You see Bloke, soldiers didn't have helmets. They instead fashioned headdresses made entirely of clips. So if anyone got hit, every kraut within a 300 metre radius would pop their head out of cover.
"Aha! One of ze amerikans ran out of ammo for his rifle, I'll will stick my head out, despite there beeing atleast 20 more of zem haha" -Fritz, german soldier Honestly sth like that would only happen in a video game, not in real life.... Also how is it disrespecting/hating vets, when you ask them about this trick.....
I've often thought it's disrespecting vets to perpetuate myths about their equipment, so I think it's actually brining honour to them by finding out what was *actually* the problems, not make them up.
I am a World War II reenactor I do fallschirmjäger regiment 6 I have done many public and private battles and never have I heard the Ping of an M1 Garand it is impossible over the sound of machine guns and rifles and the occasional tank
Bloke on the Range the blanks we have here in the states are very loud and have a magnificent Flash they're probably not as loud as live ammunition but they are very close
I reenact WWII American, if there is someone next to you with a rifle of any kind, you can barely even hear your own rifle ping. If you are using a rifle, and the person next to you is using a M1, the only time you know its ejected the clip is when the bastard thing bounces off your arm/rifle. I have also had the privilege of speaking to an actual FJ who dropped onto Crete (Here in New Zealand, yes, an *ACTUAL* WWII German Soldier, shock horror they do exist) and we were laughing about a great many of these stories that go about. Although, the one one story that always does come up with veterans is the near-legendary status of British officers and their near-suicidal levels of cockyness..
partizan forces I agree with you 100%. And at the range when we were younger, many of us were firing on line with live ammo and could not hear the ping. In the battery 100 m to our right where the next group of 5 men were awaiting turns at targets, they could not hear the ping, nor coyld we hear the ping of their clips. This was just during adrenaline of timed accuracy fire, not accounting for being shot at.
The only conceivable way any German or Japanese soldier would hear the ping is if in some strange event after youve fired your 8th round, it pings from the rifle, off your helmet, off your buddys helmet, off a nearby concrete wall, and onto the floor. And thats a maybe.
but if there's 2 or more of you there, the enemy soldiers probably know that, and they're not going to poke their heads out if that's the case. i mean, one might be reloading, but some still have ammo left.
ua-cam.com/users/shorts1LENicy6KlQ and listen to the ping while ejecting and empty clip. During combat, you are being shot at and performing things in a hurry.
I'm a WW2 reenactor also and I've never heard the M1 ping in "combat" with realistic sounding blanks and the overall sounds of combat. Even if I did I could not take advantage of it because soldiers are rarely alone. Another point to make is that there was a wide variety of weapons issued to American forces in WW2. 1903s, M1 Carbines, Thompsons, BARs, M3 Grease Guns, fought along side the Garand so enemy troops wouldn't listen out for or be able to distinguish the M1s out of all the weapons firing at them. One last point is that on Guadalcanal most American troops were US Marines that were still using 1903 rifles. This means that the point about Japanese troops on Guadalcanal knowing to listen to the ping is garbage since they wouldn't have enough experience with it yet.
We had to fire our FALs without earpro when i was a rrecruit for the RAAF... Couldnt hear a damned thing for hours after. Couldnt imagine being able to hear the m1 ping in combat when being shot at by an m1 equipped unit. Having fired an M1 with ear pro on yes the firer can hear the ping while on a firing line, but when my instructor was firing it i couldnt hear it ping from 20m away...so i am well n truly with you bloke, seems like all those supposed ruses A wouldnt work anyway and B are far more likely to get you killed than otherwise...
Did similar firing an M60 back in my Australian Army days. Still not recovered my hearing 35 years later. You're not going to hear a ping on a battlefield.
Neat. Direct testing is the easiest way to determine whether or not something would be feasible. Of course it won't stop people from screaming about stuff like this anyway, but it's a good effort.
I don't have a firsthand account of that era of battlefield, but I do have a firsthand account of modern ones. 1. Does someone in a firefight fiddle around with stuff not necessarily important to the fight? Yes we do. Believe it or not, there is a lot of laughing, joking, and other nonsense. I've even seen people throwing rocks. 2. Hearing loss. Yes, you are spot on with this this one. However, not only does tinnitus make it harder to hear, it also makes noises less clear, making clunks and clangs sound alike. My ears ring every day of my life, and I get all sorts of sounds confused. 3. Fight or flight. The fight or flight response makes holding anything in delicate matter completely impossible. It increases strength and gross motor function, so you can still throw stuff and run, but you won't be holding a clip delicately enough to get a ding out of it. 4. Water bottles. The water bottle, or canteen as we Americans call it, has a canteen cup issued with it. This is the tin cup you've been beating yourself about the head with. No soldier would ever risk losing it, so we're not taking it out during battle. Very well done, and I really enjoy your videos.
disrespecting veterans by dispelling myths and lies..? don't listen to those people.. that's actually insane. they probably never met a veteran outside of COD. people can be so loony with their war fandoms.
My late grandfather was in the Marines (1/7) and fought on Guadalcanal, so this book you quote from seems dubious and I'll explain why: The Marines didn't have Garands during that campaign. Their weapons were the Springfield, BAR and Thompson. Other weapons included various pistols, shotguns, plus a handful of Reisings, Johnson rifles and Johnson LMGs obtained from Raiders and a recently disbanded Marine parachute unit. So I doubt the story originated with the Marines. Now Army units arriving later in the campaign did have Garands, so maybe the story originated with green GIs who mistakenly thought the Japanese were charging them under fire because of the sound of the ejected clip, when in reality, Japanese troops charged under fire no matter what the enemy was doing. My grandfather told me that some Marines (and I assume GIs too) did talk about carrying empty clips during later fighting in the South Pacific for the purpose of baiting Japanese troops. But the way he described it, it seemed more like a security blanket for inexperienced troops rather than an effective ploy (he used a Tommy Gun), and in any event clips were much more useful for holding rounds, not as metal duck calls.
Something worth noting is the fact that the people who were in combat exchanging fire with each other were not wearing ear protection. I've had the unfortunate experience of having a mini-14 fired next to my unprotected ear and I can tell you, I would NOT hear a "ping" sound with the ringing going on in my ears.
a lot of it might be due to the noise that microphones pick up (in old films, TV, ect.) vs what people pick up. For example I was filming some rapid fire shooting and you could hear the rounds ejecting and movement of bolts ect. quite clearly but with the human ear all you could hear was BANG BANG BANG B-Bang, bang bang bang badoom badoom badoom phut phut phut phut bang BANG cutchoo cutchoo cutchoo, zwing (ricochet as someone totally misses and hits the glacis in from.of the targets) B-Bang, B-Bang BANG *whistle sound* CEASE FIRING, MAGAZINES REMOVED BOLTS OPEN SHOW CLEAR.
