If you want to compare the effects of the Pro Mist Filter in your own pace, here is a link to all of the images taken during this test: www.notion.so/Pro-Mist-Filter-comparison-2751d922a17e4362a0c2757f70a21d33 What are your thoughts on Pro Mist Filters - do they make sense when shooting film?
Beautifully done! In my opinion, you just made one of the most well explained and enjoyable to watch pro mist filter videos. Totally agree on the point of using the filter in terms of black and white photos as the flat hazy and blooming effect of the filter looks better in color photos. The video itself is so well made, it gave a beautiful nice & chill vibe. The shots were splendid as well. 🤍
I have one in my bronica rf645... the 1/8 is more to my taste and think more realistic than the 1/4 which difuses things a bit too much. with the 1/8, you can liturally leave it on there all the time and the differences are more subtle and less agresssive on the contrast and shapness.. I totally agree with your statement regarding black and white film as well, although I never really shoot black and white these days so makes even more sense to leave my 1/8 on all the time. 1 last point, the smaller the format, the higher the effect on each frame, so 35mm shooters, be careful, as 1/4 is really over the top!
Interesting point, thanks for sharing! I have not tried any of the other filter strengths yet unfortunately, but the results I saw online with the 1/8 strength looked very nice. I only wanted to buy one filter so the 1/4 strength seemed like the sweet spot for my needs, but that results in being a bit more selective when to use it
This is crazy. I literally shot two rolls to test this very hypothesis. I found that sometimes it reduced micro contrast a bit too much. This video was beautifully shot as well by the way.
Hahaha, Jinx! I hope I did not ruin your video idea? Even if you planned on making a similar video - please still go for it, there can never be enough testing of those hypotheses, would love to hear your thoughts about your experience. :) And I totally agree on the micro contrasts.
A comparative video with film I have really not seen yet, really great! After your video I have to actually try that with film.😃 At night it's so great to have a mist filter. the short title cards with the font I also really like. thanks for the mention too!
Absolutely, I cannot wait to maybe use it in combination with Cinestill or some other Cine film during the night. :) And of course, if somebody is looking for a cheap DIY version of this filter, your video is really useful. ☺️
A long time ago we would carry pieces of hosiery or pantyhose and stretch it over the lens to create the soft effect, or depending on the weave, star effect from lights or that twinkle in someones eye.
A very comprehensive review of the mist filters! Completely agree and I think this is doubly true for film photography. I shoot mainly digital and having the mist on black and white isn't too bad since you can fix it in post and saves the hassle of screwing and unscrewing the filter off the lens. I just love it for the subtle bloom it gives to certain lighting situations
Thank you, Jay! That’s a good point, I see why people might leave it on and deal with it in post, especially on digital it makes sense. For me personally editing is more annoying than dealing with filters - but that is of course very personal :)
The best video on the use of these filters I have found, and I have watched hours and hours! Thank you! I think I am going to go with Moment Cinebloom as it has all of the benefits of the Tiffen, but also retains the sharpness of the shape of the light source too
Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it :) The Cinebloom filters look interesting as well, in case I might need another diffusion filter in the future, I might give this one a try.
Really well performed experiment. As a starburst fan (and normally shoot at 𝑓/11-16 at night) I'm not into how it renders light sources at night. But for daytime scenes, especially high contrast and portrait, it definitely turned out really nice (and your cat is SO CUTE!)
Thank you! :) So far I have usually shot night scenes with small apertures as well, so I totally get you! But I am still indecisive if I like the starbursts or not, for me it really depends on the mood I want to create. I would like to say that I will let Momo know - but the thing is, she already knows haha.
@@KarinMajoka Indeed the answer isn't so "black and white" (ha). For the colour shot of the house, I prefer with the filter, but for bnw without. Then rainbow road I prefer colour without the filter. For the shots of Momo I prefer the colour with filter but that's 90% because of derp face.
I have used a pro mist filter for years! I used it mainly with my Yashica Mat 124. One time someone asked me: is that a Pro Mist Filter? I asked: what's a pro mist filter bruh? I don't use filters on my Yashica MAT. Turns out that the taking lens had and still has haze inside. I did like the effect though and as the lens on my Bronica doesn't have haze I had to buy a pro mist filter which was only a few months ago...so I guess I actually haven't used pro mist filters for years, just regular pro haze filters that sometimes come built-in with an old camera.
Haha, the build-in-hazy-lens-pro-mist-filter surely comes cheaper though! That's also the beauty of analog cameras, that they can come with their own little quirks that sometimes even positively surprise us. Guess you got hooked on the mist filter look then? :)
@@KarinMajoka I haven’t gotten a chance to use it with film yet. I’ve been using it with my FujiFilm X-T4 for b-roll outdoors and things like that. Like you said in the video it definitely makes a difference with digital photos. I’m glad you did this experiment with film because now I know what to expect when I use it with film.
@@AlysVintageCameraAlley Actually that's a brilliant idea to also use it for B-Roll when filming! :) I have not tried it on my digital camera yet, but I think I also will do that one day.
Thank you for your work here. Oddly enough it was because you did this test using the Bronica....I camera I sold in the 70's, and now in my senior years, I find myself somewhat spurred on to seek one for my collection, and also because I am craving the film look ....I am finding digital just too clean and lacking in some ways. Use the filter you want for the scene in question. Kudos for the shots of your lovely cat. Cheers from Victoria, British Columbia. and yes I subscribed
Karin, this is interesting & thoughtful, as usual. Love it when you smile. The effect of this filter on some of your color & panchro film shots--with respect to points of light--has almost the same effect when you did some shots with that expensive Cinestill 800 film. I think it is a matter of taste or judgment because some photographers might like a slightly flared point of light. Keep smiling and keep up your great work.
