The gun solution we're not talking about
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- Universal background checks won't fix America's gun crisis. But there's something else that might.
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It seems like after every mass shooting, politicians talk about expanding background checks for gun buyers. But background checks don't actually do a great job of keeping dangerous people from getting guns. What does? A licensing system, where before you can buy a gun, you need a license from the state.
* Dig deeper into Massachusetts' licensing system on Vox.com:
www.vox.com/2018/11/13/176580...
* And read the Johns Hopkins research on gun licensing:
www.jhsph.edu/research/center...
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Watching Vox as a foreigner be like
"The measuring system we're not talking about:
This is a meter"
@@theintrepid7583 whoooosh
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Spot on.
A metric spot. On.
Metre
Metric is taught in all American schools
As a Canadian tradesman I say it honestly depends on the job. Metric is nice for tiny machining and manufacturing and stuff. Imperial is good for building houses and in Canada ya gotta know both and I like imperial more
Why is "unlicensed dealer" even a category?!
They buy guns for a normal price and sell it without a check with a higher one for profit. The manufacturer sells more guns and the middle man makes some money too. No complaints from the state
@@FMSkyLoL that's the problem though, they saw money and policy stopped there. Here, whether you buy or are gifted a gun, you need a license and getting one of those is a drama and a half.
They pretty much made up a category, private sales do happen but they are almost always between friends and family. And the gun show loophole doesn't exist.
There is no such thing as "an unlicensed dealer." Seriously. A dealer, by definition, is licensed by the Federal Government. If someone is buying and selling guns as a business but has not federal license to do so, they care committing a felony.
Isaac W YAY someone with sense
It's sad that the Vox videos resurface after years and are still just as relevant because the issues are not yet resolved.
Why not just dearm the population ban gun sells completely
Fr
Very true and it is not just Vox, it is any other informational video from any news channel or other channel.
My thoughts exactly.
True. Every time I see a recommended vídeo of Vox from many years ago, I question myself what tragedy happened recently.
“The current universal background system is flawed” because some government employee failed at their job to update information to a database.
Solution: more government employees to fail at their job.
Typical throw more money at a problem so it goes away.
Most accurate comment I’ve read in a long time
in more socialist 1. world countries it kinda works this way - and it's not necessarily terrible in idk, Germany
@@Luca-sz5uy Those countries:
1 - Don't have as many people
2 - Don't have as many guns
3 - Don't have as many cultural differences between citizens
4 - Don't have a right to own a gun
Why not make murder illegal? Problem solved
Dude this is such a smart idea!
Original joke! Comedy Genius! Certainly never heard that tired out ad homoninem before!
@@124085 Hominem*
Yes,I suggest a purge every Wednesday.
Murder is illegal in many states. Abortion is murder.
It’s almost as if criminals don’t follow the law. Huh, who would’ve thought?
And yet criminal law is still a viable system of managing violence.
@@nathanlevesque7812 Yeah, criminal law is supposed to stop criminals, not hinder law abiding citizens. Police could probably catch more criminals if they just indiscriminately scooped people up and then released people that were proven innocent, but I think people would have a problem with that.
@@Nanofuture87 What you described would violate several human rights. Whereas the measures discussed in the video represent a minor inconvenience at most. Vehicle registration is not "hindering" law abiding citizens anymore than that. Both make crime more manageable.
@@nathanlevesque7812 The measures discussed in the video would turn a human right into a privilege and get people killed.
@@Nanofuture87 No, to all of that. Guns are not a human right, no matter what your backwards country enshrined into law. Neither are swords, grenades, flamethrowers, bows, or laser cannons. Weapons are possessions. The only rights that relate to them are those of property in general.
Owning a gun is no more a right and no less privilege than owning a car. Regulating both saves lives. That's why America is this massive outlier of ridiculously high gun death rates, compared to every other 'developed' nation on Earth.
“Shall not be infringed.”
2nd amendment doesn't cover people with mental illnesses or fugitives so licensing isn't infringing on the 2nd amendment. Try again.
@@roadtrain_ Explain
@@Hater_Ultima look up the 2nd amendment on the constitution's website, then check section 2.4. I'll quote:
"The Court did clarify, however, that nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of firearms, among other presumptively lawful regulations."
This makes licensing constitutional, for you are imposing conditions and qualifications on the buyer. It also makes denying felons or the mentally ill constitutional.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
@@roadtrain_ A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed
i dont see that part
Every person or dealer with an FFL is Federally required to run a NICS background check on every firearms sale. Also, 21 states currently require the same background check to be done even on private gun sales. Meaning if someone wants to sell their gun to their neighbor, they're suppose to go to a shop and have the same NICS background check done to legally complete the sale. I find for some reason the "we must have universal background checks now!" crowd rarely knows anything about this.
America: Says thing.
Europeans in the comments: *Our time is now*
Or.... NOW
Or NOW!
Whoops, did you mean The Entire World?
I WAS CHOSEN BY HEAVEN, SAY MY NAME WHEN YOU PRAY, TO THE SKYYY!! SEE CAROLUS RISE!!
Why americans think that every non american is european?
The one and only solution, possibly the final solution is the full legalization of
PRIVATELY
OWNED
RECREATIONAL
NUKES
Is that intentional?
Yes it is.
you too? 🤙
All in favor?
Aye
Who come here after elementary school carnage in Texas. Deeply condolence to those children and their family.
@@unknownunknown7882 Did you not listen to the part of the video where they said instant background checks don’t work on their own?
@@unknownunknown7882 Wow. Scared to even talk about the carnage guns cause!
texas pack
@@BitterKatze Nothing, including confiscation, will end evil.
@@thethirdman225 This is about the decay of our culture. The gun didn't do it.
you do realize there is a background check at gunshows right unless its an illegal sale it has a background check
Hey it's not our fault, and i thought our logo was cool...
FBI
It is. They’re just jealous.
@@BikieMC Wut
It is. They just don't appreciate it or anything else you do. They just sit back and say bad about you.
The logo is ight
But it's very outdated, least compared to current government logos
Lol dude
“People who haven’t done anything bad yet but may do something bad in the future” aka every human
Helicarriers from Captain America Winter Soldier lol
This doesn't make any sense. Your statement indirectly says no human has ever done anything wrong.
@@Chris.Pontius key word is may. Obviously the majority of people will never do these horrible acts, but if you look at things like the milgram shock experiments, Stanford prison experiment, or even historical atrocities like the Holocaust and Abu Ghraib, it’s proven that the majority of humans have the potential to do bad things. It just needs to be drawn out of them. I was only commenting on that.
