Everything that gets forgotten about F1's epic Brabham fan car

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  • @WeAreTheRace
    @WeAreTheRace  Рік тому +6

    Brought to you by Aramco: bit.ly/3xCbsb1

  • @gamemeninc.5334
    @gamemeninc.5334 Рік тому +165

    "Progress is a race that..." *double taps*

    • @DaFinkingOrk
      @DaFinkingOrk Рік тому

      Let's be fair though, most UA-cam sponsorships are scams, shitty overpriced products or pay to win gambling games. It makes a change to have a very immoral government's product so it makes a change. At least it's not a scam, if you buy their oil you get oil, not the false promise of maybe getting oil, a certificate that says you own oil but you don't, a slot machine that might give you oil if you spend more than the oil is worth, or a course on how to dig nonexistent oil from your own property. You just know you're buying it from people who like to behead people and fund terrorists.

    • @OwensShadow276
      @OwensShadow276 Рік тому

      Exactly lol 😂

  • @josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838
    @josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838 Рік тому +381

    2:56 because the downforce and cornering speed gain was worth signi- *cut*

    • @arneltn
      @arneltn Рік тому

      he got sucked through the fan i suppose

    • @josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838
      @josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838 Рік тому +4

      @therace33. Nice try, but you're not the same guy 🤣

    • @Ribeirasacra
      @Ribeirasacra Рік тому +11

      @@josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838 There are lot of theses fake telegram related channels. it is about time You tube done something about them.

    • @josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838
      @josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838 Рік тому +4

      @@Ribeirasacra luckily the reason i know its a fake channel its because of youtube weird username system having numbers after your name lmao

    • @The_Curious_Cat
      @The_Curious_Cat Рік тому +3

      But the downforce was really signi.

  • @oliverwilson999
    @oliverwilson999 Рік тому +140

    I really wish that this car had a chance to actually be raced properly, and I would like to see how engineers nowadays would design a fan F1 car.

    • @NoisyGiraffe
      @NoisyGiraffe Рік тому +13

      The Red Bull X2019 from the Gran Turismo games was designed by Adrian Newey and is the closest we'll probably get to a modern F1 fan car.

    • @MScotty90
      @MScotty90 Рік тому +8

      Not an F1 car, but check out Gordon Murray’s new T50 and the McMurty Spierling if you haven’t seen them yet. The McMurty’s Goodwood run in particular is nuts.

    • @oliverwilson999
      @oliverwilson999 Рік тому +3

      @@MScotty90 i have seen both, but I would like to see an open wheeler

    • @deeacosta2734
      @deeacosta2734 Рік тому +2

      @@MScotty90 it’s definitely the closest. As cool as it is it shoots gravel and dust everywhere.

  • @philippruest5577
    @philippruest5577 Рік тому +31

    Ground effect and fan car were both alteady developed and raced by 1970 by Jim Hall's Chaparral, so 8 years before Lotus and Brabham brought them to F1.

    • @Friendly_Cat
      @Friendly_Cat Рік тому

      Yeah, they just copy pasted the idea with the "cooling of radiators" being the excuse.

    • @dangerdean9066
      @dangerdean9066 Рік тому +1

      That was the 2J wasn't it.

    • @Friendly_Cat
      @Friendly_Cat Рік тому

      Haha, damn right

    • @ab-gu2nh
      @ab-gu2nh Рік тому

      @@Friendly_Cat Most likely it have been developed independently.

  • @warwickhewitt8844
    @warwickhewitt8844 Рік тому +7

    Thankyou for this video! I just loves the F1 cars from the 1970's and 1980's. Six wheelers, turbos, fan cars, ground effects carbon Fibre etc they were amazing times for designers and their creativity!

  • @thomasbjork4293
    @thomasbjork4293 Рік тому +12

    Ahh, I was there in Anderstorp. Of course had most attention to my hero Ronnie, who finished 3rd after a superb recovery from a puncture.

