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@@nimblelineit’s funny to watch them sometimes but most of the time they are just mean to chicks on there they do other types of content but I don’t really get anything out of it
Ah NH, you don't disappoint! Very refreshing to hear such a well thought-out response, here. Cathartic, even. I completely agree with your review of Fresh and Fit. I'd not watched his channel before - but what a clown! I find his lack of self-awareness and critical thinking far more egregious than any excess bodyfat. We can only hope more people consume intelligently put-together content like your own. Keep up the excellent work, man 💪
I think they actually know a lot about health because they (the smart ones) have to over compensate to avoid the possible negative sides of what they are using. Most do not drink, try to eat clean, and take supplements and medications to keep everything dialed in.
@@JT-yx7vf While I agree with you in all seriousness would you wanna take health advice from a current alcoholic or heroin user? I mean let's be honest here PED users are most definitely addicts and they cope all of the time for their usage.
Loving yourself, or, better, appreciating yourself and your chances, and wanting to improve, and getting your body in sufficient conditions is definitely a great thing to take into consideration.
I understand reaction content being lazy but I love seeing videos like this from you! It’s always fun to see others philosophy about a controversial subject
Yes ! Unless the reaction include a new and different opinion. Just watching people react with a stoic face to a random video is just boring af. I would love to see ppl like NH or other decent ytoubers bring this format to a more respectable level.
i honestly can't take a video debating about "Health" seriously , while having both sides equally destroys their health and taking years off of their lives .. "PED users preach health to Obese people" is the joke of the century imo ...
Of course they will. The damage they do is on the inside for the most part and we’re talking about a population selected on the basis of mimicking long years of hard work.
The Myron guy at least has a truly great physique though. That one is the more healthy, normal and better one. The fattest ones and the the more jacked and huge ones are the most unhealthy for sure.
Fat gain might come down to calories in vs calories out but self control comes Down to the individual. I have great self control when it comes to diet and exercise and yet I smoke pot multiple times a day and can't stop for more than a few months. We all have different challenges
Yeah. I go to gym consistently (went 6x a week every morning during my last vacation period) and have fairly solid self-control with food, but admittedly have terrible discipline with a certain addiction of mine. It'd be nicer if self-control was more consistent among the different aspects of one's life.
Exactly. You can influence people's ability to control themselves so much that you cannot possibly place all the responsibility on them. Inject a hunger hormone and most people will overeat. Move grocery stores far away and suddenly most people will eat fast food. Don't educate people on nutrition and they will fall for fat loss scams. All these things and more are obviously outside of our control, yet so many people still hold the individual fully accountable, it makes no sense.
Leptin and ghrelin disagree with you. However you 100% have agency over It if you are not medically sick. The problem is a bit more complex than It seems on the surface but yeah, It is still very well within the individual's control if you are not completely out of whack medically
Overwhelming majority of cause of overweight is non-medical lifestyle related reasons. Unless they’re diagnosed with specific conditions like Cushing syndrome and Hashimoto disease they have no excuse.
There's plenty of lazy react content out there, but I feel like you added a lot of extra value to the original video. I liked the overall format, would watch more videos like this
I like the fact you went point by point and interjected at perfect times with INSIGHTFUL comments and not just go “oh wow, that’s crazy lol” I would not mind more vids like this brother!
I grew up as a fat kid, and my parents shamed me for it. However, when I started to lift, they actually shamed me more. Apparently because I can make a program and stick to it I'm now obsessive, and my dad actually got jealous of me because I was stronger than him. If I had followed their advice I would be a 130 pound DYEL as a male and I'm not exaggerating. I think that's the key difference.
Not my parents but did have that with my sister lol. Made fun of me being a fat kid. Made fun of me for going to the gym as a teen. Turned around at told me one day "Aren't you glad I made fun of you for being fat? Otherwise you'd be a lot fatter than you are now".
To break the situation of being skinny who's actually a tough condition to crack, and with (of course in a general and usual setting) no information and care around. Especially if that person is an ectomorph, which sets you back a lot.
@@nitolinilo9034 How did he get butthurt about it? You're strawmanning him. He advocates for shaming unhealthy bodies. He has a healthy body. His body is actually healthier than the steroid users' bodies.
NH, I usually don’t like react content, but this was absolutely transformative and even more thought provoking than the original debate video. I am all for more content like this in the future
I dont think I’ve ever seen a good debate. It’s always organized with idiots who make their side look awful. I hope everyone realizes how amazing a role model nh is. His commitment to a strong mind is so beautiful it makes me moved by passion.
i've found that empathy and simply existing as a person to trains motivates 'normal' people (they are far from normal, but not fit) actually begin to train, and all i do is encourage and show positive affirmation/guidance etc. Far better than shaming.
Emotions can be converted into action. But shaming someone tends to give strong emotions that only really last for a few days and are the opposite of what you need. Thinking that somebody's gonna work out and lose 20kg because you made them feel crappy is like thinking that a motivational YT short is gonna turn someone's life around.
Psychological reactance is a totally unconscious behavior that our freedoms are being infringed upon, and it makes the behaviors and freedoms that are perceived as threatened more appealing. This is why shame doesn't work, it just mostly creates people that will never change for the positive because they can never be happy with themselves enough to believe they're worthy or capable of that change
He's not wrong though. It's calories in calories out. Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of physics. Fat people take in more energy than they burn, so their body stores it as fat.
@@tomjaap2933 That is entirely irrelevent. It doesn't matter how difficult it is mentally. People are responsible for their own actions. Fat people are lazy and full of excuses and excess food. They claim things like, "genetics", as an excuse for their own poor decisions. The only thing separating fit people from fat people is consistent applied effort. Everyone has excuses.
@@Shiranui400 a person with an average metabolism has no idea what it's like to either lose or gain weight. It's not even remotely the same as simply cutting or bulking. And I'm coming from another side of the spectrum - I'm naturally skinny so I can't gain weight as fast as an average person despite eating 4000+ calories a day, like I'm in a crazy surplus and still it takes literally years, I can imagine it's largely the same for a naturally fat person to lose weight, the effort it takes is significantly higher compared to an average sized guy who decided to bulk and later on cut to square one. Note that I'm not saying it's impossible and you should just give up because it's hard and takes time, not at all, quite the opposite but listening to a guy like Myron saying "Oh, I know what it's like, I went on a bulk once" is hysterical.
@@Shiranui400 It's not about thermodynamics in this case though, it's about human psychology. Somebody who walked from Point A to Point B will obviously have a much easier time going back to Point A, compared to somebody whose only ever known Point B.
Processed food is way more wasteful and environmentally damaging than unprocessed food. And obesity costs the healthcare system way more than exercise related injuries.
First of all even if they would consume the same amount of foods, the result would be that you have a healthy population, and also the strain on healthcare is much greater with alot of fat people. So this take is just incorrect.
@@Kashmachine10 Basketball and football players blow out their knees, I don't think we'd call them out for draining our healthcare system. I don't think it's good to vilify people who are not doing well. There's a lot of bias/disdain for fat people already.
He puts on that voice because those videos get more views and he's even stated that reason in one of them. He uses his normal voice in old videos and occasionally in newer ones when he's trying to be more serious.