@@Chris.Pontius at some point in time, they had done nothing wrong, that is their point.
So, yeah, do what other countries do instead then
As a german citizen, i can confirm that this is a certified US moment.
Fr I’m getting sick of these shootings
@@iq_monster2755 well, yea can’t disagree on that one
@@iq_monster2755 cry more
@@jhh600 what kind of response is that? Do you have no morals?
You have 50k American troops on your land. You might call them "allies" but they are occupation troops since 1945. Tell me why can't Germany have nuclear weapons despite having c. 90 million people and largest economy in Europe? Slaves in your own land. Certified german moment.
The 2nd Amendment isn’t for hunting or target shooting.
Technically, government agents can be targets
"the solution no one is talking about" except the rest of the world.
Then again it's a problem the rest of the world doesn't have.
@@justaguy6216 it's a problem the rest of the world already solved.
@@Oscar1618033 Hence they don't need to talk about the solutions anymore.
@@justaguy6216 What is the purpose of your comment
@@RKKPvP Shitposting really
3:41 Massachusetts out here lookin like a pistol doe
I never noticed that untill now.
Wow
I'll never unsee that now.
Ironically that's where Smith & Wesson's headquarters is located. 😂
Let's require a background check to enter Massachusetts
"Background checks" are just a different way of saying, 'government permission is required to exercise a right'. Criminals can aquire guns without a "check".
So there shouldn’t be drivers license tests right ?
@@remcinematography5307 u can drive a car without a license
@@braydensurvivez on private property. You can’t drive on public roads where you can put others at risk until you prove you’re a capable and responsible driver. Same accountability should apply to guns.
@@remcinematography5307 background checks have been weaponized before to take weapons from vets as they are classed under the spectrum of mental instability by PTSD. Like the fact that murder is illegal and still can be done you can drive minus the legal part .
@@remcinematography5307 You can certainly drive on public roads without a license. You are required to have insurance too, but there's also uninsured motorist insurance.
An actually good educational system would help a lot as well as a decent health care system. In addition firearm safety education is probably even more important
The government constantly fails to provide quality services over and over again, and you want it to have more control over our lives?
Bring back firearm's safety classes for schools.
And generally make the american population happy again because everyone's mental health is gone down the drain
"the air force failed to send his domestic abuse conventions to the FBI"
*excuse me but did you say the air force*
Yea the military has its own court system FYI it’s called JAG
Yep, sounds like someone didnt do thier job. Why would someone take my rights away for someone who didn't do their job?
@@alejandrocavazos1400 bruh what rights. KAREN alerrrt
@@walikazmi7613 Right to own arms?
@@walikazmi7613 Umm, it's called the 2nd amendment. The right to "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". Like it says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Why do you guys keep interviewing your own employees
Frrrr
@R. Schowiada71 I know right. So ignorant.
To answer your question, it was more of an artistic choice I take sometimes with rhetorical questions. I use it to make them dry statements, as if I was exhausted rather than genuinely confused. It'd only need a question mark if it was an enquiry. Does that answer your question?
Because they can't find enough people with real facts putside of their clique.
@@anthonyg8680 Gotta scare people into hating guns somehow. Remember, if we banned guns, all violence would disapear.
Motorcycles are dangerous - Have a long training and license system. Makes sense. Guns are dangerous - "You seem cool, here you go!"
Driving is a privilege. Not a right
@@gone4winter and neither is the individual owning a gun lol
@@toastymctoastface7532 no. Owning a gun is a right. Have you not read or heard of the bill of rights?
@@gone4winter yes I have. It states that you can have a right to bear arms if you are part of a government organized militia. Militias were replaced after the war of 1812 by the army and the national guard (Mainly due to how disastrously the performed). Owning a gun individually in this country is not a right, its a privilege.
@@toastymctoastface7532 what about the second part of the sentence? The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Are we not the people?
Y'all don't understand shall not be infringed
Why am I watching this I'm irish
I'm African and really actually should be watching this because of all the racism. And also because why not.
@@davidlayne8359 stay away from us ye Yanks
James Scully we’re coming.
@@macthedog4729 Haha.
Don't worry the British will be coming back.
@@randomstuff9005 . . . No they won't lol
It’s funny how the checks are literally “are you a criminal?” “Have you committed a crime?” “Are you a fugitive running from justice?”
Edit: This was just a joke intended to poke fun at the fact that there is little to no purpose in including questions when you will be checked anyway and your answers won’t change your background so if you were to lie they would find out, if you were to tell the truth they would already know from your background, and it is highly unlikely that people will confess to crimes that they are currently committing or plan to commit. I also apologize for the poor wording because when I said “the checks are literally just” it implied that there were no other steps or factors to the background check.
Why are guns legal for anyone in America😯well not for anyone but for a normal citizen who hasnt done anything and just want protection, why was this law established😶
@@CereaIkilla December 15th 1791. Just do some simple history research. You'll find that different decisions made in outdated times don't last too well when they might've been a good idea back when they were first introduced
@@CereaIkilla second amendment.
@@ham6303 yeah second amendment has been simultaneously amazing and incredibly destructive for this country
@@spencersundstrom2658 destructive? Can you give an example on how is it destructive?
100 years later america :
'The gun solution we're still not talking about'
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In my opinion, the police or the troops should come to call every American citizen at their home to see if they have guns there and then the police or the troops can take them away from them and then destroyed all the guns. The Second Amendment should be repealed, because it is very irrelevant to America's deadly gun culture which will lead to an inexcusable reality.
@@thetruthsetsyoufree1492 but if they take my gun than how am I to protect my family from criminals who don't care about the law.?
@Jim boswell Surviellanc The more guns are there; the higher crime rate continues.
Peacekeeping troops can be warranted to take all the criminals’ guns and other weapons and send them to prison.
@@thetruthsetsyoufree1492 Asking for Civil War, Mate
3:28 right here is the problem, this time last year in New York the State would have considered you “dangerous” for not wearing a mask. Who decides who is potentially “dangerous”?
"Shooting guns is kinda fun."
-Vox 2019
I mean it actually is.
Living in Austria, not owning a gun or owners-license (but a handling license so i can shoot at a shooting range with a rented weapon)..
haven't done it in years because ammo is expensive but it is fun
It’s not kinda fun it’s really fun
@@stalkinjaguar8854 Some people find it fun
@@trollolololololol2361 Shooting guns are fun. Almost all the people in my life who I have known to have shot a gun, regardless of political stance or opinion of guns, thought that it was real fun.