  • @jimiverson3085
    @jimiverson3085 Рік тому +7

    The banning of the Chaparral 2J had established the principle that fans were only allowed to the extent they were needed for cooling. The Brabham fan system was moving several multiples of the air required for the radiators, so I don't see how it would have survived the protest that would have come. The team agreeing to withdraw the car just eliminated the need to go through the hearing process.

  • @king-lasagna
    @king-lasagna Рік тому +8

    8:38
    The Gunnar Nilsson Memorial Trophy was ran in 1979!
    So almost 1 year after the 1978 Swedish GP

  • @thomasvleminckx
    @thomasvleminckx Рік тому +20

    Okay, you finally got me. I'd like to buy one ARAMCO, please. Where can I get one?

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Рік тому

      Saudi Arabia I think?🤑

    • @jimutjayadev
      @jimutjayadev Рік тому +1

      All the info in the video and yet you choose to focus on the irrelevant part. Man these pseudo F1 fans are something else these days.

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Рік тому +2

      @@jimutjayadev Get a sense of humour.

    • @joshywoshy18
      @joshywoshy18 Рік тому

      @@jimutjayadev Yea, grow a sense of humor dude. It'll make your life more bearable. Not to mention less insufferable to others.

    • @xlockedbmw
      @xlockedbmw Рік тому +1

      @@jimutjayadev Not to mention that I don't like giving more money to the Saudi royal family

  • @JakePeroni
    @JakePeroni Рік тому +6

    Brabham was a fucking genius and fantastic driver, Aussie legend

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Рік тому +1

      Brabham wasn't actually involved here I don't think?

    • @sloppynyuszi
      @sloppynyuszi Рік тому +7

      @@mikespearwood3914 yeah, this was a Bernie’s joint by this time. Brabham was long gone by this time. He is an under appreciated legend of F1

  • @simonblynch
    @simonblynch Рік тому +13

    Love the bit where the FIA commission becomes Italian. Almost as nice as the bit where Aramco is described as sustainable. Great work. Do I need to unsubscribe in the off season?

  • @RACECAR
    @RACECAR Рік тому +2

    Everyone else: *Either going on about the lack of innovation or still griping about the video sponsorship*
    Me: *Takes in the casual madness of the 70s in this picture with what looks like the Mechanic is doing all his notes in just a jacket and Jeans while the designer is just chilling out with some sandwitches*

    • @jstoli996c4s
      @jstoli996c4s Рік тому

      Complaining is easy and free, that’s why most people do that instead of actually observing and thinking.

  • @chippiethegreat681
    @chippiethegreat681 Рік тому +8

    Sound issues at 2:54?

  • @MEben-pv4rx
    @MEben-pv4rx Рік тому +4

    Imagine we could combine in one small, light f1 car: blown diffusor, Fan, flexi wings, double diffusor, ground Effekt, hybrid v4 from porsche, drs, active Suspension, Renaults special nose weight from 2006, DAS, collapsing Suspension, 2 brake pedals like mclaren did - that would be peak f1 with development Potential, no problems with dirty air, and nimble cars

    • @BetterThanSparksYT15
      @BetterThanSparksYT15 Рік тому +1

      It definitely won't be ridiculously hard to understand with even the smallest fragment having a ginormous aerodynamic effect😂😂😂

  • @SHRModding
    @SHRModding Рік тому +2

    You can drive this car is AMS2. And the fan as well as its effect on the car is fully simulated

  • @samiraperi467
    @samiraperi467 Рік тому +9

    The original fan boost.

    • @gigadonis8684
      @gigadonis8684 4 місяці тому

      When Formula E first came out I thought that fan boost meant that the cars had fans on them like the BT46B so they could have a temporary boost round the corners.

  • @berserkfuryyy6798
    @berserkfuryyy6798 Рік тому +1

    3:23 look at my guy in the background chilling lol great video

  • @Mtlmshr
    @Mtlmshr Рік тому +3

    One and done! That’s how you do it, that would be a great dam story if it didn’t cost so much money to go and win in your first and only start in F1! It does go to show how insightful Bernie Echolstone was about his direction in the sport and how he wanted complete and utter control eventually!