I've seen a few Garands (my dad owns one of them) with two rows of four dings on the stock where the GI tried to seat the rounds in the clip. Perhaps the method of tapping the clip against the rifle and helmet to seat the rounds in the clip was taken out of context and is partly to blame for the myth of bumping the clip on things to replicate the ping? Excellent video.
done a test a few years ago on "the ping" complete with several automatic weapons singing away to simulate a firefight, there's no bloody way you'd hear the ping
I was told they would tie one end of a string to a clip and the other to the tail of a sleeping animal that way the bang would wake up the animal causing it to run, thus a ping after a bang.
Nice try, good luck getting it to stick. What's the next in the series, just you banging your head slowly against the wall and sobbing while throwing M1 clips on the floor? Love the channel, by the way, and I don't even shoot...
Bloke on the Range, Of note & interest is that "Fighting on Guadalcanal" which was published in 1943 and assembled using interviews from Marines and Soldiers from the battle only lists one problem with the M-1 Rifle: "Major Ben. J. Northridge, C.O. 2d Battalion, 164th Infantry: 'We like this M1 rifle, but we don't like the way the front end shines.'"(51) www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/usmc/fmfrp/12-110/fmfrp12-110.pdf You'd think that if the ping was as much as a problem as Dunlap said during the Battle of Guadalcanal that it would get mentioned at least once. The problem is also not mentioned in any of the US Army's "Combat Lessons, Rank and File in Combat: What They Are Doing, How They Do It". They can all be found on archive.org for those wishing to double check.
Bloke on the Range, Thank you very much! Feel kinda honored haha Still curious and trying to find out where Dunlop got the idea about the ping and if Aberdeen experimented with plastic enblocs at all and if so was it related to sound or(as I'd suspect) it was a rationing thing. Fun fact they did experiment with ways to ensure the that the gas cylinder's finish would not wear off and thus not become shiny. I find the historiography and origin of the myth fascinating and I'm certain you found the origin of it with Dunlop.
Bloke on the Range, Just had an idea, I know "American Rifleman", the journal of the National Rifle Association(NRA) did a lot of stories during the war on military related subjects including rifles. It'd be interesting: 1. What does it say about the M1(both good and bad) during the war 2. When does the "ping" issue first get mentioned. I'd be willing to bet a round of drinks it's after the publication of Dunlop's book.
My father used an M1 in Vietnam when he was attached to a Ranger squad. That ping was nothing compared to surrounding firefights and the background noises of the jungle. The only person who heard that ping was the guy firing the rifle.Aside from the clip ejecting, the ping was an alert to the shooter that his weapon was empty. It did NOTHING to alert the enemy. Even when fighting from less than 50 yards away, you can't hear the ping over the sound of the last bullet being fired.
I have seen Garland buttstocks that have groups of 8 little dings in the wood where some soldier has hit the enbloc clip against the stock to seat uneven rounds.
Ron Lynquist they dressed up as clips and ran around shouting PING! and when a German popped his head up, or a Japanese started a banzai charge, they’d shoot them
Still the ping nonsense? WOW! Lets say it worked, I call that evolution in progress or survival of the fittest. Yes, because I hear a ping I will leave my fortified position to charge the enemy head on and ignore everything else. Yeah, right, there goes Fritz/Tomy/Ivan/Giovanni/Hiro. It was nice to know them.
Hello Bloke, is it possible they were speaking about the Korean conflict? Perhaps, the North Korean and Chinese troops had the "ping" obssession? No? OK, I've collected numerous War II stories from tens of US GI veterans and I have to tell you that...I haven't heard any such reference to M-1 ping either. I asked them what they thought about their weaponry, and I recall only about one third would have liked to carry a "Tommy Gun." Maybe two or three would have preferred the BAR. As far as side arms, if issued, the Colt 1911 was their choice. European theater vets wanted P-38's (Lugars) and flags with Swastikas or the occasional Schnauzer [sic.]. Pacific GI's wanted swords and Rising Sun flags. Two neighbors of mine were WW II vets, one Europe and one Pacific and after hour upon hour of recitals, neither mentioned M-1 Ping even once. One did allege that Japanese soldiers could recognize the smell of tinned corned beef or SPAM cooking.
My father read that book when it was first out and thought it was a load of grandstanding bullshit in fancy covers. If I remember right, it(the book) migrated to the outhouse soon after pop's read it. Said it was only good for second rate shit paper.
I saw a clip on here where a US paratrooper who carried an M1 across Europe was asked about this exact thing and said it's complete nonsense. Search for paratrooper talks about M1 his name is Don Barlett or something like that
Perhaps a side of this that no one has considered. If the Germans and Japanese were clever enough to learn that the sound of an empty clip meant that a GI's rifle was empty, might they also be clever enough to lean that the GI's were using empty clips to lure them out to their deaths and therefore wouldn't peak their heads out at the first ping they hear.
My WWII U.S. Marine Crops Veteran friend (Guadalcanal, Cape Gloucester, Peleliu (Silver Star) and Okinawa) said this to be about the "ping myth" "the "ping" noise was never a factor in any encounter that I was in and I never heard any complaints from my friends about it... Most combat situations are so noisy that your hearing is not attuned to a "ping" even when its yours..."
For those few who are new to guns and wonder about the tapping of an M16 mag against the helmet, that is just to make sure the rounds are seated in the magazine properly so there are no feeding issues. You do that on your helmet so that you don't have to find a rock or other hard surface that is likely far dirtier than your helmet and thus more likely to cause a malfunction of some sort.
John Tanner can you imagine the song and dance? "Clang clang bang bang. This is how you kill nazis! Clang clang bang bang fighting is so much fun when you get to dance!"
Hogwash! The way the GIs really did this during WWII was to have a sound file on their iPhone of the clip ping, they would play the file when ever they wanted to fool the enemy. It worked every time.
It's plausible veterans thought about it, but your mates were putting plenty of rounds downrange. Good fodder for movies, I'd venture. Think you're spot on. It took me a while to recognize the Enfield bolt on your "Frankenrifle". I love the Enfield, as a lad it was the first big rifle I shot. My brother and I reworked that Enfield and discovered the stock was made from a lovely piece of walnut! They used what they had in support of the war effort. Ended up a brilliant looking rifle indeed. Love the Lee Enfield bolt and action, it's a brilliant old rifle.
There's no way in hell that the ping can be heard over a battlefield. And even if it could there's countless other soldiers still firing so nobody is going to try and shoot the guy whos out of ammo because they're going to get cut down. MAYBE if there's one enemy in a house against one American by some crazy chance and they're firing back and forth then the enemy might be able to hear it and rush in but he has already proved that the reload speed is fast enough to counter that.
No no, what would happen is that the soldier would expertly throw the empty clip in the air and shoot at it creating the first ding and then the 2nd ding was cause by them expertly ricocheting the empty clip onto the German helmet! SIMPLE!