It is very fun also when hunting
“And if that won’t work. Use more guns”
-Engineer
I solve practical problems
For instance, how am I gonna stop some big mean Mother-Hubbard from tearin' me a structurally superfluous new behind?
200th like
modern problems require outdated solutions.
😂
I feel you were inaccurate about your statement about guns shows. You showed a vendor supposedly not doing a background check. This is not true. Any dealer at a gun show MUST follow rules for form 4473. A sole individual, walking around, could sell privately without background check but this, in my experience, is a very small occurrence at the shows I have attended. There are also frequently ATF personnel observing any supposed transaction for numerous reasons.
It's 'thoughts & prayers' season, boys
Comes every year...
I just went to a gun show a few weeks ago and saw first hand that I could NOT buy a gun without a background check...
It's not impossible, it's just that virtually everyone at the show to sell guns is a dealer, using the show as another avenue to move their inventory. They're required to do background checks regardless of where they move that inventory at.
@@lewis616 I doubt it, but it's possible. The only thing I can see changing the situation was that gun dealers were having trouble keeping guns in stock, so they might have been selling at gun shows less frequently. On the flip side, though, most gun owners are appalled at the idea of selling their own guns.
@@ixiairisborne1695 Nah, as someone already said its because commercial gun sellers have to do the check regardless of where they sell the gun, citizens don't have to regardless of where they sell it. The gun show has no effect on the check, just who the seller is.
Most of the sellers are gun stores, and you have to go through a background check. The loophole really is private sales regardless of venues. If you had run into someone at the gunshow who was a private person and wanted to purchase their gun, they wouldn't have needed a check. Same if you saw a local online listing for a firearm from a private person. Gun show loophole sounds better than private sale loophole though, so the name sticks.
@@lewis616 no
America: adds universal background checks
Criminal: illegally buys one
if guns were this heavily regulated, illegal guns would come from china into mexico, than into america along with fentynal, meth, street heroin, cocaine, cheap labor etc.
@@trollpolice You're ignoring the guns the US government sends to Mexico, to be illegally sold (fast and furious). :)
@@trollpolice they are highly regulated doesn't do anything exceot put good people in danger of prosecution
@@TheMattTrakker Shhhh, we're not supposed to talk about that.
Trollol Police Mexican cartels already get a majority of their guns from Russia, and South America.
Imagine having a stalker and not being able to buy a gun in time because of this law.
that's the reason police exists
@@FuriouslyFamousBG "Police are minutes away when seconds count." -a wise guy somewhere
This is how it works in the UK. One added difference is that you need a use, so if you're a farmer for example then you have a use for a shotgun or rifle for pest control/hunting etc. It's a reliable system but the main problem might be that even when the laws were introduced in the UK (there were several mass shootings including in the 80s by someone with an AK47) few people really had guns, in the USA there are a lot of guns already in circulation so criminals will still be able to get them unfortunately. We still have shootings, there was one near where I live a few years ago where 6 people were killed, but overall the system is far more robust to find the bad apples and prevent their access to firearms.
Whilst there may have been a few shootings in the 80s probably due to Irish war since the 90s onwards it is rare in uk
If I'm not mistaken you also cannot have military type weapons in the UK, no?
Our use in the USA has always been since our founding and will always be to check on any government that contemplates becoming tyrannical.
I need no use to own a gun.
@@billalumni9142 that's a good thing but u know a background check and a seminar and how to properly handle a gun does not prevent good people from having a gun right??
Im in california, background checks for every purchase , yet guns still end up in criminal hands.
Vwtroy troy who could have guessed!
"Fast and Furious" brought to you thanks to obama and holder!
you have to have a background check for every gun purchase across the country... even at a gun show or an online purchase. You will never regulate personal sales because your never going to know who owns what to begin with, so "universal background checks" is just a feel good fairy tale that will become a registration... another fantasy unless you go door to door looking to see who has what and finally it ends with a confiscation.
they don't understand that regulating the law abiding citizens just takes the weapons out of their hands but does not deter those who would use it for crime.
Politicians : Make more gun laws
Criminals : Doesn’t comply with new laws
Politicians : *hmmm*
to quote Homer Simpson: "TWO WEEKS!? But I'm angry now!"
Probably fist fight is another solution.
MechaMicro
Knife... People just use different means.
Gun buy back, Bans... All been shown not to reduced homicides.
@@Robert-cu9bm then how come the US has a homicide rate of 5.3, while not a single other developed country has more than 2?
Even the safest of all 50 US states (NH with a rate of 1.0) is less safe than:
Slovenia, ireland, taiwan, australia, netherlands, new zealand, poland, portugal, spain, greece, italy, austria, czech republic, switzerland, south korea, china, norway, oman, indonesia, singapore, hongkong, japan and about 20 other states and territories.
And that is your Nr 1 safest state with the lowest homicide rate by faaaar!
Hungry for lead?
@@DesertCoyotes most of those countries (except the east asian ones) have just as diverse populations. Montana on the other hand has less than 1% black people, virtually no latinos, no big cities and very liberal gun laws. Yet still has about double the homicide rate of the worst developed countries.
All those safer countries are very diverse: there are asian, european, middle eastern ones. Rich and poor, more and less developed, thinly and densely populated ones, more and less religious ones. But the one thing they all have in common, is stricter gun laws than the US.
99% of shootings that are criminal in nature, the person committing the crime doesn’t legally purchase the weapon. That’s your problem! The criminals don’t have harsh enough punishment! Selling the guns or using the guns illegally that needs to be addressed with the some ferocity.
Bingo! How many laws or 'safe spaces' are violated when someone illegally gets a gun and shoots up a school. More laws are not the answer.
We used to have a law called OPERATION EXILE that cracked down on illegal gun possession for felons. It worked but was repeated because it put too many blacks in jail.
The government knows if they didn't keep crime running high they would loose power and money so they flood our country with criminals let them out of prisons so they will go commit more crime to put fear in the public who then turns around and says please masters save us then they say only if you give up your rights and submit to what we tell you.
We have let them turn us into a weak country.
The USA which is the greatest country on earth, has 25% of the world's prisoner population.
it seems a simple problem that they don't want to solve
That’s the gun lobby. Most law abiding gun owners don’t really care unless they are extremely politically polarized.
