SOLGW - What is the A5 system? And why do we use it?
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- What is the A5 system? And why do we use it?
Instead of finely tuning a rifle, we want to give it the widest operational envelop. The more finely tuned something is the more narrow that window. A fighting gun should be forgiving. Our goal is to incrementally improve the performance of this platform...and those incremental improvements added up absolutely make a difference. - Розваги
No comment, just helping with the UA-cam algorithm.
I’ll add on to this
@@HarryDangler69 me too!
@@l337l0gan Thanks for the help!
My comment is not a comment, but actually a reply to said comment.
@@Antykain all replies are still comments, but not all comments are replies.... Wait I might've confused myself 😅😂
I’ve been running A5 for about 7-8 years now and I can say it’s an improvement over the standard carbine buffer systems. Rifle basically cycles like it has a rifle type buffer system with the option for collapsing stocks. If you can’t find a BCM intermediate buffer system or a Vltor A5 buffer system you can run a POF 7-position anti tilt buffer tube for 308’s, a Vltor A5 buffer, and a Sprinco green spring
This is killer knowledge! Thank you
I'm curious if it would run just as well with a tubbs flatwire spring. It's my usual go too.
The flat wire springs run in carbine and rifle length buffer setups, so I’m sure that would work as well.
@@blaksabbath9108 I agree. I have just always enjoyed my tubbs springs.
@Voltaire E30 I actually have a x39 AR with an A5 system that has a Tubbs flat spring I totally forgot about lol (Yes it’s a Commi AR, don’t judge me haha)...I haven’t shot it yet but once I do I’ll post about it
I would like to thank you guys for inspiring me to build better guns & educating me on some of the finer details of builds, such as gas tuning. Whenever you get inventory available, I owe you some business.
Thanks.. !
@@SonsofLibertyGunWorks1 so does this allow to put less weight in the rear as well while maintaining a smooth and reliable gun? Say if you want to make a super lightweight rifle with an a5h0 with a mid length gas system(say like a Bcm gas port size) would that work well?surefire warcomp primarily using m855 green tip lake city unsuppressed though occasionally suppressed
Awesome info!🤙🏽 Great breakdown on the technical aspect of the component system functions. A5 it is!
Upgrading to this now as I type this. Thanks to Mike and the crew at SOLGW ☠️ Keep doing what you do! 🇺🇸
This is so great. Im gonna use this in my m16a5 concept build. So cool
I never knew the A5 buffer has a spring in it!!! Thanks for the info
I'm waiting for Stock to appear with you guys. I can't wait! I need a 13.7! I been checking like 7 times a day everyday for the past 3 months. Lol
Thanks for the good information. I've always put A2 stocks on my ARs, because I knew they absorbed more recoil than the carbine stocks.
Knowing about this system, I'll change a couple of them to it.
Thanks again!
Great explanation! Wasn't sure what the big deal was with the A5.
I’ve converted three lowers to A5. Love the setup. Better than either rifle or carbine.
Please do more of these. I know a lot but Mike always seems to educate me on something every time. Very well spoken and concise on all topics. Thank you!
Threw a A5 on my 18” and I couldn’t be happier. It’ll be going on every AR I buy from now on.
Which weight did you throw on your 18” ar? I’m deciding which to choose for my aero precision 18” wylde.
Definitely getting to know the guts of my gun due to the high level of craftsmanship coming out of SOLGW. Thank you, this is not under appreciated and most would charge money for the information you guys put out.
My boy Neil from The Exigency out of NM got me using your stuff. Good place
Must have for any AR I own. 100% worth every penny.
Interesting concept
Sold. Great explanation. Thanks.
Love that system. Patiently waiting to put my order in for the 13.7 M4-76.
I waited like 6 months before I was able to order and like another 6 to even get the rifle to me 😂 hope you get it sooner
@@bigsoftgrizzly2149 hopefully! This daily check in is such a pain. I've been late to ordering twice and that was before all the panic buying.
Thank you for the information
You guys are up there with BCM in my book. The people love you! I saw 75 lower parts kits from Sons sell out in 4 days a few weeks ago @bigtex. Wish you had more shit available! Ramp up that production!
Facts. I been waiting for like 3 months. Lol. They need more productions. They will definitely expand!
Makes a lot of sense. Was aware of the ‘A5’..just not the “working” specifics. Dang, WISH I had the extra $ for a SOLG carbine..and the NEED for an extra gun!