Thanks for your comment, Norman! That's also what I thought, it really has some similarities with the halation of Cinestill film. A combination of Cinestill and this filter might be worth a try I guess :)
@@KarinMajoka Karin. When I look at night shots where there are distinct sources of light, I feel there is some mystery. Where is this? What does it mean? What happened here? If there is halation, it could be a distraction from that. A lone street light in a misty night can evoke a mystery, a feeling about a place. Might try shooting a clear, unfiltered night and a clear filtered night. May sense a swing in mood. All the best. 😉😉
What a great video! Like you, I was surprised by the daylight results most of all. I think I might be adding one to my kit. I love your videos, Karin, your talent and sense of humor are wonderful. Andy
Shooting honest without filters is the best way. Exception: yellow, orange, red and green filters at black&white film and the polarizing or the gradient filter.
Pro mist is very heavy handed. Gxace and myself use glimmerglass 1 filters. He just did an amazing video on it where he's a hologram lol. I personally also use black satin filters which are comparable to Schneider Hollywood black magic filters which are considered to be one of the best in the industry. You will still get nice halation but it will not obscure the shape of the lamps and will not remove contrast in fine details even half as much. They are superior in every way except for how far the halation stretches across the frame at the same rated strength.
An interesting video. I enjoyed seeing, and hearing your thoughts, on the results from both the colour and black and white films. To me the effect looked slightly better on the colour film as, in my opinion, it tended to remove too much contrast in the black and white images. I was happy to see that Momo was ready for her close up Ms DeMille! :)
Great video! Thanks for the comparison! Fun fact, if you don't have the money to drop on a proper pro mist filter you can recreate a similar effect with hair spray (or black spray paint) and a cheap UV filter ✨
The thing that I like about promist filters is that it removes the halations on cinestill 800t. Would be cool to see your take on this. Regardless very informative!!
Thanks a lot for your comment! That was also one of my thoughts at the end of this test that I was wondering how it would perform in combination with Cinestill. I will surely try that out!
Great video! That was a lot of effort with some great shot. The broken lamp picture was so good band I agree it is better without the filter. One place where pro mist really shines is really close up portraits especially when there is direct light or slight backlit. Vuhlandes does this amazingly
Thank you! I would have made this test only for me anyway, but making it look a bit more presentable for UA-cam (by putting some extra effort into removing the dust for example) definitely took a good portion of time. Using it for close ups or against the sun is something I will surely try out next time, thanks for the hint. :)
There is a conspicuous lack of cars falling off that Rainbow Road, not very authentic at all! Anyways, when I bought an RB67 about two years ago, the lens that came with it was pretty hazy and it was sort of a built in diffusion filter. Not being able to control the effect was annoying, though, so I sold that copy, but I think a diffusion filter is a great tool for when you want things to look kind of glamorous or nostalgic. Sure beats smearing vaseline on the front element...
You surely have a point, there were also no angry people in rage with their controllers in their hands. 😂 Interesting to learn that haze inside of a lens seems to behave in the same way as a diffusion filter 😬
@@KarinMajoka It sometimes does! A hazy lens might be worth keeping around for that purpose, though haze only gets worse over time so eventually it'll just be useless.
I don't think I will buy any of the other strength any time soon, since 1/4 seems to be the sweet spot for me. But if I ever get some other strengths in my hands I might give that a try, great suggestion!
@@KarinMajoka well it did and didn't, my takeaway is similar to yours in that it excels at portraiture and I like the way it looks with black&white at night, but I don't do portraits and b&w at night is way too specific for me to spend on this filter. However, now I'm wondering how it will do with my digital Fuji, guess it's down the rabbit hole again 🤪
@@Suckmine10 Haha, I feel you and think I was just as hesitant and indecisive in the beginning as well, mainly because I did not know if the filter would even be useful when shooting film. If you are unsure you could also try a cheaper DIY version of this filter by using a cheap UV filter and hairspray (there are some useful videos about it here on UA-cam).
Great comparison, definitely reminds me of 16/35mm shoots. Low contrast was often preferred, as it's easier on the eye, if the frames are moving along. A compared to the still image. If you want to see the opposite put to place, watch e.g. Manhattan and compared it to most other older flicks.
really great comparison video! I like the look of a pro mist, but the difference is subtle and I would rather make my own filter than spend the pretty large amount of money to get a Tiffen branded one
Absolutely, also a great idea! I think it's a bit harder to control the "strength" of the filter when using hairspray and it's also not as resilient in the long run, but definitely the more budget-friendly option.
Great video as usual. But let me note that these filters are from the film era. They are not a new thing created to make digital softer and organic. They are great for that use and companies like Moment are doing new ones, but they are pretty old.
Thanks for this very informative add-on! :) I am well aware that diffusion filter have a long history as of being used in filmmaking. I actually mentioned this as well, but edited this part of my explanation out in post so that the video would not be too long. Even though the history of those filters reach a while back, there seems to be a rising popularity for their use within photography recently.
@@KarinMajoka Oh, ok. But not only in filmmaking. In photography they were used a lot in a very exaggerated way in social and weddings for example. Including those that make star effects 😀.
Interesting. I am liking thee look of the filter on the daytime shots quite a bit. On the night shots I am liking the sharpness and contrast of not using the filter but mainly on the B&W images. On the color night shots I think it depends on the subject.
This reminds me a bit of the soft focus lenses which somewhat came into fashion in the 70s to 90s of last century and where available for most medium format systems and even for large format. They were quite popular for a time with portrait photographers at that time. I never liked them that much.
