that terrible fandom site, so I'm elated to learn they moved back off of fandom.
Me too. Hopefully it brings some soul back into the fandoms.
I hope KND Code Module will move their wiki soon in light of this madness.
While the KND fandom might be small compared to the big ones, the people in it are very caring and passionate about the show.
So much love and effort was put into the wiki, and I don't want ads to pollute the platform.
y'all don't use adblock?
use an adblocker. its extremely simple.
I genuinely can't wait for dark souls wikidot wiki to finally get its search bar working again so we can be rid of fextra and fandom in that community too.
My favorite example of wiki vandalism was when someone added “Give Up” to the Strategy section for the Shark Giant in the Bloodborne wiki. It’s still there, too, which I think is the funniest part.
Mine's got to be the just blatant misinformation on Calamity's side. They just make shit up and put it there and that's half the content on the wiki. It's glorious.
I mean, that's about what you would get if you asked for strategies from the Souls community. They'll either tell you you're shit and to stop trying, or to just git gud cause it's so easy.
@@KINGSNAKE-lh7oe I certainly wouldn't mind an actual bronze wall fight though, looks like you'd get some good drops. =P
@@Cr3zant I mean the “give up” is more just a joke about how the enemy is universally seen as annoying, not a jab at people struggling against it. At least that’s how I (and other people I’ve seen) see it as.
@@Cr3zantmost of the community is actually annoyingly supportive to counterpart the shithead’s who brag about being good at video games.
Another niche fandom not mentioned that also departed from this site is Fear and Hunger, though it is to my understanding that they left due to a "no NSFW" policy. Their leaving isn't because a thirsty fandom, no, it's because the games themselves are packed full of grimly mature content.
They left because the policies kept them from making a proper page.
I loved reading funger fandom wiki right after they moved. It got vandalized hard and filled with memes and funny missinformation
As soon as you mentioned Fear and Hunger, I immediately understood why lmao
Oh you mean gory stuff. I should really play some more different games tbh
I remember coming across a Reddit post about someone in a doll community asking others if they ever had any problems with editing the wiki. They wanted to add updated photos of the doll by using theirs only for it to get removed and have the old photo back. I wish I could find that post again but there were more people talking about the admins being strict
as a huge terraria fan, I cannot put into words how much nicer it is to use the official site rather than the fandom wiki
same, I am new to the game and can't find out how to do anything bc fandom is just ads.
@@jessicamarsh1337 Don't forget to install the extension!
I have 500 hours and i want to say that after using it a bit for fun 90% of the info is very outdated.
@@nvm-x4h you mean fandoms wiki or the official wiki?
@@styx64 fandom, and GOD DAMN it has more holes in its info than swiss chesse.
As someone who runs a pretty big wiki on Fandom, I absolutely support people's decision to stop using it. If it weren't for uBlock, I'd genuinely quit the website altogether and delete my account. Power to you all
What's the wiki?
what is ublock?
@@flydrop8822 open source ad blocker and virus protection
@@flydrop8822one of the best AdBlock browser extensions
@@flydrop8822 One of the best ad-blocking extensions out there.
We (ConanWiki, German-speaking) forked in 2008 and are since then self-hosted. Our Patreon supporters help us being 100 % ad-free. It's stunning to see it takes for others until 2023 to fork on their own. Do it as soon as possible, if you can. Wikia bought out Gratis-Wiki in 2008, our reason to fork, and it just gets worse every day! Please fork. Please leave Fandom. Don't wait another 15 years. Special THANK YOU to SuperHamster for having us in the Indie Wiki Buddy extension.
Out of curiosity, how much are the server costs for the wiki per month?
Love, love, love the German Conan wiki!! So many episodes and I'm always pleasently surprised to see each one explained and remembered on there 🥰
@@cooraa Dankeschön! ♥ We don't have many editors, but the ones we have are on fire. We appreciate every help we can get, even if it's "just" a typo correction. Everything helps us on our journey to host and deliver the best Detective Conan Wiki with our ConanWiki, since 2008 and hopefully forever! It belongs to all of us.