Once I went A5 I’ll never go back to carbine.
I just ordered a green spring from you all a few months ago. The factory Vltor a5 spring was not stiff enough didn’t seem like. My 11.5 BCM with a factory buffer tube/spring and an H2 buffer was perfect. When I got the A5 system I had to go to vltor’s heaviest buffer to get it right
That's weird
I saw a video where the ejection stayed the same regardless of what buffer weight was used with their a5 tube. It had me question if it’s actually worth it. Perhaps one day I’ll try. I use JPs which are smooth, but I’d hesitate to call it an improvement.
Solgw love there products best warranty ever
Appreciate the info
Best explanation I've personally seen.
Thank you for sharing this video.
Some of his explanations didn't make any sense lol
Yall make my favorite rifles. I cant afford one currently and to be honest my rifle ive always had works really well with my 3 different uppers. But ideal world id probably own two of your rifles one in my vehicle safe and one in my home.
Don’t be an uncle Cletus, run an A5 system!
What sold me on this product besides SOLGW is that BCM makes a receiver extension tube for the A5. I figured if them guys are also into it it's worth a try.
I'm glad I did it's definitely an improvement
I didn't want or need a manufacturer's product, but another manufacturer also makes a part to go with this manufacturer's part I didn't want or need: SOLD!
Dude.
@@CredibleHulk10
The fact that another manufacturer saw some kind of interest in what a reletively smaller manufacturer was doing usually means theres some validity there, doesnt mean you need or want it, just seems for whatever reason, it might be interesting and works. Just my .02. Lazy manufacturers have a knack for getting sloppy ans going out of buisiness eventually.
Went captive JP. Amazing improvement especially suppressed.
How does the jp captured stuff feel compared to the vltor a5 system? Spring noise isn't a concern for me, but the smoothness of the recoil impulse is my main concern. Thanks
Logan O'Rourke not sure about the A5 system, but it would be super hard to convince me the captured system isn’t the only way
@@stuckcase7775 I need to get behind a jp captured setup. Thanks for the info and experience
Logan O'Rourke worth every penny. There are other captive systems-some cheaper and just as good. I also have an Armaspec which works fantastic on a suppressed blackout
@@stuckcase7775 I've not made my way over to blackout yet. I'm slow to change my ways haha. It's mainly I hate to store another caliber I have limited space. But I got my first suppressor this year and I got a 30 cal can so once I do go blackout it will be dedicated to that rifle. I'm just waiting on the Corona time to end now haha. I heard barnaul is making AAC steel cased now. I haven't seen it, but I bet that will help
Bcm also makes a a5 tube. I run it with a tubbs 308 spring and rb5007 in my cmmg rdb 9mm build. About to test on the ks47 as it is well overgassed.
Good info
I've always used chrome silicon springs with stt2 buffer never had issues I wanna try the a5 at some point
Im a little late to this A5 game but i built an AR in x39 and gona be doing a 300blk soon, so i think the 30cal builds would definitely benefit from this
Good to know👌
I run a5s in all but one of my rifles....i use the a5 tube and rifle spring in my ar10 with a carbine buffer...it's easier on the bolt catch and runs much smoother than the typical carbine setup in most ar10s
Nice!
Super Subscribed!!!
A5 for the win
that answered a question I have asked several people with no one to reply, and that is do the weights inside the buffer have be able to move in an ar-15 platform.. thank you for answering that
Great series, what is your opinion on spring tensioning and strength?
Would be awesome if there was a chart for which A5 buffer weight to use for different barrel types
These are to our specifically because we give a shit about gas port size. sonsoflibertygw.com/frequently-asked-questions/
Helping with the algorithmz!
Going to be exciting to get my suppressor for my 13.7 solgw. December or January I hope.
Because it's the best yet
It's a great upgrade............. when you can find the damned components in stock. :(
Bro. Your shit should have been ready 10 years ago.
Keep an eye on gunbroker. Com
This. Tubes are SUPER nice, highest quality I've seen. And impossible to get 90% of the time.
BCM Intermediate rifle extension. It's not by Vltor but it's designed for the A5 buffer system. Vltor has the buffers in stock, and you can go sprinco green for the M16 spring.
@@Tyler-uc4ye I wound up with a POF a5 tube for one of my builds. The Vltor stuff was hard to find before all the nonsense of 2020 and 21. That just made it worse.
I'm going to wait for the A6
Sold!!!