I exactly know the soft focus look from the 70s-90s you are referring to. In that extreme form it's also something I find more funny than really useful compared to the subtle look of the Pro Mist.
well... Jason (under the permission of Baxter) used a pro mist filter in two of his video, in one when he travels in Route 66 and the other when he does a little travel to Northern California. The pro mist he used looks really cool with black and white, but pro mist filters pale in comparison to the 200mm f2.8 soft lens created for the Holy Pentax 67, that lens is as soft as the color of the trans flag
Thank you for this. Quite interesting. Take always for me: Use one on my DSLR, maybe colour film but never b/w. Definitely not a priority, because I want some more colour filters first (shot a Fujifilm industrial 100 with a y2 filter recently. So fascinating!!) but this one goes on the list. Really really thankful for the comparison!
This was also my verdict in the end, it is probably very useful on digital cameras, but when it comes to film in my opinion it makes most sense for color film. Thanks for your comment! :)
Thank you for this in depth comparison. I was wondering myself if I should buy one for myself. Super helpful video. I still wonder how you pulled it off that Momo was sitting so still for the portraits. 😉 Thanks a lot for this video.
Probably yes 😬 during the daytime shots the effects were relatively subtle, but especially during the night I was rather surprise how much the filter effects the overall look. Just as everything the look is very subjective though
The Tiffen Pro Mist filters, were hugely popular in the days of film, how do you think that 70/80’s glam look was created? I sill have a Warm Black Pro Mist from my days of shooting weddings on film.
Sure thing! Even though the "trend" back then seemed to be going more towards the heavy pro mist or even soft focus filter look. And in any way: there was no systematic video on the usage of pro mist filters while shooting film on UA-cam yet, so I think it was time to fill in the gap.
Nice, lucky coincidence! I just recently saw, that K&F concept also released their own line of mist filters. I hope they are a bit easier to find (and hopefully also a bit cheaper), since it was a bit tricky to buy the Tiffen one here in Germany.
@@juiceboyxd9310 Oh man, that's awesome! I am also a bit jealous, because mine cost me 70 euros or so (but it's a 62mm which naturally is a bit more expensive)
Great Video... Now I would be curious how BPM filter vs PM filter on film would compare... The urge of wanting to use these on digital video I think doesn't come from wanting it to look like "film" but rather wanting it to look like "classic lenses", right? Glowy lenses like the older Leica R, Cooke, anamorphics ... I recently got my first package of Silbersalz back, shot with a Voigtlander 40mm Nokton and was SHOCKED how perfect the scans look... So I'm curious experimenting with a BPM filter... Have you tried different BPM intensities?
Thank you so much for doing this demonstration of the pro most filter. I couldn’t decide wether or not I should get one, but I actually have the same camera, so I’m definitely gonna buy one now. Can I ask what type/brand of shutter release cable you use for the Bronica ETRS and have you ever used any flash with the camera? And if so, what type of flash do you use? Thanks in advance. Best regards Mathias
Hope you will find a nice Bronica for yourself! :) I use a no name cable release I got used in a bundle together with other stuff, so sadly I cannot really specify it. And no, so far I have not used flash in combination with this camera but it it surely something to try in the future! :)
Good video! I have been considering using these filters rather than shooting jpeg and using Sony's in camera creative look filters. The effects appear very similar except that I have to shoot jpeg to get the "fade" effect as it doesn't bake into the raw file.
I use pro mist filter in digital photography and videos cause they cut away the « digital » look but with film i don’t see the point too much except if you want the cinestill look with cheap color film ( I should do a test with my Kodak vision 3 film...)
If you look carefully around 5:40 there is an odd cat vanishing effect with this filter. Since obviously this does not occur indoors as evidenced by the graceful modelling of Momo, I conclude that you have a naturally occurring cat induced wormhole.
I literally just found out about this filter and your video came up in my feed! I guess it makes for a great portrait filter. I wonder if it would help prevent highlight speckling when using flash on oily skin?
Wow, what a coincidence! Speckling skin, the enemy of every portrait photographer I guess hahah. I assume the filter can help with that issue as well, since the highlights seem a bit more flat with the filter on
Something I’ve ran into with shooting with a pro mist filter at night is ghosting. I’m not 100% sure if it’s just the combination of the lenses I’m using with the filter, but it seems like when I’m shooting harsh light sources (such as neon signs) pretty close to wide open (f5.6 and above) the light source will ghost on my image.
As far as I am aware of, ghosting might happen with every type of filter since the extra amount of glass can cause reflections within the gap between the filter and the lens. But it's surely interesting to hear that in your case this doe not seem to be the case when stopping down the lens.
Also ich nutze einen 1/4 und 1/8 für meine objektive allerdings auf einer fujifilm xs-10 und ich kann sagen ich fotografiere eigentlich nicht mehr ohne der look ist genau das was mir auf fotos zusagt :) super video :)
In the old days, we achieved the same thing by stretching sheer nylons over the lens or smearing Vaseline on a filter or just breathing on the filter then shooting fast when the evaporated breath was just right. :-)
I assume the effect with Vaseline or nylons are stronger than with the filter, right? Surely something interesting to try out (and maybe even save some money ✌🏼), thanks!
Definitely stronger. You could buy filters with a mild cross-hatch pattern that must be Pro-Mist’s granddaddy, lol. If you’ve ever watched classic movies where the women were noticeably softer in close-up, you’ve seen nylons/Vaselin at work. It would make for an interesting video for portraiture or to achieve a surrealist effect in cityscapes!