I’m personally saddened by how lifters talk about fat people. I want the fat people to better themselves, to be happier and healthier. I don’t hate them, I hate their lifestyle and our system that breeds all these issues. Or, to quote the great George Hackenschmidt: “ It may be suggested that there is no reason why a man should go to the trouble and exertion of struggling with heavy weights, since there is no crying necessity for that particular man to acquire any phenomenal degree of strength. To that I would reply by asking why a man should desire to be weak? He was endowed by his Creator with muscles and sinews which would enable him to cope successfully with such physical feats as he might be faced with during his earthly career.” Encourage people to be better, that’s what we’re here for.
He never gave one extreme example infact the fat guys did . I know you get triggered by harshly he states the truth just like the oc pointed out but he is speaking facts . If fat men actualy listen to it and instead of being emotional work on themselves they will lead a better life but like he said some guys will always be losers you can’t change them .
idk if y‘all follow greg, but he actually makes a lot of sense…mostly at least. Many people hate on him because of his content. But then there are even videos in which he says that he likes to earn money and does what he does, people watch it…But in the videos, he usually doesn’t talk nonsense or something like that
Hey man, 58s are incredibly good mics. It's the room that makes it sound like an assembly. There have been studio fires and those were the only things that survived. Absolutely goated mic
My only reservation when it comes to giving full critique to fat people is this- modern processed food is hyper palatable, hyper available, and full of chemicals that fuck with your body negatively. At least in America, you are to a large extent encouraged towards having an unhealthy lifestyle. I empathize with fat people because I was there once and I know how easy it is to fall into those traps.
You can't expect the individual to always go against their environment, it's just not reasonable, also collective decisions are way more efficient that just do it bro
it's everything, hyperpalatable foods, an employer that demands asses in seats for 40-50 hours a week and shames you for taking vacations, non-walkable/bikeable cities, where those things cross you find higher rates of obesity
At some point you have to acknowledge that the world we live in is truth, pure and simple. If these problems exist, there is a cause. To pin it all down to inadequacy is far too simplistic, I agree
Really liked this style of video. Felt way more enjoyable to watch as it felt like I was getting your genuine reaction in real time to each of the points made. Hope you do more of this style in the future.
when I grad from college in like a year and get a job I’m going to pledge some money, so keep the channel alive till then‼️‼️ Channel got me started in lifting like 2 years ago so I gotta give back
the funniest thing about the Fresh and fit guy, is that at some point towards the end, someone says his ways of approaching this subject aren't going to work for everyone, and his response is: "You need to have winners and losers, those people are the losers". So basically it's even worse than the fact that he's just a mirror. When presented with the fact that having a bit more empathy could help more people lose weight, he just says those people shouldn't lose weight, so that they can be the losers to contrast the winners which are the people who can lose weight. He literally admits that he doesn't want to help people. He just wants to help some people, and then he wants to make others feel bad.
I guess that he means those who push back or don't get it right away, or in the situations where you can't help it unless you put a great amount of care and speeches. He gladly leaves it as it is, without much thought or gripe.
To your point about individualistic culture and the west being more obese: It's not really that true. East Asian countries, in particular Japan and Korea are the exception with much lower obesity rates now and historically, although the trend is also toward more and more obesity in those countries. However other countries do not seem to fit that pattern at all. You mentioned Mexico. Mexico has a higher rate of obesity than almost all European countries (with only the UK, Hungary and Czech Republik being higher but they're almost at the same level). Middle Eastern and North African countries have obesity rates just as high or sometimes even higher than western countries and that's despite being significantly poorer. The only countries that are not affected by obesity to the same degree are East Asian countries (Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, Vietnam) and really poor countries (India, much of Africa, Indonesia). It also remain to be seen whether all the East Asians stay at lower obesity rates, China is already ahead of Japan and Korea, despite being poorer and only having developed economically in recent decades. The US stands out as being particularly obese compared to it's peers (the obesity rate is ~10 points higher than in European countries) and the other western English speaking countries (Canada, UK Australia NZ) are also somewhat more obese than the non-English speaking ones, so I do think culture has an impact but it's not as obvious as you make it out to be and most cultures seem to be impacted similarly by obesity. Also another factor to point out for a country like Japan with a culture that puts a lot of emphasis on conformity not just obese people stand out. If you lift you'll also stand out more and I would guess that "swole shaming" is also more prevalent. Like I watched a video recently by an American living in Japan talking about Japanese (gym) culture. The video is called "Why Gyms in Japan SUCK, and What I Recommend You Do" maybe check it out. Basically in Japan there are way fewer people interested in getting big and strong and most people rather want to be somewhat fit, healthy and skinny. So when you say you'd rather have a society with more suffering but more excellence I think the East Asian way is, at least as it relates to lifting and Bodybuilding not doing that. It's rather giving you the choice of either having a society where everyone is skinny or having a society of obese people where some break out of the mold and get jacked. In that sense the individualistic culture seems to be more aligned with what you say you prefer. Of course I'm overgeneralizing but I think it's somewhat accurate.
I love what you said NH in regards to all shaming not being recieved equally, when you said: The same boiling water that softens the potato boils the egg - what a great idiom
i love this. you have great insight, open mindedness, and empathy. i too find myself being someone who values excellency and being hard on myself in order to improve, above comfortability. a lot of your views and ideas put into perspective for me why this does not work for everyone, when you spew what works for you as if it makes you better than everyone else and its the only correct way (like fresh and fit man) it doesn't help anyone but the people who are like you. thank you for your words mr guy
Great video, this is what reaction content should be more like. If you did more reaction videos in this manor while having it be on interesting topics I'd definitely watch more
To the argument about fat people using more resources. Couldn't that argument be made about people in fitness as well? The amount of wasted eggs used to make egg whites, the wasted dairy to make protein supplements. The surpluses in food they consume to bulk, the medical resources they use from abusing PEDs, etc?
7:40 you are completely right, this type of attitude is usually held by people who just maxed out in one area of their life and become elitist about it, but to a lot of people fitness may not be the most important, and they might focus more on things like education. Acting so superior just because you are skinny compared to someone else and lacking empathy for where they are at in life is stupid. Maybe someone is far more intelligent in mathematics than Myron from F&F because they spent more time learning than him, that wouldn't make it okay for them to degrade him for it though, as he is doing to overweight people. btw gaza has a high rate of obesity and is one of the fatest places in the ME, so the point Myron was making is even less coherent
I thought it was good, normally react channels don't have much insight to add, since they react to all kinds of videos, but when someone reacting actually has something to say about the topic it makes it interesting and a good way to see the original video through different lenses
@@amirkunuspekov7121 like you said its not the best you can definatly gain a bit more but its still really good and if your constantly worried about being the most optimal you will go crazy for only a few more kg
Incredibly balanced & sensible commentary, thank you. I never would have had the patience to suffer through this original video, but your reaction made it worthwhile to catch the highlights and still get value from the discussion.