@@nemtudom5074 28.27 for everything. Thanks to our Patreon supporters we can keep everything up and running without ads! We want to invest a few euros more starting this month to have an even better experience for everyone. Since we rely on donations we have to be careful with any upgrades.
WE HAVE A GERMAN CONAN WIKI??????? WHAT
As a fandom phone user I’m so desensitized to all the ads and other bs that it doesn’t even bother me anymore. The scary part is that I don’t know whether that’s a good thing or not.
The idea of the AI interpreting Hornet to be one of multiple WW2 American aircraft carriers is incredibly funny to me
I'm pretty sure it's from Azur Lane Wikia (WW2 ships turned into anime girls...yeah), but even it doesn't make sense because it's still non-canon. The best you can get from reading all of Hornet's interactions with her sisters is the complicated relationship she has because she's built much later then them, but they behave like normal sisters would.
I had to pause to laugh when it said Link from Zelda was married to Amber Von Tussle
ai:7, LAUGHING
To be fair, there was a USS Hornet and it had a big role in history. That's why the "AI" is "thinking" of it, because the aircraft carrier is constantly in the data it got fed.
I didn't watch the video. So could you please explain why that is odd? There have been more than half a dozen US ships named "Hornet". Including the Yorktown and Essex from WW2. 😅
I’m so happy that we, as a society, are gradually moving beyond the need for that Fandom wiki site
In memory of Gamepedia R.I.P.
@@Nico_com_cI’ll always miss those trailer parodies
Now with mods, and game communities stop being shitcord only
Then I HATE society
I disagree. Fandom better because there is tons of autistic people on there
I was wondering why I was handling so many requests today.
As one of Miraheze's volunteer wiki creators (and currently the most active one), I'm glad that Miraheze is getting the recognition it deserves (because although it's been relatively popular even before this video existed, it's not exactly mainstream in the wiki world), though it'll definitely mean a much heavier workload for us.
(Side note: I handled one wiki request while writing this comment. It was an approval.)
Sorry for the extra work!
@@mossbag69 It's alright; I can handle it.
speaking of that, Thank you so very much for your work tali,
if it wasn't for Miraheze we from Xomnipedia would never have been able to compile our world building anywhere
yeeeaahhh thats debatable. miraheze deletes wikis after only 60 days of inactivity which is... very much less than ideal
@@Cygerion this is an understandable criticism, BUT miraheze is funded ONLY by people who donate, making their ENTIRE site ad-free. this also means that they have limited bandwidth to be able to support these wikis - as an owner of miraheze, would you want inactive, unused wikis taking up bandwidth that would be better used somewhere else? there is an easy solution to this, you simply need to make ONE simple edit to any page on the wiki in order for it to not be marked as inactive. i would know, since i have 2 wikis sitting under my belt that i haven't really done much with, but it only takes me going there once every few weeks to make an edit for it to stay active. it's not that big of a deal, and more popular wikis won't even have this issue at all.
this is why i will always go to some random website for a wiki bc they actually care about the info and the characters
i've had a grudge against fandom for years and seeing their downfall brings me great joy
I hate it too. Glad to see it gone, it sucks.
@@Foam_Woa Except it's not gone yet and won't be soon.
A bit too early to say they've had their downfall.
I stopped relying on Fandom when they gave Yamato "he/him" pronouns outside of her Oden persona, despite being confirmed otherwise by Oda.
@@MurdererOfRaypists I stopped reading Fandom when the ads just took over.
The biggest shame is how many wikis on the host formerly known as Wikia are all manner of weird niches that'll never be transferred off, and once Fandom goes under for its greed, they'll go down with it.
The time to mirror is, a long while ago, but now's a good start.
@@ShadowOfTheSPQR
Is that a thing that's allowed if you're not anyone high up in the old wiki, just taking a wiki you like and pushing it somewhere else?