@@KarinMajoka oh hey! Wasn’t expecting a reply I would have been more thorough lol. Yeah I’ve been using mine pretty regularly and haven’t noticed a major difference until the other day when I was shooting sunset into the sun and it flared up pretty nice!
@@rawcodecmedia302 I usually try to answer the majority of comments! :) Good to know for sure, I will surely experiment with this some more during golden hour maybe
@@KarinMajoka I love to play the ukulele too, I spend some time on the hawaii islands 🤙, special for sports and photography. I also had a perfect time with my aloha-friends playing the ukulele together.
I don't think that is true. There are several ways this hazed look was created in movies - and such as haze or mist spray, mist filters are a very commonly used tool. Here is a reddit feed where several directors are mentioned that often make use of pro mist filters: www.reddit.com/r/cinematography/comments/fu65q0/examples_of_films_that_use_black_pro_mist_filter/
Unrelated question: how do you feel about your name since it's been co-opted by meme culture? I'm assuming it's pronounced the same as Karen? Unless I'm wrong, you've never really formally introduced yourself in your videos. Of course there's always the possibility that memes don't hold that much weight in Germany where if I'm not mistaken is where you're from?
Very valid question actually haha! I am a meme-head myself, so this meme hit me very hard, but generally speaking meme culture is not as big here in Germany I would say. At least I have not heard any "Karen" related jokes here yet. But my name is also pronounced in a very German way which does not sound too much like "Karen". But just to make that clear: I am not a Karen in real life 😂
@@KarinMajoka Glad to know that your UA-cam persona isn't just an act for the camera. Is it okay if I request for you to give us an introduction and say your name in the next video, so I can hear how you pronounce it?
@@merriammerkabah408 Actually, I pronounced it in the "German way" in some prior videos (e.g. in the one where my sister shoots film for the first time). I might include saying my name more regularly in videos because I get questions about it rather often - but I am not that "Hey guys, it's Karin, welcome back to my channel"-type of person haha that's just not me. So I will see when it feels fitting and natural, thanks for the request :)
So you just gone say "mist filter" means something different in German, then just blow right by it without filling us non-German speakers in? I was waiting on the explanation lol
If you want to compare the effects of the Pro Mist Filter in your own pace, here is a link to all of the images taken during this test: www.notion.so/Pro-Mist-Filter-comparison-2751d922a17e4362a0c2757f70a21d33
What are your thoughts on Pro Mist Filters - do they make sense when shooting film?
Beautifully done! In my opinion, you just made one of the most well explained and enjoyable to watch pro mist filter videos. Totally agree on the point of using the filter in terms of black and white photos as the flat hazy and blooming effect of the filter looks better in color photos.
The video itself is so well made, it gave a beautiful nice & chill vibe. The shots were splendid as well. 🤍
Thank you so much for your wonderful words, I really appreciate it a lot. 🤍☺️
I have one in my bronica rf645... the 1/8 is more to my taste and think more realistic than the 1/4 which difuses things a bit too much. with the 1/8, you can liturally leave it on there all the time and the differences are more subtle and less agresssive on the contrast and shapness.. I totally agree with your statement regarding black and white film as well, although I never really shoot black and white these days so makes even more sense to leave my 1/8 on all the time.
1 last point, the smaller the format, the higher the effect on each frame, so 35mm shooters, be careful, as 1/4 is really over the top!
Interesting point, thanks for sharing! I have not tried any of the other filter strengths yet unfortunately, but the results I saw online with the 1/8 strength looked very nice. I only wanted to buy one filter so the 1/4 strength seemed like the sweet spot for my needs, but that results in being a bit more selective when to use it
Now that's a well-done study! Thanks for doing the hard work and sharing this with everyone.
Thanks for your comment, Hashem! :)
This is crazy. I literally shot two rolls to test this very hypothesis. I found that sometimes it reduced micro contrast a bit too much. This video was beautifully shot as well by the way.
Hahaha, Jinx! I hope I did not ruin your video idea? Even if you planned on making a similar video - please still go for it, there can never be enough testing of those hypotheses, would love to hear your thoughts about your experience. :) And I totally agree on the micro contrasts.
A comparative video with film I have really not seen yet, really great! After your video I have to actually try that with film.😃 At night it's so great to have a mist filter. the short title cards with the font I also really like.
thanks for the mention too!
Absolutely, I cannot wait to maybe use it in combination with Cinestill or some other Cine film during the night. :) And of course, if somebody is looking for a cheap DIY version of this filter, your video is really useful. ☺️
A long time ago we would carry pieces of hosiery or pantyhose and stretch it over the lens to create the soft effect, or depending on the weave, star effect from lights or that twinkle in someones eye.
That sounds super interesting though and I am tempted to maybe try this one day. Thanks for the idea! :)
Ur apartment/studio looks so cozy 😍
Thank you, I love it here as well ;)
I clicked for the filters, stayed for the cat 😻😻😻
Momo is actually the real owner of this channel haha
Love the new light bulb 💡
Thank you! :) Initially got it to replace the cactus, but could not let it go, so now we have both haha
I think they both look great together 😊
A very comprehensive review of the mist filters! Completely agree and I think this is doubly true for film photography. I shoot mainly digital and having the mist on black and white isn't too bad since you can fix it in post and saves the hassle of screwing and unscrewing the filter off the lens. I just love it for the subtle bloom it gives to certain lighting situations
Thank you, Jay! That’s a good point, I see why people might leave it on and deal with it in post, especially on digital it makes sense. For me personally editing is more annoying than dealing with filters - but that is of course very personal :)
The best video on the use of these filters I have found, and I have watched hours and hours! Thank you! I think I am going to go with Moment Cinebloom as it has all of the benefits of the Tiffen, but also retains the sharpness of the shape of the light source too
Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it :) The Cinebloom filters look interesting as well, in case I might need another diffusion filter in the future, I might give this one a try.
