How the NRA hijacks gun control debates
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2018
- Why is the NRA -- a group that represents the interests of gun manufacturers -- taken seriously in debates about reducing gun violence?
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After the mass shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida, news networks are once again focused on the debate over gun control. These debates often pit gun control activists against the National Rifle Association (NRA), which claims to speak on behalf of gun owners. But in reality, the NRA represents the interest of gun manufacturers.
The group gets millions of dollars in donations from gun companies every year, and millions more through the sale of ad space in NRA publications. That financial allegiance means the NRA is similar to organizations like the Tobacco Institute -- an industry lobbying group primarily interested in protecting their product.
So why do news networks keep inviting them to debate gun violence?
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Would like to see the real data on mass killings with spoons.
@@jtr9346 *bruh*
What about butter knife?
@@jtr9346 b r u h
@@TesterBoy yes
What about a *spork*
Blaming gun violence on video games is like blaming car crashes on hot wheels
Blaming gun violence on guns is like blaming car crashes on cars
@@johnlocke5167 yes and that is why they make adjustments to drivers Ed and make adjustments to cars and roads to make them safer and why they make laws like where I live a couple years ago they updated the phone laws to make them more strict.
@@johnlocke5167 funny how one is called a weapon and the other a vehicle
@@johnlocke5167 never heard of a semi automatic car. I can keep going
@@johnlocke5167 you dont hear people robbing convenience stores with cars
Lemme put it this way: EVERY SINGLE issue in America stems from the fact that they call a bribery “donation” and corruption “lobbying”.
~👄~
truth
Well don’t most places do that when there is corruption and bribery, but it’s just a lot worse in the us.
I mean hes got a point
A similar group to the NRA is Planned Parenthood
"Those violent, viscous, video games..."
Me building a house in Minecraft: Maybe im a monster...
Well you were born yesterday
You're so dangerous 🤣🤣🤣.
Trying to make my city as happy and prosperous as I can in Skylines. Maybe I am a monster 👹
Me making thanksgiving dinner for my villagers in animal crossing: maybe I'm a monster
I play borderlands. I don’t see a problem with violent video-games. They are just pixels.
*confused european*
Same. It is sad to see that in the USA money is more important than human life :(
same here
@Bugler55 We have our problems but not as bad as USA.
King Of Finland More like the entire world, everyone is corrupt. Just like in your country Finland where your citizens were stripped of their basic right to defend themselves, making it possible for the government to control the citizens, therefore giving themselves the power to restrict or promote what you can and cannot buy.
@Bugler55 you nearly do have a monopoly on corrupt politicians and lobbyist.
Got my AS-15 assault spoon today. I feel so safe now!
armaspoon 15? ar stands for armalite
Bruh it’s a joke
Armaspoon
😂😂😂😂 wow...
I would, especially if it was an ar-15
Squidward choked on a fork, one of the deadliest assault weapons.
what about homicidal samsung smart-fridges
@@flyingfish5054 Thats pretty scary😂
Stay strapped
A dresser fell on me the most dangerous weapon more dangerous then a nuke
Fork tasty
So if we can't draw a line between a spoon and an assault riffle, let's just erase the lane between bicycles and trucks, so every kid could drive a truck.
Assault rifle isn't a real word
@@destruction75723 🤔
BrosephStalin gaming yes it is? The original ar 15/m16 is an assault rife In The fact that it is select fire and has full auto capabilities. But the civilian ar 15 isn’t an assault rifle cause it can’t fire full auto.
@@Max-ey9wl thanks for clarifying. Whatever you call it, her argument is that anything can be a weapon, purposefully disregarding classification of weapons. What I did was just bringing the same logic to a different issue. It's a simple way to debunk flawed arguments. If it's valid for weapons it should be valid for anything else.
I don’t know why gun enthusiasts get so caught up with assault rifles. They’re overrated and incredibly overpriced. Handguns and shotguns are more than enough for home defense and personal defense. And there numerous hunting rifles that are much much more practical for hunting than assault rifles.
I owned an assault rifle when I was in the military (active duty). I felt I wasn’t shooting enough on the army’s dime so I bought an AR-15 to shoot on my own time, which was great. Once I shot on my own time, I scored expert 40/40 nearly everytime.
Once I got out of the army, I sold my assault rifle to to a gun store a year later. I had no use for it anymore. I still buy guns but just handguns and shotguns. There just is no real reason for AR-15s to be a commercially sold firearm. It should be supplied to law enforcement and military only (well, not ARs but M-4s)
So, companies that SELL guns to people who obviously support gun rights (evident in ones purchase) donates money to a gun rights organization ? Sounds rather American to me.
Its fairly recently an American past time. We used to have gun safety lessons in school & bring rifles to play with after we got out. No one ever got shot. If kids fought, they didn't even think to grab their guns, they duked it out. The media & music glorifies gangs, shooting each other & other illegal things.. until someone or a bunch of someones actually gets shot. Then they cry for gun control, when all mass shootings except for one took place in a gun free zone. Columbine happened during the Clinton era "assault" weapons ban with banned firearms in a school where guns were not allowed on the premises. You can draw whatever conclusion you'd like to about that
true is 100% American
Vox is an incredibly anti American platform. They stretch the boundaries of the first amendment
This is why America don't have "corruption", they have “donation”. Yep welcome to America
@@drewtruscott3683 AMEN to that, mate, you're spot on !
Litterally had a pro-gun ad play for this video.
Same
Good. It'll cancel out the bullshit you were about to hear.
@@jpm2184 Come on, man. I got a similar ad, and I'm a very anti-gun guy. Just because someone got an ad for a certain thing, even with algorithms, does not make define their political views. I appreciate the rest of your comment, but don't label people based on the limiting information you have about them.
