DTG Pretreatment Process and How to avoid getting bad result
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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2020
- Today spare my time to go help pretreat a t-shirt (nobody ask for it anyway. LOL); at the same time sharing how to get a good pretreat, how a bad pretreat looks like and how to overcome issues.
MACHINE/MATERIAL I USE
‣ BROTHER GTX-422 DIRECT TO GARMENT PRINTER
‣ BROTHER THE CUBE PRETREATMENT MACHINE
‣ ONETEXTILES 1PRESS 16"X20" MANUAL HEATPRESS MACHINE
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FYI, the 1:1.5 mix ratio is for Brother GTX Dark pretreatment. 😊
So they recommend this ratio of pretreat for dark shirts?
@@jcq5270 nope. We have good result with that ratio.
Do you have any peeling or cracking issues with this? Also, my heat press doesn't allow me to slide shirt over so how long would you recommend I heat press for?
@@nutritionco9371 We don't have issue with cracking/peeling unless didn't follow washing instruction. You can just lay it on the heatpress then if you don't have that option.
Thank you for the detailed video! I am working with an older Brother printer, and had no formal training on it. I can see now that I have never put enough pretreat on it. And I have never paid attention to the fibers lying down in the same direction before. Very helpful!
Great work! thank you for providing useful information. please keep posting more videos in the future about the GTX PRO.
This is awesome. Thank you so much for the wonderful info. Love it🌺🌺💐🌸
Excellent video! Thank you.
Thanks for your informations, I sorted out my problem ...It was to much pretreatment as..Now shirts last for now 20 washes with no deterioration at all...Prints looks as new...What a relief....
Best regards
Thanks for the video, very informative
Amazing video, just subscribed.
More videos my man... lets go! Also show us what brand of shirts and hoodies are the best..
Lack of content and motivation cause other dealers feedback some of my videos are misleading.
Anyway, i use Gildan in my country for its consistency.
thank you so Mach
All 100% genuine merchandise I presume.
Hi my brother can you do a video with printing settings please? for example for hoodies, dark shirts light colour shirts and so on! love the content !
Thanks. Nothing special really. Just default setting. :)
Thanks guys! Nice Video :-)
I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE GOOD IN ENGLISH BROTHER
love your AC Milan Shirt
Thanks bro
Hola muy bueno tu video. Me gustaría mostrarte una foto de la dificultad que tengo con las impresiones. A ver que consejo me podes dar
Sorry i don't understand a single word you saying. xD
Hello, your video is very good. I I would like to show you a photo of the difficulty I have with impressions. Let's see what advice can you give me
@@luketiluketi1898 okay you may add me in facebook
Thanks a lot for your kind reply, i am using the exact same as you do...those are my best settings as well..do you know how many washes your prints last ? Mine are lasting 6 washes and they start peeling a little bit, to wash off a lot after 10 washes..the colors remain great but some parts starts to peel off after 3 to 6 washes..did you try wash test for at least 10 or more wash?
Best regards
Lilian
Depends. Mine washes up to 30 times still holding up. Most ppl didnt complain though but my friend wash 1 time it peels off abit. He uses softener though.
I'm having the same issue as you at 14:03 very noticeable when printing red ink. I am at a lost of what to adjust. Printing on Bella Canvas 52% Cotton 48% Poly. We are very new to the DTG world so any help is much appreciated.
Try to print on t-shirt with more cotton. If you're having fibers issue then try use lint roller, use more pretreatment, use higher heatpress pressure, don't touch/scratch after pretreated, and lastly don't leave too long before you print. Hope that helps.
Important question about a very common issue: how to avoid black boxes on the garment due to pretreatment?
Thanks for your answer, I am testing again, I do 10 second press at 180° to flatten fiber then pretreat around 30g of pretreatment then cure for 35s and cure and cure again around 10s till dry then print and hoover 45s(it helps a lot for vibrancy to stay) and press 90s..So far no square box on shirts..
Do you know how many grams approx of pretreat you use on shirts with your pretreat machine on 30cmx40cm design area(wich sounds to be a standard way to mesure pretreat on the web)?
Thanks again for your time answering questions..I hope business is going well for you...Where I live everything is slowed down nd business down for everybody selling fashion clothes..
Best regards,
Lilian
Different fabric requires different drying time. I cure at 180c 60s on my Gildan Premium Cotton.