I swear to good when i first watched the fit vs fat video i was like this video is kinda debatabe/philosophical next thing i know you dropped a video about it 😂😂😂
I liked the video and would appreciate more like it. There is a vast difference between the head bobbing reactions you pointed out and a nuanced take like this, which feels more like a conversation taking place. I've seen some of your other philosophy based or adjacent videos and so far this is the one where I found myself agreeing with you the most. To me, seeing how you would actually apply your views with empathy in a real world situation helped me better understand your positions. Also, I tried to watch the original video and just couldn't get through it thanks to Myron
28:07 i disagree with this, i started because i hated my body for what it was, and hate and disgust towards how i looked fueled me to keep working and at some point when I started seeing results and got some compliments on how i look, i started to love my body, i hated it until i loved it pretty much so no, you absolutely don't have to start by loving your body
He knows that and has talked about it at length in many of his videos. I guess this opinion didn't really fit here so he kind of "changed" it. Change in quotes because he didn't really change it per se, rather he added a time element to it (you have to love the body to 'sustain' the process) But yeah, he definitely has 100% said in the past that he hated how his body looked and that's partly the reason why he started his lifting journey.
this video felt much shorter than one hour so thats probably a good sign. your commentary had a good mix of entertainement and thoughtfulness so it didnt break the pace of the discussion. the discussion was entertaining. Interestingly, i want to point out that it was partly because of that fit health dude or w.e. having a heel made it more interesting and also entertaining as he was that thing that you clued me on, a mesmer or something? the people that make fun of themselves without intending. He might be detrimental to society but he is gold for entertainement but at the same time he finally became good for society as it helped people express themselves postitively by confronting him positively
Great video! I would love to see you make a video about dealing with difficult parents. I also like hearing things you’ve went through (good and bad) and how you dealt with it.
For me personally I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. I think everyone can agree for example that most people who are addicted to heroin don't have the willpower to quit it on their own. Not to mention their whole social environment revolves around it. If say quitting heroin takes 100 points of will power most people have around 30-40. And I would say this is generally socially accepted because we have rehab centers and such which help people do something they cant do on their own. Does everyone have the ability to quit heroin on their own? Yes but not even close to everyone will. Now if youre smart you might be thinking "heroin isnt the same as being fat" and you would be correct. Heroin is far more addictive but I used it an an example to prove my point. Society as it is right now makes being fat too easy. Theres way too much bad food around and not the necessary education on exercise and diet for people to adopt healthy lifestyle choices from the start. I think this proven by the fact that there are so many fat people. Nobody wants to be fat, yet there are fat people. This to me atleast demonstrates that most people who fall into that hole don't necessarily have what it takes to get out of it. So I think society is pushing people to get fat and some people cant resist it and get fat and then theyre unable to get out it. And thats not to say you cant be healthy and lose weight on your own, of course you can, but to me just telling every fat person to lose weight doesnt seem to address the full scope of the problem.
The harsh reality of addiction is that you can't help an addict before they themselves are ready to be helped. Facts doesn't matter to them, it is all about a realization that has to come from within that creates the willingness to change. It sucks, but that is how it is. Most people want the best for others around them, but sometimes it is just best to let the addict find their own way. Food addiction is hard, because you will need to consume food for the rest of your life, not the same with heroin or other illicit substances. The success rate for people to permanently lose weight and keep it off is very small. It is a commitment for the rest of their life.
@@EEDIR-DKVery true. My best friend has struggled with his weight his entire life. He’s talked to me a handful of times about what to do… and that “this time will be different because I’m getting married… or this time will be different because I want to be able to play with my kids…” but it never changes. It’s the same for most everyone… and I’ve told him that… you have to find that catalyst to make you want to have change. Doesn’t matter how many tools I give you or how small of step by step I break it down. It’s not like you even have to eat “health food” either. You can still eat spaghetti and meatballs as long as you understand portions or not buying the worst of the worst (pasta sauces have up to a 70 calorie per serving swing depending on which you buy). You can still eat cheeseburgers as long as you go with leaner ground beef (might not be AS good, but you can’t even tell the difference after awhile… and 93/7 which is the most common of the leaner but you can get leaner that’s got a better profile is is 170cal/23 protein which is closer to superfood ratios while 80/20 is 280cal/19 protein which sneaks close to being labeled as “not a good source of protein). Just think about that… with 93/7 you could eat a whole pound of it in one sitting with a bun and some cheese and be lower calories than most premium burgers at a restaurant/fast food while getting to 100 grams of protein (I don’t suggest it… but it shows how such a little difference matters so much). People just have this stereotyped idea of you need to eat all sorts of veggies and chicken… and it’s just not true. However, that’s what turns them off.
I also believe in most cases it's a choice. But when to lose weight (this year or next) it's not entirely your choice due to lack of education, mental strength, personal growth.
@@Nunak91everything you put in your mouth is a choice. You get a 10% buffer vs 1960’s bodies to account for the chemicals in the food in America bit thats all I’m gonna give people. the studies have been done.
I was really impressed by your takes here NH. It was a more empathetic side of you that does not tend to come through in your no-nonsense bodybuilding focused content. I think your strongest point was when you touched on that if you’re happy with a dad bod and have a happy and reasonably healthy life - go for it. I agree completely, at the end of the day in the USA, as long as you’re not hurting others, live how you want to in the land of the free.
it is also to be said, that body positive is not just about fat people. It is about being positive about your body, included (SHOULD) also be disabilities, skin defects (and other forms of genetic deformeties), veterans and others who've lost limbs.
I think this format complements your commentary. It’s good to hear your input as the video is playing. I recommend you keep this up, it gets your point out clearer and more effectively.
Usually that's how it's starts with our journey. We hate the way we look or feel and as we get older and more fit often we develop a kinder approach to ourselves. It's good starter fuel but becomes a problem if we live in that state forever... I hated my body most of my adult life and only realized in the last few years that it's okay to love my body but also want to sculpt it to be better
I enjoyed the format -- very entertaining, but also your reactions tend to be insightful, and inspire contemplation that wouldn't have occurred had I just watched the original debate.
Well, at least they understood more stuff than before they started the debate. M0ron doesn't know how to solve the problem he himself complains so much about, but all the fat guys came out understanding more.
More reaction videos!! Unlike many other content creators you provided a level of background that added to the conversation. Your knowledge can be used to further discussion and it would be great to see you expand more on other topics. Thanks for the good opinions n' great takes!
I love your constant emphasis on nuance. It seems to counter human nature, and therefore it is also anti-pragmatic. It's an age old principle of propaganda. The nuanced and reasonable will be trampled by the fiercely emotional and radical; so it is a question of the contextual interest - do you wish to develop ideas and arrive at a "truthful" conception, or do you want to implement changes in a society? I think the distinction between the two is crucial for one who wishes to make his ideas impactful.
That video was awesome. Didn't click at first because "react videos" are not what I like to watch usually, but your points and comments were so good I sat through the entire thing, didn't even realize an hour had passed. Plus de vidéos de ce genre seront les bienvenues !
