They missed an aspect of the experiment. They didnt add the jolt to a hungry animal to see if the response was just as quick. Also the part making them strike each other wasn't proving anything in this study specifically. Uncalled for.
The rat biting the rubber tube should have been something that rats don't like chewing like a rock or something. Rats freaking love chewing on cables..I actually think they enjoy the shock! I've had pet rats and ALL of my wires are literally decimated 😆
What do you do if the animal has no fear, but is also comfortable with what is made to be uncomfortable? Can the animal choose not to satisfy itself, or the expected trials placed upon it? Is drive the question when motivation is the true answer? Remember then, the only place of peace that exists from within is considered your temple. Decorate your halls with adornments of your past. Then relive your best experiences. That is why heaven is a place on earth. We are here for our first time too. #LiveInstead🃏 #TheJokerNamedAce🃏 #TheJokerDeemedAce🃏 #TJNA🃏 #TJDA🃏
psych brain: yes. human behavior without its clothes on. love it. when they start giving "annoying but not painful" shocks U GUYS IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO TEST IT OUT?? THE RAT IS JUMPING PRETTY DAMN HIGH
Just thinking about food shortages currently. Because food is being destroyed, and we’re short? Nah… not for a second I believe that. Basic action and response imo. We’re the rats.
the rat js just jumping to get off the floor ,put 2 different objects sticking out from the wall on each side, also make one of them neutral so that that it doesnt stop the shock thru the floor. ,they will 'jump' up onto both equally, these' tests' are dumb
ok ok wait so negative stimuli is more effective than positive? :< or is the starving one just uncoordinated and frazzled bec of his unfulfilled basic need? lol i know people who are irritable when hungry so idk
So it’s a positive stimuli, positive stimuli is always more effective in animals than negative because it’s more easy to identify what action caused the response . This is just an experiment on motivation. The hungry mouse is more motivated to find food, and therefore is more likely to show activity and accidently push the lever. When it does push the lever, it is more motivated to keep pushing it because of its hunger and therefore more likely to learn the behaviour.
The issue with negative stimuli is it has the tendency to reward wrong behaviour. Such as the animal jumping gives temporary relief, and therefore might be confused a the relieving. behaviour it’s harder for the animal to identity. Even though the rat learnt to push the lever faster, I don’t think he learnt to actually push it. He learnt to push it in response to the aversive stimuli. Meaning he learnt to push it to avoid punishment, that’s the only reason to push it. While in a positive reward system, animal are going to try and push it to get a reward continuously. The best reward system is that like gambling, meaning random interjections I’d reward during the behaviour. This compelled the animal to continue pressing it and learn the behaviour beyond extention. Also the other problem with this type of aversive stimuli is when an animal is exposed to which as this, and can not figure out the are at risk of falling info learnt helplessness (depresssion), where the lose motivation to avoid the siimuli and are unable to learn the technique to escape. Even when the technique is shown to them. They basically accept the circumstance and it inhibits there learning. That’s why positive reinforcement is always more effective and more reliable than negative.
The hungry rat is unfulfilled therefore he has more drive to get what he desires. The not hungry rat has had all he wanted given to him therefore no drive, except when exposed to pain. These animals feel pain, and naturally when threatened with fear or pain will do what they can to avoid it. This wasn't a helpful lesson, more harmful than anything in my opinion. You could do this with any living creature even humans and receive similar results. These things will only more than likely drive that creature to have physiological issues, anger and depression. If I were to put you in a box and shock you until you eventually triggered a mechanism and then it stopped, I guarantee you'll find that mechanism much faster to avoid further abuse, unless you like being shocked that is. ( I could be wrong but that's my take on whats happening 🤔)
I totally agree with you brother about last part that the person will definitely never try to do that work until and unless he/she gets that pain again .
@@martinfayz6284 but those scenario where not sadistically put into practice arbitrarily nature selectively breed them to deal with life not a electrified floor ...