They should put a trigger warning for their ads 😫
I got a survey about Medicare, 45's impeachment and other issues
If a spoon can be as dangerous as guns, why don't we send our troops to war with spoons?
soldiers carry their own cutlery, you know?
@@isaacvazquez627 😂👍
Ahh yes that's a good idea.
Against the Geneva Convention, too deadly.
@@groverjuicy you're right
I blame obesity on spoons.
Facts
Can someone becoming obese make other people obese?
@@Void84276 yes you can that's by sharing your junk food with other people and then their gonna share it with others and then they are gonna share it with others
You can blame obesity on processed food, not spoons. It's an industry too, just like the killing devices or 'guns'.
Nah man. It's Forks not spoons. Check your facts.
I need a high capacity assault fully semi automatic potato
Your phone?
Potato double barreled extended magazine sawed of carbine pistol 😂😂😂
Get the newest model, the High-capacity fully semi-automatic bump stock hollow point assault potato
Nah I prefer that for a gun
I need a 9mm barrel extended potato
I need a "high-capacity-fully-semi-automatic-spork"
Greg Wilson “fully semi automatic” isn’t a thing a semi automatic just means pull the trigger fires a round just like a pistol an ar-15 is pull the trigger and fire one round
r/woosh
Greg Wilson there’s already way way way to many out there...Thousands and thousands of big fat people been using them for years..They just keep shoveling it in and won’t stop
Justin Peters - I love your willingness to defend our gun rights and take the time to explain things to these anti self defense folks BUT.... the comment you responded to was from one of our own who was joking and being silly. He was making fun of the other side and how they speak about the issue. Example: (tactical heat seeking bullets with a fully-semi-automatic high powered military clip) LOL 👍🏼
Justin Peters thats the joke mate
After the news that came out today and the fact this video came out 2 years ago, I’m convinced someone at Vox is time traveling.
What news came out today?
New York Attorney General wants the NRA dissolved because of misused funds.
@@haydenman1234 Ah, interesting. Had no idea this happened. Thanks for the information.
That would be an edge for vox they will know the outcome of a political issue before it even happens yet
*is confused in canadian*
Hilarious and original
Crunchu lol
Why must we have a lot of gun lovers. WHyYYYYYYYyYyYyYy.
I feel your pain
sameeee im canadian and im afraid for americans
I got a gun ad on this video
Avira Browser safety it works .
did you get one?
That’s bad why?
Good
@@joshualocicero6799 love sig Sauer
A majority of Americans seem fairly ignorant about the basics of firearms and the gun laws that already exists.
I agree. I think people should educate themselves on firearms before they try to ban or restrict them.
@@calebkline3392 right
Caleb Kline The people who use then maliciously dont know how they work, so does it matter?
You can’t take guns from criminals - it would’ve been done already if you could. You can only take guns from people who legally own them. So, if you were to ban all guns, you would only be taking away innocent peoples ability to protect themselves. End of argument.
Chris literally just obliterated their argument without mentioning how handguns account for more shootings than "assault weapons"
Fun fact. We have the same video games and movies over here in Europe. We don’t have that same level of gun violence. Stop using that non-argument.
The reason is that European politicians were able to pass sensible gun laws and faced no opposition because they weren't being funded by gun lobbying groups. Wish that was the case here in America.
@@chadnguyen6332I haven't watched the video yet but that's completely false. They could do it in Europe because gun ownership was not WRITTEN in the very foundation it's countries.
@anguschandler4482 correct. However changing any of the amendments is incredibly difficult and changing of any of the original 10 amendments has never been done. It requires a super majority in Congress and 3/4 of the states and the president to all agree. It's basically impossible.
The NRA couldn’t care less about innocent lives, they just want the money.
I just purchased my AR -15 assault tactical spoon with a bump stock that makes it shoot 5 soups per second top grade military weapon
lol
Yep your bad self with that expensive ammo..
Welp,
*grabs popcorn*
Time to read some comments
Someone give this man a check
Someone get this man a shield.
I’m Pro-Gun.
@@bobjoe2228 so am I but to a extent
@@bobjoe2228 As am I.
Lol it’s funny. They cited there own website for evidence 😂
Their
That is what newspaper do.. They do their own research than report on it. What do you think journalists do? Just repeat what others say?
that there's some darn good journalisming.
@@vyrxcx
Uh yeah...
@@godofchaos6988 uhhh no
*confused Asian*
*PROUD* Asian
@Ramen Lover Yes
I’m an Asian and not confused. I know that putting our head in the sand doesn’t stop any criminals.
Confused whole world
I am in total agreement that news organizations need to stop validating the NRA. Naming it a lobbying group is completely accurate and the first time I’ve heard someone just come out and say it
NRA is a terrorist group. They are exactly like Taliban or IS - rely on age old laws, do not allow to change laws, make laws permanent and make human life horrible. Like Taliban or IS they create terror in public spaces and gatherings.
The NRA also has a history of promoting gun control to prevent black people from carrying firearms. They don't care about civil rights. They care about money. People need to understand that regardless of where they stand on the issue.
Ulvade was planned by some sick evil whacko! Those lives were expendable to reach a goal, those kids and those teachers didn't matter. The police were in on the plan, the border patrol was not. Ask yourself what resulted from the murders at Ulvade, who benefited from the murders? Look at the big picture and use your common sense, look at the murderer and his circumstances. Why was Kyle Rittenhouse prosecuted? Why do the politiians want to disarm the folks who never broke a law, by passing a bill that allows the government to take away the arms of law abiding citizens and ignoring due process? Because the elites have plans for the country and you're not on the winning side of the changes they have in store for us. Be prepared, we are in for some tough times.
