Is MVX the New Frontier in Predicting All Cause Mortality? - Dr. William Cromwell -

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  • Опубліковано 21 вер 2024

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  • @realfoodcures
    @realfoodcures 4 місяці тому +14

    At 14:00, He’s talking about lactic acidosis (cachexia), well known in the 1930’s as clinically relevant but dismissed after 1961. I have 40 videos about this in my YT channel.

    • @realfoodcures
      @realfoodcures 4 місяці тому +7

      I don't know if people understand the importance of the MVX lab test. All of medicine should be focused on fixing the cause and mechanism of chronic disease. This information upends most of medicine.

    • @PardieDiem
      @PardieDiem 4 місяці тому +1

      @@realfoodcures All I could find on Google about the MVX score was related to heart failure. Where can I find the study associating all cause morality to the MVX score?

    • @dporrasxtremeLS3
      @dporrasxtremeLS3 18 днів тому +2

      Dr. Schmidt, thanks for this link!

    •  16 днів тому

      yes, Dr Schmidt thanks for sharing this information about MVX lab test. You explained it very nicely in your latest video. Many thanks! Without you I cannot say I understand it all here...but I try and you helped a lot.

  • @kahearne5361
    @kahearne5361 4 місяці тому +4

    Excellence is critical. I remember so vividly when the hospital I worked at in Canada took the word EXCELLENCE out of their mission statement! A slow decline in care ever since and less trust in care overall with endless examples across the board. Clearly this physician should be heard. Another Dr Eric Westman. Intelligent, humble, open to continuous learning and human first. Thank you for this!

  • @kirkwolak6735
    @kirkwolak6735 4 місяці тому +18

    Dave Feldman, NOW I know why you invited this "contrarian", and what you like about him. I am always impressed by your ability to reach out and treat people and their arguments fairly.
    As someone with CIRS, Inflammation, and Metabolic issues that are NOT completely resolved with being carnivore. This lecture SPOKE TO ME. (of course my take away is NOT: I am good because my Hypertension and higher BMI mean I am protected... I saw it in his slide. He said it!)
    Integrity means... Changing your mind when the data/context changes!

  • @sabine8419
    @sabine8419 4 місяці тому +11

    I like that Dr. Cromwell addresses the complexity of these issues.

  • @DrJK-wm9ec
    @DrJK-wm9ec 4 місяці тому +31

    I had my blood work analyzed by Precision Health Reports and it showed on a scale of 1 to 100, 1 being the most metabolically fit and 100 being the most metabolically unfit….I was a 1. However because my APOB was high (90) and I had a positive CAC score (low number), I was at the highest risk for ASCVD.
    I don’t believe lipids are causal in ASCVD. Rather they are potentially part of an immune response to endothelial damage.
    What damages the endothelial lining of arteries leading to the formation of atherosclerotic plaque?
    Many things…
    Smoking
    Pollution
    Smoke from fires
    Glyphosate
    Other pesticides and herbicides sprayed on our food
    High levels of sugar are know to damage the glycocalyx which protects the endothelial lining.
    Seed oils
    Ultra processed food
    Poor sleep
    And more….
    So while Big Pharma has us focused on lipids….heart disease remains the number one cause of death in the US.
    We need to focus on building Teflon arteries! Then we can really bring down the number of heart attacks and strokes.

    • @susanbeever5708
      @susanbeever5708 4 місяці тому

      What is your lipid fraction score?

    • @thomass5169
      @thomass5169 4 місяці тому +8

      Under "And more...", I think we need to add a particular kind of vaccines as well.

    • @DrJK-wm9ec
      @DrJK-wm9ec 4 місяці тому

      @@susanbeever5708LP IR was 20

    • @jp7357
      @jp7357 4 місяці тому +1

      Funny … biology doesn’t care what you believe … neither does ASCVD … whatever your belief system so far .. your non zero CAC score suggests you find new belief systems … ones that may keep you alive.

    • @scottw2317
      @scottw2317 4 місяці тому

      @@jp7357 According to the creator of the CAC (Dr Agaston) score a rate of change around 10% per year has never led to a serious event, the common increase in plaque is about 40% per year so it isn't the increase itself but the rate of increase.

  • @CipovPeter
    @CipovPeter 4 місяці тому +9

    what an awesome example of how biological systems are complex. How hard it is to figure out causality, showing that opposite facts can be true at the same time in different contexts. I will read MVX study, thanks for sharing.

  • @mkrig
    @mkrig 4 місяці тому +9

    Great presentation. Hoping for a Part 2 describing how to lower MVX.