I'm a pescetarian and I own rats, so if anyone would care about this I would. But it most certainly is science. Even cruel things can be scientific. But I wouldn't even call this cruel. The shock was annoying, not painful. And the other rat was just hungry, we all get hungry. It's not like they let the rat starve to death. Sometimes a little discomfort is necessary for scientific growth. If they were using torture or something then I would say that they are going too far, but they're not.
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Wheres the whole video?
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"Annoying but not painful" Bruh that mouse be hopping
I think its like electric muscle stimulation devices. I have a slendertone belt
@@alejandrodavidson8975 does your belt makes you jump?
We didn’t know much about microwaves back then tho
YEAH YT PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU A LIE WHILE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE TRUTH.
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Thanks for the tips, I’ll use this on my older brother 😁👍
How did it go 😂
Im telling mom
Hahaha😂
@@arettx5473 💀
I hope you guys appreciate how significant this is in the right perspective.
One person's "learning" is another person's programming/conditioning.
Exactly, hello!!!!! We are basically the rats now and social media is gaging the experiment!! Wakey wakey!!!!!
Perfect picture of nowadays society
Saw a podcast now I’m here
pinky and the brain
yes, pinky and the brain
one, is a genius
the other's insane
They missed an aspect of the experiment. They didnt add the jolt to a hungry animal to see if the response was just as quick.
Also the part making them strike each other wasn't proving anything in this study specifically. Uncalled for.
I can here because of that podcast
Me too is this the right video 🗣️🤳
@@FlightDreamZExtoiczI was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂
It’s probably not though 😅
I am but this not the same type of experiment
Humans: studying behavior
Mice: stop trolling I aint stupid
The rat biting the rubber tube should have been something that rats don't like chewing like a rock or something. Rats freaking love chewing on cables..I actually think they enjoy the shock! I've had pet rats and ALL of my wires are literally decimated 😆
This is how you train the American Native blacks to treat or respond to situations Europeans
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Not painful....it sure LOOKS painful
Bro this is from 1948.. chill
Looks can be decieving …..
The rubber biting sounds like military weaponize rat training. Shock the rat until it destroys enemy circuits
Dont give them ideas.
Interesting!!!
I’m here from the podcast
What do you do if the animal has no fear, but is also comfortable with what is made to be uncomfortable? Can the animal choose not to satisfy itself, or the expected trials placed upon it? Is drive the question when motivation is the true answer? Remember then, the only place of peace that exists from within is considered your temple. Decorate your halls with adornments of your past. Then relive your best experiences. That is why heaven is a place on earth. We are here for our first time too. #LiveInstead🃏 #TheJokerNamedAce🃏 #TheJokerDeemedAce🃏 #TJNA🃏 #TJDA🃏
psych brain: yes. human behavior without its clothes on. love it.
when they start giving "annoying but not painful" shocks
U GUYS IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO TEST IT OUT?? THE RAT IS JUMPING PRETTY DAMN HIGH
i wonder what happens if you take the reward away
His behavior will decrease untill vanishing
I assume he'd try to get it back at first and then eventually stop responding after many tries
Might feel desperate desire for the dopamine release
slow death
It's called learnt helplessness
I'm here because the podcast*2
Just thinking about food shortages currently. Because food is being destroyed, and we’re short? Nah… not for a second I believe that.
Basic action and response imo.
We’re the rats.
Moral: stop rewarding bums.
YAK We Here King !!
So this is where the saying
“Strong mice make easy times easy times make weak mice weak mice make hard times and hard times make strong mice”
I’m here because yahdi
mindblowing i can use them in social life 😊
aka positive reinforcement is better than negative.
This is actually so cool
the rat js just jumping to get off the floor ,put 2 different objects sticking out from the wall on each side, also make one of them neutral so that that it doesnt stop the shock thru the floor.
,they will 'jump' up onto both equally, these' tests' are dumb
Does anyone know how many hertz was the sound used for the experiment?
Yeah that rat did learn 11:17 faster!
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I'm here because of a tik tok that talked about the movie they cloned Tyrone
This is wild...