Lol dude every aspect of the mainstream media is controlled by one or more lobbying groups, get real for a second.
@@topster888 What media do you suggest that can be trusted? It also makes a big difference what lobbying groups they are and how they do it.
"Gun sales spiked after mass shootings" I think this should convey a significant message
Seel Of Apoorval because if some normal person heard of a shooting they would buy a gun to protect there loved ones
Ang badang lmao y’all stupid it’s because the wackos want to buy a ton of guns before the big evil government steals away your murder machines
Yea, think of it like this. You live in a small town and a roberry goes down with the gunman killing many people. Wouldn't you want to buy guns to now protect yourself from this new threat?
No it isn't a significant message at all. It is because a lot of people on the left openly say banning all firearms. Its scare buying. That's it. It isn't a bunch of people buying guns because they want to emulate mass shootings. Anyone who thinks that normal gun owners of America are okay with mass shootings lives in a fantasy world. But people will be damned if they try to take stuff away. Think of it like this, the right to bear arms is a civil right and a constitutional right. It's also one of the only rights that is constantly under assault and being further and further pushed back and infringed. Gun owners are sick of it and they want more rights to things they think are cool and interesting and tbh, they have a constitutional right to them. Unless that changes gun control will never stop and there will always be a side pushing for more rights.
It does,
We the people will take arms, because what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance...
Ryan Deitch: *visible confusion*
Me: finally another human being.
Same
4:45 "If you have a problem use a gun, and if that don't work use more gun"
-the engineer, tf2
Ok so if everyone that can legally own a firearm owns and carries a firearm, who is the bad guy, who can't legally own a firearm, going to rob ? Like. Idk about you but if I'm wanting to rob someone I'm gonna go with the guy that's not carrying a .45.
@@DIMMER-mk1op can't talk in reason to these people.. Why the world is the way it is...
Who’s here after the NY Attorney General is sueing the NRA?
That happened?
yea, that happened? Did it go well, or is it still underway
ChidzHustle. It’s still happening. I just read an article where they talk about misusing money for private vacations and secret tapes of the NRA discussing their legal troubles and financial misconduct from two days ago.
Everyone... Obviously
It happened long time ago. Nothing new happened to the NRA. I guess the NRA made sure they wont be taken down this time
When seconds count, just remember the cops are only minutes away
zachary melin or in Douglas’s case, hours
zachary melin That was very well said, and I mean that.
So u agree at least for mandatory proper training for gun use right? Because if the good guys with guns are improperly trained, they may hurt themselves or people other than the shooters?
A. Ho well an easy counter to your argument would be “a constitutional right should apply to every American citizen. Even if they are poor and can’t afford specialized training”
Oh no I'm not arguing against having guns. I'm arguing against the idea that guns offer concrete security without proper training. Thank you for your cordial reply! :)
500,000 to 3,000,000 defensive gun uses a year. So, no.
**Confused Canadian Noises Intensifies**
U use slingshots?
Or sky’s?
Nope, we talk to kids in schools politely
Yeah school shooting in Canada is not talking politely.
@@orangecheese6773 since 2009 Usa has had 288 school shootings, vs Canada which has had 2. Thats a significant difference. I feel like politeness plays a small role in that.
@@orangecheese6773 also no kids were killed in either. In one instance the shooter himself asked the teachers to take the 53 students away and to safety before he started. He only killed one 43 year old and then killed himself
Comparing a gun to a spoon is like comparing a Volkswagen Beetle to a tank
I am incredibly mad. It's becoming more and more clear to me as I get older that people are far more interested in lining their pockets than coming up with solutions that help people.
It makes me think that these damned rules are meant to be broken, and i bitterly weep that I've been too naive and cowardly to thumb my nose at money grubbing fools and break them myself.
Educate yourself please
@@mikebalderston2723 No they are educated very well on this subjected
@@mikebalderston2723LaPierre is on trial for fraud.
*Gets a pro-gun ad before this video*
Shredder McScumbag lol
Shredder McScumbag LMAO
you still get ads?
Same
Same. VOX just got played 😂
NRA didn’t come to Kenneth Walker’s defense. Oh right, he’s black.
dont forget Philando Castile, also black
They always try to mitigate gun control, until it comes to minorities
The nra supported Reagan passing the strictest gun laws when the Black Panthers were rising as a powerful deterrent to police brutality and lynching
Too bad Kenneth walker tried to murder law enforcement officers
@@jasonjanoyblahaloverboy3005 That is the purpose of 2A, to protect yourself and the people from the tyranny of the govt. Or at least in the minds of only of conservatives.
to stop a bad guy with a gun just dont give him a gun.
banning guns will push all guns to the black market. still will be possible for criminals to get a gun
So he'll get it from someone else -_-
@@bedebop3904 All the guns cannot sell in black market. If something becomes illegal, the prices will increase because of the cost of the risk of getting it into the market and when the prices increase and there's a risk of imprisonment for owning a gun, fewer people will buy it.
𝙄𝙩'𝙨 𝙈𝙞𝙨𝙨𝙆𝙚𝙞𝙨𝙝𝙖 look at europe
KingintheMountain you do realize that a gun can be made, there are untraceable guns, etc. Math is illegal to make and sell yet look at it. 😂
And the reason the gun debate is so screwed is because each state is different in its gun laws.
and the Las Vegas shooter legally bought two firearms while he was on a FBI watchlist the FBI said he was good to buy a gun while he was wanted
And I do agree that money is a huge factor in the gun debate and tilts it a lot
I don’t like the nra but please take these into consideration
Blaming the nra for mass shootings is like blaming a car company for a crash. Stupidity at it's finest
If you really think some 60 something gambler just decided to start shooting people, and disregard the eye witness reports, im sorry to say, the programming is in full effect.