IF you want vibrancy then you need a dryer instead of heat press. If you don't have a dryer then you may hover first then only press for lesser time & pressure. I'm not sure how many grams cause i don't weigh them. I just use The Cube pretreatment machine with the speed knob. Hope that helps.
Yes everywhere is slow and this year DTG is growing very well. Keep it up!
What mask and highlight are you using? I find that I have to vary it quite a bit depending on the print. For many color prints, I use highlight 4, mask 1. But if the print has large white areas, I sometimes have to use much higher to get a good opaque white (as much as highlight 9, mask 3). Prints that have some of both are pretty challenging. I have considered breaking them into two separate prints so that I could use different settings, but time consuming to print.
I always use the default settings which is H5M3. Sometimes just up a little bit for hoodie/polo shirt at H6M3. Never go above H7. We tweak our pretreatment.
Hi, thanks for this video ,it is appreciated..
Could you tell me step by step how to cure pretreat properly?
First of all, what is the time and temperature of curing and at what pressure for dark and light color shirts that you use..Then how do you get thick prints like you show on your video..thats what I am looking for...
How many washes your prints last?...I was dealing screen printed shirts and I try today dtg to get as close as screen print but it is very hard to figure it out..
Thanks again for your tips
Good day, can i give my experience regarding to your question. im using the same pre-treatment cube and heatpress for curing the pre-treatment. For Dark Shirts, the temperatur that i use is 180 degrees and 35 seconds then i add 5 seconds to make sure it is completely dry. For white shirt, as for now. im using the same menthod and the quality of the print is good. Im using 210 gsm shirt. To gain the thickness of print using Graphic Lab software try the to make the Highlight 7 and Mask 3.
do you wash the pretreater out with hot or cold water?
did you ever test Firebird pretreatment? A lot of good reviews with it also with printing with Brother printers
Actually we have good result with Brother and other pretreatment so we will stick with it.
I seem to have cristalization problem, i need at least H:8 M:3-4 to make white look good, if I add more water it would be better? You say hovering helps with crystalizations, you mean after pretreat before actual print? For how long would you hover in this case? Or should I do multiple presses like 3x20? Not sure what else could it be
Does the crystalization problem go away after curing? If not then u have to add more water. By adding more water to the pretreatment then u have to spray more or add more ink to get solid white. you can do hovering or multiple presses as long as the PT dries. doesn't have to be 35s or 60s. You can even hang dry.
Very bad haircut but awesome job on the video. Do you also have DTF or will you get one?
Hello.. Thanks for the information you provide
I just bought a Brother printer and have a question about pretreatment. I am using Brother pre-treatment. I printed on a white T-shirt without treatment, but the colors started to fade with the first wash. Do I use the same type of pre-treatment for colored and white T-shirts?
The other question is, is it possible to pre-treat the T-shirts and print them at another time, after a few days? How long can I keep without printing after pre-treatment?
Yes it will fade. How fast depends on the fabric.
You will need light pretreatment. The dark pretreatment solely for printing white inks. Or if u want good washability then print like normal. Apply dark pretreatment and print white ink on white tees.
Yes u can pretreat and keep it for months. I suggest no more than 3 months. Heatpress for at least 5seconds before print. Also use lint roller to clean any dust.
@@amedionteo Thank you very much
I'm happy with your response
I always come back to watch your videos more than once
Can you do a video on how to print on hoodies without lowering the platen very low and losing quality in the print. I am having trouble keeping the quality of the print once I print on a hoodie. How much pretreat should go down on a hoodie.
I see. Not sure what hoodie brand/model you use. We're getting good result with Gildan Hoodie 50/50 blend. Maybe next video i will do that. Thanks.
@@amedionteo For the Gildan Hoodie 50/50, What are your pretreat settings? Heat/time settings? what settings do you recommend for curing through a conveyer (after the DTG print)? and how does is compare to the heat press (after the DTG print)?
I'm using 1:2 mix ratio. it is advisable or i need to use 1:1.5? TY!
When you're more water then have to increase the highlight to look solid. Inks are more expensive so our sweet spot at x1.5 + default H5M3.
amigo , esa impresora da muito problema pra limpar,//?????
eu vi no outro video q e muito complicado , entao estou pensando escoloher entre epson f2100 , e brother pro
Sorry i dont understand you. 😅
It should also be mentioned that ditching the hand sprayer is first and foremost an excellent way to get better results. Invest in a machine!
Are you making good money using the DTG printer? and...Is it too expensive the maintenance?