Nobody will read this but the last time I have a memory of not being fat, I was playing basketball in middle school at a local church. I did something to piss off my best friend who was fairly popular growing up and he beat me up. I decided to never get beat up again and started eating and lifting, but having no idea how to lift and no gym in my life or even weights i never developed any decent physique. After high school (i was technically home schooled after middle school)I was mostly petted by the people around me, despite having a BMI of 36 nobody around me told me i had a weight problem. I think having big shoulders and muscular arms helped hide how obese i really was. Im 28 now and i hope its not too late to chamge my life and become aesthetic but I've honestly never heard of someone in my situation much less at my age make a change that big but im hoping one of your programs and a gym membership will help. Being on 1,500 calories a day and working out 4x a week sucks but im making the choice. That guy in the green jacket crushed it. Very inspirational.
Don't be ridiculous. It doesn't matter how fat you are you're literally only 28. I don't know how much you weigh but i've seen plenty of people who are up to 500 pounds and have made amazing transformations. Do your absolute best and I know you can get jacked as fuck
I don't think there is any reason you can't change yourself. I personally started my (serious) fitness journey at around 25. Way behind a lot of people and I don't look anything like I did then and that's been several years ago. I believe in you man, if my super skinny @ss can turn semi jacked I'm sure you can do as well if not best me in this pursuit. Seriously if I had the ability to show you my previous self it was hilariously skinny and underdeveloped
I like watching reaction videos because I like listening to different perspectives and opinions and often times you find value and good insight. I really like your take, very eloquent and well thought out. You seem to have a very broad and diverse view and understanding of the world, lots of wisdom. I hope you do more reaction videos because it’s also good you called out Fit’s insufferably red pill mentality. People need to listen to this and stay away from extreme view points. Wish you the best!
Myron (Fresh & Fit) made the OG video unwatchable for me, so I'm glad you went through it and yea the Black gay fat man was making the best points from what I saw.
I love how the nuances you add to the discussion isnt radical fence sitting. I hate when these discussions are talked about and people recite sentiments of centrism with rhetoric like "both sides are equally bad blah blah" without even having the arguments to justify such claims.
@ambiguoususername2966 it sounds like an oxymoron until you realize people do it all the time in an effort to appear "even-handed" or "fair "out of sheer cowardice to select a consistent position. People do this on a multitude of topics because if you stand for nothing, you don't have to justify anything that may compromise how others perceive you.
The copyright owner of the original video claimed & monetized it, so if you're getting ads, this is why. I am still committed to keeping the channel ads-free.
Thank you NH for everything
Remember block all adds everywhere
He can make money from your videos? That's wild.
UA-cam's interpretation of copyright law is what it is.
Time to turn on the adblocked for this video!
"i dont consume that type of content cos im 30 and married" made me laugh so much for some reason
Same here
it's the perfect way of highlighting how pathetic that kind of content is, in terms that even it can understand
He said it in a way where there was a delayed effect.
30 seconds afterwards I was lol'ing.
It's like an unintended diss😂
@@nimblelineit’s funny to watch them sometimes but most of the time they are just mean to chicks on there they do other types of content but I don’t really get anything out of it
Ah NH, you don't disappoint! Very refreshing to hear such a well thought-out response, here. Cathartic, even. I completely agree with your review of Fresh and Fit. I'd not watched his channel before - but what a clown! I find his lack of self-awareness and critical thinking far more egregious than any excess bodyfat.
We can only hope more people consume intelligently put-together content like your own. Keep up the excellent work, man 💪
We need a collab with you two!
Petition for NH to change the channel name to: French and Fit
That's gold
NaturallyFrenchAndFit
That's an oxymoron
If not the channel name, at least the name of a series!
Lmfaooo
PED users talking about health is golden
I think they actually know a lot about health because they (the smart ones) have to over compensate to avoid the possible negative sides of what they are using. Most do not drink, try to eat clean, and take supplements and medications to keep everything dialed in.
This, and also using peds isnt necessarily unhealthy unless you use abusive dosages, if you're smart about it, it should be safe.
@@JT-yx7vf While I agree with you in all seriousness would you wanna take health advice from a current alcoholic or heroin user? I mean let's be honest here PED users are most definitely addicts and they cope all of the time for their usage.
@@Arachnid-Popular That seems like wishful thinking.
Nope, its never safe, you can just lessen the symptoms but the core problem never goes away
39:50 - F*cking killed me when NH says "fit bro here who has swallowed the entire bottle of red pills" 🤣
Tbh what the guy in the green suit said about working out BECAUSE you love your body, really resonated with me.
Loving yourself, or, better, appreciating yourself and your chances, and wanting to improve, and getting your body in sufficient conditions is definitely a great thing to take into consideration.
that green guy had a lot of good takes.
He's pretty overweight though.
@@alanlee67He knows that he's not ideally where he wants to be, yet. He's working on losing weight with a trainer.
the fact that i saw this seconds after upload is a warning sign of my chronic online addiction and parasocial relationship
Please get the help you deserve by setting a screen time limit progressively underloadbscreen time!
I just got here early bc i have notifs on
Probably not
His videos are becoming more condusive to it now
It's so over for you
is being french a choice???
Indeed, you will unfrench yourself if you become a normal person. Don't be french, be better.
Ello
Yes
Sadly no, it's an incurable affliction
It's a choice in a way that continuing to live (after realizing you're french) is a choice.
We got NH reaction content before GTA6
NH making a short is also possible before GTA 6
NH reaction short with split-screen Minecraft parkour (for paid subscribers only)
Will this troglodytic humor ever stop being used?
@@kzg_veritas12 I would say after GTA 6 comes out but people will probably reverse the format when that happens sooo no
@@walter7454 these estrogenic turbo normie Vidya gtg
I understand reaction content being lazy but I love seeing videos like this from you! It’s always fun to see others philosophy about a controversial subject
Yes ! Unless the reaction include a new and different opinion. Just watching people react with a stoic face to a random video is just boring af.
I would love to see ppl like NH or other decent ytoubers bring this format to a more respectable level.
Agreed
What controversial about being healthy and lose excess fat? People you all crazy I swear.
Its not controversial
fat shaming should be a thing
i honestly can't take a video debating about "Health" seriously , while having both sides equally destroys their health and taking years off of their lives ..
"PED users preach health to Obese people" is the joke of the century imo ...
Of course they will. The damage they do is on the inside for the most part and we’re talking about a population selected on the basis of mimicking long years of hard work.
The Myron guy at least has a truly great physique though. That one is the more healthy, normal and better one. The fattest ones and the the more jacked and huge ones are the most unhealthy for sure.
Myron isn’t on PEDs
Except Greg knows what he did wasn’t healthy that’s why he tries to warn others, I see nothing wrong with that
@@dusk6159 Myron is tiny, he looks like a noob even after 10 years of lifting. What are you on about.
Another hour-long French rant? Yes sir!
Fat gain might come down to calories in vs calories out but self control comes Down to the individual. I have great self control when it comes to diet and exercise and yet I smoke pot multiple times a day and can't stop for more than a few months. We all have different challenges
Exactly, who of us is perfect? I'm not fat, but I am certainly no Christ either.
Yeah. I go to gym consistently (went 6x a week every morning during my last vacation period) and have fairly solid self-control with food, but admittedly have terrible discipline with a certain addiction of mine. It'd be nicer if self-control was more consistent among the different aspects of one's life.
