Pull Guard During a Knife Attack? | Ultimate Self Defense Championship Season 2 Shank Tank Breakdown
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I think they should do this experiment but with average ppl with some training in different combative... I would love to do this for the educational experience
Grapplers?
Where did they find you icy Mike ?
Your just king of the kids lol
And you ain’t a fighter
You just run a channel where you give an opinion that you aren’t qualified to give😂
@@Changeiscoming647 Ever seen the playlist of IcyMike on his Street Beefz saga?
@Changeiscoming647 I'm sure icy Mike will crush u in a fight ima og fan been watching him for years
And alot of his og fans are great fighters are you if not stfu
I brought shoes, I just forgot them at the fighter airbnb 😅
I really didn't expect your tactic during the knife attack sequence. Really smart of you!
I see loads of memes on Reddit about BJJ guys pulling guard or buttscooting in the face of a knife attack.
But you ACTUALLY did that, and made it work. Madlad.
I suppose it's a realistic depiction of what BJJ guys defending themselves would be like though.
Doesn’t look pretty but it worked
@@saure22 it didn’t work… he got killed 3 times
@@starmochi9692 he died 3 times
"The cast was worse"... 😢 Also, flawless Atomic Bear integration in the video 😎 Kudos
To be fair Rokas, you were ALSO part of the first cast, so this is kind of a compliment.
Told you I am the best at that stuff lol
To be fair I do think that the choice of fighters is a little bit unbalanced. You got absolute units like Jeff and Natan who CLEARLY have the edge, but the Aussie dude is REALLY showing some promise! I'm glad that Ranton is there (mostly because I've always wanted to see him in action!). However Icy Mike, you should return to the USDC dude! I ended up watching this series specifically because you and Ramsay Dewey were in it!
@bensweeney5878 the only good thing about this is that we get to see multiple perspectives in their approach to these situations. as a competition, you're dead right. as a way to study what works and what doesn't, and what WE might struggle with in these situations, it's very valuable.
@@bensweeney5878 From Physical Stature this cast is more balanced than the last one which had a weigh bigger variety in size of any kind.
The biggest takeaway from the USDC so far is that Okinawa is the birthplace of karate.
He said the thing!
And that the average Australian is not to be fucked with
So you did not learn that the The Seishin Karate Gi is most comfortable to wear? Maybe we gonna learn in the following episodes
The biggest problem with the show was NO ICY MIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed.
@@hard2hurt Well, there was a cameo when they showed the atomic bear website. Something is something.
@@hard2hurtseason 3?
Somewhere out there are some zombies that are hiding in fear from Icy Mike!
Next season they should have @hart2hurt come and do live commentary!
You should colaborate with Craig and go kickbox some Australian wildlife.
I think he could probably make videos about mounting televisions and it would be entertaining.
The 'roos all register as 'boxers', but the first thing they do is a double-kick to the face. 😅
yeah craig is now releasing videos on his aussie profile channel, but he seems to indecisive on what direction he should take
That “never mind” when Icy Mike realized what he was saying
Classic 😂
Gotta be honest, IcyMike getting hyped for Ranton's hits was making me grin from ear to ear almost as much as Natan turning into the Terminator.
It was so good!
I respect Jordan for committing to BJJ and trying to solve the problems through the lens of that style rather than falling back on his Muay Thai training. It adds more to the competition to really have the defined differences in people's styles and experimenting in approaches.
Ranton is extremely valuable to the show I think because he's like a huge number of martial artists out there. People who have trained - potentially trained really hard - in their styles but never trained to fight. And having to convert that training into a practical situation essentially on the fly. And based on the showing here the answer is...swinging hooks at the head.
And landing them with devastating effect. Loved seeing Rant-On, after he was Rant-Off for the first few challenges (in his own words lol.)
A lot of that Shaolin training would lend someone the athleticism and flexibility to have a leg-up when learning other martial arts, but on its own, I am curious what it would actually accomplish in the hands of someone with a mind for violence. We already saw Ranton throwing those hands like a champ, for instance. I wonder how much of that was just what he's naturally capable of, and how much of it was aided by his training.