Landen Chaudion you are so wrong it’s incredible. this entire video is an explanation of all the times the NRA has systematically prevented gun safety laws from going into effect, despite support for them!!! and hey, maybe you would be right, but we have no idea because the NRA has blocked pretty much every study the government has ever tried to conduct on gun safety and gun violence!
@@TheKara33 You are so wrong.
If the law officials cannot keep the peace what are they stealing my money for?
Vox is so unbearably left-sided
Vox is so unbearably wrong too.
Umm, duh?
Sharrard I'm not a conservative. I don't identify with either side. Vox is one of the most biased and moronic channels to get your political views from. Every single anti gun video they drop is false and lack legitimate statistics. You can literally go to the FBI website and debunk all of Vox's statistics and counter every argument. Whether you're conservative or not, this channel is one of the worst to rely on
So true
they just wanna feel good man, it's sad but that really is it. They don't wanna be right, they wanna feeeell it
I've been playing violent games for years and I have never felt violent and I have only experienced the opposite.
Laughs in British
Just don’t get stabbed
Or ran over
@@blakedavis2447 Or shot, yes they still have guns in Britain legal and illegal.
@@Cacowninja yea but Britain doesn’t have more guns than people
@@blakedavis2447 Doesn't matter, the criminals get guns anyway. Plus there might be more guns that people since there are illegal ones.
please show where the 2nd spells out the gun types and amount people can own.
If anything as our military firearms advance, so should those of civilians.
hahah beautiful ... the crux of the lefts argument "but i don't like it" ... further this dolt thinks the founders would want the 2A restricted ! blahahahhah they are so clueless lololol
dpadil01
The meaning of the 2nd amendment has already been decided by the Supreme Court. That is why it isn't debated.
The founders were very clear about what kinds of weapons were to be protected:
The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans.
--Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
No they didnt make it broad. What do you not understand about "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"? Shall not be infringed is very clear. The purpose of it was to make sure that the people are always more powerful than the govt, not hunting. Look up the founding father's quotes and documents if you want evidence. The liberal media tries to suppress history. The fact that we cant own the same weapons as the govt is already unconstitutional.
Please debate Steven Crowder if you believe you're right. I BEG you.
And watch him kick it ass vox
Mister Tumnus he just released a rebuttal
He needs to or he can't actually stand up for his opinion because he pulls facts out of the air
ua-cam.com/video/aM88wp03DNo/v-deo.html
I would pay to see a debate but Vox and people are in his camp are to big a cowards to do so. because they that EVERY SINGLE argument they make will be destroyed by rational thought. so they blatantly call for you to ignore logic and react with ignorant emotion.
I don’t like how the Florida guys quote was heavily edited . Seems like it was chopped and put together like that .
Toby James It wasn’t.
Do you feel that he was misquoted or taken out of context... or that it was done to tighten up the pacing, to retain viewers' interest?
Is that what you are worried about after watching this video!?
It’s because they edited out the pauses...
λ which were annoying in the first place
Ah yes love at first shot, sponsored by Smith & Wesson
i would like to think they give guns to love interests, and make them shoot eachother.
I think all these shootings are unacceptable. Hell, I don't even own a single gun myself. But I honestly believe that attacking the guns themselves is a lost cause. There's just TOO MANY of them out there already. And you can easily melt some aluminum cans and making a functioning receiver with the right equipment. Bam, aluminum AR-15. So honestly, we just need to tackle the root of the problem and not one of the symptoms. Because you can easily take a car and run over people as we've seen, make bombs as we've seen, and so much more. We're having the wrong debate.
Eliminate the human race, reset button pls we suck at living in peace.
Mourneris you deserve a medal for this comment good sir!
Erik Rensberger population plays a big part, per capita the statistics aren't so bad
A key point is the 'right equipment' part. The vast majority of gun deaths are not products of careful planning and expensive resources, they are usually impulsive actions using whatever is easily available. That ease of access is a big part of the problem, it means it is much easier for situations to escalate. Shooting someone is much, MUCH easier than using something like a knife or an improvised weapon like a car, and building a gun from scratch is the realm of only the most dedicated people, people even less likely to actually use the thing.
Culture
That clip of Dana Loesch talking about fires made her sound like a female Alex Jones.
If that's the NRA's message, then no wonder they're under such scrutiny.
She should start hawking female "yoni power" pills for the NRA. That would complete the parallel between her and Alex Jones. ;)
Yeah right, absurd things are "jokes", but also "truth untouched by the media". You don't get to pick and choose what you said as "jokes" when you get exposed for your stupidity.
That was a political add during the election. Sadly Vox doesn't give the whole story. They didn't recently release this add in response to gun control being pushed or the school shootings, but Vox makes it seem as they do.
P. Why does Hillary get to do it then? Also why does Bernie Sanders get a free pass when it turns out that his wife stole millions of dollars and bought lavish luxury things for themselves?
+P. It reminds me of the abomination known as the CinemaSins channel on UA-cam. Everything you said sounds like just what they did. Check out this video by bobvids to hear all about it: ua-cam.com/video/ELEAsGoP-5I/v-deo.html It's pretty long so here is a brief article that describes why they fit the bill: www.avclub.com/heres-everything-wrong-with-cinemasins-videos-in-less-t-1820483341 The video is worth a watch, though. So, grab a sammich and a beer/coffee/beverage of your choice and kick back. Seriously though, you summed up the problem that a lot of these extreme Right wing entities have. So, that's all you really have to know. They're full of bullshit. ;)
Anybody think of south park with the episode of “they took our guns”
"They took our guns, let's stab them"
*Grabs knife*
The answer to all of this: move to Canada.