They want more shootings to happen until they have more leverage to put more drastic laws into place “complete gun ban”
3:42 The state of Massachusetts looks like a gun
Whoa. Don't think I can unsee that. Thanks for reminding me.
That means we need to get rid of it
You become what you use
The whole state needs a background check 😅
@@Spodie before they do background check, it need to go through licensing check.
I love how all of the comments are from outside the US
Yanks remember Hitler and Stalin disarming their subjects via licensing and registration schemes, then confiscating and disarming them. Mass slaughter soon followed. We Yanks remember.
@@rampantcolt1684 To be fair. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dead Americans is a small price to pay to give a person the right to go to a local government building and start murdering people that he sees as tyrannical.
Humans literally reproduce themselves automatically. God given rights are eternal.
@@BadgerUKvideo buildings have security and metal detectors. Stop being hyperbolic.
Rampant Colt I don’t think our government is going to systematically start murdering us
@@That-Will-Do-It to be fair. A pro gun guy is the last person you'd want to ask about guns. 99% of them utterly fall apart after they've repeated their 3 talking points they got off of Fox News. It's amazing really. Total lack of knowledge
As a Missourian, that licensing had nothing to do with the rise in the homicide rate.
what did then?
Missouri is probably the meth capital of the USA or close to it. Mexicans cartels started taking the 1%ers turf. St Louis and Kansai City urban cores both had major gang wars. Not to mention if you look at the chart. Homicide rate went up before they got rid of licensing. Went back up again around the time drill music came about.
@@rachelherway7379 shooting the criminals that try to harm you or jail them
@@joshuaoverlord5327 huh I guess I could see that... where do you get that info from though?
Also as a Missourian I'm pretty confident that if we took st louis and Kansas city out of that then there would be very little gun violence shown on that graph.
Youre missing the part where the Bill of Rights wrote what the government is NOT allowed to do. One of those passages says something about, ohhhh I dont know, the government shall make no laws infringing on the right to keeo and bear arms. 🤔
You also didn’t read Section 2A of the constitution which essentially states that licensing gun owners is *constitutional*
Try again.
@@chadzahirshah2588 please support this claim.
@@chadzahirshah2588 what part of it said that again? Because we regulated meant ti be in good working order
Try again
@@bryangreen9889 “well regulated militia”
@@JBarnes917 Really? So when we say that we need to “regulate” corporations we are not saying placing limits but rather making the corporations in “working order”?
YOU try again.
Background checks are required at gun shows. and has been required for years
Imagine vox not knowing about guns. I've never bought from a booth without having a background run.
@@flopus7 As private security I worked gun shows for several years and purchased a gun at one of them. I was not able to leave with and had to pick it up at the vendors brick and mortar store, after the background check was completed. It has been that way for years.
@@adamchelate3498 im agreeing with you
Depends on the state but I think they were mostly talking about private sellers
The first thing they do is ask for a ccw license , I don’t get it
Well, Dave Chapelle suggested having every black person go out and apply for gun licences. Things will move really quickly from there.
its actually a good idea
I agree, too.
There's been numerous cases of black children in open carry states (ie, where they are allowed to carry real guns in public) being shot dead by police just for holding toy guns, so in reality, no black person is going to apply for a gun licence, as it would just get them killed!
@@lilaclizard4504 It could also get them not killed, is the thing.
@@ironraccoon3536 Guns can't stop bullets only shoot them.
Lol. Restricting law-abiding citizens to counteract law-breaking citizens makes PERFECT sense.
Yes it does.
@@augusthawkins2971 What? how? Please explain to me.
The whole point of the video is the opposite of what you took away from it.
@@augusthawkins2971 did you give up your license cause other drink and drive ..???
Well… a drivers license is required before we can legally drive a car, I think the licensing thing makes common sense .
Are there still car accidents? Yes but the odds are lessened by passing the test that is requiring the license prior to legally driving .
Guns, just like cars, are not toys! And nobody came to “take away my car” when I got my license.
Where does it say " right to keep and drive cars"? RKBA is "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"! That's why one needs a licenses to drive unlike no license needed to RKBA since RKBA SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!
Motor vehicles, like alcohol, tobacco and sugar are industrially-produced revenue-generators for the corporates and govt. Despite the massive levels of death and suffering caused by these things, they will never be banned or meaningfully restricted. It's about markets and profit. Public safety is not a priority.
It’s just a piece of card. It doesn’t effect the mentality.
No one came go rake tour car away .?? So nothing was stopping you from driving without a license.
@Doc Brown Give me an address and I will send you a free pair of rose- colored glasses!
I have brought a lot of guns at gun-shows they still background check
exactly most people believe everything they hear on the news and from politicians
If the people that want to restrict guns more would just go buy a gun themselves they would instantly change their mind.
It's Vox, people come here for the comments, not the facts.
Because you go to known sellers with licenses. A lot don't have them and don't abide by the background check law. You can also buy a gun privately from literally anyone with a gun and not have to go through a check either.
That's good but it still doesn't prove wrong the point of the video with licensing
"The Air Force failed to send his domestic abuse convictions to the FBI"
And we all know innocent citizens should be punished for the government's failure.
So government f's up, and it's up to the people to pay for those mistakes?
@@tonycj7860 people already paid for the mistakes i.e the 26 church goers and all other mass shootings
@@atheist28403 we're not punishing you by making you get a license
@@KaiTungNg yes... yes you are... that is a punishment for everyone
The background checks are a joke
"Remember your weapon is only a tool you can't just shoot you have to think"
-KJ
I thought this was going to be something innovative and interesting but instead it really hit us with the
"you'd have to take this thing called a 'firearm safety course' and get a little card that says you have a 'license'"
I can't believe I never really noticed that the stuff America is lobbying for or considering drastic measures are the same things that I've been doing in my country for years.
I have a better, simplier and safer solution: ban guns , even with the license the criminals will go to the black market and adquire them so there is no sense in staying legal, also if this cant be done then only sell guns of certain caliber just for self defense purposes and before anyone can get one they have to go to a mental examination with a psychologist obtain a certificate that prove they are not POTENTIAL DANGER, and not forget to ban the use of guns outside the house very important
@@adrianmoyano6780 A total ban just has the problem you mentioned yourself: then they will just go and get illegal guns. Gun owning shouldn't be illegal. But getting a gun should be troublesome enough so that only people who are actually enthusiastic about guns will get them, but not too hard that it would be just easier to buy from the black market.