I'm in the US Air Force and during M16 firing once my instructor told us he had army personnel smack themselves in the head with a magazine, because the Air Force didn't wear helmets at the time during shooting but the Army does and they're trained to seat rounds with their helmets and the Air Force is trained to use their palms.
Since no soldier in WW11 wore hearing protection after a minimum of 2 shots he couldn't hear himself fart. To say an enemy could hear the ping of the clip leaving the rifle is pure baloney dreamed up by some writer. House to house close combat, discharging a pistol in a room, let alone a full power rifle would and did give permanent hearing damage. To be able to hear the ping in close house to house combat is again baloney! And yes I own and use a M1 Garand and shoot it often.
I begin to wonder if the prominence of the "ping" in our modern ears is because we're using proper hearing protection. If the frequency of the ping sound is better able to penetrate our hearing protection, it would seem to be much louder than it is compared to other firing noises.
And it occurs to me that a far easier, much much more effective trick to lure a German soldier to come rushing out at you from behind cover would be to simply yell as loud as you can, "MEIN GOTT, I'M ALL OUT OF AMMO... oops, I mean... ICH HABE KEINE MUNITION MEHR!"
Hi. I was just watching a demonstration of a Lewis gun firing, ("Lewis Gun at the Range" by the crew at Forgotten Weapons) and heard the "M1 ping"...well, close to it. It was the sound of a freshly ejected casing hitting another casing. I've never heard the sound while firing anything myself before, but the moment I heard that ping a couple of times, I just thought immediately of passing that on.
I know people used this tactic in video games like Call of Duty, it was nice to hear the "ping" when in a 1v1 type situation because you knew you could either move position or rush the guy. Probably not feasible in real combat.
The "major" problems with the en-bloc clip used in the M-1 Garand (other than the 8 round limit) that I've always heard/read about were: 1) If the rounds weren't loaded in the correct configuration early production rifles would malfunction and fail to feed or jam. That problem was corrected with a modification/manufacturing correction of an internal component(s) of the rifle's magazine. 2) After battle reports are supposed to have noted a lot of wasted unexpended ammo found on the battlefield were soldiers dumped the remaining rounds in the rifle and reloaded with a fresh clip before their next movement during an assault (though I've seen other commentators on other channels say this is a myth).
The Marines were using the '03 Springfield for the invasion of Guadalcanal in August 1942. When Army units relieved and reinforced in October, they had Garands.
Also the m1 eclip drop. From what my uncle explains was just used during room/building clearing where the eclip was just thrown on the flor or agents a wall. It was a used clip normaly bent where it would cling to the shirt or pocket. It was not held in the hand the whole time.
Poor Bloke - You had to labour a point for people who in any case don't want to understand. In my experience they were probably 10 year old's who played too much MOH anyway. Remember - 'Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.' :P
The bulk of the fighting on Guadalcanal was the First Marine division who were armed with Springfield M1903 Rifles and a relatively small number of Johnson semioutomatci rifles. Not to many pings there. Also the volume of sound during a firefight is such that you usually can't hear someone next you shouting, unless they have tuned their head towards you, and sometimes not even then.
Think about this 'fact' for a moment: the war combatants on every side of the WW II conflict DID NOT WEAR hearing protection as infantry fighters (although the artillery personnel sometimes did), so if you have ever experienced firing a high power rifle without hearing protection, you will realize that their ability to hear a 'ping' sound after firing many rounds of rifle and machine-gun ammo- cannot hear the audio ping of an M1 Garand clip at some distance away. Also, much fighting was done in the jingle, forest and open field area- terrain that deadens the ping of a M1 clip being ejected.
The Marines were using the '03 Springfield for the invasion of Guadalcanal in August 1942. When Army units relieved and reinforced in October, they had Garands. Also, the myth of the ping came about in 1937, long before war use, and was circulated in barrack BS sessions according to vets. All of this info is from the book "The M1 Garand Rifle" by Bruce Canfield. The author also quotes a letter to the American Rifleman magazine from Feb. 2012. In summary, some German vets were interviewed about the ping and they found it laughable.
FTR, I used to tap my M16 magazine on my helmet or somewhere all the time. But that was to seat the rounds. My father said he also tapped his BAR magazines back in WWII but did not say if it was on the helmet or not. (again to seat the rounds.) As for the M1 ping. I'm in agreement that it was more Hollywood. I would assume tossing an empty clip may have happened in the same fashion as tossing a rock or anything else and it may have been done on very rare occasions in a sniping type situation.
I know first-hand that the ping was much more dangeous to the enemy than the bullet itself. Often the japanese soldiers would hear the ping, then they would think to themselves, "are they out of bullets? Or, are they trying to trick me? Or, are they out of bullets and im thinking im being tricked or are they tricking and i think they are out of bullets? Wait, what do i even think anymore what do i...." another ping is heard. Brain explodes.
I'm from the Philippines, where the military still issues the M1 to the men of our neighborhood militia, some of us prefer to "disable" the "ping mechanism" that ejects the clip...simply because those N-block clips are hard to come by
Now that I think about it, all I ever heard about this came from people who were not there. If anything, they were on the shooting range with hearing protection.
Bloke, I was wondering if your video about lubing 7.62x54R was still in the works. You mentioned it in your recreating lubed cartridges video, as you suggested it may help with sticky extraction in the Mosin Nagant. Thanks.
Bloke on the Range When you do, make sure to clean the chamber REALLY well and make sure the bolt head and extractor is in good shape. Part of sticky bolt is dried cosmoline and another part is peened over extractors that dig too deep in the case and peened over bolt heads that do the same. Another part is rough finishing of the camming surfaces on the bolt. IV8888 has a good video on treating sticky bolt. You wanna remove all treatable causes for the sake of accuracy. I.e, see if it helps with the sticky bolt inherent in the design, not related to storage conditions or excessive wear. Looking forward to the video!
My Grandfather was in WW2. in Italy. They were "not fond" of the M1 because there was a "ping." However, he did tell me that it was never anyone he met that was worried about the "silly ping." M1 IS STILL, a great girl.
The en bloc clips were already loaded when soldiers received them. From what I understand, in Korea, when they came at you it didn't matter about pings or clips ejecting, they kept coming. The only malfunctions that actually occurred was from the bolts freezing in cold weather because of the really crappy lubricant/ cleaning fluid issued to troops in Europe.
Are you ever planning to do a left-hand firing video? As a lefty I'm really interested in how left-handed soldiers would handle rifles. Are there even left-handed ww1/2 rifles?
I love it! UA-cam has long been a forum for people that don't have a clue to shoot their mouth off. People that report crap like that always heard it from their cousin's neighbor's sister's former next door neighbor's brother. I like to tell them they are full of it and then I'm a "hater"!