@@Luigicat11 Depends on the license really, I believe fandom syncs up well with sharealike licenses that would allow content to be mirrored without looking over your shoulder legally. And if not people tend to do it anyway although that's where it gets blurry.
@@Luigicat11 Who's going to stop you?
@@thewhitefalcon8539
Mostly my own laziness TBH. If that's the appropriate term. A lot of these wikis are really big so it's hard to transfer everything over, especially manually.
Every time a wiki leaves Fandom, an angel gets its wings
Dude you're everywhere what is this
I bet for the idea wiki, it will be like 100 due to how many pages there are
SO TRUE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Outside.
You're right though, lol
yep, which biblically means only 7,405,926 wikis can leave... what a shame
today i learned there are people in 2023 (2024) without adblock.
i can not survive the modern internet for 5 min without it. seriously? i would stop using the page all together.
Hi! As someone who's considerably involved in the Calamity community (and a former dev for the project), I was a bit surprised to hear you mention it in this video lmao
As you said, the Fandom wiki is more or less abandoned at this point, serving as a location for people to come together to shitpost, spread micro-misinformation, and write up fake content for fun. It's basically a subculture of its own at this point. There's far too much at this point to effectively unearth all the misinformation.
You briefly mentioned how Gamepedia was bought out, but I think it's important to emphasize the impact that event had. Calamity's wiki used to be on Gamepedia before this merger occurred. We never originally consented to using Fandom, we were simply forced into it being there as a consequence of that. We of course sought to have it removed, but as you can imagine this didn't really go anywhere and there was little leverage to force such action (To my understanding the technicalities of the law wouldn't really be on our side, but even if they were the development team is nowhere near the size where litigation is anywhere close to a viable option), hence the jump to wikigg.
I can't imagine we were the only project to end up in this frustrating situation.
All this to say, thank you for helping in getting less people on that damn site. I suspect it'll have a positive impact beyond your traditional Hollow Knight centered community/content.
This happened to the Dead Cells wiki too. It's really upsetting to have all your hard work irreparably altered without your consent like that. But at least we got the fork out of there!
I used the fandom wiki for calamity and it convinced me to fight the WHOLE boss rush just to fight the final boss and I was so disappointed when it lied.
micro-misinformation?
I used to edit the Overwatch wiki way back in 2016. At one point I removed a "tips and tricks" video from a character's page because it was outdated and had bad advice, and Gamepedia staff messaged me and told me I couldn't do that because the video was made by the same company which owned Gamepedia.
I wasn't much of a fan of Gamepedia after that. It sucks they got bought out by an even more invasive company. :(
oh hey it's the you hope your drinking water or something
Holy shit the fact the "fandom representative" just straight up threatened the pizza tower fandom like that
The dude was pathetic, can't even be honest about being a bootlicker.
Because its true (im a pizza tower fan)
Not the first time either. Back when they were Wikia they would do the same over 10 years ago. Their goal has never been to benefit fandom communities
That's only the tip of the iceberg. Even if a fandom wiki is deserted for years and years Fandom will send a team of goons every times a new game or new season for the wiki's topic is released to pretty up the corpse with copied pages and even wrong information so the can rake in some more ad revenue.
ill try my best to look for a non-fandom based wiki in the future
I was an admin for a Fandom wiki for a flash game back in the day. Eventually there was a majority formed via some members of the wiki staff, the flash game's website moderators, and even the developer of the game itself to move to Miraheze.
That's when I learned that Fandom are greedy assholes and wouldn't take down the wiki so long as it was generating ad revenue. To this day, like 3-5 years after the Miraheze wiki was made (its been long enough that I don't remember when it was made) the Fandom wiki STILL shows up first, despite a direct link to the Miraheze wiki being present on the game's website.
They wouldn't allow for any links to the Miraheze wiki either, but in the end I managed to get away with the fandom wiki's homepage saying "Welcome to the unofficial wiki" along with instructions on where to find the official wiki link on the game's website. Better than nothing
Good work. Its clear to me that large corporations are funding fandom as a way to control the flow of information to one place where they can control it. I guess its up to the fans of miraheze and others to spread the word to use the independent wikis.
