The crossover episode we always wanted! This encounter is legendary i'm truly grateful. I have followed the three of you for the quality content you deliver and the admirable intellectual honesty. Thank you for this gem! Best of luck for you and your channels.
Bromley used a good phrase the other day: ‘Cruising altitude of volume’. I think with a bulk you increase your altitude, climb a little, and make the cargo a little heavier.
New to this channel. Big fan of Geoff and NH, so this was an easy click. 15m in, and it's also an easy subscribe for me. You are a really solid interviewer Abel. Your ability to ask solid follow up questions and get people to really clarify exactly what they're trying to say, it's very impressive. Not sure how much interviewing you usually do. I'm sold on the channel regardless. But hope you do more in general, you have a knack for it for sure
that's a big big compliment brother thanks so much! i just need to learn to not ask a question so slowly as if I was shot with a dose of horse-tranqulizer haha! honored you subbed!:)
I listened to this during my morning road trip. Great info on bulking. I’m currently attempting a lean bulk and it’s been tough keeping to a nice moderate rate of weight gain. I tend to overeat.
Aesthetics round table. Many people like myself value aesthetics over everything . . . more than strength and sheer size. I rather look great year around and grow slowly than be in constant bulk and cut cycles and hate the way I look half the year.
For bulking, I find it best viewed as a road map. I started trying to gain muscle at a quite lean 135 lbs (5ft7). And I essentially bulked with some mini cuts all the way up to 160 lbs (20% body fat) over the course of 12 months. I estimate that I gained 12 pounds of muscle in that time. Solid newbie gains. After that point, gains were not entirely linear. And during year 2, I only gained about 6 lbs of muscle. So I reached 168 lbs (20% body fat). For year 3, I will get lean for a few months… but I am confident I could still gain 4-5lbs of muscle in the year… so I calculate that I should spend minimum 5-6 months slowly bulking to reach body weight 172 lbs. For year 4, if I want to try to gain 2-3 lbs of muscle, I should try to reach 178 lbs. I don’t think much of the minutia here matters a lot in terms of specific procedure. But you should have 3 conditions met to reach your goal: 1: consistent nutrition that supports your short term goals (reasonably brief cuts for health/aesthetic, or staying on pace during a bulk) 2: high intensity, progressively overloaded resistance training 3: adherence toward long term goal (i.e reaching your top-range body weight - maybe 20% bf - on schedule that matches your aspired/realistic muscle growth).
This is pure GOLD Due to the help and knowledge of you guys, I have never experienced a plateau in my training and gaining good amount of muscle I personally feel the best at 13% body fat.
1:22:55 I had what Nh has, love handles and I think it relates to health, when your health is worse from being a high bodyfat for a while (unhealthy) you can stabilize your body by either recomping or slow cutting that helps your body composition stabilize to health
Late to this since I've been busy and finally listened to this on my podcast app. Excellent af. Even while I disagree with some of the things NH says, I appreciate him nontheless.
It’s funny how all those guys that packed on a good amount of muscle always say they shouldn’t have bulked like that but I bet that’s where they got their best gains. Not going to do it but I think it’s true I’ve been dabbling in bulking short term 3-4 months and probably 300 cal over maintenance. I’m able to push harder and made some decent gains this year doing that. Put on 2lbs of muscle this year from that. I’m always in the 18/20% body fat usually though. Can’t get below that easily 😢
I've been reading a bit more about bulking. I've read that the newer you are too training the higher your bulk calories can be, since you have newbie gains. As you're more advanced your buying calories shouldn't be too high, as muscle gain is slowed. So I guess it depends on how long you've been training and how much muscle you currently have.
A lot of informed people will actually recommend bulking as a start just to break that plateau of being skinny or underdeveloped (assuming you aren't overweight, then cut instead).