That’s how they they did blacks with they put them in the projects all on top each other in these high rises !!!
ok ok wait so negative stimuli is more effective than positive? :< or is the starving one just uncoordinated and frazzled bec of his unfulfilled basic need? lol i know people who are irritable when hungry so idk
The shock is a bigger motivator and the behaviour immediately removes the pain. Therefore, the behaviour is more stimulating.
So it’s a positive stimuli, positive stimuli is always more effective in animals than negative because it’s more easy to identify what action caused the response . This is just an experiment on motivation. The hungry mouse is more motivated to find food, and therefore is more likely to show activity and accidently push the lever. When it does push the lever, it is more motivated to keep pushing it because of its hunger and therefore more likely to learn the behaviour.
The issue with negative stimuli is it has the tendency to reward wrong behaviour. Such as the animal jumping gives temporary relief, and therefore might be confused a the relieving. behaviour it’s harder for the animal to identity. Even though the rat learnt to push the lever faster, I don’t think he learnt to actually push it. He learnt to push it in response to the aversive stimuli. Meaning he learnt to push it to avoid punishment, that’s the only reason to push it. While in a positive reward system, animal are going to try and push it to get a reward continuously. The best reward system is that like gambling, meaning random interjections I’d reward during the behaviour. This compelled the animal to continue pressing it and learn the behaviour beyond extention. Also the other problem with this type of aversive stimuli is when an animal is exposed to which as this, and can not figure out the are at risk of falling info learnt helplessness (depresssion), where the lose motivation to avoid the siimuli and are unable to learn the technique to escape. Even when the technique is shown to them. They basically accept the circumstance and it inhibits there learning. That’s why positive reinforcement is always more effective and more reliable than negative.
@@user-ok2xn1fy5i Thanks for the explanation
The hungry rat is unfulfilled therefore he has more drive to get what he desires. The not hungry rat has had all he wanted given to him therefore no drive, except when exposed to pain.
These animals feel pain, and naturally when threatened with fear or pain will do what they can to avoid it. This wasn't a helpful lesson, more harmful than anything in my opinion.
You could do this with any living creature even humans and receive similar results. These things will only more than likely drive that creature to have physiological issues, anger and depression.
If I were to put you in a box and shock you until you eventually triggered a mechanism and then it stopped, I guarantee you'll find that mechanism much faster to avoid further abuse, unless you like being shocked that is.
( I could be wrong but that's my take on whats happening 🤔)
I totally agree with you brother about last part that the person will definitely never try to do that work until and unless he/she gets that pain again .
It’s an animal bruh there here for us to learn and eat
Couldn't have said it any better 💯💯💯🧠💪🏾
Uhm yea I think that was the point of the entire video
Tik Tok brought me here 10/2023
FASCINATING
What benefit and who need this type of data. This is scary
They tested rats before they experimented on the hood. Get It!? The Projects! 👀🤔👎🏾
The suburbs vs the ghetto
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Oh let's shock the rat and see what happens.. I can think of some scientists I'd like to do this experiment with😅
Proverbs 16:26
questionable method for testing for human outcomes 🤨
Robert Tyron
incredible experiment
Noice
I especially enjoyed watching the rats attack each other in order to get relief from electrical shock.
Rat ufc
T.s and dfc. Look out they in town again. Lol
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this is not science it is a attempt but too cruel ...
Those rats face more difficulties in life to get food more than in the lap
@@martinfayz6284 but those scenario where not sadistically put into practice arbitrarily nature selectively breed them to deal with life not a electrified floor ...
I am with you
I'm a pescetarian and I own rats, so if anyone would care about this I would. But it most certainly is science. Even cruel things can be scientific. But I wouldn't even call this cruel. The shock was annoying, not painful. And the other rat was just hungry, we all get hungry. It's not like they let the rat starve to death. Sometimes a little discomfort is necessary for scientific growth. If they were using torture or something then I would say that they are going too far, but they're not.
@@Lexi-vp5kk They made the rats attack each other in the last experiment just to experience relief from the shock. That's a bit cruel.
Not hungry