Have you considered either suing them for copyright infringement, or reporting them to Google for copyright infringement? You're the copyright holder of whatever you wrote on the wiki, even if the terms of service say you aren't. And Google is supposed to be aggressive about enforcing copyright, and won't check the fine print anyway.
@@thewhitefalcon8539This would never work. How is a group of admins who are unpaid volunteers supposed to have enough money to successfully sue a giant corporation that has their own in house lawyers? A community can’t provide that much money and I doubt anyone would be willing to take actual legal responsibility and serve as the plaintiff, no matter how much they love their community
@@satanyanko Well you don't have to pay for the corporation's lawyers.
Wow, didn’t know Fandom issues ran that deep, I never used it due to the few times clicking the links and being plastered with Ads which borderline makes the information hard to find and is problematic for the entire format to what the user needs
Edit: oh my god that ending was absolutely unexpected, like a chef’s kiss type send off to a fairly well done informative video
Me too. I didn’t think Fandom is _that_ evil and obtuse, and power play posts like the one at 10:28 are absolute shit move. I say evil because for me what they do amounts to a legitimate form of evil. Being self-serving is often okay but pretending to be otherwise, and aggressively so, is not fine.
My favourite feature of Fandom is how if you domain-block their video embed script for performance reasons, they drop a massive rectangle over the first few paragraphs and you have to open dev tools to get rid of it.
I mean they clearly want the website to just be nothing but ads with zero content whatsoever.
That is why you use Ublock origin and block all ads with it, no domain block needed.
I love it! It's like flipping off users in your website, because they really need to watch those ads!
That does sound more like an error than intentional malice. It seems that if you remove the video, it pushes the content up behind the panel that holds the video, causing the panel to cover the content. Of course, Fandom have no intention to fix this because they don't want you to remove the video, but it still doesn't sound like it's intentional.
Especially since a proper adblocker doesn't cause this issue.
Growing up, Fandom (I still remember it as Wikia...) hosted my first and only real online community for a long time. It was never perfect, but before the rebrand, it worked fine. Then the forums got nuked... you started having to click to see older messages every 20 or so... the layout changed, the ads changed...
It makes me sad to see it like this. Even with adblocker, it just... sucks. I'm happy for all the wiki contributors that manage to get theirs onto a different site.
Its so bizarre that the Star Wars and Star Trek fan communities have still not managed to make their move off fandom. Like, if anyone would have the interest and manpower to do it...
yeah. along with the resident evil, devil may cry, and silent hill wikis...
Actually, I think their size is precisely the problem. Those two properties are HUGGGGEEEE and Fandom now has accumulated years and years of information on it. To migrate away from Fandom would require an ABSURD amount of work and some information is probably going to be lost in the process.
I believe, from my own Memory, that they used to. Wookiepedia used to be its own website, but got moved into Fandom and is so much worse that it was when I was a kid, when it looked so much better and had few ads.
@@arnox4554 Plus, it's going to take lots of editors simply to fork away from Fandom.
there’s actually a star wars wikia off site, but wookieepedia might just be the most recognizable wiki name of them all. the brand name recognition probably causes people to overlook the over one. but to switch wookieepedia, like arnox said, would take forever. each article has two versions for legends and canon and every minor character, mentioned planet, piece of technology, and species has one.
As an editor on Pikipedia (17:14) and WiKirby (17:54) (the OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR Pikmin and Kirby Wikis), let me tell you that literally everyone there hates fandom.
Honestly, that's expected, but I'm glad people see the reality of that website. Anyways, Wikirby is great.
pikipedia is such a blessed name
And will continue hating it when they buy out the next wiki origin.