@@MuchCow9000 or sneak into people house and replace their guns with nerf guns but painted realistically
@@MuchCow9000 plot twist : gets shot for trespassing first
@@itsakorgi5874 exactly
@@MuchCow9000 that's not gonna stop criminals from getting one though
But there I can't get a gun
You used your own website to cite evidence
fizzy jack gameing when he references it as a “vox study” it sounds stupid, but many newspapers would say “we found...”. It happens all of the time.
Nice profile pic I'm a fan of Halo too
Yes, its called academic integrity. You ought to cite all your sources, even those from your own previous works.
Rabid and nick, when cite your source you own words. That’s making up facts and is divisive. Also, they don’t know the difference between a nonprofit group and a profit group.
So what?
What do you think journalists do?
These comments are going to be toxic
Aaron Hamilton Any video based on political subjects will be toxic.
Aaron Hamilton yeah hahahahahha
If the majority of Americans agree about increasing gun control, why do these comments exist?
Bilal Baig because the Americans that are passionate about guns are very loud about it
Bilal Baig because the media doesn't fully represent the ideas in this country. Trust me, there's a sizable group that doesn't want changes to gun laws, and aren't shown on television. It's kinda like (i think it was Nixon who said this) the silent majority complex, although how many there are i do not myself fully know.
Selling advertising space for gun manufactures in a magazine for gun owners is not a problem.
FYI I heard the one of the mass shooters constantly played a dancing video game. Not one that
has violance in it!
thats it we need to ban dancing all together. I am convinced this will stop all future mass shootings
Maybe it's because I grew up in a country with a long standing tradition of involving schools and students in politics, but after seeing your last video and this one - I am outraged by the disdain and neglect shown to these students. American democracy no longer exists for its voters, but for its oligarchs
Dixie Normas and how can that be? Are Americans just that much more violent then the rest of the world? Cause what you just described is not the case in other western countries, so I would like you to answer as to how come Americans are so eager to kill one another
Dixie Normas
Out of 100 mass shooters maybe 10 could build a bomb. Out of the 10 maybe 1 could make a chemical weapon. When you factor in the fact that mass shootings are deadlier than bombs, which are deadlier than chemicals, I would rather there be 1 chemical attack with 2 deaths than 100 mass shootings with 20 deaths each.
The point of law is to reduce, not completely prevent. No law is 100% effective. Coconuts kill more people than sharks each year, but do we tear down the shark nets at beaches? Not everyone can build a bomb or chemical weapon, but in the current state, anyone can very easily get a gun. The point of laws is to reduce that number. And if it doesn't completely prevent it? That's still good enough. Again, no law is 100% effective. Drug laws aren't 100% effective, we see overdoses all over the country, but we still have them. Because without them there would be even more. And less is good enough.
Just because we can stop all deaths, doesn't mean we shouldn't stop the ones we can.
Dixie Normas lol
Dixie Normas jesus christ, nothing you said forms a coherent argument. "Less guns is not gonna solve anything because people will use bombs, or napalm or blabla" YOUR OPINION IS WRONG AND NOT FACTUAL. You're an idiot repeating faulty arguments at nauseum.
Dixie Normas "Getting rid of the tool is not going to help anyone or anything." Literally every single study into that subject disagrees with you.
Wow how manipulating of vox. Not one of them talked about how the FBI and officers the people who are supposed to protect us failed on stopping the shooter before the massacre happened. No member in the NRA killed anyone in fact a few stopped a mass shooting. Ending the NRA won't even stop 3% of the gun violence in this country. Why because the majority are from hand guns. But yea let's not inform that
Funny how they want a big nanny state but tend to hate police in any other context.
Key Strix which makes it so ironic
the point of this video was to inform the public on how the NRA is manipulation the public system and government. nowhere in this video do they say that people in the NRA are killers. they are just pointing out the fact that the NRA is preventing the safety of the people.
Laura Groundwater How are they manipulating the government. They have no control of government decisions idiot. And thats what was being said at the Town Hall. Preventing safety how, over 5 million members and not one involved in a mass shooting. The people who are supposed to provide safety are the officer's and FBI in which they failed. Do you even know the NRA were the first to recommend a gun control act? Do some research
Laura Groundwater, please show me in the Constitution where Congress is granted the power to infringe on natural rights in the interest of public safety.
NRA: Let's stop gun violence!
People: How???
NRA: BRUH buy more gun
Let's stop gun violence!
How?
BRUH ban gun so only criminals have gun, just like South America and mexico
Ulvade was planned by some sick evil whacko! Those lives were expendable to reach a goal, those kids and those teachers didn't matter. The police were in on the plan, the border patrol was not. Ask yourself what resulted from the murders at Ulvade, who benefited from the murders? Look at the big picture and use your common sense, look at the murderer and his circumstances. Why was Kyle Rittenhouse prosecuted? Why do the politiians want to disarm the folks who never broke a law, by passing a bill that allows the government to take away the arms of law abiding citizens and ignoring due process? Because the elites have plans for the country and you're not on the winning side of the changes they have in store for us. Be prepared, we are in for some tough times.
"Shall not be infringed" is supposed to mean something. Stay away from our RIGHTS.
Yeah, and the people who made that amendment are the same people who supported slavery, didn't give women, blacks, native Americans and non property owning males the right to vote. And also, Thomas Jefferson advocated that the Constitution should be changed every 19 years, because he believed that as America changes, the laws must adopt to the new changes of the country.