Really well performed experiment. As a starburst fan (and normally shoot at 𝑓/11-16 at night) I'm not into how it renders light sources at night. But for daytime scenes, especially high contrast and portrait, it definitely turned out really nice (and your cat is SO CUTE!)
Thank you! :) So far I have usually shot night scenes with small apertures as well, so I totally get you! But I am still indecisive if I like the starbursts or not, for me it really depends on the mood I want to create. I would like to say that I will let Momo know - but the thing is, she already knows haha.
@@KarinMajoka Indeed the answer isn't so "black and white" (ha). For the colour shot of the house, I prefer with the filter, but for bnw without. Then rainbow road I prefer colour without the filter.
For the shots of Momo I prefer the colour with filter but that's 90% because of derp face.
I have used a pro mist filter for years! I used it mainly with my Yashica Mat 124. One time someone asked me: is that a Pro Mist Filter? I asked: what's a pro mist filter bruh? I don't use filters on my Yashica MAT. Turns out that the taking lens had and still has haze inside. I did like the effect though and as the lens on my Bronica doesn't have haze I had to buy a pro mist filter which was only a few months ago...so I guess I actually haven't used pro mist filters for years, just regular pro haze filters that sometimes come built-in with an old camera.
Haha, the build-in-hazy-lens-pro-mist-filter surely comes cheaper though! That's also the beauty of analog cameras, that they can come with their own little quirks that sometimes even positively surprise us. Guess you got hooked on the mist filter look then? :)
thanks for your effort. very interesting. very helpful.
Thanks for your comment :)
I just got one of these filters so I’m glad to see your video. I love your cat and her fur-tones 😂
Wow, what a coincidence! :) Would love to hear your thoughts and how you like it so far.
@@KarinMajoka I haven’t gotten a chance to use it with film yet. I’ve been using it with my FujiFilm X-T4 for b-roll outdoors and things like that. Like you said in the video it definitely makes a difference with digital photos. I’m glad you did this experiment with film because now I know what to expect when I use it with film.
@@AlysVintageCameraAlley Actually that's a brilliant idea to also use it for B-Roll when filming! :) I have not tried it on my digital camera yet, but I think I also will do that one day.
Thank you for your work here. Oddly enough it was because you did this test using the Bronica....I camera I sold in the 70's, and now in my senior years, I find myself somewhat spurred on to seek one for my collection, and also because I am craving the film look ....I am finding digital just too clean and lacking in some ways. Use the filter you want for the scene in question. Kudos for the shots of your lovely cat. Cheers from Victoria, British Columbia.
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Superb video review of these filters thank you!
Karin, this is interesting & thoughtful, as usual. Love it when you smile. The effect of this filter on some of your color & panchro film shots--with respect to points of light--has almost the same effect when you did some shots with that expensive Cinestill 800 film. I think it is a matter of taste or judgment because some photographers might like a slightly flared point of light. Keep smiling and keep up your great work.
Thanks for your comment, Norman! That's also what I thought, it really has some similarities with the halation of Cinestill film. A combination of Cinestill and this filter might be worth a try I guess :)
@@KarinMajoka Karin. When I look at night shots where there are distinct sources of light, I feel there is some mystery. Where is this? What does it mean? What happened here? If there is halation, it could be a distraction from that. A lone street light in a misty night can evoke a mystery, a feeling about a place. Might try shooting a clear, unfiltered night and a clear filtered night. May sense a swing in mood. All the best. 😉😉
What a great video! Like you, I was surprised by the daylight results most of all. I think I might be adding one to my kit. I love your videos, Karin, your talent and sense of humor are wonderful. Andy
Thanks so much for your kind words Andy, I appreciate it a lot! :) Hope you enjoy the filter as much as I did in case you will add it to your kit.
Shooting honest without filters is the best way. Exception: yellow, orange, red and green filters at black&white film and the polarizing or the gradient filter.
Pro mist is very heavy handed. Gxace and myself use glimmerglass 1 filters. He just did an amazing video on it where he's a hologram lol. I personally also use black satin filters which are comparable to Schneider Hollywood black magic filters which are considered to be one of the best in the industry. You will still get nice halation but it will not obscure the shape of the lamps and will not remove contrast in fine details even half as much. They are superior in every way except for how far the halation stretches across the frame at the same rated strength.
This video was really well shot! I love the pro mist effect on film, especially on portraits and night photos.
Thank you! :) And I was positively surprised by the filter as well and can't wait to try it out some more.
An interesting video. I enjoyed seeing, and hearing your thoughts, on the results from both the colour and black and white films. To me the effect looked slightly better on the colour film as, in my opinion, it tended to remove too much contrast in the black and white images.
I was happy to see that Momo was ready for her close up Ms DeMille! :)
Totally agree, I felt absolutely the same about it. And Momo was a great assistent for this video indeed haha. :)
Great video! Thanks for the comparison! Fun fact, if you don't have the money to drop on a proper pro mist filter you can recreate a similar effect with hair spray (or black spray paint) and a cheap UV filter ✨
That's such a cool tip, I have seen some videos about DIY mist filters and think it's a good alternative to the more expensive ones you can buy.
The thing that I like about promist filters is that it removes the halations on cinestill 800t. Would be cool to see your take on this. Regardless very informative!!
Thanks a lot for your comment! That was also one of my thoughts at the end of this test that I was wondering how it would perform in combination with Cinestill. I will surely try that out!
I love these comparison videos. Thanks for putting the work in!