Getting illegal guns is another problem from this problem. Neither solutions will stop from someone getting guns illegally. To stop that, needs another solution
Ban guns then criminals are the only people that can get them think that through buddy
@@eljerc5894 Not necessarily when some people think it's an unfair fight and buy guns illegally just in case.
Tbh, I don't think that most gun safety advocates actually think that universal background checks will have a huge effect on gun homicides. Rather, it's more of a symbolic gesture to get the people who have historically been unwilling budge on these measures to do literally _anything_ preventative in that vein. I'm sure licensing is in fact a better and more effective path, but it's also moving the post, which will likely make the 2nd Amendment people jumpy
Yea in Poland same idea was proposed and after that we lost our gun rights in no time now only 1% of poles are armed and each time there is mass shooting in Europe this licences getting harder and harder to obtain
If someone commits an act of violence with a gun they obtained illegally, then they are entirely to blame. If someone commits a violent act with a gun that they obtained legally that they should otherwise have been prevented from obtaining, then society is partly to blame. Society cannot prevent all gun tragedies, but it must prevent the preventable gun tragedies.
@@thePronto I completely agree
If it's presented to people like this, I think most people will be on board. It's really just the next step from background checks, which most people, including those who are self-affirmed NRA members support. It's doing SOMETHING, rather than sitting on your hands. Is it enough? Probably not, but sitting around and waiting for a perfect solution isn't getting us anywhere, so let's take that reasonable next step and see what happens.
@@HallowqueenCrafting I would love to share your optimism, but we live in a country that did nothing after a grown man walked into an elementary school and shot children. I agree that this video presents a more _logical_ and effective course of action, but that doesn't mean the ignorant or self serving people who are resisting change won't try to spin it into something far more nefarious
A good idea in a perfect world where governments never go tyrannical; we don't live in a perfect world.
The obvious first reason for firearm posession is never emphasized nor even mentioned 🤔...
You are not going to defeat the government with an AK47, the sale of weapons in the United States is not about freedom, it is about lobbying, making a profit
Do you all know what an "infringement" is?
Vox:
Americans: Sounds long and expensive
@@bilqisconway Karens are some of the most pro-gun control people out there. Moms Demand Action is basically nothing but Karens.
bilqisconway box is all wrong here
vox is wrong the constitution says so "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
@@bilqisconwaythey wouldn't have a problem passing a system like what they said if 66 or 75 or 96 percent agree as they said.
the theorist 1 You do realize politicians make the laws, not the citizens. Guns have a MASSIVE lobby. You should be able to get a firearm to defend yourself, but some don‘t buy guns to defend themselves but to hurt others. With a licensing system every US citizen would be able to get a firearm except the people that want to take the freedom away. I don‘t see a problem there.
This sounds great. Gun licenses should also expire, so license holders are checked again when they apply for an extension.
Zed Vee this already happens in almost every state it’s just not mandatory. I leave in Ga I’ve had my license for about five years
that is how everything works in the rest of the world i think
Can’t buy a gun without a background check at a gun show. Private sale is different. The law already states that you cannot sell to someone who couldn’t pass a background check. At least it does in Texas
They do every 6 years in MA.
@@poeticsim9469 So what you're saying is ENFORCED gun expiration law?
Fun drinking game idea: Take a shot everytime they lie.
Where
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
United States Constitution, Amendment 2
Filling out a form ->80% of people will instantly loose interest to buy a gun ;-)
Benjamin Meusburger you also have to set up a time to meet with the licensing police officer in your town who asks you some questions, finger prints you, etc. (at least in MA). Could definitely see that deterring some people.
You already have to fill out a form to buy a gun from a store ;-)
Particularly in countries like Australia, where you have to wait 2 months after applying to actually get it, so it can't be a spur of the moment or anger motivated reason, so it's perfect
Same system is implemented in Poland and now only 1% of poles are armed because this licences are getting harder and harder to obtain after each mass shooting this is very dangerous for gun owners if it got implemented you will lose your 2nd amendment in no time , btw I am polish so i know what I am talking about
This is what gun manufacturers fear! Will result in a reduction of sales, so can't have that!
This is why they fight against it so hard $$$$$$$$$$$ over lives
Ok so let's get the candidates to talk about this instead of background checks in the next debate...
Good luck with that
@@martinxy1291 you mean in a democracy the politicians are not representing the will of their electorate? The horror!
@@martinxy1291 thanks. Lol
You'll have to clear that w the DNC, and you already know how they feel about substitute single issue debates. They wouldn't want to insult their donors!
🤧
Massachusetts has a good system, people should need to vouch for someone to get a gun
Owning and possessing firearms in America isn't a privilege given to us by the government. It is a right we have as Americans. We don't need a permissions slip to express our opinions about officials, and we don't need a permit to attend or avoid churches. We don't have to prove that we're the "right" kind of American before we can purchase a gun. Once we accept someone's subjective definition of who can and cannot keep and bear arms, we've become subjects rather than citizens, because the definition will change to suit those in control.
Tell that to the children being slaughtered by a man with a gun. Time change, we need to screen people to see if they should have a gun.
Exactly this. Also, background checks even in theory are fundamentally flawed. If someone cannot be trusted to own a firearm, they really shouldn't be out in the public in the first place. Nothing is stopping them from going into a hardware store and building pipe bombs, or molotov cocktails...
Europeans: *Wait, you guys have guns?*
Eh... Kinda no. Serbia, Montenegro, Finland, Norway, Switzerland. All of those plus more have one of the highest gun per capita stats
Mexicans: No... But yes
KONO DIO DA!
Switzerland: *”am I a joke to you?”*
@@dmitrikaljuznoi1323 Guns are illegal in Norway unless ypu count hunting weapons
@@dmitrikaljuznoi1323 most of those countries only allow certain types of guns. Pistols are almost impossible to acquire and shotguns and bolt action, or self loading, rifles require lengthy screening processes for you to be allowed to own one. That means you can't own any flashy guns like a .50 cal desert eagle, or an L96 AWS. In the US you can just go to the gun store and pick up whatever gun you'd like to try out at the range. Personally I think that's awesome.
1:10 "Shooting guns is kind of fun". Haven't heard something more American than that!
you know there are olympic events that involve gun's right?
@@joshuaijaola2145 and they train at school? hmm now school shootings make sense
i mean its not wrong
@@derp8184 no one trains with real guns at schools. They used to be and there was in fact less school shootings back when some American schools had "shooting clubs"
I mean come on guns are cool
Every time I watch these videos it amazes me about how little they actually know about gun purchases
huh, strange how all of the states with the gun licensing system have high gun crime rates
A man walks into a gun shop and sees that the clerk is a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
He asks, "What's with the small arms?"