  • @kenadams5504
    @kenadams5504 4 місяці тому +13

    24:07 Dr Cromwell shouldn't feel the way he described about his former patient (Sue) . If the probability of Cardiac Arrest from a small plaque blockage was minimal ,then he had no way of expecting what happened .It shows the calibre of him as a person of immense Sincerity , that he felt as if he had let her down, despite not being at fault .In 2,021 my own Mother got very ill and tests were done to diagnose her .Eventually ,she was found to have advanced lymphoma cancer that didn't show up on tests until it was too late to treat . She passed away from a high dose of chemo that was a last ditch attempt to save her .I sensed her Doctor , just like Bill, felt that he let us down ....He didn't because he had done everything that he was expected to do , and no-one could have done any more . I felt sorry for her medical team , then ,and so I understand how sometimes these heroes feel responsible when its not their fault .

  • @aloisposch669
    @aloisposch669 Місяць тому +2

    Dr Chromwell says "There are much better biomarkers capable of predicting mortality than LDL." This is fantastic news. So there are indeed biomarkers that are worth intervening on. Why don't we jump on these biomarkers? Why don't we investigate how certain interventions (ketogenic diet) affect these MVX biomarkers? Any lifestyle intervention that is able to positively influence these MVX biomarkers will prolong our lives. These MVX biomarkers measure metabolic health. Inflammatory markers and HDL cholesterol are part of this. I know of an intervention that is able to inhibit inflammation and increase the number of HDL cholesterol particles. It is the carnivorous diet. With it I was able to bring my chronic rheumatic disease into remission. At the same time my HDL level doubled. I would be very interested to know how the carnivorous diet or the ketogenic diet affects the MVX markers. Why don't we study this?

  • @robyn3349
    @robyn3349 4 місяці тому +6

    Thank you, Dr. Cromwell!

  • @lucillkryger8268
    @lucillkryger8268 4 місяці тому +4

    Brilliant love “ there is a person at the end of the day “ 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏♥️♥️♥️🙏🙏🥰🇨🇦

  • @veryaware
    @veryaware 4 місяці тому +4

    Very interesting talk, a mature look at available information.

  • @jobrown8146
    @jobrown8146 4 місяці тому +3

    Wonderful presentation and I loved what you said at the end. Thank you very much.

  • @sjaron23
    @sjaron23 4 місяці тому +2

    Very impressive scientist and human being.

  • @genegroover3721
    @genegroover3721 Місяць тому

    Awesome job. Enjoyed it. I need to learn more. You are a true physician. Wish you were mine. Blessings to you!

  • @DrJK-wm9ec
    @DrJK-wm9ec 4 місяці тому +3

    Dr Cromwell is an American 🇺🇸 hero! The story of Sue is so powerful.
    I highly recommend you get your Precision Health Report! MVX.

    • @mattbmartin
      @mattbmartin 4 місяці тому

      The story of Sue had a lot of people in the room choking back tears.

  • @robbyvillabona
    @robbyvillabona 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for this! Been looking for one since your and his appearances on The Proof.

  • @peterfaber7124
    @peterfaber7124 4 місяці тому +3

    This is such a great talk. He sees the world like I do.
    But I'm wondering about adjusting data for confounders.... The ApoB vs ACM graphs he showed in the end.
    It shows a pretty much linear relationship between ApoB and ACM,... But I'm wondering,... It's a completely theoretical relationship. In the real world there are almost no people who fit in that adjusted for confounders group. How many people who are completely healthy have sky high ApoB in isolation?
    Wait,.. they do exist,.. (don't they, Dave? 🙂). These are the LMHRs. And what do we see in these people? They hardly have atherosclerosis and they are metabolically very healthy. So the theoretical relationship between ApoB and ACM doesn't apply to them. (as far as I can tell now, it doesn't)
    That's where I am now,... I still haven't figured it all out. But the issue I see is that treating people's ApoB based on that theoretical relationship between ApoB and ACM,... may not be as effective as you would hope for. And complimenting people with untreated low ApoB,... may also be a dumb thing to do. Low ApoB seems to be a marker for, as far as I can tell,.. T2D + obesity + mitochondrial dysfunction will drop your ApoB levels like a stone.

    • @descai10
      @descai10 4 місяці тому

      "And what do we see in these people? They hardly have atherosclerosis and they are metabolically very healthy. "
      As far as I know we have no large studies on this phenotype yet.

    • @descai10
      @descai10 4 місяці тому

      "And complimenting people with untreated low ApoB,... may also be a dumb thing to do."
      There are many populations we have done studies on that have low ApoB levels but have long lifespans. Vegans and vegetarians, when eating carefully to not become malnourished, have average ApoB levels under 70 and are one of the longest living groups measured. Look into studies on seventh day adventists.

    • @peterfaber7124
      @peterfaber7124 4 місяці тому

      @@descai10 I'm talking about obese T2D people with hypertension who have under 70 ApoB levels.

    • @peterfaber7124
      @peterfaber7124 4 місяці тому +1

      @@descai10 From the LMHR study we do know that after almost 5 years of astronomically high ApoB levels, they do not have more plaque than people of similar health and age, and indeed similar lipid values (except for the ApoB of course).
      So that's not what happens in the standard views of atherosclerosis.