  • @philiptownsend4026
    @philiptownsend4026 Рік тому

    Thank you for that. I've always been fascinated by this car and was very happy to learn more about it.
    At that time I was racing an 850 Mini in a one make off-road/rallycross formula called Minicross.
    It was a very competitive formula and the technical regulations were not well written leaving plenty of loopholes which I thoroughly exploited and had a very fast car driven by a mediocre driver (me).
    Other entrants/drivers were always nosing around my car trying to see what I was doing that they were not. The technical scrutineers were extra interested too because some accused them of not doing their job properly with regard to my car. I could never leave my car unattended for fear of nosey parkers.
    To distract people I often added subtle little false "developments" to it like a dummy extra cylinder head stud and nut glued to the cylinder head.
    When the Brabham fan car was a big discussion point I added a round toffee tin to the boot lid with a rotating but undriven fan inside it. This caused some consternation among those who were taken in by my joke when I presented my car to the scrutineers and they spent most of their allotted time discussing my fan and shroud (nothing in the rules says I can't have a supplemental rear fan) rather than actually examining my car.
    I removed the additions from my boot lid before practice.o
    I was on the committee involved in drafting the technical regulations and could already see some loopholes in wording even at that stage as I sat at the table but I kept quiet at the time and exploited them later...
    Happy days

  • @doctoronishispsychosislab1474
    @doctoronishispsychosislab1474 Рік тому +1

    I have decided this channel is better than the Main F1 channel

  • @milindpatel8088
    @milindpatel8088 Рік тому +6

    What was that sponsor bit in between! Hilarious

  • @sambull4633
    @sambull4633 Рік тому +1

    Excellent insightful video. Would love to see similar videos this off season

  • @deanfarrimond7543
    @deanfarrimond7543 Рік тому +3

    That aramco advert gives me a headache every time I hear it.

  • @mikii2001
    @mikii2001 Рік тому +13

    The fact that Murray used fan when creating GMA T.50 forty years later shows how much potential it has.

    • @tyler_bt3326
      @tyler_bt3326 Рік тому +1

      He used a fan for downforce in the McLaren F1 as well

    • @bfapple
      @bfapple Рік тому

      @@tyler_bt3326 I wasn't aware of this...

    • @tyler_bt3326
      @tyler_bt3326 Рік тому

      @@bfapple yeah, it’s not as drastic as in the T.50. But it’s there, he talks about it in a video comparing the work he did on the F1 and the work he’s done on the T.50. It’s very interesting, I think it was a top gear episode, worth looking up

    • @tyler_bt3326
      @tyler_bt3326 Рік тому

      @@AzathothsAlarmClock yeah, I couldn’t remember the exact reasoning but I just remember Gordon saying he built fans into the design of the F1 for aerodynamic gains. Thanks for the extra info :)

  • @413TomaccoRoad
    @413TomaccoRoad Рік тому +1

    It's videos like this that make The Race, in some ways, better than the F1 channel..

  • @aimanfitri0iv
    @aimanfitri0iv Рік тому +2

    i remember this one it's simply stunning but a very controversial technical regulations

  • @AntiVaganza
    @AntiVaganza Рік тому

    @Race, you didn't fully get the 2nd fan car operation explained correctly. It was NOT the change of fan speed that would make it better. It had 'variable pitch' blades which could be 'feathered' - what this means is that the angle of the blades could be changed while they were spinning. So, they could be set to produce maximum suction for corners or minimal drag in the 'feathered' position with very little to no suction whilst on the straight - despite still spining very fast.
    Same thing really with wind turbines who get set to feather when the winds are too high so they don't end up spinning out of control.

  • @mrterp04
    @mrterp04 Рік тому +3

    2:57 narration cuts out for a few seconds

  • @SaintKimbo
    @SaintKimbo Рік тому +2

    The fan is one thing, but I always thought that this was one of the best looking F1 cars ever made, not from the rear though.

  • @KruzAlonso
    @KruzAlonso Рік тому +13

    Shame it’s forgotten it’s a great car and nice design.