Rex says “razor sharp teeth were on sale on Amazon”
Just made my day!
This is lame but hilarious
Ba dum tssssss
No.
Isn't that how it's done almost everywhere in the world?
Yeah, that's how it's done almost everywhere in the world
And in many places in the world, you simply can't get a gun, period. It is simple and it works.
In the civilized world, yes.
James Wong And in the places you can get one, they are actually used for hunting or as a hobby, not to do mass shootings or rob someone.
I thought they had a license thing that wasn't working but not that there isn't one lol
Problem is...this could be abused.
Example: A citizen, who owns her father's hunting rifle, decided to submit a complaint form against a police officer. She later visited a gun shop to buy a more efficient firearm to better protect her family at home, except she discovered she was denied because her local police department suspended her permit.
years ago they did this in Texas and many honest people were denied because the sheriff just didnt like them
Most cops aren't that corrupt, that's unlikely.
hey everyone. Go to 'Newest first ' in the comments, and watch the stupidity soar through your screen.
You are always required to fill out a background check at gunshows. I was at a gun show the other day and everyone was filling them out
Maybe in your State, but in About 30 States allow Cash and carry, for private transfer.
@@aolvaar8792 that's not a gunshow thing. That's a private transfer. You'll still need to go through a background check if you don't find a dealer doing that at a gunshow in those 30 states.
@@louisryan5815 There are "swap meet areas at gun shows, where individuals can sell, swap, barter, cash and carry, …..
GPXD used the totality word "always" and "everyone"
Not true
@@aolvaar8792 ONLY ONLY ONLY if the seller is not a gun dealer. Just like I can buy a firearm from my neighbor or in the parking lot of a police department when transferring between two people who aren't dealers.
@@jamesscott6917 follow the thread, GPXD Quote " You are ALWAYS required to fill out a background check at gun shows."
21 states Do Not allow Non-FFL transfers.
"Cause shooting guns are kinda fun"
Spoken like a true American
Edit:thats alot a likes
Try it it’s awesome
I’m an American but still
its true though
Bruh I get scared by shooting a bb gun imagine a real one
@@Josue.e closest thing ive gotten to a gun is a bb gun their kinda nice to shoot with
I shot clay disks this summer from a hunting shotgun. It was really fun. And I'm from Europe.
unrelated but its sad that we feel the need to protect ourselves by buying a gun
We don't live in a utopia. The sad reality is that there are people in this world who mean to do you harm.
If you think waiting 10-20 mins for police while your life is in danger of a threat that would do you harm then feel sad
I went to a gun show in tx for the first time at the beginning of the year. All the tables who where license dealers did background checks. But I did see a lady offering a trade/swap.
“The FBI databases its outdated as their logo”. 😂
thats not even true though
It’s not though, Vox is 100% lying
Shots fired, amr
Not to mention they are criminals themselves.
Nah the FBI is too busy spying on Lolicon and weeb looking for Loli-Related Activity.
As someone who did a background check for all of my firearms, all of which I purchased at gun shows, I find the misinformation about the 'gun show loophole' that is spread EVERYWHERE to be incredibly frustrating to hear.
@@ralphlaguna5433 There isn't a loophole, what loophole would there be? Everyone has to pass a background check at a gun show. In fact everyone has to pass a background check in order to purchase a firearm. Period. It's that simple. If you are not passing a background check to purchase a firearm you are breaking the law. It's really that simple.
Please, explain to me what the loophole is.
@@reezethevampire it depends on the state. They are pointing out that this is not federal law
@@samuelehrhardt3732 You are just wrong. Yes, it is a federal law that you get a federal background check whenever you purchase a firearm.
@@reezethevampire no, dude. Look it up. It’s state by state, federal law only requires this for licensed gun stores
@@samuelehrhardt3732 Right and if it isn't a licensed gun store it doesn't have a license to sell meaning it is illegal.
I'm in West Virginia. We can buy a gun and conceal carry without a license or training. In other news, gun violence has increased in our state...hmmm🤔
May2022 Texas school shooting: yep, time to make the checking take 3 weeks, safety course, and age limit of 25+ since every school shooter has been 17-19yrs old.
set my comments to recent as soon as I heard what happened at texas, something needs to change
The average mass shooter is 33-34 according to statistics I've found, and the Vegas shooter was 64 (for a particularly deadly example). More age discrimination doesn't seem like the right answer here. If we really wanted to discriminate based on a demographic characteristic of nearly every mass shooter... ♂
I have been to many gun shows and the background checks are just as strict as buying it from a gun store
22% of the people buying guns are not subject to background checks
you mean just as laughable ?
@david edwards Well what law do you propose we create that criminals will follow?
so not where near sufficient, I see.
Never been to a gun show where there weren't people sitting at a table, filling out background checks
In Switzerland we have a licensing process for firearms. It works greatly and we‘re still 4th worldwide of most privat owned firearms :D
I am an American, and like the Swiss system. By my understanding, ALL young adults are REQUIRED to undergo military basic training. It is at that time, if they show any signs of mental instability, they are banned from owning firearms. Everyone else ( the majority ) keep their military rifles at home with them.
You are also sensible people, mostly...
In the Yew Ess of A however...
@@RankinMsP What you will NEVER hear on the liberal controlled news is that 80% or more of the "firearms violence" is (1) gang related and (2) concentrated in the Democrat controlled cities. If one were to remove the homicides in 5 cities in America, our death per capita from firearms would be miniscule. Want to know what cities those are? I will let you do your own research on that. You might find it illuminating.
@@JugglesGrenades in Norway we like the swiss have the same system. But you cant buy a hand gun whit out a reason. Like a shouting club.
If you feel scared you cant get a hand gun for safety.
If tou whant a rifle ore a shotgun o
You can only get one if you need one. Like hunting and shunting clubb. And we are stil having more.guns per person then the swiss and almost no killings buy guns. And miletery is mandetory.
@@jrnbrste5469 I never believed the problem is access to firearms. If someone could "magically" make all firearms disappear, criminals would use knives, clubs or whatever weapon is available. Where I live, I can legally carry my pistol, but businesses can put up a sign, saying they don't want concealed weapons in their store. I just break the law, and keep my pistol on me always. Having been a victim of violent crime, it's a trade off. I prefer NOT to be an easy victim again.