And also fun fact: when the University of Virginia opened in 1824, it prohibited firearms to be used and bought into the campuses. And two founding fathers made that prohibition, now who were those founding fathers?, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. The authors of the Second Amendment
@@TheKnowledgeMan101 A minor point, but I believe the U of Virginia was established in 1819 and not 1824.
Students were prohibited from having guns on campus but not guns in general. A student of that age could own a gun at that time, and the prohibition didn't ban guns on campus. It didn't allow students to have guns, but there was no prohibition of faculty and staff having guns on campus.
Again, there was no law at the time preventing people that age from owning guns. A rule at a college is not law. The school I went to didn't allow us to chew gum on campus, but there was no law preventing us from chewing gum. The school could do nothing about our gum chewing away from campus.
Debate Steven crowder if your so passionate about this but you won’t because your wrong
B3LIK3BL4K3 lol
B3LIK3BL4K3 naw Ben Shapiro
My wrong?
not sure what you can say is wrong-- NRA is a paid for group by gun makers and that is the topic. Rest of the world also achieved gun control and it works. You just dont want it because you that terrified of fellow Americans
HodgePodgeVids1 dude back off, the redpill has potentially fatal effects
A century ago, the fledgling car industry created the term 'Jaywalker' to victim blame pedestrians....
See _Adam Ruins Everything_ or _99% Invisible_ if you're interested.
Blaming video games for violence is like blaming water for the titanic.
@Natalie Wayne ALRIGHT TIME TO BAN ICEBERGS
Another way "stop a bad man with a gun" is to create a just, equitable, compassionate society that does not produce "bad men."
Yeah unfortunately no society has “no bad men”
You can wake up now.
I too like to live in dreamland.
there will always be bad man lol
@@clement6173 I'll give up my gun when I'm the last bad man with a gun :)
I'd like to live to see the day a criminal stops at the sight of a "gun free zone" and respects the sign.
tvdave1 I'd like to see the day that criminals can't get guns, but sure.
Laura Beth just like my home country, Mexico bad guys can't get guns but they get them anyways, But that's none of my business
tvdave1 I wasn't talking about legality
Laura Beth his point is that criminals will still get guns in some way
Oh, if criminals aren't going to follow laws, then why have laws at all?
But what if I sexually identify as an ar-15?
You'd be an Ammosexual haha
lol
that needs to be on a t-shirt. lol
That would be non-binary, sir.
Are we just gonna forget the fact how Dana Loesch could barely speak during that town hall?
I will never respect NRA after what they did to black panthers
That happened a long time ago bud.
What did they do?
Well that’s like saying you’ll never forgive the Democrats because they’re the ones who fought to retain the right to own slaves 🤷🏾♂️
Killer D nice try buddy but I hate dems also. Plus I’ll never forgive Bill Clinton for mass incarceration. And I’ll never forgive Biden either
@@justadummy8076 the parties have done a switch a roo :)
I enjoy many of these videos, but sometimes I click off literally just because of the comment section.
Glad I'm not the only one who does that
Stella Moreno the problem is that if you enjoy these kinds of videos, you must be somewhat leftist. That’s not a dig at you or anyone else, it’s a fact. Vox is extremely leftist in their views, so no one that disagrees with their views will enjoy the video. That’s just a fact and that’s the problem. “Too much hate” comes from people annoyed that vox almost never uses accurate, bipartisan facts and examples, instead, they demonize the right and idolize leftist views, representatives and companies.
Good don’t come back
Xplosives, Yeah, I dislike the fact that so few news outlets provide multiple sides to a story. Thats why I dislike so many large news cooperations, (in north america atleast.) Vox is bad, but atleast they research their stories and don’t blatently lie, or fabricate evidence to support their claims. Vox also reports about important issues such as climate change, while many other news outlets don’t mention it or even deny it, and exist purley to mock, and agrivate people on the left side of the political spectrum. No political leaning is “better” but I find that these days, religion, climate change, and even basic things like equal rights for LGBTQ people, is split between the right and the left. Climate change for example is an easy to explain, unbelievably important part of our world now days but it seems that only left leaning poloticians acknowledge it’s existance.
Oh no, diffrent opinions, how awful
Brilliant comparison to big tobacco.
Sir Alfred Lawrence The video did not talk about both tobacco and guns being civil rights. It talked about how the NRA, which is funded by big gun companies, is similar to the tobacco companies who formed the tobacco Institute, as the two groups made up distractions and fake issues to evade the questions of the consumer.
A cigarette is not going to protect me
A a good guy with a guy will
Sir Alfred Lawrence Funny, because the NRA isn't actually a civil rights organization either.
Henry Stax i would too
Tobacco isn't in the Bill of Rights, and it's still legal to use for anyone over 18/21 so it's even less regulated than guns currently are.
I'm pro 2nd, anti NRA. I care about citizens, not companies.
Nobody has broken into schools and attacking with spoons
A 3rd grader at my school tried and failed lol
gun control debate at this point as a discussion about public safety needs to be a discussion among civilians. The NRA as a Weapons Industry representative has no role to play in this discussion and need to be barred from civil discussions platforms.
Alexandre Mars ikr
That’s a norm in any civilised country, apart from US where businesses, who want to sell you as many products as possible and beyond that don’t give a crap about you, tell you what’s good for you. Not to mention that they don’t really hide the fact of sponsoring lawmakers, which they call “donations”. Outside the US it’s called bribery.
Yes lets take your freedom of speech away also while we are silencing people, right?
Wow so now their trying to take the first amendment away too. The NRA is representing their 5 million members (civilians).
I am the NRA! Thank god for them....although I am an Atheist or Agnostic IKR, but ...I Cant think of a more appropriate use of the statement. You want mine you are more then welcome to come and take them. Be warned though you will be treated like any other felonious invaders that encroaches on my domicile. Have a great day.