The thing about Arnold contest prepping was that he did lighter weights with supersets, with the intention to workout as fast as possible trying to beat the last workout time. So it was a cardio weight workout to loose fat. Look up sals classic bodybuilding archives, rics corner, Robbie Robinsons channel. And you can learn from the source in how They trained in the 70s Also a sidenote, ric drasin(Arnolds old training partner) mentioned in a video that Arnold rareley trained over 1 h in the offseason and 2h in contest prep. The 3hour training was just for the magazines back then
to be fair I'm often very skeptical about the published workouts of famous bodybuilders, with the exception of Dorian, who has actual training journals published. Otherwise, it could be completely made up for all we know.
@@ssdabel yes i just told you. The published stuff in the magazines was exagerated. Go look up youtube channel ”rics corner” and ”training with arnold” where you can listen to Arnolds old training partner.
NH talks a lot but it is gold. Skinny fat stuff,pre-diabetes from being at the top fat range too long... ect. Smart guys all of them. I learned and reminded myself of a lot of wisdom here. Thanks
When I was younger 1/5 day frequency got me the best actual muscle growth. Now at 40, idk. I’ll have to experiment more. But it’s possible I need slightly higher frequency.
Interesting. In my first few years I trained major muscles 1x every 6-7 days and saw great results. Then many years at 1x every 3.5 days (2x/wk). Now in my 30s I dropped it back to 1x every 4.5 days on average. I think I prefer a slightly lower frequency like this, not too low to sacrifice results, great recovery from hard training.
Wow I just ran into this brutal warmup experience on squats. I decided to do an extra “working set” and it was easy! I probably could have been doing more the last few weeks but I was just running into some uncomfortable warmup sets.
I’ve been lifting for 6 months, (had some calisthenics background so already had a bit of muscle), in the first month I gained 4 kg (maybe this was water weight idk). After that for half a year didn’t gain any weight, even regressed. So I started at 61kg and am now 63 with a height of 178cm. Started to think that there is something wrong with me because of my disability of gaining weight. Have been eating healthy and as much as I can and exercising regularly. High testosterone and low body fat, around 12% (started lifting at similar bf). 22 yrs old now.
Im 39 and people think im in my late to mid 20s on average and are shocked when they hear my actual age. Humans are living longer and aging better and I am one of those people lol
haha thanks! I couldnt quite make NH's left hand (right technically I guess) look non-fucked up because of the background removal, but tried my best haha
I've tried a small lean bulk and I gained a small amount of muscle in a couple months. Nothing to write home about. I'm planning on being more aggressive because I seem to gain muscle very slowly and lose fat and tissue fast.
I think a lot of it was just intuition (which can mislead us) - "close to the goal, therefore I need to push harder". It's like when in the movies the athlete trains the hardest the week before the sporting event (the Rocky movies are a prime example lol)
@@ssdabel do you think there is more gains from doing muscle groups back to back. I used to do antagonist split with chest and back on the same day and I would alternate the exercises chest then back. I notice now that I do chest all in a row I get much more sore. Is it because intensity on the muscle is higher?
It is funny, my bench press loses strength on a bulk but all me incline dumbbell and shoulder presses maintain pretty well. It is just the bench press and squat that suffers for me.
I Totally agree with NH, after my pre-contest i did pretty much what he said about upping the volume during the bulk whenever i felt i had more room to throw more sets here and there. I ran a Arnold split with a range of 10-12 weekly sets at the start, after 8 months i was already up to 20-24 sets
tbh your channel has become one of my favs, love to hear guys like NH and geoff who actually know what they are talking about having a debate/conversation on topics that most lifters care about, thank you so much for making it possible!
So I have a theory that provided you are able to train hard, you feel good, have high energy levels throughout your daily activities, libido remains high & sleep well you should be able to build muscle at nearly any body fat level. If the body is comfortable, functioning at a high level, I see no reason for it to restrict muscle building.