Nothing can get me to understand why Americans feel the need to have guns. Someone PLEASE explain this to me
Sport, shooting guns in a firing range is fun
Self defense, hunting, sporting, recreation, collecting.
@@randomhuman2595 Where I'm from, you can use guns for those purposes but you don't have your own gun per se - you can rent it out at the designated venues. Does that not exist in the US?
Militia, for defense against foreign and domestic threats, ex. invasion and tyranny respectively.
Also makes for good home and personal defense, and is a nice backup in case of an inability to buy food, now hunting can fill in where food storage, gathering, and farming are insufficient.
@@Mimi-eu7tz because owning a Firearm is Right here
You have to go through a background check at a gun show
@little drane that would be out side the gun show argument stands
* Laughs in European *
Milo The Dilophosaurus Britain and numerous other European nations survived both wars without capture.....
*laughs in Asian*
@Milo The Dilophosaurus don't forget it was the Soviets that killed the most german soilders
@@rn-zu5ld dont forget the vast swathe of military equipment was american lend lease.
Ya, you guys can have that 50% income tax, we're good.
Some times I wonder why I care about others country’s problems
Your strength is your empathy.
Where r u ?
Lol same. Anyway the US is sort of a role model for a lot of people so what happens there could replicate in other countries
It's not really a problem unless you watch far left news which is 95% of source
Albraa Tahani-Mazen I am from Norway 🇳🇴
Honestly if we were guaranteed that banning guns would stop gun violence i would gladly hand them over. But its just not possible. Its putting a bandaid on a severed artery.
Yeah it's never gonna happen unless all guns are registered or there were no guns in the first place
Out of curiosity, can I ask why you think that is?
@@justaghostinthesea Illegal guns
A licensing system for an inalienable right? No we're not going to do that, no.
let's see how US, in the future years, is NOT going to implement it :|
Exactly. Give the US a comprehensive and reasonable solution to help reduce any major epidemic, and it will immediately be tossed in the trash.
Nikpick100 because it makes too much sense and there’s data to support it
Simple: 'Citizens United' and the NRA...
@@laurenthomas9305
The solution herein proposed is neither comprehensive nor reasonable.
Licensing is not a "solution" because it simply addresses "impulse" purchasers, and only when you become initially licensed. Once issued, it no longer impacts the "impulse" purchaser, who may now "impulse" purchase to their hearts content. If the present background check system were better designed, managed and implemented, such that it was more regularly updated and with data from those various sources mentioned, it would accomplish the same thing as the licensing without the added wait time.
I should add, that while the wait time could, in theory, temporarily keep guns out of the hands of individuals with criminal intent, for a short time, who have yet to prove themselves criminal, it is OVERWHELMINGLY more likely to temporarily keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens who may be harmed as a result of them having to WAIT to receive a license for their firearm. A woman separated from an abusive spouse for example, may be in need of a firearm for her protection in a matter of days. Make her wait 3 weeks and it could cost her life. A new family moves into a rough neighborhood, robberies and burglaries are regular occurrences. They decide the situation is dangerous enough to warrant purchasing a firearm for the first time in their lives, for purely defensive purposes. They are forced to wait 3 weeks. Week 2 their house is broken into and they are shot and killed.
There are two sides to this "wait time" nonsense. There are more law-abiding citizens than criminals, so "wait times" would disproportionately impact the ability of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, over criminals obtaining arms to commit crimes.
Let's not and keep our rights, thank you. It won't "fix" anything anyway.
If you’re buying a gun at a gun show there’s a background check.
The video talks about how even the background check is flawed so it doesn't really change anything.
The video itself is flawed lad.
@@rae1557 So the State police and the FBI database are not good enough?
@@Kingsman4101 not a US citizen so I wouldn't know exactly but so far it doesn't look very promising.
Rashed Abdu Trust me, the FBI knows more then Vox does
Laws and rules only apply to those who will follow them. Put stiffer penalties on those who break them and find the cause for the shootings. We as a nation have more than enough data to look at as long as the people looking ask the right questions
Tell me you've never bought a gun without telling me you've never bought a gun.
I lost all my guns in a boating accident
Why did you have so many guns in your boat? Are you a pirate?
With the way things are going in America, being a pirate dont sound too bad. It's better than sitting around waiting for a stimulus check that may or may not come.
ARRR
Ain’t this place a geographical oddity?
That’s better than losing all your boats in a gunning accident.
*YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A BACKGROUND CHECK EVEN IN A GUN SHOW*
@Robert Slackware California and Illinois have significantly lower homicide rates than many Red States in the South such as Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana.
You know states have different laws, right?
@@SUPERBACON667 I replied to a different comment so my bad
Depends on the state. In Texas, with a private bill of sale, my cousin can just hand me a gun and a piece of paper only he and I have to sign and I can yee yee out the door.
depends on the gun show. I been to ones where they made me do the background checks and I been to ones where they just took my money and gave me the weapon.
And here we are, a video that was uploaded 3 years ago is jusssttt as relevant as today, and shows the same issues as today.
:30 seconds in and you are already incorrect. Gun Shows do require a background check before they can sell one to you.
if you buy a gun at a gun show you still have to do a background check
thank you, people don’t even bother to research stuff. it’s literally a federal law to get a background check, and there are few situations the transfer of a gun to another person is aloud
illa corp then that would be person to person as he said.
@@djbdyckfbsgsg9176 You mean *allowed* and theyre talking about deals that go down in the parking lot etc. Do SoME rESeaRcH
@Bob Bobbington wrong, they often cite sources directly implying they actually do want you to look it up
You don’t have to....it’s perfectly legal for a gun deal without a background check to take place
I’ve never met a gun show vendor who doesn’t do a background check .....
Kevin Cifuentes I know right? I’m from Cali and they always told me they had to do a backround.
@@MarcoGarcia-lg5tl That's probably the issue, go to Missouri or Texas and Gun Shows might be more lax on doing background checks
@@SuperJBgaming Not factual, sellers at gun shows all run background checks. You can have a private sale at a gun show or in the parking lot from someone you met on FB. Gun shows have nothing to do with private sales.
@@SuperJBgaming In Missouri you are required to do a background check!
The explanation for that is pretty simple. If you hold a FFL or Federal Firearms License, you have to do a background check every time you transfer a gun.
