I love how Joe always shows in suttle ways he genuinely likes Salvatore, even when he is angry with him. When Lucky said "next time you dont come back? Im ok with that". Joe smiles like hes thinking "this is why i miss this kid".
“With them, it’s strictly business. Us, our blood runs hot. Because our hearts are big.” This line sounded beautiful in Italian. You gotta give Joe credit, he’s passionate about where he comes from.
This is an incredible scene - what wonderful writing. First of all, prior to this meeting Lansky told Luciano to not sit with his back to the window (because he might get shot), but when he enters he sees that they've already placed his chair next to the window. Luciano is clearly unsettled by this. Even more so when a car passes by and both Masseria and his henchman look through the window, as if to signal someone - then Luciano freaks out for a moment. Add these details to the amazing dialogue and acting by Ivo Nandi and Vincent Piazza, and you've got one hell of a scene!
Masseria knows this as well. he placed Luciano's chair next to the window on purpose to scare him. its a very efficient negotiation technique and also reminds Luciano who is "the Boss".
@@Derek.Joseph My friend m talking about Sicilian mafia..not sure how u fixed urself ,ur father,ur forefathers ,arrogance,generational wealth within that context..
The dude that plays "Joe the Boss" is pretty dope. An amazing performance everytime he's in the scene. That actually goes for a lot of these actors on this show. The casting director did his job well.
Every scene with Joe, I notice how everyone else is pretty much on complete edge and in survival mode while he's just jovially recanting stories and smiling, moving around like he doesn't have a care in the world. Really drives home the power he had.
The guy playing Joe nails it. This was one of the scenes where i also first started to respect Vincent Piazza as Luciano. Ivo Nandi kills this scene but both were great.
I love it when shows and movies make an effort to cast actors that are actually from the same place as their characters.Nandi, being a Sicilian by birth gives the role even more credibility. Wagner Moura did a phenomenal job playing Pablo Escobar on Narcos but people in Colombia were not as impressed because he wasn't able to capture the Paisa accent as people from the area of Colombia where Pablo grew up have a distinct way of speaking. Piazza was brilliant on this show as was Nandi.
@@luciano9755 I know he messed up the accent and used some terms they did not use in Medelin but he still was amazing as Pablo. If you haven't seen it yet I highly recommend Gomorra. Italian crime drama that is better than even the Wire which was the best t.v. show ever made.
@@JohnnyDeur absolutely. The interiors, costumes, music and the drinks alone make it the most atmospheric. Some of the shots are cinematic, claustrophobic looking over the shoulder shots, slow pans, dialogue is masterly...I rate scenes like these where sit downs are taking place up there with the scene in The Godfather with the sit down with Solazzo.
The 'do what you need to' line said here practically foreshadowed his death in season 5. He repeated the 'do what you need to' line right before he was shot dead
Masseria is the character you kind of overlook on the first watch through but as you rewatch it you realise how important he is to the fabric of the show.
What a wonderfully crafted scene. Great writing, great acting and photography. It was also the dialogue in Italian that makes it feel so realistic. When Masseria says "We are close" you can feel the danger coming from him.
*Dialogue in SICILIAN (although the lack of definite articles used in this scene is more grammatically accurate to Italian), not Italian. They are different languages, and the odds that either the real Joe Masseria or Luciano knew how to speak/understand standard Italian are basically zero. It may seem like semantics but it's an important distinction
These three are all Sicilian. The real Joe Masseria refused to work with anyone except Sicilians, and was even hesitant to work with people outside of his own village. And would be his downfall.
@@samuelcapritta1086that’s why the old school guys were called Mustache Petes- they refused to work with non-Italians and even non-Sicilians, like you said. Lucky and the new generation thought that was only limiting their opportunities. They also wanted a “Boss of all Bosses” which Lucky was against when he created The Commission. Lucky actually could’ve made himself the Boss of all Bosses but he knew that it would only make a target for a rival later on
@@mineralbalancingitalia2206yea Rome, Naples, Calabria etc. A lot of the Mafia guys were from Sicily but there were lots of guys that came from other parts of Italy too. They were all Italian at the end of the day but these different places within Italy had their own ways and customs
Although Masseria was a cold, calculating boss you could tell he had a fondness for Lucky. I don't think anyone else would have gotten away with the stuff lucky pulled and lived to tell the tale.