  • @GARBO96
    @GARBO96 Рік тому +2

    The part where you said it would be a variable speed fan clearly says variable pitch pitch means blade angle not blade speed

  • @andreipop1
    @andreipop1 Рік тому +3

    At 2:58 there is audio issue. Might wanna look into it. :)

  • @freshdotholla
    @freshdotholla Рік тому +1

    This was the glory days of Formula 1 bring these ideas back, let the engineers loose.

  • @hhhernandez15
    @hhhernandez15 Рік тому

    Thanks Edd! Very insightful

  • @lup1up
    @lup1up 4 місяці тому

    Should also thank and credit Grayson Vaughn who uploaded the YT video "1978 Brabham BT46 Fan Car - BBC Film" where you pulled some of your clips and information.

  • @andrewsmith2399
    @andrewsmith2399 Рік тому

    I loved the story thank you👌

  • @Hashiriya985
    @Hashiriya985 6 місяців тому

    ''when reving the car too high the fan would suck the car into the ground'' thats like a plane reving its engine to high that its starts floating. can you imagine if modern cars could have that tech...

  • @aydankhaliq2967
    @aydankhaliq2967 Рік тому +2

    Since this car got a 100% win record, you guys should do a video on the other 100% winning racing car. The Ferrari 312pb. Won every race it entered in 1972.

    • @TherealLorinser
      @TherealLorinser Рік тому

      Yep, but with a exception of Le Mans 24 Hours, Ferrari didn't trust their 312PB to last for 24 Hours.

    • @MrSniperfox29
      @MrSniperfox29 Рік тому

      @@TherealLorinser They didn't race at LeMans, so it still had a 100% record of winning when it entered.

  • @deegan463
    @deegan463 Рік тому +1

    The Gunnar Nilsson Memorial was held in 1979, not '78. Come on guys, check your facts and dates...you're telling me they held a memorial for Gunnar when he hadn't died yet?
    8:56
    #1 How is Alan Jones driving the FW07 in June of '78 when that car didn't debut until the end of April, 1979, at Jarama/Rnd5?
    #2 What is James Hunt doing driving a Wolf in 1978? He was still with McLaren.
    #3 Why is Nelson driving a Brabham in June of '78? He didn't sign to Brabham until the final round, first week of October '78.

  • @UxJoy
    @UxJoy Рік тому

    Haha the McMurty is using some of these principles to create 2 tons of DF. Pretty insane car.

  • @bfapple
    @bfapple Рік тому +20

    Everything that gets forgotten about Aramco's human rights violations...

  • @markhill9275
    @markhill9275 Рік тому +1

    Sir Jack Brabham, 2 world titles in a car he designed himself. Never done before, never will be! Aussie engenuity, nothing less!

  • @Gunar-ux5zy
    @Gunar-ux5zy Рік тому

    More of those Videos pls

  • @MrReese
    @MrReese Рік тому +5

    2:56 say what? 😂 And PLEASE, get rid of this Aramco BS.

  • @johncnorris
    @johncnorris Рік тому +2

    Not really a fan of the Fan Car but it's nice to see teams trying new ideas.

  • @johnyossarian1135
    @johnyossarian1135 8 місяців тому

    Why's Edd the one talking about the fan car? I thought he only covered pre qualifiers

  • @haydenw8691
    @haydenw8691 Рік тому +3

    Sponsorblock. Skipping Aramco sponsorspots since ages ago.

  • @urmokasela5649
    @urmokasela5649 3 місяці тому

    Good example how thirst for personal power hinders innovation.

  • @herbie3oh3
    @herbie3oh3 Рік тому +2

    2:57 anyone else’s sound just cut off?

  • @AndyHack10
    @AndyHack10 Рік тому +2

    1:26 It was a 180° "flat" V12, not a boxer engine!

    • @SaintKimbo
      @SaintKimbo Рік тому +1

      Same thing.
      'Boxer' is just a nickname coming mainly from the flat twin BMW motorcycle engine, which someone likened the in and out action of the pistons as similar to a Boxers arms.
      It caught on and a lot of 'flat' engines are described as 'Boxers'. e.g Porshe flat 6's, the BB (Berlinetta Boxer) Ferrari etc. etc.