You see that even with martial arts masters vs the Chinese gentleman putting them all to the test (for their own good). They just start swinging haymakers and hooks. Their styles are completely forgotten.
@@Naptosisthe training isn't forgotten. Kung fu is full of haymaker-like moves. They just make them look cool.
@@shirokku3279 I recall Ranton saying he had a "boxing coach" when talking about throwing those punches in the Shank Tank. So it wasn't even his Shaolin training that really helped him there, except possibly for his athleticism. He does seem really open about his style not being great in a fight.
Nobody tried a 2 on 1 to the wrist of the knife hand…… they need to install a wrestler in the house
Ranton finding his ability to "flip the switch" is one of my favorite moments in USDC season 3 so far! I was cheering just like Icy Mike when that part happened.
Mike pissed he didn't get that fighter house
We slept on air mattresses in the gym!
@@hard2hurt sleeping in the gym is for legends!!!
I like that they have a "normal guy" in there this year. I would also like some of the attackers to be "normal guys" as well. Of course there are questions of safety and more, but I agree with Mike's take on the knife switching hands. I believe Icy Mike has a video on people focusing on their weapon when they have one. I believe it is highly likely that someone untrained in any form of combat wouldn't think to switch hands.
It happens about 100x more often in training then outside of training. It happens literally every round in training unless you instruct students not to... and sometimes they still do. In the wild it is extremely rare.
But i feel like if they go out of their way to bring a "normal guy" in they should actually bring a normal guy, Craig did martial arts before and literally had fights in prison. Thats not the average guy imo...
Also, Craig is Australian, basically the automatic equivalent of a jailhouse brawler in America
@@hard2hurtthe fear of losing the death grip they have on the weapon probably overrides their willingness to attempt to switch hands. Or something like that. 🤷♂️
@@heibk-2019Neither Craig or Rokas has said he had prior martial arts experience. Maybe in your social circle a guy like Craig isn’t considered normal, but working in the trades he is 100% typical. I literally apprenticed under a contractor that would bare knuckle brawl in empty barns when he was my age.
Edit: My memory on the first statement wasn't fully accurate. My bad.
bjj black belt: "i'll reveal my plan later..."
as he lays on his side prepping to work off his back... in his head: "no one is going see this coming. haha!"
in reality... everyone knew what was coming...
As much as I like all the competitors I have to admit my money's on Craig to win this, he's got that bear in him and he knows when to use it and when to turn it off, I think that's going to go a long way in season 2.
Intro to USDC Season 2 got the same energy as my class in yr 2 saying *”Good-mor-ning-mis-ter-Sprad-brow”* to our teacher
For real... where was the director?!
In Season 3 I want to see Icy Mike on the aggressors side of the shank tank
No thanks... not now that people have figured out the truth lol.
@@hard2hurt What if season three has the competitors all out of "self-defense gurus" from youtube, showing off their "systems", giving you a huge opportunity to give a taste of "real life" to them?
Ranton - that`s my boy!
They can’t just let mike be the blatant best manliest man fighter man every season… Give that Shaolin monk guy a shot..😂
mike’s return season 3 💯💯
Only orange M&Ms in my dressing room though.
😂😂😂😂
Cheering for Ranton. I'm all about the underdogs and the nice guys.
Yeah they seem to have some subjective aspects to some of these. Jesse literally hit this guy's chin and they said he won from striking the eyes, Jeff stabs their eyes with a pen, and actually hit the eyehole, and doesn't? Them doling out knockout punch wins seems entirely random and up to the guy running it. Oh and the "random beer drinking guy" isn't just random, he did a little BJJ, and "sporadically" trains at the guy running the championships facility. So we're not looking at an untrained guy either.
He technically is untrained since he even says that he slacks off
He also had his first boxing fight coming up right after USDC and multiple people mentioned he is a former "prison bare knuckle boxing champion"
I think they definitely oversell the "NORMAL" which you could debate whether or not thats ok, but he also definitely isnt like the most consistently trained member
Natan is a scary guy man.