I really like that fact that they speak Italian/Sicilian in this scene, but I would've liked to have seen more of that on the show, speaking other languages, as it would've been both awesome *and* realistic. Of course, there are at least a couple of examples where the show touches the subject, like when Lansky beats up a guy and says something in Yiddish, and when Sigrid Mueller sings a lullaby to her baby in Norwegian (which I as a Swede recognize).
At 2:18 at the sound of automobile pulling up, both Lucky and Masseria thought it was a drive by and half ducked for safety. The subtle depiction of this subconscious consciousness in this setting of sit down which would have been attended with distrust by both men only highlights the great attention paid to details in this series. Great job.
Finally someone that plays an Italian mobster who is able to speak Italian (Sicilian dialect). My ears were bleeding when I heard De Niro speaking in Italian in “The Irishman”.
god I love this show, It kills me that HBO rushed to end it. If people would watch these kind of shows instead of keeping up with the kardashians, we could enjoy good shows longer
Was it rushed? I never really got that impression. Just like “the wire”, I always feared it could have gone too long. But when you look at it, the last seasons seemed a little less solid than the rest.
That is why he is the "boss", plus, I don't know why a lot of idiots would call Luciano and Meyer "genius" gangster since they did only "usurp" a shadow empire that was made powerful by Masseria and Salvatore Maranzano. These two men, were the ones that literally started from scratch, while Luciano and Lansky became right hand men to Rothstein and Msseria. Luciano's power did not even last that long, less than a decade of power, he lose it to the legal system and the other mafia families. And both these men between the 1940's and 1970's were just like "fugitives".
+nodinitiative Salvatore Lucania (Lucky Luciano) was the mastermind of the commission...welll him and Lansky. He had a vision of running this illegal operation like a business....no one thought it that way before. He was revolutionary....
Agreed, Lucky, AR, Meyer, Capone, Masseria, all hit it out of the park in this series. HBO really, really messed up by not either A. Giving these characters more screen time B. Making a Spin off show with them. It's really, really a shame because there was so much more potential there. Could have been one of the biggest TV shows ever.
@@chitweak18 Luciano says they're far apart meaning they think differently, Joe says they're very close meaning physically close. It's a threat from Joe that he can kill Luciano at any point.
This scene reminds me of a young Vito Corleone in Godfather 2 when he's speaking with Don Fanucci. Masseria was the boss who underestimated Lucky Luciano much like Fanucci underestimated the young Vito, both Fanucci and Masseria were taken out by these young ambitious men they underestimated
Gangsters are the ones who stab each other in the back. Masseria and Rothstein both screwed Lucky over. The fact that Meyer didn't doesn't seem to have anything to do with religion.
Improper translation alert: at the end, Masseria says "occenta perccente gonna seem very cheap" . As the scene's purpose was to illustrate Joe's rigidity, instead of translating as "30%", he actually said "80%". While I believe this was just a flub on Nandi's part, 80%, the literal translation, would've made him seem more unreasonable.
Joe was a classy gangster that went with the rules. You never call a sit down and whack the other party, your guarantee is your word. Same can’t be said about short pants , that’s why he was looking in the mirror.
You can tell the dialogue was written in English and then translated into Italian. It follows many of the usual tropes in the way certain phrases are delivered that would sound very out of place or even foreign to native ears.
The dude who played masseria was outstanding. The scenes with him were always a treat.
'So u know what time it is'
Ivo Nandi was awesome, though Masseria was massive. He would have blocked out the window if he was sitting there
A real Sicilian
@@allendiaz04 everyone dies, not everyone keeps their promise
Name a character in Boardwalk Empire who did NOT do an outstanding job.
I love how Joe always shows in suttle ways he genuinely likes Salvatore, even when he is angry with him. When Lucky said "next time you dont come back? Im ok with that". Joe smiles like hes thinking "this is why i miss this kid".