Exactly. You can influence people's ability to control themselves so much that you cannot possibly place all the responsibility on them. Inject a hunger hormone and most people will overeat. Move grocery stores far away and suddenly most people will eat fast food. Don't educate people on nutrition and they will fall for fat loss scams. All these things and more are obviously outside of our control, yet so many people still hold the individual fully accountable, it makes no sense.
Leptin and ghrelin disagree with you. However you 100% have agency over It if you are not medically sick. The problem is a bit more complex than It seems on the surface but yeah, It is still very well within the individual's control if you are not completely out of whack medically
Overwhelming majority of cause of overweight is non-medical lifestyle related reasons. Unless they’re diagnosed with specific conditions like Cushing syndrome and Hashimoto disease they have no excuse.
There's plenty of lazy react content out there, but I feel like you added a lot of extra value to the original video. I liked the overall format, would watch more videos like this
I like the fact you went point by point and interjected at perfect times with INSIGHTFUL comments and not just go “oh wow, that’s crazy lol”
I would not mind more vids like this brother!
I grew up as a fat kid, and my parents shamed me for it. However, when I started to lift, they actually shamed me more. Apparently because I can make a program and stick to it I'm now obsessive, and my dad actually got jealous of me because I was stronger than him. If I had followed their advice I would be a 130 pound DYEL as a male and I'm not exaggerating. I think that's the key difference.
Not my parents but did have that with my sister lol.
Made fun of me being a fat kid.
Made fun of me for going to the gym as a teen.
Turned around at told me one day "Aren't you glad I made fun of you for being fat? Otherwise you'd be a lot fatter than you are now".
Watching this while eating a big meal makes it even better
To break the situation of being skinny who's actually a tough condition to crack, and with (of course in a general and usual setting) no information and care around. Especially if that person is an ectomorph, which sets you back a lot.
Legio Gloria!
@@HassanAli-vd5ue Yes! 💪😎
Big dude calling Myron DYLE was so funny
-Advocate for shaming
-Gets shamed for being small
-Get butthurt and insecure about it
Literally gold lmao
@@nitolinilo9034 How did he get butthurt about it?
You're strawmanning him. He advocates for shaming unhealthy bodies. He has a healthy body. His body is actually healthier than the steroid users' bodies.
*DYEL
@@nitolinilo9034 In what way did he get butthurt? Yall are literally making it up lmfao
It is true tho
NH, I usually don’t like react content, but this was absolutely transformative and even more thought provoking than the original debate video. I am all for more content like this in the future
I dont think I’ve ever seen a good debate. It’s always organized with idiots who make their side look awful. I hope everyone realizes how amazing a role model nh is. His commitment to a strong mind is so beautiful it makes me moved by passion.
i've found that empathy and simply existing as a person to trains motivates 'normal' people (they are far from normal, but not fit) actually begin to train, and all i do is encourage and show positive affirmation/guidance etc. Far better than shaming.
For those who aren't entrenched or completely unaware, that's for sure, not even close.
Emotions can be converted into action. But shaming someone tends to give strong emotions that only really last for a few days and are the opposite of what you need.
Thinking that somebody's gonna work out and lose 20kg because you made them feel crappy is like thinking that a motivational YT short is gonna turn someone's life around.
Psychological reactance is a totally unconscious behavior that our freedoms are being infringed upon, and it makes the behaviors and freedoms that are perceived as threatened more appealing. This is why shame doesn't work, it just mostly creates people that will never change for the positive because they can never be happy with themselves enough to believe they're worthy or capable of that change
Its ok to be fat or weak as long as you are making progress to get yourself out of that situation.
Everyone starts somewhere, but you have to start.
Myron really thought he knew what it's like to be overweight and lose that weight just because he went on a bulk 🤦♂
He's not wrong though. It's calories in calories out. Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of physics.
Fat people take in more energy than they burn, so their body stores it as fat.
@@Shiranui400 Yes but that is not what makes it difficult
@@tomjaap2933 That is entirely irrelevent. It doesn't matter how difficult it is mentally. People are responsible for their own actions. Fat people are lazy and full of excuses and excess food. They claim things like, "genetics", as an excuse for their own poor decisions. The only thing separating fit people from fat people is consistent applied effort. Everyone has excuses.
@@Shiranui400 a person with an average metabolism has no idea what it's like to either lose or gain weight. It's not even remotely the same as simply cutting or bulking. And I'm coming from another side of the spectrum - I'm naturally skinny so I can't gain weight as fast as an average person despite eating 4000+ calories a day, like I'm in a crazy surplus and still it takes literally years, I can imagine it's largely the same for a naturally fat person to lose weight, the effort it takes is significantly higher compared to an average sized guy who decided to bulk and later on cut to square one. Note that I'm not saying it's impossible and you should just give up because it's hard and takes time, not at all, quite the opposite but listening to a guy like Myron saying "Oh, I know what it's like, I went on a bulk once" is hysterical.
@@Shiranui400 It's not about thermodynamics in this case though, it's about human psychology. Somebody who walked from Point A to Point B will obviously have a much easier time going back to Point A, compared to somebody whose only ever known Point B.
This is definitely proof that reaction content can be very positive for the platform if done correctly, very enjoyable video
If fat people ‘take too many resources’ by eating, bodybuilders, and athletes do too. They both eat more food to train, we get injured through sport.
Processed food is way more wasteful and environmentally damaging than unprocessed food. And obesity costs the healthcare system way more than exercise related injuries.
First of all even if they would consume the same amount of foods, the result would be that you have a healthy population, and also the strain on healthcare is much greater with alot of fat people. So this take is just incorrect.
@@tomjaap2933 That's a fair counter point
But they don't drain the health care system nearly as much
@@Kashmachine10 Basketball and football players blow out their knees, I don't think we'd call them out for draining our healthcare system. I don't think it's good to vilify people who are not doing well. There's a lot of bias/disdain for fat people already.
6:44 WAIT. He doesn’t always sound like the parrot from Aladdin?
lmao
He puts on that voice because those videos get more views and he's even stated that reason in one of them. He uses his normal voice in old videos and occasionally in newer ones when he's trying to be more serious.
Yelling truly does wonders for your videos and for getting attention spans. And the ridicolous part of his tone might get him even more views lol
They told him he couldn't sling his friggin' cookbook and turkesterone so he toned it down
@@johnprager662 And cutting pushing
I’m personally saddened by how lifters talk about fat people. I want the fat people to better themselves, to be happier and healthier. I don’t hate them, I hate their lifestyle and our system that breeds all these issues.
Or, to quote the great George Hackenschmidt:
“ It may be suggested that there is no reason why a
man should go to the trouble and exertion of struggling with heavy weights, since there is no crying necessity for that particular man to acquire any phenomenal degree of strength.
To that I would reply by asking why a man should
desire to be weak?
He was endowed by his Creator with muscles and
sinews which would enable him to cope successfully with such physical feats as he might be faced with during his earthly career.”
Encourage people to be better, that’s what we’re here for.