In this context, for sure. He seems nice enough in general. He can really turn it on for these challenges, though. The 2nd episode with the bar fight simulations showed his skills beautifully. Everyone coming close enough to strike caught a fist to the face (helmet) the moment they entered striking range and immediately become less motivated to keep going. The same attitude that Mike is talking about for these knife fights - turning the attack back on them. Scary indeed.
@@shirokku3279 yeah, that’s a huge difference between him and even Jeff, who is also a pro but Jeff hyped himself up a little too much in there bar episode and went straight for the fight before trying to calm it. I saw something say he was idf but can’t confirm, him being an 8-2 pro would definitely have them a little worried and then he threw down lol
@@saure22natan was born in france. Probably a dual french-israeli citizen. Not sure if that would exempt him from the draft but i can't find anything that suggested he was in the idf. He certainly acts like i would expect an idf soldier to.
@@lihchong2267 I also tried to find out more but all I saw is that he moved to Isreal as a toddler. Can’t remember where I saw it tho.
@@lihchong2267 Yeah I couldn’t find anything about it either, just saw a comment saying that, maybe true or not but all I could find out was an mma instructor before becoming pro. It’s something someone said online so we’ll never know unless he speaks about it.
All I know is when it comes to ZOMBIE defense your performance will NEVER be topped.
Rokas should have got Mike to do commentary! LOL
I predict the most controversial thing from season 2 will be Craig's level of training/experience.
It's definitely up for discussion.
I suspect if he was just some random guy with no training or experience then he'd not really be in the social circle to get pulled into the USDC. And if he were then he'd lack the confidence to take time of work to take part.
@@sirbobulous They have explicitly acknowledged that Craig does have a considerable amount of training. He is nicknamed ''regular guy'' because he represents someone who does martial arts as a hobby, not as a job. Compare to pro mma fighters and kung-fu monks, he is pretty regular.
@@aliberkozderya3112 Thanks, this is I feel not made clear enough, but he does indeed have some training. It's mentioned that he has a job and life outside of martial arts, with only some training. And most of what he's capable of (in terms of martial arts) looks like what you'd find in any dabbler. There's a decent percentage of people like that. Martial Arts are a common enough way that some people get some exercise, even if they don't do anything with those skills beyond the immediate value that training gives them as exercise.
That was me as a teen, for instance. Never took it anywhere, just used kickboxing training as a way to maintain fitness. It had the added benefit of desensitizing my shins a little, so I don't completely wipe out when I bump them against the coffee table. :D
@@shirokku3279 hahah :D is there a way to get that conditioning for my little toes?
alright mike time to oil up in your first challenge
That's not a bad plan.
@@hard2hurt The olive oil bottle makes a decent improvised 'bonker/poker' too, once the attacker sees you're done lathering up, and attacks. 😅
@@Naptosisever seen cops try to catch those guys? It’s low key legit if you somehow were in a scenario that allowed you to oil up
I don't know if that's 100% sure but Rokas said on his stream that Craig is not the 100% regular guy because he had some bare knuckle fights in prison. That's even more fun watching him rn haha
If you haven't figured it out, people, if Mike roasts you then he'll eventually become your best friend. Rokas and Jesse are prime examples of this. Watch Mike and Ranton collaborate soon, even though there is no reason for it seeing as Ranton is mostly a gaming UA-camr.
Natan is frightening! His skills are undeniably crisp and clean, and he’s strong and huge. When he “flips the switch” bodies really do hit the floor
Did they ever teach you to "pull guard" during a knife attack as a patrol officer/SWAT Icy Mike? I'm curious if MP curriculum is similar to the civilian curriculum in that regard.
It was the first thing I thought... but then I dismissed it as too ridiculous.
I remember the first time I saw it taught to me at the MP school I thought the same thing @@hard2hurt until I tested it like in USDC. Thanks for the response, always a pleasure to watch and learn from your videos sir.
@@G-Lenno I'm not speaking on defence of pulling guard or any specific technique or mindset, so don't take this the wrong way.