Damn, they got a legit Sicilian to play Joe Masseria; that accent is unmistakable
As a non-Sicilian that grew up with Sicilians I couldn't agree more.
my grandfather was off the boat from Sicily, i couldn't agree more
I have no connection to Sicily whatsoever, I couldn't agree more
Whats the accent exactly?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I notice an emphasis in words that end in "oooh," sort of like a puckering lip? (ex: doppu)
Ivo Nandi - he's from Menfi apparently
The guy playing Masseria is fucking brilliant.
His name Nandi something
Lucky as well.
Whats even more crazy is that he plays a mexican biker in Sons of Anarchy...talk about acting range lol
He didn't have small hands
Fuckin epic
“With them, it’s strictly business. Us, our blood runs hot. Because our hearts are big.” This line sounded beautiful in Italian. You gotta give Joe credit, he’s passionate about where he comes from.
I agree, but Lucky and Meyer knew they were in the New World where that old stuff don't run. Masseria should have learned, or went back to Sicily
Sicilian*
This is an incredible scene - what wonderful writing. First of all, prior to this meeting Lansky told Luciano to not sit with his back to the window (because he might get shot), but when he enters he sees that they've already placed his chair next to the window. Luciano is clearly unsettled by this. Even more so when a car passes by and both Masseria and his henchman look through the window, as if to signal someone - then Luciano freaks out for a moment.
Add these details to the amazing dialogue and acting by Ivo Nandi and Vincent Piazza, and you've got one hell of a scene!
+Ari Storm this was a really awesome break down on what makes this scene so great
Masseria knows this as well. he placed Luciano's chair next to the window on purpose to scare him. its a very efficient negotiation technique and also reminds Luciano who is "the Boss".
Nobody would shoot into the window because they'd be shooting directly at the boss.
@Roger B - Vincent Piazzi was in The Sopranos?
Thank you, you should give us the back story on all of them, well explained mate
My father was a Sicilian immigrant and you can tell Masseria is from Sicily, as well. The accent is unmistakable.
Nope.
@@mineralbalancingitalia2206 Care to enlighten us, then?
all beggars living on scraping others ....
@@Derek.Joseph My friend m talking about Sicilian mafia..not sure how u fixed urself ,ur father,ur forefathers ,arrogance,generational wealth within that context..
The dude that plays "Joe the Boss" is pretty dope. An amazing performance everytime he's in the scene. That actually goes for a lot of these actors on this show. The casting director did his job well.
Every scene with Joe, I notice how everyone else is pretty much on complete edge and in survival mode while he's just jovially recanting stories and smiling, moving around like he doesn't have a care in the world. Really drives home the power he had.
The guy playing Joe nails it. This was one of the scenes where i also first started to respect Vincent Piazza as Luciano. Ivo Nandi kills this scene but both were great.
I love it when shows and movies make an effort to cast actors that are actually from the same place as their characters.Nandi, being a Sicilian by birth gives the role even more credibility. Wagner Moura did a phenomenal job playing Pablo Escobar on Narcos but people in Colombia were not as impressed because he wasn't able to capture the Paisa accent as people from the area of Colombia where Pablo grew up have a distinct way of speaking. Piazza was brilliant on this show as was Nandi.
@@cated4783 Wagner Moura wasn't even able to speak Spanish properly.
@@luciano9755 I know he messed up the accent and used some terms they did not use in Medelin but he still was amazing as Pablo. If you haven't seen it yet I highly recommend Gomorra. Italian crime drama that is better than even the Wire which was the best t.v. show ever made.
You know a series is good when you can watch a single scene a thousand times without having seen the actual show.
Yes, but you should watch the show...its perhaps the best gangster show of all times
@@JohnnyDeur absolutely. The interiors, costumes, music and the drinks alone make it the most atmospheric. Some of the shots are cinematic, claustrophobic looking over the shoulder shots, slow pans, dialogue is masterly...I rate scenes like these where sit downs are taking place up there with the scene in The Godfather with the sit down with Solazzo.
they should make a spinoff of Luciano with the same actor
Would be awesome
Vincent is the only actor to nail Lucianos accent based off his own autobiography " The last testament of lucky luciano.
I love watching gangsters discuss business in Italian.
Italian is a beautiful language, the sad thing is, there aren't many Italian-Americans left that speak Italian.
Ashley Chase it’s Sicilian
jeff Sicilian is it’s own language my mother is of Sicilian heritage it’s completely different from standard Italian
@@RomeoDiG1022 - Sicilian spoken is different to Italian spoken?