Not to say make good money but yes making profit. Depending on your volume, i would say you need to print alot with Brother GTX.
and another thing, can i use the same pre-treatment procedure to white shirt?TY!
You can use 1:2 and lesser whites for White Tee but we don't do that cause have to switch pretreatment and we don't usually pretreat white tees.
@@amedionteo Thank you so much sir.
Why you don't use conveyor dryer?
Limited space.
Any tips on pre treatment coming out unevenly? Spraying more towards the middle of the shirt and less on the sides? I’ve just replaced the nozzle and filters but still getting the same results
Possibly air inside or motor not as good
@@amedionteo how can i tell if there’s air inside and what would be the solution? Also is there anyway I can tell if the motors bad aswell?
@@ashrim1846 not sure what pretreatment machine u using. Theres a button to spray and clear the tubes. Use that to check if ur spraying pattern is uneven. First thing is changing nozzle
Do you know what happen if spray too much pretreatment?
Spraying too much pretreatment will have square stain on colored tee and will become yellowish on lighter tee. Also your ink wont sit firmly on the fabric thus having bad washability. You will also get crystalization.
Hi Bro, May I know what kind of colour do we need to pretreatment? And which colour do we need to be more double check before we print
You need dark pretreatment if you're adding white inks. You need to pay attention to red/charcoal cause the PT stain. :)
@@amedionteo much appreciated!
What happens if you don’t apply pretreat to white shirts
You can print CMYK directly on white tee without pretreatment. The downside is the color looks more dull and less sharp depending on the fabric used.
hello, for a3 full printing, how to measure the weight of treatment ? what your suggestion for average pre treatment sprayer, is it gun spray enough or MUST ? i found it hard to make the spray spread nicely without using proper sprayer. if use gun is MUST then i need to request this from my boss :)
Are you using the pressurized sprayer now? Its better to use electric sprayer and its difficult to spray evenly unless with alot of practise.
@@amedionteo im just bought new dtg machine, but no exp using this technology, so i dont know how to use pre treatment well. I saw the spraygun on shoppe around rm2++ , and as far i know this dtg techique printing needed us to do very good pre treatment step, or next im gonna ruin the picture on the garment.
One more thing I saw on youtube there is people use very high temp after spraying pre treatment, is it any reccomendation for 180gsm gildan to be press ? now im use 200celcius for 20send ( 3 times ) .
Is it okay or need to change ??
Thank you AT #ctid
@@kfg970 lol the hashtag. Anyway, what printer you using now and what pretreatment.
Spraygun is cheap but need skill. So you need to trial and error cause there's no telling how much u spray.
@@amedionteo hello brother, sorry for distrubing you, now im using dupont pre treatment with spray gun, but now im use 100% pre treatment w/o any mix with water.
Is it okay ??
@@kfg970 Its best you check with your supplier see if its diluted.
Hi, I always get bad printing result at the time 8.29 on your video...i already put enough pretreatment, normal setting (not eco mode)for printing.. But printing still like "fungus or berkulat"..it happens a lot when my artwork is fully from vector or from adobe illustrator... But when my artwork from photoshop, it result printing is fine...
What tshirt brand you use?
Make sure the tshirt is clean, teflon sheet is clean, then dry pretreatment with some pressure on heatpress, once pretreated try not to touch so much on the area, etc
@@amedionteo ,gildan,oren sometimes happened, but Freeway brand have not bring problem for me until now
@@hamizishah3177 it depends. smoother tshirt will be easier to print but washability not as good.
I have problems, There are 5% from my customers feedback that color came out after washed. So I don't know which step I did it wrong or have to focus on it.
White or colored tee?
@@amedionteo color^^
Some ink stick together after washed. Then I try to spread apart and there are some damage or ink came out from the t-shirt. (Black and Red t-shirt).
@@srirungwangeaktianchai4032 that means your ink undercured.. Or you probably using the same heatpress that do pretreatment and curing.. once u dried the petreat.. wipe the heatpress or use other teflon to cure..
@@amedionteo I used 200c to cure ...
Do you think it's too much? Have you ever tried cure at high temperature and how it looks?
@@srirungwangeaktianchai4032 if your fabric can take it then no issue at all.. not necessary to heat that high cause BROTHER recommends 180c only.
This video is great, but the background loop is annoying and too loud :)
Yeah my team kinda love to turn loud music and speaks loudly. xD