Every time there's a gun related video do you guys also get the ad that "I got arrested for having a concealed gun"?
Viictor yep
Yep.
+Viictor Yep. and It's good
Rhiro Yonve Yep. It’s good that the conceal-carry guy got arrested.
+TheTooginator Nope. It's good that the ads are playing. Let the information roll!
You forgot to mention about the millions of lifetime members that are law abiding citizens that contribute millions of dollars.
Life Member here.
4:36 does anybody know anything more about that lawsuit? Like when it was or against who?
one fewer.
Two fewer.
3 fewer
great, I get likes for people who relate and comments from those who think vox is a great news source.
You watch vox regularly?
Notice how much they edited the democratic congressman’s interview
Did he say something that is also relevant or contradicts the Point?
Have you heard of much politicians talk?
Nobody needs to hear all that
People seem to forget that a person who carries a gun is not necessarily a criminal until it is used to make them one. Anybody can become a criminal.
My dad was a Sargent in charge of a gun squad in WW2 under Patton. He was an extreme marksman and fought from Normandy through the Hedge row country and all the way to Bastogne. I've never seen anyone more experienced with firearms . He was requested to train snipers and SWAT teams after he got back which he turned down. Dad wasn't fanatical about firearms ,but firearms seem to be everything he was interested in ,and his knowledge of firearms was as good as his shooting skills. Sad to say but he probably was a very good killer. When he was promoted to a Sargent he was given a Thompson, pretty much the same as the AK types or the Auto Killing guns . He turned it down. He had clearance to shoot at any police ranges with no reservations. His shooting skills astonished anyone around him and especially the police. He squirrel hunted with a revolver and I never saw him miss . One time leaving a police range an officer followed him out and asked him if he was joined up or with the NRA . Dad just replied "No". The officer said " Hank with your skills why wouldn't you join" Dad just dropped his head and "No I'm not interested in the NRA " ,and we walked away. I was only about 7 years old and I never questioned his opinions about firearms , but I wish I knew the answer or the reason why . I've never joined or will ever join the NRA , but what I know for myself I wouldn't and maybe I know his answer.
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Currently in Guns politics, NRA is not favored by the modern gun enthusiast
We support gun owners of America. That’s the new hip organization.
NRA been found to have anti-gunners in the organization
Or as I like to call them constitution traders
Oh, so the nra getting millions from gun companies are bad, but democratic candidates getting BILLIONS from organizations should be overlooked? Explain that one vox
@whyputaname2 ha,ha,ha that's funny, terrorist organization. Lmao
whyputaname2 I didn’t know fighting for our freedoms equaled terrorism...
Nra is national rights/rifle association
Yeah, except one sells things that kill people. The other doesn’t sell anything besides votes.
Dubilyoo falling back to the old and overused argument of guns kill people? Really? And also the ones you are referring to who sell the votes also want to take our freedoms so?🤔
There is no constitutional right to tobacco
so let's amend the constitution, giving everyone the right to bear tobacco, and we'll see how things go for you next time someone tries to invade your house.
@Asher JM Leask "find possibly the worst pro-gun argument there is"
What argument is that?
Debating SCHOOL SHOOTING SURVIVORS on how dangerous guns are is the dumbest idea I can think of.
Your being sarcastic right ...
If the they aren’t a civil rights group then why are the aclu arguing for the nra in the surpreme court?😂😂
It's true, though. You _can't_ argue with the NRA because you _can't_ argue with people who won't _listen._
lazyperfectionist1 same with the other side of the argument
Well, when you survive to a mass shooting that happened because a kid was able to put his hands on an assault rifle I think you have a reason to not listen to what the NRA says.
BD Brandis that’s such a flawed argument. Societies change and evolve over time. To say that we as a society should constantly stay the same is ridiculous.
Omnipresent Baguette that CNN debate says otherwise.
Thomas Newton Yes! Society changes. Something changed in society that causes these mass shootings, we need to pinpoint that detrimental shift in society, and figure out how to reverse that change.
This guy is a liar. Assault rifles are not legal to own.
Shhh, it's Vox. Facts and logic are not allowed.
With a hefty tax stamp, extended background checks, also the price of a car you to can own a Fully automatic rifle in the US.
Eric there is no such thing as an Assault rifle
Papa Johnathan you can't own a fully automatic rifle
Dr. Ezekiel yes, you can in the US. It just takes a shiz ton of money and paperwork.
Yes, we need more good guys with guns. Part of being good however is proper training then they MUST carry their gun safely wherever they go. This is so simple people.
Mass spooning 🤣😂😂😂🙄
Ban assault cars, no more than 10mph and 10 gallon tank. Anything more is a vehicle of war, only for killing
i dont want gun, I WANT A TANK!!!!!!
You can actually buy a tank.
Chase Messer yeah but if america want protect second amendment rather legalized AR-15 the gorvement should subsidized tank to affordable price rather a good guy with a gun we have good guy with a TANK!!!😄😄😄
I want 2 TANKS!!!!!
I want both
Fine, im getting the F4 Phantom II
The more I look at the comment section, the more I believe your continent is lost. Speaking as a Finnish person.
@@CharlesObryan you are the laughing stock of the world
@@CharlesObryan Obviously you don't understand the free world extends beyond the borders of the United States (coming from an American, by the way). Finland has much tougher gun laws than the U.S. and is one of the freest (and happiest) countries in the world.