    • @SaintKimbo
      @SaintKimbo Рік тому

      @@AzathothsAlarmClock
      Hey, none of the motors actually get in the ring and indulge in the violent art of pugilism, so I guess everybody's got it wrong !

    • @БранимирПетров
      @БранимирПетров Рік тому

      @@SaintKimbo 1. There is a difference - flat engines have shared crankpins for the oposite pistons, and boxers have separate crankpins.
      2. The 512 was named BB during the desing process, since it was turning as beautifull as Brigitte Bardot. In order to cover in front of Enzo, and not tell him they named it after a woman, they said it was the "Berlinetta Bialbero" (bialbero - twin cam). And the british/american press came with the absurd "Berlinetta Boxer".

    • @SaintKimbo
      @SaintKimbo Рік тому

      @@БранимирПетров
      You're talking nonsense, there is no technical definition of a 'boxer' engine, it's as made up term, a colloquialism.
      A twin overhead cam V8 is different to a Flathead V8, people still call them V8's because they have that configuration, just like people call 'flat' motors 'boxers'.
      You can nerd out about what the differences are in conrod location on the crank, but it's not that big a deal.

    • @БранимирПетров
      @БранимирПетров Рік тому

      @@SaintKimbo Am I talking nonsense? Taken straight from Wikipedia:
      The most common configuration of flat engines is the boxer engine, in which the pistons of each opposed pair of cylinders move inwards and outwards at the same time. Boxer engines are a type of flat engine; however, flat engines are not necessarily boxer engines.

  • @michaelsullivan3581
    @michaelsullivan3581 Рік тому

    Not to mention that it fired stones out the back at following cars at like 500 mph (or more). Not a bit dangerous, that!

  • @MashifyLV
    @MashifyLV Рік тому

    Audio glitch 2:56, cutting off the end of the sentence.

  • @mikejohnson5900
    @mikejohnson5900 Рік тому

    They should have let the Brabham run all season, and the other teams would have caught up the next year. The argument that it was too costly was silly, certainly teams like Ferrari, et al could easily have outspent Brabham. It's interesting that the FIA has been stopping and regulating innovation for decades until now where F1 is nearly a spec-car racing league.

  • @Ikcatcher
    @Ikcatcher Рік тому

    2:57 Christ, does no one check your videos before uploading? How can a sudden cut like this not be noticed during editing?

  • @ScottHoughton-yg5zg
    @ScottHoughton-yg5zg Рік тому

    No mention of Jim Hall's Chaparral 2J 10 years prior???

  • @britishfilmguy
    @britishfilmguy Рік тому +1

    Aramco: powered by other people's money.

  • @onairnomad
    @onairnomad Рік тому

    Gordon Murray 👏

  • @haydenw8691
    @haydenw8691 Рік тому +2

    F1 teams. Always for innovation. Until they get outsmarted and try get it banned instead of rising to the challenge.

  • @corpsecoder_nw6746
    @corpsecoder_nw6746 Рік тому +1

    This car is the extravagant version of the cars that used exhaust blown diffusers like the RB5/6/7/8 and RB9.

  • @jesusfon5619
    @jesusfon5619 Рік тому +1

    They need to stop edging closer and closer to spec racing, the smaller the box the less development possible

  • @tylerensminger
    @tylerensminger Рік тому

    I would have liked to the team run the car for the rest of the season but I get why others had issues with it not just because of how fast it was

  • @grunewaj
    @grunewaj Рік тому +1

    Wow! A fan car! What will they (re) think of next! it only took Murray eight years to copy the idea behind Jim Hall's Chaparral 2J. The lead in graphic said it would have broken F1... That's what they said about Hall's 2J. Funny!

  • @user-hm5nn9pk8n
    @user-hm5nn9pk8n Рік тому +1

    What about the huge amount of dirt it sucked up and spat in the faces of the drivers following , imagine driving behind a fan car on a wet track. On ground of driver safety ( other drivers that is) it surely would have been banned the next race.

  • @iamlato
    @iamlato Рік тому

    formula 1 could bring back fan cars nowadays. they would probably be powered by the hybrid system.