Thanks so much for your comment. :)
Such a great video. Thanks so much for putting this together!
Love this comparison! Definitely works for some shots better than others
best video about this topic! very interesting. Danke Karin ;) and yes this filter is not for all scenes. used wisely its very great
Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it a lot :)
Great video! That was a lot of effort with some great shot. The broken lamp picture was so good band I agree it is better without the filter. One place where pro mist really shines is really close up portraits especially when there is direct light or slight backlit. Vuhlandes does this amazingly
Thank you! I would have made this test only for me anyway, but making it look a bit more presentable for UA-cam (by putting some extra effort into removing the dust for example) definitely took a good portion of time. Using it for close ups or against the sun is something I will surely try out next time, thanks for the hint. :)
Thanks for your very informative video!
There is a conspicuous lack of cars falling off that Rainbow Road, not very authentic at all!
Anyways, when I bought an RB67 about two years ago, the lens that came with it was pretty hazy and it was sort of a built in diffusion filter. Not being able to control the effect was annoying, though, so I sold that copy, but I think a diffusion filter is a great tool for when you want things to look kind of glamorous or nostalgic. Sure beats smearing vaseline on the front element...
You surely have a point, there were also no angry people in rage with their controllers in their hands. 😂
Interesting to learn that haze inside of a lens seems to behave in the same way as a diffusion filter 😬
@@KarinMajoka It sometimes does! A hazy lens might be worth keeping around for that purpose, though haze only gets worse over time so eventually it'll just be useless.
I would be curious to see you compare the other thicknesses of black mist filters in the future
I don't think I will buy any of the other strength any time soon, since 1/4 seems to be the sweet spot for me. But if I ever get some other strengths in my hands I might give that a try, great suggestion!
You read my mind, was just wondering if I should get one, thanks for the timely upload!
Lucky coincidence! Hope this helped to make a decision. :)
@@KarinMajoka well it did and didn't, my takeaway is similar to yours in that it excels at portraiture and I like the way it looks with black&white at night, but I don't do portraits and b&w at night is way too specific for me to spend on this filter. However, now I'm wondering how it will do with my digital Fuji, guess it's down the rabbit hole again 🤪
@@KarinMajoka but thank you so much for this video, timing couldn't be more perfect, I have a tab open ready to click "order" 😂
@@Suckmine10 Haha, I feel you and think I was just as hesitant and indecisive in the beginning as well, mainly because I did not know if the filter would even be useful when shooting film. If you are unsure you could also try a cheaper DIY version of this filter by using a cheap UV filter and hairspray (there are some useful videos about it here on UA-cam).
Great comparison,
definitely reminds me of 16/35mm shoots. Low contrast was often preferred, as it's easier on the eye, if the frames are moving along. A compared to the still image.
If you want to see the opposite put to place, watch e.g. Manhattan and compared it to most other older flicks.
This is super SUPER helpful, thank you so much! Also I’m subscribing for more Momo 👀😍
Thank you! :) yeah, she‘s the main character of the channel 😂
really great comparison video! I like the look of a pro mist, but the difference is subtle and I would rather make my own filter than spend the pretty large amount of money to get a Tiffen branded one
Absolutely, also a great idea! I think it's a bit harder to control the "strength" of the filter when using hairspray and it's also not as resilient in the long run, but definitely the more budget-friendly option.
Awesome! Loved it. Excellent info. Thanks.
Always enjoy your videos! I’m curious to know what “mist filter” means in German 😅
Yes, inquiring minds want to know!
Andy
It means “shit”
yep, it is what it is. 😅
Great video as usual. But let me note that these filters are from the film era. They are not a new thing created to make digital softer and organic. They are great for that use and companies like Moment are doing new ones, but they are pretty old.
Thanks for this very informative add-on! :) I am well aware that diffusion filter have a long history as of being used in filmmaking. I actually mentioned this as well, but edited this part of my explanation out in post so that the video would not be too long. Even though the history of those filters reach a while back, there seems to be a rising popularity for their use within photography recently.
@@KarinMajoka Oh, ok. But not only in filmmaking. In photography they were used a lot in a very exaggerated way in social and weddings for example. Including those that make star effects 😀.
Really helpful, thank you 🙂
Interesting. I am liking thee look of the filter on the daytime shots quite a bit. On the night shots I am liking the sharpness and contrast of not using the filter but mainly on the B&W images. On the color night shots I think it depends on the subject.
I think that sums it up perfectly: It heavily depends on the subject! Thanks for your comment. :)
I will definetly use try a shoot in combination with a sillbersalz T in the city at night.
This sounds like an awesome combo!
Great video. I've been wondering about these filters for film, Def considering for my digital workflow
Thanks for your comment, I am not a digital shooter, but I totally understand why so many people include these filters in their digital workflow! :)
This reminds me a bit of the soft focus lenses which somewhat came into fashion in the 70s to 90s of last century and where available for most medium format systems and even for large format. They were quite popular for a time with portrait photographers at that time. I never liked them that much.
I exactly know the soft focus look from the 70s-90s you are referring to. In that extreme form it's also something I find more funny than really useful compared to the subtle look of the Pro Mist.
well... Jason (under the permission of Baxter) used a pro mist filter in two of his video, in one when he travels in Route 66 and the other when he does a little travel to Northern California. The pro mist he used looks really cool with black and white, but pro mist filters pale in comparison to the 200mm f2.8 soft lens created for the Holy Pentax 67, that lens is as soft as the color of the trans flag
Nice review. I still want to buy this filter but only for video and night shots.
Yes, I also want to try it out for filming as well! :)
Thank you for this. Quite interesting.