I guess it will stay that way until a more accessible alternative is introduced
i use pikapedia all the time thank you so much for your work
After Fandom got bought out by a private equity firm it really went downhill fast. I’m one of the open source developers of MediaWiki and even I don’t use Fandom without an adblocker. Felt a bit weird the few times I had to meet with Fandom engineers to discuss stuff I’ve done because it would impact them. Props to the people who are able to get MediaWiki instances up and running because it’s difficult even for the developers of it
Hey, I just wanted to thank you for contributing to MediaWiki. I made an instance for my year at Uni and I just think it's a wonderful project in today's ever more centralized internet.
Honestly I admire Hello Project Wiki for being able to put up with Fandom’s crap.
@@kacperfilipek8461Thanks! It’s all thanks to the people who donate to Wikipedia which lets me have a job that doesn’t make me feel like a piece of shit. I’d also like to take the opportunity to say that we welcome new contributors (in a bunch of different ways, not just coding) and we are kicking off our internship program in November (the ‘we’ being the Wikipedia Foundation)
i'm so glad the developer of a game i wrote the wiki for personally asked me to make it on miraheze from the start 🙏
Wiki editor here, I am very glad you made this video and spread awareness. One thing you also forgot to mention is that anyone who tried to edit or even talk about the Grimace page was indefinitely banned. The AI incident was also shameful, though hilarious in some cases, and I think it helped open a lot of people's eyes.
As an internet pedestrian, the AI "Q&A" is such a bafflingly stupid decision that I'm genuinely confused by how it even got green lit. How could a company that deals in fandoms as a commodity think the people deep in the wiki trenches for a niche interest wouldn't spot the glaring, inhuman errors that AI was cranking out. It feels like someone in that corporate office had to have known that an AI answering lore questions so inaccurately that its genuinely entertaining would actually be seriously tolerated by a fan community. It just seems so obviously flawed to have a mediocre AI software amalgamate lore answers (from god knows what source material) for an audience specifically seeking a nonfiction resource about something they care about
@@extragarb When they took it down after the backlash, their explanation made it very clear that some corporate guy went "whoa, AI is the cool new thing, free content and increase SEO!" and they didn't think about it any further.
It was pulling from all of Fandom instead of just the particular wiki, but thanks to your comment I may have realized what made it worse: I think they were pulling not just from articles on any wiki, but from their crappy social media forums each wiki has that's basically inhabited by children. I figured this out because it seems to be the source of my favorite example, Yona from Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. For context, Yona was introduced as the fiancé of Prince Sidon, a fan-favorite tumblr sexyman who was shipped with Link, so she made people angry. This led to the following questions on Yona's page (paraphrased)
Q: Who is Sidon's girlfriend? A: he doesn't have one
Q: Is Sidon in love with Link? A: It is a fact that he is in love with Link, which has led to fanart etc.
Q: Who is Sidon's love interest? A: correctly answering Yona, contradicting the other (wrong) answers
Q: Does Sidon have a fiance? A: Yes, she's even been given the nickname 'fsifsgbksdvbskdcjgjfdgbskdjf ugly' by his most loyal admirers!
This is what the page for Yona actually said. I looked up "fsifsgbksdvbskdcjgjfdgbskdjf ugly" to find it came from a discussions post on Nintendo Wiki. And then the AI placed this content, most of which isn’t even about the right character, on what is supposed to be an encyclopedic article. It is laughable that Fandom clearly did not test their new feature whatsoever, but as I said, it has led to some humor and exposing that they're creating digital slop.
I'm old enough to remember when Fandom was still Wikia, and what's sad is that the site didn't have the ads it does today. It all started after the rebrand where they slowly started introducing more and more ads until it basically became unbearable.
While the ads weren't always this bad, it's always been way uglier and harder to navigate than any other wiki.
Eh, Wikia had notable problems even before the rebrand (most notably the layout nobody liked), but the rebrand was definitely where things really started going to shit.