@@CharlesObryan < this clown really think people people outside the US is gonna think they're a normal well adjusted individual living in a well functioning society after starting a sentence with "i have 54 guns to protect myself"
GamePro0012 that’s CLEARLY because there aren’t ANY other factors that contribute to that WHATSOEVER. There is more than one difference between the US and Finland, stop making it seem like no other factor is responsible. (For example, they have a fantastic education system that the US doesn’t have)
@@xplosives1752 You built a strawman when you claimed I was making it seem as though tighter gun laws are the _only_ thing that makes Finland as free and happy as it is. I was just saying that the idea gun nuts have that you must have strong gun rights to have a free country doesn't hold water. I never said it was the _only_ factor, and I know that there are many other contributing factors such as the education system there (arguably the best in the world).
Can someone explain how lobbying and donating money to politicians isn’t bribery?
The U.S. government forces people to lobby. Look at what happened to Microsoft in the 90's. This is a problem
"The most notable difference between bribery and lobbying is that bribery is in secret with the intent to deceive or mislead. In contrast, lobbying is typically in the open, intending to inform and educate."
It's really not that hard. They are trying to defend the constitution and defend law abiding citizens. I don't see how that's bad.
It's really bold of you to assume that the interest of the gun companies is somehow different than that of gun owners.
Go debate Steven Crowder please
That would be quite an event to watch.
they wont. liberals hate debate and logic and linear thinking. They are all about feelings and propaganda and lies. Thats it.
R the same reason why you made a paragraph to prove that he was basically stereotyping. you both are just trying to prove that your oppositions are just as bad. simple.
I wish they would. Unfortunately I don't think they have the balls to do it.
Beerus - God of Destruction i read all that you wrote in beerus' voice and it sounded beautiful in my head.
Steven Crowder just uploaded a video asking for a chance to debate, I believe more then just a few people would like to witness it. This channel seems to be very passionate about guns. Discussing this with the right wing party is more effective then telling leftist what they already believe. To be frank, its not going to change anything.🤝🇺🇸💖
Agony Salazar I was just watching it but I had to finish watching this first.
loud mouth crowder only does that. he is unable to actually refute something, but he's good at spewing bullshit at a rapid pace and convincing his fans that he's somehow right.
just look at potholer54 and his videos debunking the bullshit crowder spews....
like potholer54 says, the problem with the debate format is that it can sometimes take half an hour to look up one bullshit point crowder makes, track the source, and pinpoint precisely why it's wrong. in a debate format aint nobody got time for that.
sabin97 I found his channel. However couldnt find the video about disproving Crowders gun statistics. If you find it please link it?
"loud mouth crowder only does that. he is unable to actually refute something, but he's good at spewing bullshit at a rapid pace and convincing his fans that he's somehow right."
Have a specific example or just going to argue a generality that cannot be disproven?
"just look at potholer54 and his videos debunking the bullshit crowder spews....
like potholer54 says, the problem with the debate format is that it can sometimes take half an hour to look up one bullshit point crowder makes, track the source, and pinpoint precisely why it's wrong. in a debate format aint nobody got time for that."
ua-cam.com/users/potholer54videos
And yet this user has no videos addressing Crowder.
"There is no discussion anymore. Conservative want to take away our weed and we take their guns. Fair enough."
A better comparison would be abortions and guns.
By John wick standards...a pencil is a weapon
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT SOME PEOPLE STILL DON'T REALIZE THAT ALL THAT GUN LAWS EVER DO IS MAKE IT HARDER FOR HONEST PEOPLE TO BE SAFE--- NOT CRIMINALS!!!
Most of the recent arguments arnt about “banning ALL guns” or “tyrannically stripping your rights” it’s about restrictions. But the NRA, like most politicians, only seem to be interested in their profits
Jeff C not really most people trying to ban guns dont understand anything about guns
Daniel Solomon Guns shoot, guns can kill, guns are dangerous. What else should you know about?
Jeff C Leftist elites have a videos confessing, It's impossible to take away American guns in one simple step, So the solution is to take them piece by piece, One regulation at the time to bring out one world communism order, And you pro more regulation people are helping them to achieve this - In they own words "Keep telling people that guns are the cause of death, We literally have to brainwash people into thinking guns are dangerous" Look up the video. The left end goal is to dis impower people while empowering the governments.
Scooby and 3atarfire you guys are so delusional its depressing
See my post on why that's not the case. Submitted about 30 minutes ago
Who is here because of Steven Crowder's rebuttal?
Edit: I've never gotten more than about 20 likes on a comment, but this got almost 380 in less than 24 hours.
Yep!!
Seems all your likes might be the lazy part of the crew!
He destroyed them as usual.
Zachary Lankford me lool
me
Ah yes, I play rainbow six and now I'm a counter-terrorist.
Blaming the NRA for gun violence is like blaming the AAA for car deaths.
Debate Steven Crowder if you're serious about honest debate.
Put your money where your lisp is.
Jake I agree, Steven is a champ.
>Steven Crowder
>Honest debate.
LOL.
+Iambic Pentameter If only I believed Crowder was open minded enough for that to matter.
TheRedRaccoonDog I've been watching Steven over the years and I've actually seen him change his stances on certain topics quite often.
More so than I've seen left wing publications like Vox.
Jake 🙏😂 they will actually learn something right
I would have a conversation with anyone but people listen to respond not to hear or understand.
I’m pro gun.
Word. Most people aren't antigun. More folks need to understand that.
im anti - being shot
Santiago Ferrarri *A well regulated Militia,* being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
A well regulate Militia is referring to the people. Thomas Jefferson once said “I like the look at the militia as the people as a whole” he’s not talking about the national guard or state militias.
What in "Shall not be infringed" do people not understand?
People have the ability to think, why?
@@geekyradical4985 obviously you must be a turnip then
Gun is fast and strong, but deep down we all know that Pen is mightier.
The strongest are those warrior poets who can wield both.