Here's how it works; If you're a FFL holder, every time you obtain a gun whether it be through trade, sale, whatever, you have to log it in to a log book. The ATF is the governing body for this and they will come to your place of residence or place of business (if you own a gun shop or something like that) and check your book and the guns in your possession to make sure everything you have is logged in properly. If one gun is missing in the book, or you aren't logging them in correctly you could loose your FFL. In that log book you need to write down the make, serial number (if one exists), name of the person you got the gun from, and date in which you obtained it. When the gun is sold or transferred to another person in any way, a background check of the person obtaining the gun must be done and the gun must be logged out.
The normal situation at these gun shows is that those that have vendors and are selling guns have an FFL. All guns there have been logged into their book before the show. Once a gun is sold, traded or even given away, that gun must be transferred out of their books and a background check must be completed.
The "loophole" that is always talked about is when some guy with no FFL decides to rent a vendor space at one of these shows to sell his guns. This is rare though because most gun owners do not have enough guns that they want to sell to justify renting a vendor space for a day. A non-FFL holder can legally do hand to hand sales if the person they are selling to is from the same state as they are and as long as it is not a handgun. Each state is different, but this is is the case in even the most conservative of states.
Basically, most people with enough guns that they want to sell to justify renting a vendor space for a day are FFL holders and that is why you go to a gun show to buy a gun you have to do a background check.
EDIT: I should also mention that getting an FFL is quite an in depth process. It takes months, with multiple background checks, and even a few in person interviews between yourself and ATF agents. Its not like its just some online check that anyone can obtain in an afternoon.
There is literally no stopping it at this point. Everyone should just arm up
what😭😭
Im sure giving everyone a gun wouldn't cause any mass shootings whatsoever.
ah yes 'the solution to putting out the fire, is to blow more oxygen onto it'
@@nzredwolf4048 there is no solution. Protect yourself and your family or be a victim
@@RainG36 having guns for protection is ONLY a USA thing. Here in New Zealand, i don't know if i've ever SEEN a gun in real life. Let alone OWNED one. The point is, in every other first world country guns are not needed for protection. Maybe just do what the rest of us do, and you won't need guns
One thing I have to point out is that the “Gun Show Loophole” doesn’t apply to every state. I know for a fact when I lived in Colorado and you buy a gun from a show you have to preform a background by the dealer.
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist in other states. In Utah we literally have to most lienent laws in the country, only have to be 18 to buy a pistol, can buy 100 round drums for pistol, private sale is allowed guns literally used to be on our version of Craigslist (they EVENTUALLY took it off lol). Can’t forget that you can literally buy as many guns as you want, but you have to pay and run a background check for each one. But with all of that being said Utah’s crime rate is average (seriously like dead middle lol). I will say our small city of South Salt Lake usually suffers the worst of it (anywhere from 5 - 8 murders every year, in a city of 25,000 people).
One thing though, is guns from Utah keep getting found all over the country being used in violent crimes.
So we’re not some “Crime Free, Utopia” so don’t think you could change Michigan’s laws like ours without a HUGE spike in violent crime and murder.
I know someone is gonna say “Criminals will find a way to get the guns.” Well yes and no. Think about this, in Chicago is no secret the city (and some of the southern suburbs) have a huge problem with guns and murder. But did you know that the vast majority of those guns end up being traced to Indiana? It’s true, and just like Utah you can buy as many guns as you want.
So in reality when people say “Changing gun laws won’t make a difference.” If Indiana adapted Illinois gun laws, then with a little bit of time you would start to notice “Hey all the guns are no longer coming from Indiana.” I never once have advocated for gun control, but I do see how things over time would change if FEDERAL laws were changed.
The unintended consequence of that would include the rise in ghost guns and not being able to track where the guns were coming from.
The loophole actually is a bait and switch in itself. You are required to have a background check in a bill of transfer and the “loophole” started when someone in the parking lot was illegally running firearms (unaffiliated with the gun show)
Here in IL, I have to show my FOID for basically everything. With the passage of the FOID Modernization Act, Universal Background checks were included and will require person-to-person firearm transfers (private sales) to be subject to NICS checks at an FFL or through online validation by the Illinois State Police using NICS starting in 2024. As for right now, I can do it thru the ISP portal and wait for a green ck or a red "X" for a fellow IL shooter. If I sell a firearm across state lines (outside IL), I have to use an FFL in the buyer’s state of residence to facilitate the transfer.
Over the past few years, I have gone to IN for firearm training on a regular basis. At the range stores, I'd inquire about purchasing, and they confirmed that I'd have to follow IL laws- show my FOID (which sux, a violation of my 2A right) and that I'd have to wait the 72hrs (which is in place for ALL firearms since 2019). Building firearms has always been allowed. The problem: criminals that don't abide by the laws already on the books or the future ones that politicians so thoughtlessly pass, rendering every citizen vulnerable; especially those that truly need to defend themselves and others. It's the "jerks" that circumvent the laws already in place for numerous reasons that are causing the problems. in IL from IN (or other states). Criminals already scratch or destroy serial numbers, and the majority of the guns found at (or suspected to be used in) crime scenes were stolen in the first place. So, what's the *REAL* root of the problem? It's not the tool, it's the user (and the environment they grew up in. Care to guess where those areas are?) Why doesn't the system have (or enforce) harsher penalties for the crimes committed by those who commit violent, gun-related crimes (and those that aren't supposed to have them anyway)? A Chicago Sun-Times article that found felons who illegally possess a gun in Chicago typically received sentences on the low end of state sentencing guidelines. How about efforts that would have to focus on comprehensive, long-term strategies for abating crime?
Words matter- violence with firearms is more appropriate than "gun violence," since it's the *person* committing violence with a specific weapon. What about vehicular violence? I remember the 2018- Toronto (white van attack); 2020- Seattle, WA; 2021- Waukesha, WI; Ft. Lauderdale, FL; Show Low, AZ; and I heard about the Winnipeg incident during the Canadian trucker convoy (2022).
There is no such thing as a "Gun show loophole" anywhere. Its been illegal to sell a gun to another person in ANY state without a background check for many many years. This is another bogus claim the media and the left spouts constantly that they know is a blatant lie. Most firearms used in murders are stolen by the way. Criminals dont care about laws and you can literally make 10000 more if you like and that wont stop them. Its not a "GUN" problem, its a crime problem. Did you know Chicago is in Illinois? Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in America and is the MURDER capitol of the United States so how you are on here saying Indiana should take Chicagos lead blows my mind.
What are you even talking about my guy? Some guy in a parking lot? Do you usually go online and make things up? lol @@legoose1380