@@shaarrrrr Dialing in health and reducing stress levels become more important the lower the body fat level from my experience, but seems to to be possible.
yeah i think it comes down to the individual. I was an endurance person, normally played football and martial arts thou its weird because even at a small body fat percentage i didn't look frail especially for a dude who moves a lot. I was always a high responder to high volume training
You should do a binge eating round table. I’ve never succeeded at a diet and often find I lose weight when I stop dieting because my relationship with food gets healthier. Of course, I gain weight as I start binging even while eating normal but it’s slower…Sometimes being on a diet I gain weight due to the binging. I’ve tried so many times and so hard and in so many different ways, always failing within three weeks because something happens to my brain when I track food where I just get obsessed over bad shit. At this point I just want to be healthy but I feel like binge eating is not discussed enough because people feel like they should be “strong” enough to control their impulses.
@@davyddocarmocabral2989 a nutritionist who I sent basic pictures of my meals to worked but it ended up being too expensive. I just failed another cut I and I gain wait every time. I swear the only thing that works are small slow changesC exercising,l consistently but not too hard, and strength programs. Looking back, I ballooned to two pounds heavier than the diet except after the first diet. Now my goal is just to try to be healthier, look after my heart and cardio, try to limit binge eating. It’s not the best goal for awesthetics but chasing an ideal physique has left me in the end unhealthy.
@@Ratstick58 You could have underlying anxiety problem. Eating disorders need to be treated by therapy. And did you try eating voluminous meals full of vegetables?
I know it would be a tough challenge but you should try to debunk Eric helms' strenght and muscle pyramid, everyone preaches it but I believe that it's holding back too many people
you think so? curious, which aspects do you feel that about? Some things I do differently than how its said in that book, but I don't think it would really hold someone back. Though not sure at this point what he says about the weight gain aspect, I read the training part mostly.
@@ssdabel he pictures exercise selection as one of the least important things, he exaggerates the importance of progressive overload and says that the most important thing is adherence; he is also very volume - centric But we all know deep down that following a good program inconsistently does better than a religious but ineffective routine
@@nomecognome354 Exercise selection IS one of the least important things. Bench press vs machine chest press, squat vs legpress, lat pulldown vs weighted pullups. You will grow regardless of the exercise as long as high effort and PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD are applied. Progressive overload is FAR from being overexaggerated. Progressive overload is THE MOST important factor because its what validates that youre actually making progress, and drives that progress forward. Without it, you will NOT continue to make gains period. Inconsistency to a good program IS NOT superior to a consistently putting in the work with what people would call a bad program. Consistent exposure to weighlifting itself is going to still net you some progress where no matter how good the program is, if you miss days or dont stick to it with discipline, you will make zero to no progress
@@nomecognome354 You need to study the basics of training, and what consistently produces the best results in people. Progressive overload is extremely important and exercise selection is not. Adherence is critical. This is like you arguing against calories in calories out for fat loss in terms of training. We know what works, and Eric’s material is based off that
This is such a strange stance to take, Eric is incredibly reasonable and his Muscle Pyramid does a phenomenal job at distilling decades of research into applicable advice for the majority of people. Unlike some researchers, he always is very explicit about the shortcomings of research and has the anecdotal experience to back up his claims in the real world. There are plenty of people worth "debunking", but Helms is certainly not one of them.
This conversation was great. A lot of the time minus the occasional dick joke here and there you get these really smart incredibly helpful fitness dudes together and the talk gets dry as Fuck and hard to make through their 1:30 rants, yal had my attention the whole time. Thanks a lot! Good shit
Seems like NH didn't get the memo about the dresscode :D
GVS and NH in the same video? this is gonna be a worthy watch
hope you'll like it!
Geoff is cutting and not watching bulking related content.
Also Geoff:
Hearing NH discuss cutting milk out of his diet and then seeing Geoff's facial expression 🤣
1:25:33
@@snowiblind Thats the face almost of like an older brother laughing at a younger brother because he relates to the struggle HAHAA love it!