Take always for me:
Use one on my DSLR, maybe colour film but never b/w. Definitely not a priority, because I want some more colour filters first (shot a Fujifilm industrial 100 with a y2 filter recently. So fascinating!!) but this one goes on the list.
Really really thankful for the comparison!
This was also my verdict in the end, it is probably very useful on digital cameras, but when it comes to film in my opinion it makes most sense for color film. Thanks for your comment! :)
Very useful thank you very much
I now wonder what the filter would look like for concert photography on film
Wonderful tests and results! Definitely a lot of how I feel, though I'm always a sucker for soft focus. ha ha.
Thank you, Jamie! :)
@@KarinMajoka You're welcome! :)
I had to throw mist filter in a German translator and I am not disappointed.
Amaaaazing indepth review. loved it!(:
Thanks so much! :)
Thank you for this in depth comparison. I was wondering myself if I should buy one for myself. Super helpful video. I still wonder how you pulled it off that Momo was sitting so still for the portraits. 😉 Thanks a lot for this video.
Thanks Markus! So, what is your verdict, will you get one of those filters? :) Same here, I swear I did not have any treats nearby haha
@@KarinMajoka I am not sold on the idea yet. I can totally see how it could work on digital though.
With the German Mist filter I guess you get rather shitty pictures? :P
For me this filter doesn't add so much to be honest, but nice video anyhow :)
Probably yes 😬 during the daytime shots the effects were relatively subtle, but especially during the night I was rather surprise how much the filter effects the overall look. Just as everything the look is very subjective though
The Tiffen Pro Mist filters, were hugely popular in the days of film, how do you think that 70/80’s glam look was created? I sill have a Warm Black Pro Mist from my days of shooting weddings on film.
Sure thing! Even though the "trend" back then seemed to be going more towards the heavy pro mist or even soft focus filter look. And in any way: there was no systematic video on the usage of pro mist filters while shooting film on UA-cam yet, so I think it was time to fill in the gap.
This was very helpful, thanks
Thanks for your comment. :)
well explained video , very helpful .. i was considering the tiffen 1/8 mist , tough can’t find it anywhere in India to mu frustrating 🤯
Thank you very much for the informative video !
Thank you ✌🏼
"the fur tones look majestic" xD
Literally just bought a K&F 1/4 pro mist!
Nice, lucky coincidence! I just recently saw, that K&F concept also released their own line of mist filters. I hope they are a bit easier to find (and hopefully also a bit cheaper), since it was a bit tricky to buy the Tiffen one here in Germany.
@@KarinMajoka yeah K&F have their own Germany website and I got mine for about 30 euros 👌🏻
@@juiceboyxd9310 Oh man, that's awesome! I am also a bit jealous, because mine cost me 70 euros or so (but it's a 62mm which naturally is a bit more expensive)
Great Video... Now I would be curious how BPM filter vs PM filter on film would compare...
The urge of wanting to use these on digital video I think doesn't come from wanting it to look like "film" but rather wanting it to look like "classic lenses", right? Glowy lenses like the older Leica R, Cooke, anamorphics ...
I recently got my first package of Silbersalz back, shot with a Voigtlander 40mm Nokton and was SHOCKED how perfect the scans look... So I'm curious experimenting with a BPM filter...
Have you tried different BPM intensities?
Thank you so much for doing this demonstration of the pro most filter. I couldn’t decide wether or not I should get one, but I actually have the same camera, so I’m definitely gonna buy one now.
Can I ask what type/brand of shutter release cable you use for the Bronica ETRS and have you ever used any flash with the camera? And if so, what type of flash do you use?
Thanks in advance.
Best regards
Mathias
Hope you will find a nice Bronica for yourself! :) I use a no name cable release I got used in a bundle together with other stuff, so sadly I cannot really specify it. And no, so far I have not used flash in combination with this camera but it it surely something to try in the future! :)
Good video! I have been considering using these filters rather than shooting jpeg and using Sony's in camera creative look filters. The effects appear very similar except that I have to shoot jpeg to get the "fade" effect as it doesn't bake into the raw file.
I use pro mist filter in digital photography and videos cause they cut away the « digital » look but with film i don’t see the point too much except if you want the cinestill look with cheap color film ( I should do a test with my Kodak vision 3 film...)
I think it modifies the look quite a bit, even with film. But it's just not suitable for every situation.
Thank you
Ind danke fur ihnem video. Genung Gymnasium Deutsch-I was looking for a video that answered my desire to spend $$ on a dark mist filter
If you look carefully around 5:40 there is an odd cat vanishing effect with this filter. Since obviously this does not occur indoors as evidenced by the graceful modelling of Momo, I conclude that you have a naturally occurring cat induced wormhole.
I see, you are one of the lucky ones, because only cool people can spot the cat induced wormhole in the images! 😼
Very interesting results! I'm still not sold on the "pro garbage" filters, but it makes sense there are some uses for them!
Pro garbage filter 😂 I get that, it's subjective and not everybody's pair of shoes. :)
I literally just found out about this filter and your video came up in my feed! I guess it makes for a great portrait filter. I wonder if it would help prevent highlight speckling when using flash on oily skin?
Wow, what a coincidence! Speckling skin, the enemy of every portrait photographer I guess hahah. I assume the filter can help with that issue as well, since the highlights seem a bit more flat with the filter on
fur tones are so important
so important!
Something I’ve ran into with shooting with a pro mist filter at night is ghosting. I’m not 100% sure if it’s just the combination of the lenses I’m using with the filter, but it seems like when I’m shooting harsh light sources (such as neon signs) pretty close to wide open (f5.6 and above) the light source will ghost on my image.