@@_Baku
Made me wonder why everyone migrated to wikia in the first place instead of making their own wikis
I was really active on a major Wikia site (the Avatar: The Last Airbender wiki) in the early 10's. I had a front row seat to the platform careening downhill. Because of that, I hate it even more than most people do. Most people weren't there for all of the little changes that compounded over time. The conversion of user talk pages to "message walls" was a big one back in the day. As soon as that happened, we all realized that maintaining the time-tested format for gathering information was far, far less of a priority to the company than turning it into a quasi-social media platform that would generate more revenue.
@@nemoguy There was a point early in Wikia's history where it really wasn't *that* bad. It always had issues, but it was very usable and not significantly more flawed than any other wiki hosting service, all while being far and away the easiest wiki host to get set up on. It was just so accessible, and didn't have enough downsides to prevent everybody from using it.
TFWiki left Wikia way back in 2008 and literally everything that's happened since then has validated that decision. It's great to see so many other wikis making the jump.
What I love about TFWiki, along with Runescape wiki, is that they always come up at top of search engine, burying their fandom counterpart, effectively giving fandom the middle finger.
@@raydhen8840 TFWiki is a giant monolith of Transformers content. It's great.
IIRC, Touhou wiki does too. Well, mainly because it forked a decade or so ago.
@@concept5631Tfwiki has more GI Joe content than the actual GI Joe fandom wiki.
@@slightlyuncomfortable That's hilarious and I wouldn't doubt that for a second.
6:08 After the Minecraft Wiki left Fandom, the Minecraft wiki on Fandom was extremely vandalized in some pretty harmless ways
That ending was so perfect, because it's just so true. You hear a line like that and you're primed for the "But", but with Fandom there is no but, just the greedy execs showing you their ass.
Honestly good demonstration of thematics and subtext
Even leaves room for a sequel to this video if the company ever locks in
I wrote a lot of fanfic, and having to use a fandom wiki for a quick lore check is always hell because of the stupid amount of ads
I know right. And the weird interview videos that pop up that noone asked for. Its like I come here for some information and instead I got a million sales people charging up to me trying to sell me things.
Don't get me started on the headache this has caused. It gotten to the point I've had to start screenshotting and categorizing stuff on my own just to make my life easier. (That kind of ruins the entire point of a wikia, doesn't it?)
Right? Before I had Ublock on my phone, writing shit on mobile was a pain in the arse because of this exact issue. I'll just be strolling around trying to find what happened in a specific episode or something, then out of nowhere a huge video that has fuck-all to do with what I'm trying to find blocks 99% of the screen
I have to wonder if those ads even influence anyone’s purchasing decisions? I couldn’t tell you what a single fandom ads about, because they’re just a nuisance I try to close as quickly as possible.
@@ColddirectorOh they influence my purchasing decisions all right, but they have the INVERSE of the intended effect: if I see an ad for something on there I'm dang sure not gonna buy it no matter what it is lmao
The frustrating thing is that both the terraria wiki and all derivatives like the mod wikis for Calamity, and Shadows of Abaddon weren't even hosted on fandom. They were on a different host that was bought up by fandom within the last few years and subsequently the rapid enshitification of the sites began from then on. And even though they've all migrated to new sites the hollow shells of the original wikis that were abandoned still get top billing in all search results.
Binding of Isaac Rebirth wiki 😢 it was on Gamepedia
calamity fandom had me looking for a rare item that I didn't need for 30min
@@LordRemiem SCP:CB wiki was also on Gamepedia... it hasn't recovered since
Same with the Minecraft Wiki
As someone who uses a shit-load of add blockers, I never realised how abrasive the Fandom ads were. Not once have I seen an ad on that website lol
To be fair, it's a *little* better when you're logged in.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 I don't have an account
They really are terrible LOL
Though, that isn't the only problem with the website.
I am so happy that the Croc Wiki community finally got the recognition it deserves, thank you Mossbag once again for your incredible analysis of the Croc videogame franchise!
On behalf off the oneyplays fanbase I’d like to apologise for the vandalism incident btw
@@Mcflycoolvideosnuh uh fight the power
i remember the classic croc poop incident. smooth moves, zach
There have been no new croc games for over 20 years
while self-hosting is quite complex and expensive, I think it's the best option! this way the internet is slightly returns to its roots being made of independent communities driven by its users!