Cow milk is nasty but if you mean products using cow milk yeah it’s hard
Cow milk is amazing
@@KurokamiNajimi yeah man, bro's milk directly out of the tap is the way to go.
Hearing children try and call people in their 30's "old" makes me detest zoomers.
ALRIGHT! 🎉
Thanks for bringing on NH & Geoffrey! It’s gonna be a super informative 100 minutes 🤓😅🙌
You guys are the best! 👊
The crossover episode we always wanted! This encounter is legendary i'm truly grateful. I have followed the three of you for the quality content you deliver and the admirable intellectual honesty. Thank you for this gem! Best of luck for you and your channels.
thank you so much brother, very kind of you to say all that - hope you enjoyed the episode!
Bromley used a good phrase the other day: ‘Cruising altitude of volume’. I think with a bulk you increase your altitude, climb a little, and make the cargo a little heavier.
People talk about epic crossovers. This.This is the one.
🙏hope it will live up to the promise💪
This one right here
Going to watch this in full when I get up tomorrow morning, as this should be a good discussion.
hope you'll enjoy it!
New to this channel. Big fan of Geoff and NH, so this was an easy click.
15m in, and it's also an easy subscribe for me.
You are a really solid interviewer Abel. Your ability to ask solid follow up questions and get people to really clarify exactly what they're trying to say, it's very impressive.
Not sure how much interviewing you usually do. I'm sold on the channel regardless. But hope you do more in general, you have a knack for it for sure
that's a big big compliment brother thanks so much! i just need to learn to not ask a question so slowly as if I was shot with a dose of horse-tranqulizer haha! honored you subbed!:)
@@ssdabel haha, it didn't sound that slow to me. Just thought you were being very thoughtful with your choice of words. Anyhow keep up the great work
I listened to this during my morning road trip. Great info on bulking. I’m currently attempting a lean bulk and it’s been tough keeping to a nice moderate rate of weight gain. I tend to overeat.
Bro tip: just get an intense manual labor job while trying to dirty bulk and lift = super slow bulk with minimal fat gain
Man...aint that true
Or just eat clean and lean bulk instead.. your insides will still hate you for eating junk lol
Aesthetics round table. Many people like myself value aesthetics over everything . . . more than strength and sheer size. I rather look great year around and grow slowly than be in constant bulk and cut cycles and hate the way I look half the year.
29:28 the helicopter game. That's exactly how I feel with training volume
just goes to show how individualized the approach should be while working within the boundaries of universal principles.
I’ve been thinking about it non-stop, but now I remember! @30:10 You mean FLAPPY BIRD! 😅😅😅
For bulking, I find it best viewed as a road map. I started trying to gain muscle at a quite lean 135 lbs (5ft7). And I essentially bulked with some mini cuts all the way up to 160 lbs (20% body fat) over the course of 12 months. I estimate that I gained 12 pounds of muscle in that time. Solid newbie gains. After that point, gains were not entirely linear. And during year 2, I only gained about 6 lbs of muscle. So I reached 168 lbs (20% body fat). For year 3, I will get lean for a few months… but I am confident I could still gain 4-5lbs of muscle in the year… so I calculate that I should spend minimum 5-6 months slowly bulking to reach body weight 172 lbs. For year 4, if I want to try to gain 2-3 lbs of muscle, I should try to reach 178 lbs.
I don’t think much of the minutia here matters a lot in terms of specific procedure. But you should have 3 conditions met to reach your goal:
1: consistent nutrition that supports your short term goals (reasonably brief cuts for health/aesthetic, or staying on pace during a bulk)
2: high intensity, progressively overloaded resistance training
3: adherence toward long term goal (i.e reaching your top-range body weight - maybe 20% bf - on schedule that matches your aspired/realistic muscle growth).
This is going to be a good one fellas
hope you'll dig it!
This is pure GOLD
Due to the help and knowledge of you guys, I have never experienced a plateau in my training and gaining good amount of muscle
I personally feel the best at 13% body fat.