Cool
Appreciate the info! Will the A5 buffer/rifle spring fit in a carbine buffer tube? Would you expect issues?
One correction to the video: buffer weight doesn't push the bolt harder into battery. It's entirely the spring force that determines how hard a bolt will be pushed forward. The buffer weight determines how *fast*--not how *hard*. Heavier buffer is slower than light, but both will have the same force behind them because that's 100% on the spring.
Kinda, I dunno tho.. The spring pushing the momentum of a heavier buffer or carrier gives more inertia to help overcome picking up a cartridge and chambering it. Ie yes the spring is giving it it's initial force, but something heavier in motion is harder to stop. This is why going to lightened bcgs and buffers can result in more failures to chamber after fully extracting, especially once really dirty and friction kicks in (it can also be from outrunning the mag spring too, but I'm talking all things tuned in that respect).
Edit- I'm no expert in physics here lol, I'm proly speculating over semantics in some regard.
@@muddyhotdog4103 you’d be correct but you’re forgetting that the heavier buffer is also slower on the close. I’ll spare you the physics math, but it works out that the energy available to strip a round is the same regardless of buffer weight because a buffer that 2x the weight has half the acceleration and thus is half the speed at any point on bolt closure. Which means the momentum is the same.
If you want more force to strip a round, the only way is more spring force.
I don't think this is correct at all.
If you throw a pingpong ball it's not going to hit very hard or go nearly as far as a baseball. The heavier the object being pushed will always go further faster and hit the target harder especially if the throwing mechanism is longer and under more tension when released. Longer spring under more tension pushing a heavier buffer will cause the bolt to hit harder making the bcg and the rifle more reliable. It's just physics.
@@Brett235 Right, but the spring isn't throwing. Unlike a human arm, the spring will launch something twice as heavy at only half the speed. Springs store energy, and they store the same energy regardless of buffer weight. The amount of energy stored is the spring rate times the compression distance. Since we always compress the spring the same amount, the only way to store more energy is go to a stiffer spring.
But keeping the spring constant, the stored energy is always the same. And the force the spring exerts is the same. Since F=MA, any increase in weight creates a proportional decrease in acceleration. So going twice as heavy on buffer causes it to be half as quick in acceleration. Which means that, at every point in the closing stroke, the 2x heavier buffer is half the speed.
It's perhaps not intuitive, but it is correct.
Has anyone used the A5 in the UBR Gen 2 Stock/Buffer tube? From what I heard,
The Buffer tube it comes with is the correct length and it’s a drop in replacement (after taking out a adapter inside the tube)
What should I use for 9 inch 300 blackout? I don’t think I want to get into the adjustable gas block or bolt carrier game. Is there a general consensus on a buffer setup that would work suppressed and unsurpassed?
Hello, on a rifle build with superlative arms adjustable gas piston kit, 6.5 grendel 16" barrel, .705, will the A5 system help? I have been reading that with the adjustable gas block, the lightest springs and buffer weight adjusted correctly will provide the less recoil with reliability. Thanks.
I like the idea. I have a ar10 from Palmetto. Do you carry or make something for them?
How well does a buffer work, if the buffer does not get warm or hot?
The buffers I work with in other applications get warm, because the functional buffers are converting kinetic energy to heat via an inelastic collision. A buffer is a device that purposefully affects the inelastic collision. Where does the kinetic energy go?
Are these just for carbine length gas systems? Or can there be benefit for a mid length system?
Glad I bought that badass shirt lol
I have an incomplete Ar-10 with a 20inche barrell I've been meaning to actualy put together forever. Buffer system is one of the few things I don't have for it, would this be a good choice
Will A5 system work on a 11.5 pistol?
Is the buffer tube actually longer? Just need their buffer tube, spring and buffer?
If it’s a tad longer, seems it would help some folks out when it comes to the 26” OAL requirement from the AFT
It’s all a matter of differential forces. All a gimmick for a better feel. Different buffer lengths and weights coupled with different spring lengths and tensions. What you don’t see being produced is a truly better system that uses progressive rate spring coils like your car has. I had to coil my own to create one. I’d say a 30% recoil reduction.
Which weight buffer do you recommend for general purpose use on a 13.7?
For the 13.7 or 13.9 barrels, which buffer weight do y'all put in your guns?
What is better for full auto? The A5 system or a carbine buffer with an H2 or H3 buffer?
This is genius
Can the A5 buffer system be used with a magpul ubr gen 2 stock?