"I dont hate them, i hate their lifestyles" sounds a lot like "hate the sin, not the Sinner"
Hackenschmidt was a very forward thinking person and im here for it
@@Oi-mj6dvalso a physical beast himself
@@natanoj16both very valid
That Fresh&Fit guy comes across as so insecure, he can't seem to understand nuanced discussion so just goes to extremes to make himself feel superior
he also gay as hell there are pics of him laying half naked and cuddling with guys in a bed
The same guy that hates women 🤡
He never gave one extreme example infact the fat guys did . I know you get triggered by harshly he states the truth just like the oc pointed out but he is speaking facts . If fat men actualy listen to it and instead of being emotional work on themselves they will lead a better life but like he said some guys will always be losers you can’t change them .
he's not insecure, I think he genuinely can't process nuance. He is like GPT with 4-5 statements and keeps on repeating
just not true
NH being complimentary to greg wasn't on my 2024 bingo card
Doucette here is totally out of his performance setting and on the marketing for his channel after all
idk if y‘all follow greg, but he actually makes a lot of sense…mostly at least. Many people hate on him because of his content. But then there are even videos in which he says that he likes to earn money and does what he does, people watch it…But in the videos, he usually doesn’t talk nonsense or something like that
This format was great honestly. You were insightful the whole way through
Having myron on was a mistake
Myron having been born was a mistake
The video wouldn’t have been shared as much if he wasn’t on acting like an ass.
Yes but it's good to see that physique example. It's the best one and the more useful one to strive for.
Nah, he's really funny, they knew what they were doing
@dusk6159 Imagine thinking Myron has a good physique lmao
natural hypertrophy with a school assembly mic 🎤
Hey man, 58s are incredibly good mics. It's the room that makes it sound like an assembly. There have been studio fires and those were the only things that survived. Absolutely goated mic
@@tweatification to be fair NH would be a good guest in a school for speech too
My only reservation when it comes to giving full critique to fat people is this- modern processed food is hyper palatable, hyper available, and full of chemicals that fuck with your body negatively. At least in America, you are to a large extent encouraged towards having an unhealthy lifestyle. I empathize with fat people because I was there once and I know how easy it is to fall into those traps.
You can't expect the individual to always go against their environment, it's just not reasonable, also collective decisions are way more efficient that just do it bro
@@theimperial5368What is a collective decision?
@@jmass4207 the government limiting the ability of corporation to put a shitton of oil, sugar into food to make them more palatable to sell more
it's everything, hyperpalatable foods, an employer that demands asses in seats for 40-50 hours a week and shames you for taking vacations, non-walkable/bikeable cities, where those things cross you find higher rates of obesity
At some point you have to acknowledge that the world we live in is truth, pure and simple. If these problems exist, there is a cause. To pin it all down to inadequacy is far too simplistic, I agree
Really liked this style of video. Felt way more enjoyable to watch as it felt like I was getting your genuine reaction in real time to each of the points made. Hope you do more of this style in the future.
when I grad from college in like a year and get a job I’m going to pledge some money, so keep the channel alive till then‼️‼️
Channel got me started in lifting like 2 years ago so I gotta give back
NH great vid bro. I like this format. Wouldn't mind more like this
the funniest thing about the Fresh and fit guy, is that at some point towards the end, someone says his ways of approaching this subject aren't going to work for everyone,
and his response is: "You need to have winners and losers, those people are the losers".
So basically it's even worse than the fact that he's just a mirror. When presented with the fact that having a bit more empathy could help more people lose weight, he just says those people shouldn't lose weight, so that they can be the losers to contrast the winners which are the people who can lose weight.
He literally admits that he doesn't want to help people. He just wants to help some people, and then he wants to make others feel bad.
I guess that he means those who push back or don't get it right away, or in the situations where you can't help it unless you put a great amount of care and speeches. He gladly leaves it as it is, without much thought or gripe.
Most people are genuinely not worth helping
yeah but if they don't even attempt or care themself why should he make extra efforts to convince them
To your point about individualistic culture and the west being more obese:
It's not really that true.
East Asian countries, in particular Japan and Korea are the exception with much lower obesity rates now and historically, although the trend is also toward more and more obesity in those countries.
However other countries do not seem to fit that pattern at all.
You mentioned Mexico. Mexico has a higher rate of obesity than almost all European countries (with only the UK, Hungary and Czech Republik being higher but they're almost at the same level).
Middle Eastern and North African countries have obesity rates just as high or sometimes even higher than western countries and that's despite being significantly poorer.
The only countries that are not affected by obesity to the same degree are East Asian countries (Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, Vietnam) and really poor countries (India, much of Africa, Indonesia).
It also remain to be seen whether all the East Asians stay at lower obesity rates, China is already ahead of Japan and Korea, despite being poorer and only having developed economically in recent decades.
The US stands out as being particularly obese compared to it's peers (the obesity rate is ~10 points higher than in European countries) and the other western English speaking countries (Canada, UK Australia NZ) are also somewhat more obese than the non-English speaking ones, so I do think culture has an impact but it's not as obvious as you make it out to be and most cultures seem to be impacted similarly by obesity.
Also another factor to point out for a country like Japan with a culture that puts a lot of emphasis on conformity not just obese people stand out. If you lift you'll also stand out more and I would guess that "swole shaming" is also more prevalent.
Like I watched a video recently by an American living in Japan talking about Japanese (gym) culture. The video is called "Why Gyms in Japan SUCK, and What I Recommend You Do" maybe check it out. Basically in Japan there are way fewer people interested in getting big and strong and most people rather want to be somewhat fit, healthy and skinny.
So when you say you'd rather have a society with more suffering but more excellence I think the East Asian way is, at least as it relates to lifting and Bodybuilding not doing that. It's rather giving you the choice of either having a society where everyone is skinny or having a society of obese people where some break out of the mold and get jacked. In that sense the individualistic culture seems to be more aligned with what you say you prefer. Of course I'm overgeneralizing but I think it's somewhat accurate.
6:57 "You can be correct and still be wrong." ~ Natural Hypertrophy
myron once again proving that being the "smart" one on his podcast isn't that big of an achievement.
Not that difficult when you only talk to ultra privileged women
Please make more vids like this. I like the philosophical comments on human behavior in a reality tv type setting.
It's like building muscle. Some are generally predisposed to hold or put weight on more than others, but it in no way is a set outcome.
That's way harder and less guaranteed/seamless though. Just like a comparison with maintaining your already obtained muscles.
I love what you said NH in regards to all shaming not being recieved equally, when you said: The same boiling water that softens the potato boils the egg - what a great idiom
Why tf did they bring in two PED users into this conversation. Pot calling the kettle black.
i love this. you have great insight, open mindedness, and empathy. i too find myself being someone who values excellency and being hard on myself in order to improve, above comfortability. a lot of your views and ideas put into perspective for me why this does not work for everyone, when you spew what works for you as if it makes you better than everyone else and its the only correct way (like fresh and fit man) it doesn't help anyone but the people who are like you. thank you for your words mr guy
everyone apart from that fresh and fit dude had a pretty healthy discussion. I wish the moderator had shut him down a bit when he was being a moron
Great video, this is what reaction content should be more like. If you did more reaction videos in this manor while having it be on interesting topics I'd definitely watch more
it is most definitely not a choice **donut eating intensifies**
Nice name lmao
JAJAJA XD your User name 🤣🤣
This was great content! You should focus on a dedicated series where you add nuance to polarizing topics
Fresh and fit is that one dude in mock debate in high school english class. Too bad he never graduated mentally
I like you doing a video like this, it’s different from what you normally put out, it was entertaining and I still learned something :)
To the argument about fat people using more resources. Couldn't that argument be made about people in fitness as well? The amount of wasted eggs used to make egg whites, the wasted dairy to make protein supplements. The surpluses in food they consume to bulk, the medical resources they use from abusing PEDs, etc?