A small VPS costs around 5 dollars a month. If you want a real actual server in a server rack, at entry-level it costs around 40-60 (Hetzner is the cheapest) per month. And if you have good internet and a static IP at home, you can host at home, although then people will be DDoSing your home when they try to DDoS the site. You can also host at home with Cloudflare (free) in front to defend against attacks, but Cloudflare is going to go the same direction as Fandom so you probably shouldn't rely on it.
The more aggressive companies get, the more people will feel insulted enough to buy server racks and relearn the art of self hosting. Its not your site if its not in your rack.
14:44 Thank you for clarifying where Ben Robinson was! I thought he was that blue cookie guy on the left and I was confused until I looked at the name!
oh man i remember the pizza tower vandalism controversey. was actually super calm in the pre-release days, but when the game came out the entire wiki got nuked
The problem is, without wiki buddy which most people won't use, fandom is pushed so far up in google searches that independent wikis don't stand a chance.
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A lot of the new wikis don't show up at *ALL* in searches because of how badly Fandom abuses SEO.
That's why these videos exist. They're to spread awareness about these independent wikis and get more people to use Wiki Buddy.
It can't be understated just how importany word of mouth is to helping indie wikis get established as well. Not everybody is in the know, so it really makes a difference for us.
The same problem exists with fextralife. There’s a Starfield wiki run by the team behind uesp but I don’t think I’ve seen it on google at all, while fextralife’s inaccurate rubbish is always top.
The problems with Wikia go back much further than just ten years, pretty much to as far back as a couple years after the site's inception. I first learned about this during WoWwiki's initial migration away from the site all the way back in the mid-2000s, and things have only continued to get worse since then. The reason they changed their name to Fandom is because it had become too widely known that Wikia was bad so they needed to change their brand to something people wouldn't recognize at first. That name in particular was chosen for, of course, search engine reasons- any time somebody searched "name of media franchise" + fandom, their site would come up. The idea that it's only in the last several years that things have gotten bad is just incorrect; instead what has happened is that a new generation of wiki communities are learning the same lessons we already learned over a decade and a half ago.
Which probably means they're going to try changing their name again soon.
Oh my god, not another UI designer's nightmare. Plus a graphic design nightmare too.
"The idea that it's only in the last several years that things have gotten bad is just incorrect"
Indeed, all these comments I see about how "Fandom used to not be so bad", and nah, Wikia was forcing unwanted stuff on their wikis, refusing to let wikis fully moderate on their own, and making their wikis an ad-smothered eyesore for well over a decade now.
Yeah Wikia's always been shit. All they're doing is becoming even stinkier shit.
The funniest experience I ever had on fandom was reading through the Monsuno wiki, where someone had edited most of the character pages to fit in their self insert character from their fanfiction. I couldn’t even find the damn fic anywhere but I admire the dedication
You gotta admit, vandalism on Fandom can't be beat.
this is a symptom of a bigger problem of companies being swallowed up by private equity firms and turned into ad machines to try and squeeze as much profit as possible out of them
I've been helping out with the Rain World wiki on Miraheze for months now and I can't say enough just how much nicer it is to be able to foster your own wiki community. It feels silly, but I feel proud whenever I see RW Wiki content on display in videos because I know I personally contributed to making it better. That feeling alone is enough to encourage anyone to switch to an independent hosting community, and Miraheze is still a great option if you're a smaller community and don't have the resources to host yourself.
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@@shuraoopepsi
Been loving the new Rainworld wiki, thank you for your work!
As one of the staff members on Halopedia, it's always great to see other wiki communities going independent. We're hosted by Porple, who hosts many of the larger Nintendo wikis + Destinypedia and the new Marathon Wiki, and he's an absolutely fantastic host to work with.