Sounds like this system aids in reliability especially suppressed? I really want one of your rifles. How would the vltor compare to something like the kynshot hydraulic buffer in rifle length or is it even worth messing with?
Somewhere a balance of ammo spring and rifle to combat metal opening and closing. Ak-47 seems to me a bit violent that way. Thompson smg same issue but because open bolt also. Why not make buffer like a dead blow hammer/ wife to absorb and dissipate the energy of the movements?
So, how would that work for spring and bolt sound reduction?
What buffer weights do you recommend for different barrel lengths and gas systems? Are they the same guidelines as standard carbine buffers?
Which buffer tube fits best the 6 or the 7 position with the B5 Systems enhanced sopmod?
So then is this still a carbine buffer or is it a rifle buffer? Im in the process of building three rifle length ,rifles. So i need ot know if this can be used for a rifle length upper?
So if I have an a5 buffer tube, I could just get the a5 buffer/weight and run it with a a2 rifle spring?
Need this for my 18" with a rifle tube.
Amen
my a5-2 buffer weight has a small rattle not as much as a regular weight could it be from the spring inside the weight?
Will these work on 10.5” lightweight build with a low mass bcg?
What buffer weight do you recommend for A5 buffer system in conjunction with a mid length gas system??
Hmmmm. Might check it out. Compare it to the super 42
Why not just use flat wire buffer springs for more spring weight and longevity? I've never had an issue with a standard carbine buffer running FA and binary triggers.
Thoughts on the Armaspec Silent recoil system or the JP silent capture system with SOLGW guns?
From what I’ve seen and heard this make the gun feel smooth and quality but they don’t actually have any major impact as far as recoil/tuning the gun
Can't find those buffers anywhere (even before the coof)....
Vltor has them in stock dude. Not the kit though, as the extensions on the other hand aren't readily in stock anywhere. Go BCM with the extension. I don't think you'll notice the difference.
The best way to mitigate recoil is to adjust the gas to the rifle, not to increase or decrease buffer weight..Rifle Speed adj gas blocks are bullet proof..The highest recoil impulse I have felt was with the A5 system and removed it..I love SOLGW products and find their lower receivers and BCG's some of the best on the market, but I will pass on the A5 system..That said, I will use no other buffer tubes other than Vltor mil spec buffer tubes..There are none better..
In going over some old discussions from a forum, it seems like sprinco's green spring, while good, has almost excessive energy sending the BCG and buffer back home, possibly causing the nose of the gun to dip. At the very least, the stiffer sprinco spring may reduce the amount of felt force to the back of the receiver extention.
Allegedly, the vltor A5 spring is a little more balanced, using less force to beat the BCG back into battery.
Wondering if anyone can confirm this.
I use the springco green spring with the valtor a5 buffer and have noticed a huge difference in the overall reliability of my rifle especially when shooting cheap steel ammo. I also replaced the extractor and extractor spring on my bolt. I have replaced all of my buffers and springs to this system.
Need one
Great video...... For those of us who are stupid, what are the negative trade off(s) besides paying a little more for it? Reliability without a can on the end?
You can slow the cycle down too much, but that's rarely the case.
Any recommendations on what I should use for the AR57
Can I run an Vltor A5 buffer weight in a KAK A2 buffer tube/stock? Looking to run in an Aero Ar10 build
Is that A5H2 buffer a SOLGW or a Vltor? I just bought a Vltor A5H2 and it clicks unlike the one shown on this video
im no gunsmith. and i try to explain to the best of my knowledge to buddies who shoot my zuns. but i have 2 a5 systems and everyone who shoots them say that there is just something about them that feels good. they always shoot well when trying them and usually attribute it the optics but i know its due to the buffer system.
I know this is a older video. What are your thoughts on using Geissele Supper 42 rifle length spring with Vltor A5 system, pros,cons worth it over Springco green spring
Will this system work with fostech echo trigger?
Does this system work with AR-308? Or do they make a specific one for 308s?
I use the a5 system but with a rifle length super 42 spring so far I really love it
Me too bruh I'm running that setup in an 11.5 rosco barrel with an A5H2 buffer with the rifle super 42..
Is this what I should be doing with my 6.5 Grendal build?
What weight exactly do I need to run for the A5?
Can you use the a5 buffer in a fixed a2 stock??
Currently building an LR308 and have been hearing pairing a A5 with green spring an H3 carbine buffer. Thoughts?