MP and officers/SWAT etc have very different goals than civilians in basically every situation, and that alone already presents a HUGE gap in possible curriculums. I've got no envy to their position, and am thankful for the role they take, for sure.
btw, this is based on my very limited personal experience, which comprises of taking part in a few "ride-along"/COP as a volunteering civilian (an experience I absolutely recommend)
@@hard2hurt It's funny I have very little experience with martial arts and when I watched season one I thought just dropping to your back would work but I second-guessed myself because no one actually did it, later when Ramsey Dewy did his review on season1 he said he thought later about what would happen if someone just pulled guard.
@hard2hurt what about going to the ground to draw your weapon. Like Doug Marcaida vs instructor Zero
I love how the S1 members reacting to S2 seem salty 😂😂😂....
I do miss Mike and I hope there is a Redemption Season 💪🏻👍🏻
You had the Zombie-Apocalypse, come on 😂👍🏼😄 and to be fair: he did not pull Guard, he layed down and upkicked. And the Shaolin who never punched someone, he had two in Punch knockout rounds 😂 many surprises, my favorite is the regular Joe 😂
Craig is such a legend. I want him to win so bad.
I have a feeling a lot of people feel this way.
There are a lot of people who say they'll fight anytime, anywhere, but very few who will sign up for this with a week's notice and with a competitor pedigree like UFC and ONE fighters. My man is the Dan Ige of the USDC.
My biggest takeaway is how tough the “regular Joe” is. That Aussie guy is no joke!
Those quotation marks are important.
@@hard2hurt he is certainly not a regular dude. He understands distance and angles well.
he is friend with the production crew and is one of their self deense trainer for kids.
No one wins against a knife sparring like this simply because your not allowed to k.o him and punch him full force . But he is allowed to stab you. Not simulate pain from being hit inThe face . But if he stabs you your sposed to be ( i am dead ) its like Fighting a Boss with infinite hp .
Except Natan who literally ko’d a guy
@@juanmejiagomez5514 in the gym your thinking of your sparring partner safety .
I also feel like a lot of the time they don’t use enough force with the knife, like they’re getting like 11 stabs in a second but they wouldn’t do much damage
Problem is that dudes who train get a sense of false confidence, mainly because they eventually have the ability to start toying with less experienced people. Problem is that mostly, you train to fight in a certain way, against someone who is also fighting in a similar fashion. That leads to the exact same results as a boxing match between a boxer and a grappler, and a grappling match between a grappler and a boxer. If you are unable to anticipate how a potentially lethal attack is going to be executed, you won't win.
People need to train a bit out of the box more. Games like grappling for control over a knife, or boxing a dude trying to hit you with a pool noodle or something. Keep it real fellas.
Also yes i think they did jeff chan dirty with that pen strike and also the headkick he graciously pulled.
That's what I had to say about it, that Jeff should have gotten that point with the atomic bear pen. It is what it is though, and Rokas addressed it nicely.
Would love to see your reaction to the bar fights.
They were awesome. React over lol.
For anyone that doesn't know, the Kung Fu guy (ranton) is seriously the funniest video game reviewer on the platform. 100% recommend anyone check him out
Pulling guard is probably way more effective wearing stilletto heels
Haha loving your reaction my dude ❤
Ha-ha-ha! Great commentary. I'm rooting for Jeff because he seems to be getting shafted by the judges IMHO. Plus I hate underdogs. Joking - they all seem likeable chaps.
didn't the beer drinking regular guy work as a bouncer at one point? maybe I'm wrong.
You guys were clearly the trial run. Been watch Seth's reaction vids too, and his reaction to thr fighter house did not disappoint. 😂😂😂
Mike I honestly think the best self defence against a knife attack is being a good boxer, and going tippy tappy, Once they are knocked out its OVER, instead of grappling you have to fight for the knife as you get stabbed...
Yeah. I can see that. but if the attacker is trained, it's hard to say
If the good guy had a gun Jordan would have been the only one who could have gotten a draw off. That's how that technique is usually taught, not unarmed vs armed.