You'd think that if that ping was so loud that the enemy was able to treat it as an out-of-ammo signal, the gun manufacturer would do something about it. If the enemy regularly did pop their heads up when they heard the ping... it takes about five minutes in a workshop to rig up a bicycle-style pinger that you can strap to your gun and have it trigger when you work the bolt. Bang, ping, all but one roundin the magazine left to take out the head-popper-upper. Nobody ever made sucha device as far as I know...
I thought that on a 1 and 1 fight the ping might have some credence. But I realized that it also just might be the fact that a soldier may spring up and attack a GI wasn't because the GI's gun went "ping" but because it was no longer going "bang"
Anyone who believes you would hear a noise in the heat of a gunfight has never shot a gun on a firing line. I read an interesting article called "This is Your Brain on War" and it said your brain effectively shuts off your ears in a fight, "...“But the lion doesn't hear his roar, just like the dog doesn't hear his bark. Their ears shut down, and so do ours. Gunpowder is our roar..."
Bloke showed that it worked but said it wasn't efficient and thus wouldn't be used in an actual combat situation so even if it "worked just fine" it's not actually usable
again, well put mate. I can only see this being a thing in very very limited context. Even then the story about it was probably exaggerated as it passed through the soldiers by word of mouth. It just isn't a thing. Sorry people that have believed this for a long time
I'd be surprised if you'd still be able to discern the "ping" from the sound of the rifle going off and the supersonic crack of a 30.06 being fired at you.
I'm afraid this rabbit hole has no bottom, my friend. You might as well test if Sergeant York's turkey call would really get Germans/ Japanese to poke their heads up. Thank you, though, for your devotion to actual data.
Hello Bloke, is it possible they were speaking about the Korean conflict? Perhaps, the North Korean and Chinese troops had the "ping" obssession? No? OK, I've collected numerous War II stories from tens of US GI veterans and I have to tell you that...I haven't heard any such reference to M-1 ping either. I asked them what they thought about their weaponry, and I recall only about one third would have liked to carry a "Tommy Gun." Maybe two or three would have preferred the BAR. As far as side arms, if issued, the Colt 1911 was their choice. European theater vets wanted P-38's (Lugars) an flags with Swastikas. Pacific GI's wanted swords and Rising Sun flags. Two neighbors of mine were WW II vets, one Europe and Pacific and after hour upon hour of recitals, neither mentioned M-1 Ping even once. One did allege that Japanese soldiers could recognize the smell of tinned corned beef or SPAM cooking.
A German Warrant Officer, who had served in the invasion of France (1940), served in Russia, was wounded and reassigned to France just in time for Normandy. His last post home to his wife said, “I have faced the Americans for the first time. They are the strangest soldiers, they move all night, attack all day and shoot all the time.” The ping did not seem to be something he was worried about.
Perhaps US platoons had a PING man whose job was to carry dozens of empty clips and a slab of concrete. Dropping a clip on the concrete when required to lure ze narzis out of a foxhole
I used to do reenacting as well, Canadian side, but we had a group of guys who used the American battle dress and the M1s. Even with ear protection on, being beside them and everyone firing, you couldn't hear a ping whatsoever. I highly doubt it was a method of fishing Germans or Japanese out of hiding.
Even though it's compete rubbish I've thought of one way it could work. Throw an empty clip high in the air, fire your rifle and then it hits the ground and goes ping. In fact, throw it towards the enemy so they're more likely to hear it.
I agree with you. the stories are maybe possible but they do not seem very practical or likely. I think the stories of the ping where fueled by even earlier stories of post US civil war converted muzzle loader trapdoor rifles that only shot one round at a time. There seems to be a lot of frustration and anger that many Native American (Indians) had lever action repeating rifles and US army did not. The Indians at the post civil war era where often better armed than the army in most cases. looking the battle of little big horn to see one famous example. There is a very similar sounding story of Native Americans waiting for a US Army soldier to fire a round before jumping out shooting. by the 1930's the old west stories was still close to them only around 50 years ago to them witch is less time than we today have to WW2 over 70 years. So instead of a bang now they have a bang and then a ping. So the old wild west story just morphed to the WW2 and Korea Ping story. I am sure some one some where some time might have tried tossing a empty clip but it is really not worth doing. So not much of a criticism of what was a very good rifle at the time.
You see Bloke, soldiers didn't have helmets. They instead fashioned headdresses made entirely of clips. So if anyone got hit, every kraut within a 300 metre radius would pop their head out of cover.
My tinnitus is so loud, when i stop shooting, the enemy hears it and i shoot them when they pop up above the trench
"Aha! One of ze amerikans ran out of ammo for his rifle, I'll will stick my head out, despite there beeing atleast 20 more of zem haha"
-Fritz, german soldier
Honestly sth like that would only happen in a video game, not in real life....
Also how is it disrespecting/hating vets, when you ask them about this trick.....
Because some people get stupid when they get patriotic. Not that there's anything wrong with patriotism, but you get the gist...
LM8522
Those vets were born with thick skin, don't disrespect them please.
TheGoldenCaulk patriotism is scary
I've often thought it's disrespecting vets to perpetuate myths about their equipment, so I think it's actually brining honour to them by finding out what was *actually* the problems, not make them up.
Not really. It's only scary if people take it too far, like it is with everything....
I am a World War II reenactor I do fallschirmjäger regiment 6 I have done many public and private battles and never have I heard the Ping of an M1 Garand it is impossible over the sound of machine guns and rifles and the occasional tank
Bloke on the Range the blanks we have here in the states are very loud and have a magnificent Flash they're probably not as loud as live ammunition but they are very close
I reenact WWII American, if there is someone next to you with a rifle of any kind, you can barely even hear your own rifle ping.
If you are using a rifle, and the person next to you is using a M1, the only time you know its ejected the clip is when the bastard thing bounces off your arm/rifle.
I have also had the privilege of speaking to an actual FJ who dropped onto Crete (Here in New Zealand, yes, an *ACTUAL* WWII German Soldier, shock horror they do exist) and we were laughing about a great many of these stories that go about.
Although, the one one story that always does come up with veterans is the near-legendary status of British officers and their near-suicidal levels of cockyness..
partizan forces I agree with you 100%. And at the range when we were younger, many of us were firing on line with live ammo and could not hear the ping. In the battery 100 m to our right where the next group of 5 men were awaiting turns at targets, they could not hear the ping, nor coyld we hear the ping of their clips. This was just during adrenaline of timed accuracy fire, not accounting for being shot at.
Lindeybeige has a clip on why British officers don't crouch.
Absolutely correct 👍🏻the only ping you hear are your own ear drums ringing lol 😂
It is because you don't believe in the ping. You must believe in the ping for the ping to work.
XD
The only conceivable way any German or Japanese soldier would hear the ping is if in some strange event after youve fired your 8th round, it pings from the rifle, off your helmet, off your buddys helmet, off a nearby concrete wall, and onto the floor. And thats a maybe.
but if there's 2 or more of you there, the enemy soldiers probably know that, and they're not going to poke their heads out if that's the case. i mean, one might be reloading, but some still have ammo left.
ua-cam.com/users/shorts1LENicy6KlQ and listen to the ping while ejecting and empty clip. During combat, you are being shot at and performing things in a hurry.