As far as I am aware of, ghosting might happen with every type of filter since the extra amount of glass can cause reflections within the gap between the filter and the lens. But it's surely interesting to hear that in your case this doe not seem to be the case when stopping down the lens.
thanks :)
Very nicely done video and the comparison is very informative, these filters are definitely not for me
Thank you! That's also one possible takeaway, glad this video helped for that as well :)
Also ich nutze einen 1/4 und 1/8 für meine objektive allerdings auf einer fujifilm xs-10 und ich kann sagen ich fotografiere eigentlich nicht mehr ohne der look ist genau das was mir auf fotos zusagt :) super video :)
Den 1/8 fände ich auch nochmal ganz spannend, da er ja tatsächlich noch ein wenig dezenter ist. Danke für deinen Kommentar! :)
wait what does "mist filter" mean in german now im curious
Film photo- combined with cat content? Take my Abo!
Film and cats are a match made in heaven (expect when it comes to removing furr from your negatives…)
@@KarinMajoka but it was a Fujifurrm :D
Wait what does most filter mean in German??
What would mist filter mean like in german?
Well, „Mist“ in Germany means as much as „damn“ or a mild form of „sh*t“ 😬
Did you make any exposure correction when shooting with filter?
No, not for the filter. Just the regular compensation for reciprocity failure because I am taking long exposures.
What tripod were you using at 3:36?
It's the Rollei Compact Traveler No. 1! :)
I liebe Mumu!
In the old days, we achieved the same thing by stretching sheer nylons over the lens or smearing Vaseline on a filter or just breathing on the filter then shooting fast when the evaporated breath was just right. :-)
I assume the effect with Vaseline or nylons are stronger than with the filter, right? Surely something interesting to try out (and maybe even save some money ✌🏼), thanks!
Definitely stronger. You could buy filters with a mild cross-hatch pattern that must be Pro-Mist’s granddaddy, lol. If you’ve ever watched classic movies where the women were noticeably softer in close-up, you’ve seen nylons/Vaselin at work.
It would make for an interesting video for portraiture or to achieve a surrealist effect in cityscapes!
What happened when the house owner showed up?! Did he see you and yell at you?
No, no, thankfully not. It's a small neighbourhood here, he saw me, nodded and went into his house and that was it. :)
What would it mean in German?!
Deutsche "Mist-Filter" klingt ja mal sowas von abwertend haha😅😂🙌🏼
Absolut 😂
Back lit or straight into the sun it’s pretty noticeable
Will try that out next time, good advice! :) Sadly, the sun was not in the mood to say hi while I was conducting this test ✌🏼
@@KarinMajoka oh hey! Wasn’t expecting a reply I would have been more thorough lol. Yeah I’ve been using mine pretty regularly and haven’t noticed a major difference until the other day when I was shooting sunset into the sun and it flared up pretty nice!
@@rawcodecmedia302 I usually try to answer the majority of comments! :) Good to know for sure, I will surely experiment with this some more during golden hour maybe
you are playing ukulele 👍
yes, Uke gang here ✌🏼
@@KarinMajoka I love to play the ukulele too, I spend some time on the hawaii islands 🤙, special for sports and photography. I also had a perfect time with my aloha-friends playing the ukulele together.
MOMO? IS THIS AN AVATAR REFERENCE??
Not precisely, it's a reference to Michael Ende's novel "Momo". And we chose it because it also means "peach" in Japanese which is just too cute.
Richtige Mist Filter so dann haben wir das auch abgehakt ich schaue jetzt das video haha
Hahah, der Name lädt auch einfach zu sehr dazu ein diesen Witz zu machen 😬🤍
Excellent video explination. Thank you for not making us watch you take the photos.
HAHAH "fur-tones"
ASMR voice
🥰
benefRit! 😂
It's just not possible for me to record a video without a weird mispronunciation 😂
Nope don’t use. Hazes created in movies were not made from the filter but from haze mist or spray.
I don't think that is true. There are several ways this hazed look was created in movies - and such as haze or mist spray, mist filters are a very commonly used tool. Here is a reddit feed where several directors are mentioned that often make use of pro mist filters: www.reddit.com/r/cinematography/comments/fu65q0/examples_of_films_that_use_black_pro_mist_filter/
Unrelated question: how do you feel about your name since it's been co-opted by meme culture? I'm assuming it's pronounced the same as Karen? Unless I'm wrong, you've never really formally introduced yourself in your videos. Of course there's always the possibility that memes don't hold that much weight in Germany where if I'm not mistaken is where you're from?
Very valid question actually haha! I am a meme-head myself, so this meme hit me very hard, but generally speaking meme culture is not as big here in Germany I would say. At least I have not heard any "Karen" related jokes here yet. But my name is also pronounced in a very German way which does not sound too much like "Karen". But just to make that clear: I am not a Karen in real life 😂
@@KarinMajoka Glad to know that your UA-cam persona isn't just an act for the camera. Is it okay if I request for you to give us an introduction and say your name in the next video, so I can hear how you pronounce it?
@@merriammerkabah408 Actually, I pronounced it in the "German way" in some prior videos (e.g. in the one where my sister shoots film for the first time). I might include saying my name more regularly in videos because I get questions about it rather often - but I am not that "Hey guys, it's Karin, welcome back to my channel"-type of person haha that's just not me. So I will see when it feels fitting and natural, thanks for the request :)
So you just gone say "mist filter" means something different in German, then just blow right by it without filling us non-German speakers in? I was waiting on the explanation lol
Hahaha, I did not want to swear in front of the camera 😬 "Mist" basically is a milder form of "sh*t" in German.
mist ha ha