Man I am so glad I found your channel. This one in particular provided me with a lot of introspection. You’re a smart man. Thank you!
This format was really nice considering you were actually giving out some wisdom and not just watching for us.
NH you brought a really balanced perspective to this which I liked
7:40 you are completely right, this type of attitude is usually held by people who just maxed out in one area of their life and become elitist about it, but to a lot of people fitness may not be the most important, and they might focus more on things like education. Acting so superior just because you are skinny compared to someone else and lacking empathy for where they are at in life is stupid. Maybe someone is far more intelligent in mathematics than Myron from F&F because they spent more time learning than him, that wouldn't make it okay for them to degrade him for it though, as he is doing to overweight people. btw gaza has a high rate of obesity and is one of the fatest places in the ME, so the point Myron was making is even less coherent
I loved this format. It brings a better informative video as it superposes the original opinion with yours and therefore it seems less impersonal.
Natural Hypertrophy on fresh and fit would explode
I thought it was good, normally react channels don't have much insight to add, since they react to all kinds of videos, but when someone reacting actually has something to say about the topic it makes it interesting and a good way to see the original video through different lenses
Hello, NH. Love your videos, been following your Toji physique program for ~6 months.
Did you get a satisfying GAINZ?
@@KdogHomless I gained around 3-4 kg of lean muscle. However, I suppose that you can have better gains if you commit to the bulk
@@amirkunuspekov7121 like you said its not the best you can definatly gain a bit more but its still really good and if your constantly worried about being the most optimal you will go crazy for only a few more kg
4kg without bulking in 6 months is actually nuts.
Incredibly balanced & sensible commentary, thank you. I never would have had the patience to suffer through this original video, but your reaction made it worthwhile to catch the highlights and still get value from the discussion.
I swear to good when i first watched the fit vs fat video i was like this video is kinda debatabe/philosophical next thing i know you dropped a video about it 😂😂😂
I liked the video and would appreciate more like it. There is a vast difference between the head bobbing reactions you pointed out and a nuanced take like this, which feels more like a conversation taking place. I've seen some of your other philosophy based or adjacent videos and so far this is the one where I found myself agreeing with you the most. To me, seeing how you would actually apply your views with empathy in a real world situation helped me better understand your positions.
Also, I tried to watch the original video and just couldn't get through it thanks to Myron
did NOT expect this but holy shit i'm here for it
Please react to more of these types of viral videos, i really enjoy hearing you bring nuance to the conversation.
28:07 i disagree with this, i started because i hated my body for what it was, and hate and disgust towards how i looked fueled me to keep working and at some point when I started seeing results and got some compliments on how i look, i started to love my body, i hated it until i loved it pretty much so no, you absolutely don't have to start by loving your body
He knows that and has talked about it at length in many of his videos. I guess this opinion didn't really fit here so he kind of "changed" it. Change in quotes because he didn't really change it per se, rather he added a time element to it (you have to love the body to 'sustain' the process)
But yeah, he definitely has 100% said in the past that he hated how his body looked and that's partly the reason why he started his lifting journey.
this video felt much shorter than one hour so thats probably a good sign. your commentary had a good mix of entertainement and thoughtfulness so it didnt break the pace of the discussion. the discussion was entertaining. Interestingly, i want to point out that it was partly because of that fit health dude or w.e. having a heel made it more interesting and also entertaining as he was that thing that you clued me on, a mesmer or something? the people that make fun of themselves without intending. He might be detrimental to society but he is gold for entertainement but at the same time he finally became good for society as it helped people express themselves postitively by confronting him positively
Natural Reactrophy
Great video! I would love to see you make a video about dealing with difficult parents. I also like hearing things you’ve went through (good and bad) and how you dealt with it.
For me personally I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. I think everyone can agree for example that most people who are addicted to heroin don't have the willpower to quit it on their own. Not to mention their whole social environment revolves around it. If say quitting heroin takes 100 points of will power most people have around 30-40. And I would say this is generally socially accepted because we have rehab centers and such which help people do something they cant do on their own. Does everyone have the ability to quit heroin on their own? Yes but not even close to everyone will. Now if youre smart you might be thinking "heroin isnt the same as being fat" and you would be correct. Heroin is far more addictive but I used it an an example to prove my point. Society as it is right now makes being fat too easy. Theres way too much bad food around and not the necessary education on exercise and diet for people to adopt healthy lifestyle choices from the start. I think this proven by the fact that there are so many fat people. Nobody wants to be fat, yet there are fat people. This to me atleast demonstrates that most people who fall into that hole don't necessarily have what it takes to get out of it. So I think society is pushing people to get fat and some people cant resist it and get fat and then theyre unable to get out it. And thats not to say you cant be healthy and lose weight on your own, of course you can, but to me just telling every fat person to lose weight doesnt seem to address the full scope of the problem.
"In the middle" boring ass ahh
The harsh reality of addiction is that you can't help an addict before they themselves are ready to be helped. Facts doesn't matter to them, it is all about a realization that has to come from within that creates the willingness to change. It sucks, but that is how it is. Most people want the best for others around them, but sometimes it is just best to let the addict find their own way. Food addiction is hard, because you will need to consume food for the rest of your life, not the same with heroin or other illicit substances. The success rate for people to permanently lose weight and keep it off is very small. It is a commitment for the rest of their life.
@@EEDIR-DKVery true. My best friend has struggled with his weight his entire life. He’s talked to me a handful of times about what to do… and that “this time will be different because I’m getting married… or this time will be different because I want to be able to play with my kids…” but it never changes.
It’s the same for most everyone… and I’ve told him that… you have to find that catalyst to make you want to have change. Doesn’t matter how many tools I give you or how small of step by step I break it down.
It’s not like you even have to eat “health food” either. You can still eat spaghetti and meatballs as long as you understand portions or not buying the worst of the worst (pasta sauces have up to a 70 calorie per serving swing depending on which you buy). You can still eat cheeseburgers as long as you go with leaner ground beef (might not be AS good, but you can’t even tell the difference after awhile… and 93/7 which is the most common of the leaner but you can get leaner that’s got a better profile is is 170cal/23 protein which is closer to superfood ratios while 80/20 is 280cal/19 protein which sneaks close to being labeled as “not a good source of protein). Just think about that… with 93/7 you could eat a whole pound of it in one sitting with a bun and some cheese and be lower calories than most premium burgers at a restaurant/fast food while getting to 100 grams of protein (I don’t suggest it… but it shows how such a little difference matters so much).
People just have this stereotyped idea of you need to eat all sorts of veggies and chicken… and it’s just not true. However, that’s what turns them off.