Well to me, they learned a lot of what they did wrong with season one and made improvements for future competitors. So yea, I would be angry too, but I’d say you and the rest of season one made huge strides that made the people see what they were doing wrong. And made it better and safer even for more fighters to want to come back for more.
they did jeff wrong. he made 4 points there
We been doing this since the 2000s, really surprised these guys with their grades and fame are new too this . And the tactical pen? Steel pen is fine as taught by uk special forces. Actually any pen is fine no one likes being stabbed in the neck with a bic. Breaking a knee first kick works getting your Achilles cut is dumb people don't recover from that.
My friend's brother inlaw survived a knife attack doing EXACTLY what the JJ guy did (lie on his back). He fell on his back and used his legs way less professionally - 100% untrained. He ended up in hospital from the cuts and stabs, but survived.
1 observation is not a method. It "worked" twice on the show too. Knife survability has more to do with how long it takes to get to the hospital than how well you fight in a lot of cases.
@@101289teutonicguy It worked twice on the show and at least once in real-life...AND as a Piper Knife System instructor, I'd agree with you.
Pulling guard is so dumb, it'll protect your organs... sure, but once your legs are sliced up you are left immobilized and bleeding to death
In the context of preventing a life ending injury within 20 seconds it worked fine, the logic is sound enough - keeping his vitals further away and putting non-vital blocks between him and the knife.
But he got slashed up badly every time and without a 20 second timer he'd just die a couple seconds later than if he hadn't pulled guard.
And it presents a perfect opportunity to jab at the femorals IRL.
It's dumb imo. Prevents from running and having escape routes and if the guy target your legs he is still winning
Craig-jitsu for the win. :D When just being Australian is considered a martial art.
🇦🇺
The moment the Icy Mike spotted Jeff utilizing the pen, he felt Jeff should've gotten points from it. As did a large portion of the commenters. Then when he saw Jesse Enkamp get points from the eye strike. Yup. The commenters agreed though they seemed a bit more heated about it. I completely missed the part about Ranton saying the pulling guard was content. He's not wrong but he didn't have say it.
🤣
He put a little crack in the fourth wall with that one.
If You can't pull guard without shoes against a knife attack then You can't fight
They are forgetting.. knife can be thrown too..and dodging that while laying down, not possible
....oh, and the Jiu Jitsu guy too... Savage, bro. And hilarious. Coming from a guy who does Jiu Jitsu (but did Tae Kwon Do at a McDojo awhile back, too).
Immediately liked the video on the Jeff Chan fun fact 😂 wth
The knife scoring can be improved a ton still, but it’s just such a hard thing to simulate right now. A few major points you might cover…
What will disable a random stranger with a knife can vary between strangers. The liver kick is a great example, but how many times would the knife attackers have broken noses etc?
How many of these slashes and stabs disabled major tendons and muscles and our fighters wouldn’t have made it 10 more seconds?
Pulling guard really highlights this IMHO. Jordan got a slice across the back of his hamstring that would have stop his guard multiple times.
Knives constantly get stuck in bone or other issues that fuck up weapon retention, the hand swaps and grips the Western Combative folks do would be much harder if this was wet.
I think a paradox of the shank tank is that the only way to truly stop a knife attack, with or WITHOUT a blade, is max damage as efficiently as possible. The knife folks have a handicap in their favor every time IMO
I have a Sayoc seminar this weekend, maybe I’ll change my opinion. But I think the shank tank is maybe 70% accurate
Side note as a bjj lover, leave it to the BJJ guy to exploit the rules and stall
Final in my pointless string, they need to get better at pointing or retroactively adjusting when they change rules. The bar fight challenge had a moment I was a bit annoyed by.
1 person was accused of excessive force for some aggro but another didn’t get that docked from them after literally pen murdering.
I get that the pen is a free point, but in this context in particular it felt cheap
@@t0ssyeah, that part of the pen striking vital organs in a bar altercation being seen as a good thing kinda lost me. Only explanation was that the pen was a sponsor of the event (and of this video as well btw)
Jiujiteiros is how we brazilians call the Jiujitsu praticioneers, and is actually right.