I'm a WW2 reenactor also and I've never heard the M1 ping in "combat" with realistic sounding blanks and the overall sounds of combat. Even if I did I could not take advantage of it because soldiers are rarely alone.
Another point to make is that there was a wide variety of weapons issued to American forces in WW2. 1903s, M1 Carbines, Thompsons, BARs, M3 Grease Guns, fought along side the Garand so enemy troops wouldn't listen out for or be able to distinguish the M1s out of all the weapons firing at them.
One last point is that on Guadalcanal most American troops were US Marines that were still using 1903 rifles. This means that the point about Japanese troops on Guadalcanal knowing to listen to the ping is garbage since they wouldn't have enough experience with it yet.
A WW2 reenactment sounds interesting, do you know any good places/sources that could I could use to find a way to participate in one?
We had to fire our FALs without earpro when i was a rrecruit for the RAAF... Couldnt hear a damned thing for hours after. Couldnt imagine being able to hear the m1 ping in combat when being shot at by an m1 equipped unit.
Having fired an M1 with ear pro on yes the firer can hear the ping while on a firing line, but when my instructor was firing it i couldnt hear it ping from 20m away...so i am well n truly with you bloke, seems like all those supposed ruses A wouldnt work anyway and B are far more likely to get you killed than otherwise...
Did similar firing an M60 back in my Australian Army days. Still not recovered my hearing 35 years later. You're not going to hear a ping on a battlefield.
Neat. Direct testing is the easiest way to determine whether or not something would be feasible. Of course it won't stop people from screaming about stuff like this anyway, but it's a good effort.
I don't have a firsthand account of that era of battlefield, but I do have a firsthand account of modern ones.
1. Does someone in a firefight fiddle around with stuff not necessarily important to the fight? Yes we do. Believe it or not, there is a lot of laughing, joking, and other nonsense. I've even seen people throwing rocks.
2. Hearing loss. Yes, you are spot on with this this one. However, not only does tinnitus make it harder to hear, it also makes noises less clear, making clunks and clangs sound alike. My ears ring every day of my life, and I get all sorts of sounds confused.
3. Fight or flight. The fight or flight response makes holding anything in delicate matter completely impossible. It increases strength and gross motor function, so you can still throw stuff and run, but you won't be holding a clip delicately enough to get a ding out of it.
4. Water bottles. The water bottle, or canteen as we Americans call it, has a canteen cup issued with it. This is the tin cup you've been beating yourself about the head with. No soldier would ever risk losing it, so we're not taking it out during battle.
Very well done, and I really enjoy your videos.
disrespecting veterans by dispelling myths and lies..? don't listen to those people.. that's actually insane. they probably never met a veteran outside of COD. people can be so loony with their war fandoms.
How the fuck is this disrespecting people when vet don't comment on the ping!
ua-cam.com/users/shorts1LENicy6KlQ Here is your ping.
My late grandfather was in the Marines (1/7) and fought on Guadalcanal, so this book you quote from seems dubious and I'll explain why:
The Marines didn't have Garands during that campaign. Their weapons were the Springfield, BAR and Thompson. Other weapons included various pistols, shotguns, plus a handful of Reisings, Johnson rifles and Johnson LMGs obtained from Raiders and a recently disbanded Marine parachute unit. So I doubt the story originated with the Marines.
Now Army units arriving later in the campaign did have Garands, so maybe the story originated with green GIs who mistakenly thought the Japanese were charging them under fire because of the sound of the ejected clip, when in reality, Japanese troops charged under fire no matter what the enemy was doing.
My grandfather told me that some Marines (and I assume GIs too) did talk about carrying empty clips during later fighting in the South Pacific for the purpose of baiting Japanese troops. But the way he described it, it seemed more like a security blanket for inexperienced troops rather than an effective ploy (he used a Tommy Gun), and in any event clips were much more useful for holding rounds, not as metal duck calls.
Its almost like the M1 Garand was an effective weapon which functioned properly.
Something worth noting is the fact that the people who were in combat exchanging fire with each other were not wearing ear protection. I've had the unfortunate experience of having a mini-14 fired next to my unprotected ear and I can tell you, I would NOT hear a "ping" sound with the ringing going on in my ears.
a lot of it might be due to the noise that microphones pick up (in old films, TV, ect.) vs what people pick up. For example I was filming some rapid fire shooting and you could hear the rounds ejecting and movement of bolts ect. quite clearly but with the human ear all you could hear was BANG BANG BANG B-Bang, bang bang bang badoom badoom badoom phut phut phut phut bang BANG cutchoo cutchoo cutchoo, zwing (ricochet as someone totally misses and hits the glacis in from.of the targets) B-Bang, B-Bang BANG *whistle sound* CEASE FIRING, MAGAZINES REMOVED BOLTS OPEN SHOW CLEAR.
That's the most detailed description of the sound of a shooting range I have ever seen written down.
And so I was like pewpewpew, 'Murica
I've seen a few Garands (my dad owns one of them) with two rows of four dings on the stock where the GI tried to seat the rounds in the clip. Perhaps the method of tapping the clip against the rifle and helmet to seat the rounds in the clip was taken out of context and is partly to blame for the myth of bumping the clip on things to replicate the ping?
Excellent video.
done a test a few years ago on "the ping" complete with several automatic weapons singing away to simulate a firefight, there's no bloody way you'd hear the ping
I was told they would tie one end of a string to a clip and the other to the tail of a sleeping animal that way the bang would wake up the animal causing it to run, thus a ping after a bang.
Here is your ping ua-cam.com/users/shorts1LENicy6KlQ
Nice try, good luck getting it to stick. What's the next in the series, just you banging your head slowly against the wall and sobbing while throwing M1 clips on the floor? Love the channel, by the way, and I don't even shoot...
Video seems slightly Lindybeig-y... I like it XD
I was about to post that aswell XD.....or does Lindybeige sound like Bloke
Prïnce Öf Ängmar it's the tone and theme of busting myths in history.
Am British, have beard and sound roughly the same - can confirm
I was just thinking that. The sort of "stream of consciousness" presentation, I think.
It's the "bye" at the end.
Bloke on the Range,
Of note & interest is that "Fighting on Guadalcanal" which was published in 1943 and assembled using interviews from Marines and Soldiers from the battle only lists one problem with the M-1 Rifle:
"Major Ben. J. Northridge, C.O. 2d Battalion, 164th Infantry: 'We like this M1 rifle, but we don't like the way the front end shines.'"(51)
www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/usmc/fmfrp/12-110/fmfrp12-110.pdf
You'd think that if the ping was as much as a problem as Dunlap said during the Battle of Guadalcanal that it would get mentioned at least once.