As someone that writes a lot of fanfiction and deeply loves the Halo universe in general, thank you so much for all the work you do. I'm glad Halopedia left wikia when it started forbidding people from formatting pages as they wished.
I browse halopedia all the time thank you and you and the rest of the team keeping it up to date.
also got the likes to 117
As some one that heavily uses that wiki for a lot of things. Ya you guys are real G's for having the one halo wiki thats not shit
I absolutely adore halopedia so thank you. It was my introduction to wikis outside of fandom more or less and I'm glad to see more of them migrate
Glad to see Fandom lose such big communities. I will never forget how angry I was when they rolled out some insanely aggressive iPhone ad scheme that locked the entire page down. I can’t remember what game I was playing at the time that needed a wiki but I was going crazy trying to pull pages up, I couldn’t find any way to read a single page with their new anti-consumer super broken system.
Never forgave them for that, haha.
That ending was so funny.
I’m confused though, I’ve been visiting a fandom wiki for over a year on mobile and it has never looked like this for me. I don’t see any ads.
is it possible to learn this power?
Same here
lucky for you then.
I hope fandom folds in on itself. Their rules are also so outrageous on what they consider “inappropriate” and there will sometimes be random files missing from view, essentially the company tampering with its own data (which is no surprise)
They're getting too big and own too many properties. Inevitably they will collapse. The same thing's gonna happen with Disney.
It's funny, because they had a golden recipe for success, and they still fucked it up. Capitalism breeds innovation.
@@AluminumFusion22 It's not that they are getting "too big". They monetize too hard and have to make moves justifying aggressive monetization, like adding useless features. They are well on their way down the enshittification cycle.
They do it because they can. We all need to get loud and pushy with our crappy governments until they make it so these slimy corpos can't keep doing all this crap, but of course most of us are either too overworked, too depressed or too convinced "there's nothing you can do" to realize we technically have loads more power than a handful of rich pricks with a lot of pieces of paper in their big metal cubes. We're the ones who decide that paper still means a thing!
This completely convinced me to stop supporting fandom by using it, thank you. Also, the ending was gold.
I was about to say something similar about the ending. My jaw literally dropped
But yeah, I've been using Fandom less and less lately because of the intrusive ads and shitty performance, but this video was that last push to get me to stop using it entirely
The ending really caught me off guard.
@@WhatDillionYTpls explain lol I didn’t get the joke. What did he mean lol
@@agme8045 you usually expect a "but" after a sentence like that, followed by them saying something good about Fandom, but that wasnt the case 🤣
I was a senior editor on the Mass Effect wiki back in the day, when Wikia began rebranding into what we now know as Fandom. That was over a decade ago and even back then the various wiki communities HATED Fandom even before it had a name, when it was a sorta gradual change they were implementing bit by bit over a couple years time. I remember lots of wikis voting on whether or not to move. Halopedia, Nukapedia, they left. We at the ME Wiki ultimately voted to stay at the time. Fandom was gross even back then. As Wikia it was an excellent site, but as soon as they started making changes it was clear they were trying to turn wikis into some kind of social media. And yeah, ads and ads and ads. I stopped editing because of how rabid some folks got over Mass Effect 3, not the Fandom stuff. Dealing with so many trolls and so much hate was draining. But the Fandom stuff would’ve pissed me off enough to leave eventually. I understand that hosting a ton of simple wikis might not have been the best money-making proposition, but becoming Fandom just wasn’t the right move. I miss Wikia.
I remember the Mass Effect wiki back in the day. Great site, was incredibly useful for my Mass Effect SWBF2 mod. Thanks for your work!
Thanks for the thanks! I had fun. I was literally only like twelve so I’m still amazed looking back that I did as much as I did, but it wasn’t much honestly. I mostly helped with grammar fixes. And resolving arguments between editors, they used to call me “Arbington the Arbiter” because I was good at that. lol
Mass Effect mod for Battlefront you say? I’ll definitely have to check that out, I love both of those things and they could only be even better together.
The problem for many non-english readers is that there are not many replacements. Wikigg is only english for example