@@freddybeer completely different
The 'do what you need to' line said here practically foreshadowed his death in season 5. He repeated the 'do what you need to' line right before he was shot dead
Masseria is the character you kind of overlook on the first watch through but as you rewatch it you realise how important he is to the fabric of the show.
That part when joe says “we are close, 2 steps apart”, amazing
+Y Knot: I just heard that Phil did 20 years in the can, though it hasn’t been confirmed yet...
This is the same John's cafe where tony soprano beat up coco.
Amazing.
Arvin Gayona Classic shit
If you look close enough you can see that Joe and Lucky are seated on shineboxes 😂
Scary Hobo It's called Compromise kid
Scary Hobo not a peep too, right? 😁
Amazing scene! God I miss this show
Never watched it but I think maybe I will.
I mistakenly thought it was too historical for me to relate but the drama human relationships are timeless.
Shame they had to rush the ending with the fifth season
@@bmabs35 look what they did with thrones HBO has a problem sticking the landing it seems
the guy playing joe the boss is what you call a fucking actor....
Lol, Joe was outsmarted by Luciano in the end. Charles "Lucky" Luciano is a Legend
Luciano was also a snitch
@@VodkaSoda who isn't a snitch Semion El Mayo etc
Masseria is excellent. Has such a deep brooding presence & so well written.
What a wonderfully crafted scene. Great writing, great acting and photography. It was also the dialogue in Italian that makes it feel so realistic. When Masseria says "We are close" you can feel the danger coming from him.
*Dialogue in SICILIAN (although the lack of definite articles used in this scene is more grammatically accurate to Italian), not Italian. They are different languages, and the odds that either the real Joe Masseria or Luciano knew how to speak/understand standard Italian are basically zero. It may seem like semantics but it's an important distinction
They were not negotiating the heroin business. They were negotiating Luciano.
Damn what an actor for masseria
I love Joe 'The Boss' Masseria.
Outstanding performance from all of the three, yet the guy who played Masseria is one of a kind, towering over the other two!
I love the tension between Romans, Neopolitans and Sicilians. Very entertaining.
Romans???
These three are all Sicilian. The real Joe Masseria refused to work with anyone except Sicilians, and was even hesitant to work with people outside of his own village. And would be his downfall.
@@samuelcapritta1086 actually it is not true. it was a myth created about him to justify his murder.
@@samuelcapritta1086that’s why the old school guys were called Mustache Petes- they refused to work with non-Italians and even non-Sicilians, like you said. Lucky and the new generation thought that was only limiting their opportunities. They also wanted a “Boss of all Bosses” which Lucky was against when he created The Commission. Lucky actually could’ve made himself the Boss of all Bosses but he knew that it would only make a target for a rival later on
@@mineralbalancingitalia2206yea Rome, Naples, Calabria etc. A lot of the Mafia guys were from Sicily but there were lots of guys that came from other parts of Italy too. They were all Italian at the end of the day but these different places within Italy had their own ways and customs
This program is absolutely riveting! The acting is top shelf. Great scene.
I think on this show Joe had alot of affection for Luciano he just enjoyed screwing with his head to show him who was boss
@Starta B That was real life though...Lucky was Masseria's #2
Dude was born at the wrong time imagine him in The Godfather best performance in the show imo
the guy that played Sollozzo would have been perfect in this, too bad he was long dead before this show came around
Although Masseria was a cold, calculating boss you could tell he had a fondness for Lucky. I don't think anyone else would have gotten away with the stuff lucky pulled and lived to tell the tale.
Joe Masseria actor nailed every scene he was in
Joe "The Fucking Boss" Masseria...
I really like that fact that they speak Italian/Sicilian in this scene, but I would've liked to have seen more of that on the show, speaking other languages, as it would've been both awesome *and* realistic. Of course, there are at least a couple of examples where the show touches the subject, like when Lansky beats up a guy and says something in Yiddish, and when Sigrid Mueller sings a lullaby to her baby in Norwegian (which I as a Swede recognize).