The problem is also not mentioned in any of the US Army's "Combat Lessons, Rank and File in Combat: What They Are Doing, How They Do It". They can all be found on archive.org for those wishing to double check.
Bloke on the Range,
Thank you very much! Feel kinda honored haha
Still curious and trying to find out where Dunlop got the idea about the ping and if Aberdeen experimented with plastic enblocs at all and if so was it related to sound or(as I'd suspect) it was a rationing thing. Fun fact they did experiment with ways to ensure the that the gas cylinder's finish would not wear off and thus not become shiny.
I find the historiography and origin of the myth fascinating and I'm certain you found the origin of it with Dunlop.
Bloke on the Range,
Just had an idea, I know "American Rifleman", the journal of the National Rifle Association(NRA) did a lot of stories during the war on military related subjects including rifles. It'd be interesting:
1. What does it say about the M1(both good and bad) during the war
2. When does the "ping" issue first get mentioned. I'd be willing to bet a round of drinks it's after the publication of Dunlop's book.
My father used an M1 in Vietnam when he was attached to a Ranger squad. That ping was nothing compared to surrounding firefights and the background noises of the jungle. The only person who heard that ping was the guy firing the rifle.Aside from the clip ejecting, the ping was an alert to the shooter that his weapon was empty. It did NOTHING to alert the enemy. Even when fighting from less than 50 yards away, you can't hear the ping over the sound of the last bullet being fired.
I have seen Garland buttstocks that have groups of 8 little dings in the wood where some soldier has hit the enbloc clip against the stock to seat uneven rounds.
HAHAHAHA, despite being very educational, this is comedy gold especially with your English accent and funny face lol. XD
I heard veterans dressed up as giant rabbits to distract the enemy!
Ron Lynquist they dressed up as clips and ran around shouting PING! and when a German popped his head up, or a Japanese started a banzai charge, they’d shoot them
Monty Python.
Still the ping nonsense? WOW! Lets say it worked, I call that evolution in progress or survival of the fittest. Yes, because I hear a ping I will leave my fortified position to charge the enemy head on and ignore everything else. Yeah, right, there goes Fritz/Tomy/Ivan/Giovanni/Hiro. It was nice to know them.
Hello Bloke, is it possible they were speaking about the Korean conflict? Perhaps, the North Korean and Chinese troops had the "ping" obssession? No?
OK, I've collected numerous War II stories from tens of US GI veterans and I have to tell you that...I haven't heard any such reference to M-1 ping either. I asked them what they thought about their weaponry, and I recall only about one third would have liked to carry a "Tommy Gun." Maybe two or three would have preferred the BAR. As far as side arms, if issued, the Colt 1911 was their choice. European theater vets wanted P-38's (Lugars) and flags with Swastikas or the occasional Schnauzer [sic.]. Pacific GI's wanted swords and Rising Sun flags. Two neighbors of mine were WW II vets, one Europe and one Pacific and after hour upon hour of recitals, neither mentioned M-1 Ping even once. One did allege that Japanese soldiers could recognize the smell of tinned corned beef or SPAM cooking.
Fred Thorne did you mean P08 Lugers or the P38 pistol?
GIR9595 My mistake, I should clarify P-08 Pistole Parabellum
My father read that book when it was first out and thought it was a load of grandstanding bullshit in fancy covers. If I remember right, it(the book) migrated to the outhouse soon after pop's read it. Said it was only good for second rate shit paper.
I saw a clip on here where a US paratrooper who carried an M1 across Europe was asked about this exact thing and said it's complete nonsense. Search for paratrooper talks about M1 his name is Don Barlett or something like that
Perhaps a side of this that no one has considered. If the Germans and Japanese were clever enough to learn that the sound of an empty clip meant that a GI's rifle was empty, might they also be clever enough to lean that the GI's were using empty clips to lure them out to their deaths and therefore wouldn't peak their heads out at the first ping they hear.
My WWII U.S. Marine Crops Veteran friend (Guadalcanal, Cape Gloucester, Peleliu (Silver Star) and Okinawa) said this to be about the "ping myth"
"the "ping" noise was never a factor in any encounter that I was in and I never heard any complaints from my friends about it... Most combat situations are so noisy that your hearing is not attuned to a "ping" even when its yours..."
For those few who are new to guns and wonder about the tapping of an M16 mag against the helmet, that is just to make sure the rounds are seated in the magazine properly so there are no feeding issues. You do that on your helmet so that you don't have to find a rock or other hard surface that is likely far dirtier than your helmet and thus more likely to cause a malfunction of some sort.
I've heard one where they strap the empty clips to their knees then sort of clack them together.
John Tanner like a one man band?
Dimes On His Eyes Yeah funnily enough.
John Tanner can you imagine the song and dance? "Clang clang bang bang. This is how you kill nazis! Clang clang bang bang fighting is so much fun when you get to dance!"
Dimes On His Eyes Hahahah some people share the darndest things.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
If your close enough to hear a bang your only going to hear ringing after a shot is fired
firing mosins yesterday with an m1 garand next to us.....how the hell did I know the guy was empty. when I looked over at him finishing a reload.
Hogwash! The way the GIs really did this during WWII was to have a sound file on their iPhone of the clip ping, they would play the file when ever they wanted to fool the enemy. It worked every time.
It's plausible veterans thought about it, but your mates were putting plenty of rounds downrange.
Good fodder for movies, I'd venture. Think you're spot on.
It took me a while to recognize the Enfield bolt on your "Frankenrifle". I love the Enfield, as a lad it was the first big rifle I shot.
My brother and I reworked that Enfield and discovered the stock was made from a lovely piece of walnut! They used what they had in support of the war effort. Ended up a brilliant looking rifle indeed.
Love the Lee Enfield bolt and action, it's a brilliant old rifle.
Glad I checked back on this video, that after action report is a fascinating read
'secondary sources....' (tosses book) oh god, I love it man. lol!
If someone you are shooting at is close enough to hear the ping during the noise of combat..you need to get on your sidearm or bayonet toot sweet.
That clip on the helmet sounded like a cow bell. Eureka! Wear a cowbell for the ping!
There's no way in hell that the ping can be heard over a battlefield. And even if it could there's countless other soldiers still firing so nobody is going to try and shoot the guy whos out of ammo because they're going to get cut down. MAYBE if there's one enemy in a house against one American by some crazy chance and they're firing back and forth then the enemy might be able to hear it and rush in but he has already proved that the reload speed is fast enough to counter that.
So good dude, i'm rofl and learning all at once. Thanks again mate can't wait for the next one!
Great video! I 100% agree with you here. I can attest to what you say with regards to the practicalitys of this.
No no, what would happen is that the soldier would expertly throw the empty clip in the air and shoot at it creating the first ding and then the 2nd ding was cause by them expertly ricocheting the empty clip onto the German helmet!