Ranton is such a laid-back guy that seeing him lock in like that was a surprise
I wish you would have showed more Ranton's match. He killed it.
"No way. THIS is content"
Wise words
"oh and there's a jiujitsu guy too"
this killed me 😂
apparently the jiujitsu guy is also a muay thai guy
Jeff’s first two rounds could have scored for him. Pen to eye and the left high kick to temple.
Damn. every original actor is salty. Ramsey I get but damn lol.
Not unjustified but that's just funny.
Its crazy how Ju Jitsu has turned a corner and now people are questioning and openly disliking it in these ways. Strange how ideas change and morph over time growth is confusing.
I need you and ranton to collab youre both personifications of the devil and angel on my shoulder. Sorry mike youre not the angel either 😂
Normal dude is a badass I'm not picking any bar fights in Australia. Natans kick though that was special.
I think it was in a community post but Rokas did acknowledge that Jeff’s pen stab to the eye should’ve been a fight stopper
Natan is true warrior. I hope he’ll win. But Craig is cool dude too 😁
Mike, thanks for being part of the OG group. You did great and this one is better because of what you brought as an OG.
Lol I love your reaction of it all!
Analyzing what works in a knife attack you explained well
why are you hating on Jordan so hard? Or is that just layered sarcasm
They will stab you.
The goal is to make them think twice before stabbing you again.
I took a public speaking course in college. Learned 20 seconds, can take forever sometimes.
Natan's back kick to shut his attacker down was bad ass
Great video!
I'm all for the bjj slander 😂
dungeon master got me smiling
the sibling special
Great insights as always fella
To be fair, even a femoral artery slash isn't absolutely worse than any other wound standing, like a chest puncture.
At least a femoral artery bleed is something you can theoretically stem yourself if you carried a tourniquet.
A defense like that would only be better in confined places like a hallway or between two cars.
There was actually a 20ft rule study done with defense experts that had the logic that dropping to the ground is beneficial against a charging knifemen... when you have a gun.
In their scenario, the quick elevation change is to give you time and space to pull and fire as the assailant suddenly have to adjust to having to get past your legs and strike downwards. Not the biggest window of opportunity, but possibly just enough of a delay to successfully pull before getting stabbed.
Whooaaaa put some respect on Jordan’s name he’s insane at jiu jitsu even has some MMA fights he’s no slouch
That Natan back kick was nasty
Interesting to see this. My Krav Maga instructor advocates for falling to the ground and doing exactly this as a last ditch resort. Distance between you and the blade even for a moment can save your life.
Did you review episodes 1 & 2? If you did I didn't see! Would be fun!
1. watch USDC.
2. watch Sensei Seth’s reaction.
3. watch Icy Mike’s reaction.
this is what i call good evening.
I also recommend Ranton's watchalong with Rokas.
"who's attacking who"
Natan is a beast
Pulling guard surviving for longer but femoral artery exists
Yeah and so does the heart
Better then getting stabbed in the chest
Mike was so proud when Ransom or whatever he's named let his hands go
Very.
whats with the BJJ hate? ive been seeing it more and more lately. is it a meme or are there legit criticisms?
probably both. for my part the biggest issue with BJJ is it leaves you open to other people which has already come up in the show. It has specific goals and does them well. whether it's the right tool for self defense is up to debate.
Pulling guard worked in that episode, "Shank Tank" and it also worked when we tried pressure testing it against FMA practitioners 14 years ago. They were also surprised with how pulling guard can save your life in a knife attack.
What if the attacker throws the knife at you
Day 63 of asking for Skateboard Self-Defense!!
It is great show. I've been watching it. And looks really fun.
Icymike, Ive severely missed your wildcard energy from season 1.
Jiu Jitsu people should be called Jujyfruits.
I wouldn't pull guard I'd just pull my 9 that's why I practice pull push squeeze.
Bleeding from the legs...losing mobility...
Jiu-jitsu, jiu, jiu...jiu-jiu-taros? What are they called...? Butt-scooters...HA! Love IT!
Made me laugh and had to pause the video ;3