Wanted this show to continue so bad following Lucky and his formation of the Commission and all the Murder Inc stuff. Would have been cool
100%
“You can’t trust them”
-people openly trying to rob you
At 2:18 at the sound of automobile pulling up, both Lucky and Masseria thought it was a drive by and half ducked for safety. The subtle depiction of this subconscious consciousness in this setting of sit down which would have been attended with distrust by both men only highlights the great attention paid to details in this series. Great job.
They were signaling to him that two guys were outside if things didn’t go right
Maserria's suits alone in this show are enough for a sit down
from 2 percent everywhere, to 30 percent in only the territory. LOL
The masseria actor has a vito corleone vibe. That was a tense scene
The thing with the actor playing Joe Massaeria is his calmness and even friendly demeanor even when he is thinking of killing u
Masseria actor is unbelievable
The dialogue in this scene was so good.
This is one of my favorite scenes of season 1, can't believe I own that Lucky coat now, best purchases ever!
George Luna What? This is not season 1.
Christopher the jacckkeeeettt
It's season 3
Brilliant scene
Ivo Nandi played Masseria more than the late Masseria himself
Finally someone that plays an Italian mobster who is able to speak Italian (Sicilian dialect). My ears were bleeding when I heard De Niro speaking in Italian in “The Irishman”.
god I love this show, It kills me that HBO rushed to end it. If people would watch these kind of shows instead of keeping up with the kardashians, we could enjoy good shows longer
Amir's Homes Hamilton I heard they had to after the boardwalk got destroyed in a hurricane or something
Was it rushed? I never really got that impression. Just like “the wire”, I always feared it could have gone too long. But when you look at it, the last seasons seemed a little less solid than the rest.
@@rdalge look what happened to Thrones lol
@@rdalge it may have been the brilliance of season 4 making season 5 seem meh. It's better to burn out than to fade away (i.e The Simpsons)
Rome, GoT, Boardwalk Empire, ... the list goes on. I was quite sad about Rome, season 1 was phenomenal...
We we have a look around it's just you and me. Absolutely beautiful love ittt. He absolutely nailed his role tremendous actor
Joe Masserati was my favorite character in the series. I’ve watched this scene probably 100 times!
It’s a Italian with Sicilian words sprinkled around , with a Sicilian southern Italian accent
WITH AFRICAN DESENT REMEMBER THAT💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 MOORES.
@@edb4497 moors and no moors it’s right by Africa and Eritheans aren’t from Switzerland
for me this is the best scene of the entire show
unaaaaa headaschtone?
The way he said it was sick
Epitafi
René Moncayo wha
john stier epitaph
He said "Comu NA headasctone?"
"Una" is Italian," "na/nu" is Sicilian
Joe Masseria is a act like a real mob boss
I mean Joe has a point. Selling heroin in his territory.
That is why he is the "boss", plus, I don't know why a lot of idiots would call Luciano and Meyer "genius" gangster since they did only "usurp" a shadow empire that was made powerful by Masseria and Salvatore Maranzano. These two men, were the ones that literally started from scratch, while Luciano and Lansky became right hand men to Rothstein and Msseria.
Luciano's power did not even last that long, less than a decade of power, he lose it to the legal system and the other mafia families. And both these men between the 1940's and 1970's were just like "fugitives".
+nodinitiative Salvatore Lucania (Lucky Luciano) was the mastermind of the commission...welll him and Lansky. He had a vision of running this illegal operation like a business....no one thought it that way before. He was revolutionary....
+V. B. It wasn't his idea, it was Johnny Torrio's and it wasn't that revolutionary, it was just consolidating the way they did things.
Gootothesecond yet Lucky was the one with the drive and charisma to put it together.
Luciano was a sellout who ran with jews and spat on his heritage and the original mafia.
3:56 😅😅😅 homie spoke English in the thickest Italian accept. You feel that P in cheaP!
I love how Joe Masseria forces Lucky to always speak Italian LOL
Vincent Piazza is awesome
"You're the one that got away" lol I love that.
Just realized same restaurant was used in the Sopranos when Tony does a beatdown for someone annoying his daughter
3:00 - "TRENTA!"
Joey Lock i thought Lucky was gonna fall off his seat when he said that but he actually took it pretty well.
But.....ln the territory. You see? Joe had a heart.
Michael Diekmann yes he must of seen that as a compromise.