SIMPLE!
I'm in the US Air Force and during M16 firing once my instructor told us he had army personnel smack themselves in the head with a magazine, because the Air Force didn't wear helmets at the time during shooting but the Army does and they're trained to seat rounds with their helmets and the Air Force is trained to use their palms.
Looks like it was more likely that soldiers would ring a dinner triangle bell and yell "come and get it boys!" than all these myths :P
Since no soldier in WW11 wore hearing protection after a minimum of 2 shots he couldn't hear himself fart. To say an enemy could hear the ping of the clip leaving the rifle is pure baloney dreamed up by some writer.
House to house close combat, discharging a pistol in a room, let alone a full power rifle would and did give permanent hearing damage. To be able to hear the ping in close house to house combat is again baloney! And yes I own and use a M1 Garand and shoot it often.
WW11? Eleven?
I begin to wonder if the prominence of the "ping" in our modern ears is because we're using proper hearing protection. If the frequency of the ping sound is better able to penetrate our hearing protection, it would seem to be much louder than it is compared to other firing noises.
Here is your ping 6 years later ua-cam.com/users/shorts1LENicy6KlQ
Thanks you brought a lot of light to this
I’m a Vietnam veteran and when you are in a fire fight you don’t hear shit
And it occurs to me that a far easier, much much more effective trick to lure a German soldier to come rushing out at you from behind cover would be to simply yell as loud as you can, "MEIN GOTT, I'M ALL OUT OF AMMO... oops, I mean... ICH HABE KEINE MUNITION MEHR!"
Less concerned about ping, more concerned about you never ever removing the price label from anything you own :D
you need to do a cover of the frozen song let it go "let it ping"
lol
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeEeEEeEEeeEeeeeeeeerrrr- The Bloke.
Hi. I was just watching a demonstration of a Lewis gun firing, ("Lewis Gun at the Range" by the crew at Forgotten Weapons) and heard the "M1 ping"...well, close to it. It was the sound of a freshly ejected casing hitting another casing. I've never heard the sound while firing anything myself before, but the moment I heard that ping a couple of times, I just thought immediately of passing that on.
I know people used this tactic in video games like Call of Duty, it was nice to hear the "ping" when in a 1v1 type situation because you knew you could either move position or rush the guy. Probably not feasible in real combat.
The "major" problems with the en-bloc clip used in the M-1 Garand (other than the 8 round limit) that I've always heard/read about were:
1) If the rounds weren't loaded in the correct configuration early production rifles would malfunction and fail to feed or jam. That problem was corrected with a modification/manufacturing correction of an internal component(s) of the rifle's magazine.
2) After battle reports are supposed to have noted a lot of wasted unexpended ammo found on the battlefield were soldiers dumped the remaining rounds in the rifle and reloaded with a fresh clip before their next movement during an assault (though I've seen other commentators on other channels say this is a myth).
The Marines were using the '03 Springfield for the invasion of Guadalcanal in August 1942. When Army units relieved and reinforced in October, they had Garands.
Also the m1 eclip drop. From what my uncle explains was just used during room/building clearing where the eclip was just thrown on the flor or agents a wall. It was a used clip normaly bent where it would cling to the shirt or pocket. It was not held in the hand the whole time.
Love these video's! Keep it up!
This is like a glorified Microwave Cooking Convention. Ping! Ping! Ping! Hilarious....Heureuse Année ! Bloke, Chap et familles...
Poor Bloke - You had to labour a point for people who in any case don't want to understand. In my experience they were probably 10 year old's who played too much MOH anyway. Remember - 'Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.' :P
Enemy should be on ping hearing range😀😀😀😀 .....that was terrific man
The bulk of the fighting on Guadalcanal was the First Marine division who were armed with Springfield M1903 Rifles and a relatively small number of Johnson semioutomatci rifles. Not to many pings there. Also the volume of sound during a firefight is such that you usually can't hear someone next you shouting, unless they have tuned their head towards you, and sometimes not even then.
Thanks for the videos. I do think you need some more background Blachen for your Bloke off(?) the Range videos.
Think about this 'fact' for a moment: the war combatants on every side of the WW II conflict DID NOT WEAR hearing protection as infantry fighters (although the artillery personnel sometimes did), so if you have ever experienced firing a high power rifle without hearing protection, you will realize that their ability to hear a 'ping' sound after firing many rounds of rifle and machine-gun ammo- cannot hear the audio ping of an M1 Garand clip at some distance away. Also, much fighting was done in the jingle, forest and open field area- terrain that deadens the ping of a M1 clip being ejected.
The Marines were using the '03 Springfield for the invasion of Guadalcanal in August 1942. When Army units relieved and reinforced in October, they had Garands. Also, the myth of the ping came about in 1937, long before war use, and was circulated in barrack BS sessions according to vets. All of this info is from the book "The M1 Garand Rifle" by Bruce Canfield. The author also quotes a letter to the American Rifleman magazine from Feb. 2012. In summary, some German vets were interviewed about the ping and they found it laughable.
Good history bloke. Well done.
You're doing it wrong; of course you throw the clip in the air and when it's about to hit your head you fire a shot... :D
I'm just curious but how much does an M1 grand cost in Switzerland. Would highly appreciate your feedback.
FTR, I used to tap my M16 magazine on my helmet or somewhere all the time. But that was to seat the rounds. My father said he also tapped his BAR magazines back in WWII but did not say if it was on the helmet or not. (again to seat the rounds.) As for the M1 ping. I'm in agreement that it was more Hollywood. I would assume tossing an empty clip may have happened in the same fashion as tossing a rock or anything else and it may have been done on very rare occasions in a sniping type situation.
I know first-hand that the ping was much more dangeous to the enemy than the bullet itself. Often the japanese soldiers would hear the ping, then they would think to themselves, "are they out of bullets? Or, are they trying to trick me? Or, are they out of bullets and im thinking im being tricked or are they tricking and i think they are out of bullets? Wait, what do i even think anymore what do i...." another ping is heard. Brain explodes.
I'm from the Philippines, where the military still issues the M1 to the men of our neighborhood militia, some of us prefer to "disable" the "ping mechanism" that ejects the clip...simply because those N-block clips are hard to come by
Now that I think about it, all I ever heard about this came from people who were not there. If anything, they were on the shooting range with hearing protection.
Bloke, I was wondering if your video about lubing 7.62x54R was still in the works. You mentioned it in your recreating lubed cartridges video, as you suggested it may help with sticky extraction in the Mosin Nagant. Thanks.
Bloke on the Range When you do, make sure to clean the chamber REALLY well and make sure the bolt head and extractor is in good shape. Part of sticky bolt is dried cosmoline and another part is peened over extractors that dig too deep in the case and peened over bolt heads that do the same. Another part is rough finishing of the camming surfaces on the bolt. IV8888 has a good video on treating sticky bolt. You wanna remove all treatable causes for the sake of accuracy. I.e, see if it helps with the sticky bolt inherent in the design, not related to storage conditions or excessive wear. Looking forward to the video!