  • @AmineKouki
    @AmineKouki Рік тому +1

    you might as well skip the main content and make every episode just a big fat Aramco ad

  • @tr0w3
    @tr0w3 Рік тому

    2:57 where is your editor?

  • @Rodejong
    @Rodejong Рік тому +5

    DISLIKED DUE TO BLOOD MONEY SPONSOR

  • @slap_k_man1862
    @slap_k_man1862 Рік тому

    Imagine if Williams could have used something like this today

  • @anthonyrausch5708
    @anthonyrausch5708 Рік тому

    2:26 - I figure that; a couple of zeros would disappear; off of the bill if EVERY TEAM on the f1 grid today just used A BIN LID; and they would not even have to
    Buy new ones; and just make A TEAM LOGO STICKER and stick it in the middle of the lid and BOOM money saved…..

  • @whassupg89
    @whassupg89 Рік тому +1

    I can only imagine the racing with a full grid of these would be terrible. Because they’d all have too much grip! Great story though

    • @Rmagid
      @Rmagid Рік тому

      You could try in Automobilista 2 which has the fan car

    • @C.I...
      @C.I... Рік тому +1

      You don't have to imagine. Modern F1 has comparable grip levels, and as you predicted, is shit.

  • @Lonelyplanet3
    @Lonelyplanet3 Рік тому

    F1 is known to ban technical ingenuity

  • @paulnewman3587
    @paulnewman3587 Рік тому +2

    Still never going to subscribe because of Aramco. Keep up the good work otherwise

  • @Elaba_
    @Elaba_ Рік тому

    They weren’t a fan of his work.

  • @joeyc1970
    @joeyc1970 Рік тому +2

    You lads are back shamelessly taking that Saudi money then?

  • @jamesmoore6424
    @jamesmoore6424 Рік тому

    Have you seen there is a production car now that has two fans, one of which is basically redundant and you start the fans first. It's fully electric and the downforce is something around a couple of tonnes (don't quote me) while sitting still. I actually want one. It is a single seater but also road legal. It's produced by McMurtry out of Great Britain.

  • @scoobyben1979
    @scoobyben1979 Рік тому

    did no one check this video before posting it? Sound editing is terrible.

  • @djblc2201
    @djblc2201 Рік тому

    Fix the edit fellas

  • @Nikoxion
    @Nikoxion Рік тому

    2:57 *signi*

  • @abcede3897
    @abcede3897 Рік тому

    4:06 what language is this?

  • @brain8484
    @brain8484 4 місяці тому

    lotus were so whiny back then

  • @donwest5387
    @donwest5387 6 місяців тому

    same as Chaparral 2J

  • @hannocoetzee5882
    @hannocoetzee5882 Рік тому +2

    Aramco is going to loose you more sups than what the sponseship is worth🤢

  • @Joe-wj7ku
    @Joe-wj7ku Рік тому +2

    Getting real sick of hearing about Aramco. Can you get a sponsor with a little less theocracy-dirty-oil-money smell?

  • @mukulsingh2540
    @mukulsingh2540 Рік тому +2

    Say no to Aramco

  • @sepg5084
    @sepg5084 Рік тому +1

    It would have broken F1? Nah, everybody will just implement it, F1 won't be broken. Thumbs down 👎

  • @sh-spectrum409
    @sh-spectrum409 Рік тому +2

    I think we can all agree that this car sucked.

  • @pequignota
    @pequignota Рік тому +1

    You only say "thanks for watching" when the video is sponsored... otherwise, we never hear saying "hi" or "good bye" or "please" subscribe...

  • @mytinplaterailway
    @mytinplaterailway Рік тому

    'powered by how' ? Who writes this rubbish!

  • @Hookert9997
    @Hookert9997 Рік тому

    Signif

  • @mattyowen5402
    @mattyowen5402 Рік тому +1

    You really need to remove the Aramco adverts, they feel forced and not sincere

  • @xlockedbmw
    @xlockedbmw Рік тому +1

    Sponsored by Saudi oil/blood money