Fuck man this show had amazing casting. Everyone was PERFECT.
reminds me of trying to get a raise at work "We're far apart, Joe"
Were you actually flayed ? 🧐
This is John's restaurant on 12th and 2nd. I've sat at the table by the window quite a few times.
Hell of an actor this guy joe the boss
"We're far apart Joe."
"We're very close, Salvatore."
Best gangster series in my opinion.
Agreed,
Lucky, AR, Meyer, Capone, Masseria, all hit it out of the park in this series. HBO really, really messed up by not either
A. Giving these characters more screen time
B. Making a Spin off show with them.
It's really, really a shame because there was so much more potential there. Could have been one of the biggest TV shows ever.
That moment when you're portuguese and by some miracle you understand the sicilian...
I really lmao when I realized I didn't need the translation. 😂
Feels like I'm watching the godfather
The restaurant ... "John's".... is that the same place that Tony Soprano beat down Coco..?
In the end it was Joe Masserias kind that betrayed him in the back.
This scene is legendary
Little did he know by leaving Lucky alive he signed his own death warrant
Joe made me wanna learn Italian..
Sicilian
I think a few scenes in sopranos was filmed here too
Reminds me of Godfather 2 when Fanucci wants the young Don Corleone to pay him his tribute.
The difference is that Fanucci was all talk. Masseria is the real deal. Lucky is very nervous for good reason.
Sopranos was great
..this was up there with it.
Messeria scared me just watching him
“We’re very close Salvatore” I love that
What did he mean?
@@chitweak18 Luciano says they're far apart meaning they think differently, Joe says they're very close meaning physically close. It's a threat from Joe that he can kill Luciano at any point.
I never watched this show but I will say the actor playing lucky resembles him more than the actor who played him in Making of the Mob.
As a sidenote, the subtitles do a big disservice to what's actually being said. There're many nuances lost in translation.
That dialogue reminds me young Vito Corleone and don Fanucci discussion.
Luciano the most legendary gangster of all IMO!!!!
Same restaurant where Tony Soprano stomped that guy’s head
Yep
(Other guy looks out window)
Luciano = quickly looks out window
More like a shakedown than a sit down.
Can somebody please write what Lucky exactly said at 2:12 to the other guy?? Of course not the english words. Thank you.
Mr. Doyle
Wooh i love Sicília im from spain i know Ll that beautiful island
This scene reminds me of a young Vito Corleone in Godfather 2 when he's speaking with Don Fanucci. Masseria was the boss who underestimated Lucky Luciano much like Fanucci underestimated the young Vito, both Fanucci and Masseria were taken out by these young ambitious men they underestimated
Gangsters are the ones who stab each other in the back. Masseria and Rothstein both screwed Lucky over. The fact that Meyer didn't doesn't seem to have anything to do with religion.
G G Meyer and Luciano were friends since childhood if that counts for anything.
And look how Masseria and Rothstein ended up. Luciano and Lansky died of natural causes.
Improper translation alert: at the end, Masseria says "occenta perccente gonna seem very cheap" . As the scene's purpose was to illustrate Joe's rigidity, instead of translating as "30%", he actually said "80%". While I believe this was just a flub on Nandi's part, 80%, the literal translation, would've made him seem more unreasonable.
Can you type out the translation "After everything that happened?"
I think what he means is that even 80% would look cheap when luciano was desperate.
Joe was a classy gangster that went with the rules. You never call a sit down and whack the other party, your guarantee is your word. Same can’t be said about short pants , that’s why he was looking in the mirror.
“The other one” aka Bugsy Siegel
the masseria actor is the best of the serie
Fucking brilliant scene, so intense.
This is the same restaurant Tony Soprano beat Coco Congliano in after messing with Meadow....
shame we didn't get more of joe the boss in this series
Agreed
They should a showed HIM more and all the boring female characters less
"They'll stab you in the back"...he wasn't wrong.
Why is that Frankie?
@@grazianolaudisio3644 If I have to explain its futile.
He could have gotten away with 10%. But he had an attitude so Joe the King taught him a lesson.
You can tell the dialogue was written in English and then translated into Italian. It follows many of the usual tropes in the way certain phrases are delivered that would sound very out of place or even foreign to native ears.