I appreciate you reacting to things bro.
Yes, unless someone is bedridden with Meniere's Disease and has to fight back 10x harder.
And has poverty genetics on top of that.
That pause at 7:35 with Myron's goofy-ass face has gone way too underappreciated in the comments. Also, broCCOli for the win! Another great vid
As a former 400 lb fatty who’s now lean and shredded I can confirm it’s a choice
Same i used to be 150kg
And now i have abs
It's a choice if you want it
Congrats 🫡🔥
I also believe in most cases it's a choice.
But when to lose weight (this year or next) it's not entirely your choice due to lack of education, mental strength, personal growth.
The laws of thermodynamics confirmed it was a choice 4 billion years ago
@@Nunak91everything you put in your mouth is a choice. You get a 10% buffer vs 1960’s bodies to account for the chemicals in the food in America bit thats all I’m gonna give people. the studies have been done.
I was really impressed by your takes here NH. It was a more empathetic side of you that does not tend to come through in your no-nonsense bodybuilding focused content. I think your strongest point was when you touched on that if you’re happy with a dad bod and have a happy and reasonably healthy life - go for it. I agree completely, at the end of the day in the USA, as long as you’re not hurting others, live how you want to in the land of the free.
Listed to this during a workout and it was awesome NH please make more
The Myron guy was such a knob on that show 😂
He made it 100x more entertaining tho 😂
He's what you get when you buy Andrew Tate on wish
hes very skinny to call him self fit
@@princerak8881 are his arms 13inch or maybe 14? What would y'all estimate?
He’s a knob all the time.
So glad I watch this instead of the original video. You've added so much value to the discussion.
it is also to be said, that body positive is not just about fat people.
It is about being positive about your body, included (SHOULD) also be disabilities, skin defects (and other forms of genetic deformeties), veterans and others who've lost limbs.
Yes, the FA movement "took it over" in some way.
I think this format complements your commentary. It’s good to hear your input as the video is playing. I recommend you keep this up, it gets your point out clearer and more effectively.
I literally decided that I hated being that fat black kid, it's always a decision that starts your journey
Same man, I remember the exact moment-leaving a pool party cause I was the only fat guy there.
Usually that's how it's starts with our journey. We hate the way we look or feel and as we get older and more fit often we develop a kinder approach to ourselves. It's good starter fuel but becomes a problem if we live in that state forever... I hated my body most of my adult life and only realized in the last few years that it's okay to love my body but also want to sculpt it to be better
Same bro
I enjoyed the format -- very entertaining, but also your reactions tend to be insightful, and inspire contemplation that wouldn't have occurred had I just watched the original debate.
If there was any chance the fat guys left the debate with a healthier mindset, fresh and fit absolutely ruined it lol.
Well, at least they understood more stuff than before they started the debate. M0ron doesn't know how to solve the problem he himself complains so much about, but all the fat guys came out understanding more.
More reaction videos!! Unlike many other content creators you provided a level of background that added to the conversation. Your knowledge can be used to further discussion and it would be great to see you expand more on other topics. Thanks for the good opinions n' great takes!
Love the philosophical content
I love your constant emphasis on nuance. It seems to counter human nature, and therefore it is also anti-pragmatic. It's an age old principle of propaganda. The nuanced and reasonable will be trampled by the fiercely emotional and radical; so it is a question of the contextual interest - do you wish to develop ideas and arrive at a "truthful" conception, or do you want to implement changes in a society? I think the distinction between the two is crucial for one who wishes to make his ideas impactful.
Me when I have to not put food into my mouth to live 30 years longer (it is an unsurmountable task):
This format is great please keep it up!
Would love more vids like this NH. You roasting Myron was a bonus treat as well 😭
That video was awesome. Didn't click at first because "react videos" are not what I like to watch usually, but your points and comments were so good I sat through the entire thing, didn't even realize an hour had passed. Plus de vidéos de ce genre seront les bienvenues !
Nobody will read this but the last time I have a memory of not being fat, I was playing basketball in middle school at a local church. I did something to piss off my best friend who was fairly popular growing up and he beat me up. I decided to never get beat up again and started eating and lifting, but having no idea how to lift and no gym in my life or even weights i never developed any decent physique.
After high school (i was technically home schooled after middle school)I was mostly petted by the people around me, despite having a BMI of 36 nobody around me told me i had a weight problem. I think having big shoulders and muscular arms helped hide how obese i really was.
Im 28 now and i hope its not too late to chamge my life and become aesthetic but I've honestly never heard of someone in my situation much less at my age make a change that big but im hoping one of your programs and a gym membership will help.
Being on 1,500 calories a day and working out 4x a week sucks but im making the choice. That guy in the green jacket crushed it. Very inspirational.
wagmi bruh, you can do it 💪
Don't be ridiculous. It doesn't matter how fat you are you're literally only 28. I don't know how much you weigh but i've seen plenty of people who are up to 500 pounds and have made amazing transformations. Do your absolute best and I know you can get jacked as fuck
You don’t need to be on 1500 cal per day. Be more moderate with your deficit. At that rate you’re probably going to crash and burn.
You can do it at any age I believe in you
I don't think there is any reason you can't change yourself. I personally started my (serious) fitness journey at around 25. Way behind a lot of people and I don't look anything like I did then and that's been several years ago. I believe in you man, if my super skinny @ss can turn semi jacked I'm sure you can do as well if not best me in this pursuit. Seriously if I had the ability to show you my previous self it was hilariously skinny and underdeveloped
I like watching reaction videos because I like listening to different perspectives and opinions and often times you find value and good insight. I really like your take, very eloquent and well thought out. You seem to have a very broad and diverse view and understanding of the world, lots of wisdom. I hope you do more reaction videos because it’s also good you called out Fit’s insufferably red pill mentality. People need to listen to this and stay away from extreme view points. Wish you the best!
Myron (Fresh & Fit) made the OG video unwatchable for me, so I'm glad you went through it and yea the Black gay fat man was making the best points from what I saw.
he is a sharp guy fr
Dang it's been a while since I've watched you. I really miss the old messy basement gym days. But oh well. People change and life goes on, haha.
Well you may be in luck he recently talked about how the messy gym setup may come back, and he is still doing pretty interesting lifting vlogs
30:30 I actually thought you were North African😂
Seeing NH's face in the corner when greg started speaking was hilarious 😂
if they had my boy NH on the video would have been 4 hours long
I love how the nuances you add to the discussion isnt radical fence sitting. I hate when these discussions are talked about and people recite sentiments of centrism with rhetoric like "both sides are equally bad blah blah" without even having the arguments to justify such claims.
Radical fence sitting sounds like an oxymoron
@ambiguoususername2966 it sounds like an oxymoron until you realize people do it all the time in an effort to appear "even-handed" or "fair "out of sheer cowardice to select a consistent position. People do this on a multitude of topics because if you stand for nothing, you don't have to justify anything that may compromise how others perceive you.
Yeah, but it still sounds like one. I propose we give it another name.
@ambiguoususername2966 haha I'm not the best at naming things. Aggrerssive Fence sitter works just as well, I think.
Performative fence sitting?
I love your propensity to make things very philosophical, NH