    • @descai10
      @descai10 4 місяці тому

      ​@@peterfaber7124 Type 2 diabetes, hypertension, and obesity are all correlated with higher ApoB, not lower.

  • @getalonghome
    @getalonghome 4 місяці тому +1

    Well, I didn't expect to cry by the end of it.

  • @scottw2317
    @scottw2317 4 місяці тому +3

    None of this indicates 'causal' in the classic sense, especially given this is based off population surveys then a game of pick the factors to fit. It might be an interesting thought experiment but putting 'risk' to this is a bit much. Incidence, association etc is the best it can do.

    • @jacobgise2479
      @jacobgise2479 4 місяці тому +1

      Wow. That is quite stunning how came to that conclusion after this presentation.

    • @scottw2317
      @scottw2317 4 місяці тому

      @@jacobgise2479 'causal' and 'causal language' is something in a clinical sense you should avoid in demonstrating association. If we were to look at epidemiology and population studies (the later was the case), they can not demonstrate causality unless the association is so strong as to demonstrate a essential proof is replicated in a RCT. Prof John Ionidis indicated that even at 200% association with something an RCT will at best prove the association as true just 20% of the time. What this shows is that to make a causal claim on those types of numbers are generally false and would in fact be misleading.
      So what numbers are epidemiologists happy to start looking at using causal language? this is generally starting at about +500% above the baseline. This is just how unreliable using population data is, regardless if you want to mendelian bias the results in whatever favour etc or not, shrink the error bars despite the increase in inputs with their own errors etc.
      This is not to be confused with necessary or sufficient causal which confuses the topic further but rather the idea to use Incidence and Association instead of cause.

  • @WarrenRedlich
    @WarrenRedlich 2 місяці тому

    So how does a regular individual get the tests needed to calculate MVX?

  • @kathym6603
    @kathym6603 3 місяці тому

    Dr. Cromwell, Have you gotten back to Dr. Darren Schmidt yet? After all he knows your methods and is raising awareness about them and possibly even contributing to them. See his youtube channel and his June 7th video. Title of the video is = The Most Important Lab Test For Measuring Health! | Not Yet Available?

  • @jimstone6570
    @jimstone6570 4 місяці тому +1

    When will the latest scans of the LMHR cohort be revealed??

  • @jamesgordon8867
    @jamesgordon8867 4 місяці тому +1

    When more are like this, maybe outcomes will improve

  • @qilinwang5889
    @qilinwang5889 Місяць тому

    Is it possible to have a link to the slides?

  • @diablominero
    @diablominero 4 місяці тому

    I'd be interested in seeing research on whether anabolic steroids can affect MVX. Tissue selective anabolic steroids (such as oxandrolone) have historically been used to preserve muscle in various disease states that cause cachexia (AIDS, severe burns, etc), and I'd love to know how that relates to this research.

  • @BessieMamie-q5z
    @BessieMamie-q5z 17 днів тому

    Gustave Plain

  • @PardieDiem
    @PardieDiem 4 місяці тому

    All I could find on Google about the MVX score was related to heart failure. Where can I find the study associating all cause morality to the MVX score?

  • @MK-ft3qt
    @MK-ft3qt День тому

    Smoking has a very small effect on CVD. You're not implying that smoking is a single cause of CVD....right? CVD is a result of a synergistic effect of what people put into their bodies. People don't consider that fact. If you say that so and so died of a heart attack and was a smoker, people will correlate that so and so died because of smoking and completely ignore that so and so also was an alcoholic or ate the Standard American Diet.

  • @ptbwinland146
    @ptbwinland146 4 місяці тому

    So if you add in other variables with LDL, like hair color you could get a different result ?

    • @realfoodcures
      @realfoodcures 4 місяці тому +1

      yes. but hair color is a bad example.

  • @richardbray8004
    @richardbray8004 4 місяці тому +11

    He said LDL is causal, where's the proof.

    • @jillengland3277
      @jillengland3277 4 місяці тому

      Everybody knows LDL causes ACVD. That is an axiom. We don’t dare question it since it is the basis of modern medicine since the 1960s. 😈
      Fat clogs arteries just like it clogs drains.

    • @susanbeever5708
      @susanbeever5708 4 місяці тому +4

      Exactly.

    • @chris-nj3vg
      @chris-nj3vg 4 місяці тому +2

      Genetic studies

    • @SydneyCollin
      @SydneyCollin 4 місяці тому

      At the end of the day, he's a pharma shill gatekeeping the lipid hypothesis. See pro publica's dollars for docs. Dr. Cromwell has garnered hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees from pharmaceutical companies.

    • @CashMoneyMoore
      @CashMoneyMoore 4 місяці тому +2

      So many domains of evidence

  • @freecat1278
    @freecat1278 4 місяці тому +1

    If you were caught in the rain, you were exposed to glyphosate.

  • @johannakunze3300
    @johannakunze3300 3 місяці тому

    Narc.