Bloke on the Range
I look forward to seeing it.
My Grandfather was in WW2. in Italy. They were "not fond" of the M1 because there was a "ping." However, he did tell me that it was never anyone he met that was worried about the "silly ping." M1 IS STILL, a great girl.
The en bloc clips were already loaded when soldiers received them. From what I understand, in Korea, when they came at you it didn't matter about pings or clips ejecting, they kept coming. The only malfunctions that actually occurred was from the bolts freezing in cold weather because of the really crappy lubricant/ cleaning fluid issued to troops in Europe.
also the M1 garand was manufactured here in the U.S. in 1939, Check that field manual, it's called an. E-block no.7
Are you ever planning to do a left-hand firing video? As a lefty I'm really interested in how left-handed soldiers would handle rifles. Are there even left-handed ww1/2 rifles?
Bloke on the Range Sinisterism? I googled it but only really found theater, movie, and occult references.
I love it! UA-cam has long been a forum for people that don't have a clue to shoot their mouth off. People that report crap like that always heard it from their cousin's neighbor's sister's former next door neighbor's brother. I like to tell them they are full of it and then I'm a "hater"!
Sorry to ask but in what country do you live?
You'd think that if that ping was so loud that the enemy was able to treat it as an out-of-ammo signal, the gun manufacturer would do something about it. If the enemy regularly did pop their heads up when they heard the ping... it takes about five minutes in a workshop to rig up a bicycle-style pinger that you can strap to your gun and have it trigger when you work the bolt. Bang, ping, all but one roundin the magazine left to take out the head-popper-upper. Nobody ever made sucha device as far as I know...
I thought that on a 1 and 1 fight the ping might have some credence. But I realized that it also just might be the fact that a soldier may spring up and attack a GI wasn't because the GI's gun went "ping" but because it was no longer going "bang"
Anyone who believes you would hear a noise in the heat of a gunfight has never shot a gun on a firing line. I read an interesting article called "This is Your Brain on War" and it said your brain effectively shuts off your ears in a fight, "...“But the lion doesn't hear his roar, just like the dog doesn't hear his bark. Their ears shut down, and so do ours. Gunpowder is our roar..."
Clearly you're missing the two things that would make the ping ruse work - 1) wishful thinking, and 2) confirmation bias.
You just showed it working fine... And just said "really?" afterwards...
I reckon that it's perfectly plausible, and clearly possible.
Sean Dali Did you even watch his video on audio side of things? In combat and other people firing around you, no one is going to hear a small ping.
Sean Dali something working is different from something being efficient
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I never said it's efficient.
what are you talking about?
Bloke showed that it worked but said it wasn't efficient and thus wouldn't be used in an actual combat situation so even if it "worked just fine" it's not actually usable
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"wasn't efficient and thus wouldn't be used "
Purely speculative.
It's possible and even plausible.
The ringing IS quite intense even after one shot.
Our tin mug is STILL under a water bottle, in a water bottle pouch. We need a lessons learned for that. Took forever to make hot chocolate :(
Battle is incredibly loud, you have to shout just to hear your own voice. You won't hear a 'ping' even from the guy standing next to you.
again, well put mate. I can only see this being a thing in very very limited context. Even then the story about it was probably exaggerated as it passed through the soldiers by word of mouth. It just isn't a thing. Sorry people that have believed this for a long time
I'd be surprised if you'd still be able to discern the "ping" from the sound of the rifle going off and the supersonic crack of a 30.06 being fired at you.
10:46 roll 4D6 for diplomacy. Almost botched it. But you nailed the German accent.
I'm afraid this rabbit hole has no bottom, my friend.
You might as well test if Sergeant York's turkey call would really get Germans/ Japanese to poke their heads up.
Thank you, though, for your devotion to actual data.
You should have the Chap stand ten feet away and throw an empty clip at your helmet as hard as he can
Admiral Percy I thought the very same thing!
Hello Bloke, is it possible they were speaking about the Korean conflict? Perhaps, the North Korean and Chinese troops had the "ping" obssession? No?
OK, I've collected numerous War II stories from tens of US GI veterans and I have to tell you that...I haven't heard any such reference to M-1 ping either. I asked them what they thought about their weaponry, and I recall only about one third would have liked to carry a "Tommy Gun." Maybe two or three would have preferred the BAR. As far as side arms, if issued, the Colt 1911 was their choice. European theater vets wanted P-38's (Lugars) an flags with Swastikas. Pacific GI's wanted swords and Rising Sun flags. Two neighbors of mine were WW II vets, one Europe and Pacific and after hour upon hour of recitals, neither mentioned M-1 Ping even once. One did allege that Japanese soldiers could recognize the smell of tinned corned beef or SPAM cooking.
A German Warrant Officer, who had served in the invasion of France (1940), served in Russia, was wounded and reassigned to France just in time for Normandy. His last post home to his wife said, “I have faced the Americans for the first time. They are the strangest soldiers, they move all night, attack all day and shoot all the time.”
The ping did not seem to be something he was worried about.
I can't believe people are so stupid. Its all an absolute nonsense, all of the situations. C'est bordel.
It's a whorehouse?
Perhaps US platoons had a PING man whose job was to carry dozens of empty clips and a slab of concrete. Dropping a clip on the concrete when required to lure ze narzis out of a foxhole
The A1 version only had a pistol grip but in the field mods used grout to fit bells and whistles
I used to do reenacting as well, Canadian side, but we had a group of guys who used the American battle dress and the M1s. Even with ear protection on, being beside them and everyone firing, you couldn't hear a ping whatsoever. I highly doubt it was a method of fishing Germans or Japanese out of hiding.
Even though it's compete rubbish I've thought of one way it could work.
Throw an empty clip high in the air, fire your rifle and then it hits the ground and goes ping.
In fact, throw it towards the enemy so they're more likely to hear it.
I agree with you. the stories are maybe possible but they do not seem very practical or likely. I think the stories of the ping where fueled by even earlier stories of post US civil war converted muzzle loader trapdoor rifles that only shot one round at a time. There seems to be a lot of frustration and anger that many Native American (Indians) had lever action repeating rifles and US army did not. The Indians at the post civil war era where often better armed than the army in most cases. looking the battle of little big horn to see one famous example. There is a very similar sounding story of Native Americans waiting for a US Army soldier to fire a round before jumping out shooting. by the 1930's the old west stories was still close to them only around 50 years ago to them witch is less time than we today have to WW2 over 70 years. So instead of a bang now they have a bang and then a ping. So the old wild west story just morphed to the WW2 and Korea Ping story. I am sure some one some where some time might have tried tossing a empty clip but it is really not worth doing. So not much of a criticism of what was a very good rifle at the time.