1:22:55 I had what Nh has, love handles and I think it relates to health, when your health is worse from being a high bodyfat for a while (unhealthy) you can stabilize your body by either recomping or slow cutting that helps your body composition stabilize to health
I agree with the jacked bearded dude in the navy blue shirt.
hehehe😁
54:25 some people also just want to have one wardrobe; I have no idea how y'all buy clothes
Cutting roundtable soon?
So fat rn, watching this totally food preggnant
Good video but I kinda feel bad for Geoff 😭, kinda felt like mostly NH was receiving questions
I know what you mean but I think its because I had more followups, as in some cases I wasn't sure at first what he meant.
Late to this since I've been busy and finally listened to this on my podcast app. Excellent af. Even while I disagree with some of the things NH says, I appreciate him nontheless.
Looking forward to this one
hope youll like it!
It’s funny how all those guys that packed on a good amount of muscle always say they shouldn’t have bulked like that but I bet that’s where they got their best gains. Not going to do it but I think it’s true
I’ve been dabbling in bulking short term 3-4 months and probably 300 cal over maintenance. I’m able to push harder and made some decent gains this year doing that. Put on 2lbs of muscle this year from that. I’m always in the 18/20% body fat usually though. Can’t get below that easily 😢
I've been reading a bit more about bulking. I've read that the newer you are too training the higher your bulk calories can be, since you have newbie gains.
As you're more advanced your buying calories shouldn't be too high, as muscle gain is slowed.
So I guess it depends on how long you've been training and how much muscle you currently have.
A lot of informed people will actually recommend bulking as a start just to break that plateau of being skinny or underdeveloped (assuming you aren't overweight, then cut instead).
often true, yep. best of luck with your bulking journey!
@@Sjcstro84 I haven’t thought about that but I think you may be on to something. 👍
I dirty bulked as a beginner and had to cut 60 lbs to get to 14%, don't even regret it. It's a lot easier to lose fat than build muscle.
Dave Maconi missing the show ;)
just wait n see:)
As I was watching this I zoned out a little and as I stared at NH while he spoke, he started to look like Lord Farquaad.
haha - definitely taller though :'D
Jesus guys! I’m fucking 72! You have got to be kidding me! Just wait!
haha what are you referring to now?
The thing about Arnold contest prepping was that he did lighter weights with supersets, with the intention to workout as fast as possible trying to beat the last workout time. So it was a cardio weight workout to loose fat.
Look up sals classic bodybuilding archives, rics corner, Robbie Robinsons channel. And you can learn from the source in how They trained in the 70s
Also a sidenote, ric drasin(Arnolds old training partner) mentioned in a video that Arnold rareley trained over 1 h in the offseason and 2h in contest prep.
The 3hour training was just for the magazines back then
to be fair I'm often very skeptical about the published workouts of famous bodybuilders, with the exception of Dorian, who has actual training journals published. Otherwise, it could be completely made up for all we know.
@@ssdabel yes i just told you. The published stuff in the magazines was exagerated. Go look up youtube channel ”rics corner” and ”training with arnold” where you can listen to Arnolds old training partner.
1:15:52 I think I have done the work and studied it. It took three bulks/cuts
Watching this while eating a pound of pasta (dry weight.) Let’s get these gains 💪
@user0178 now eating whole pizzas I can get behind (saying this at 6'2" 170 lbs lol)
haha, nice one! eat it slowly though, don't hurt yourself :'D
33 is so damn young lol
The widow maker squats on a bulk is great pal
NH talks a lot but it is gold. Skinny fat stuff,pre-diabetes from being at the top fat range too long... ect. Smart guys all of them. I learned and reminded myself of a lot of wisdom here. Thanks
Why NH and Geofrey are so close on yt to each other?
Great suggestion: bulk should correlate to increased volume. Went from 180 to 190 in 4 months.
Abel, you mentioned wearing a sleeping mask, do you have sleep apnoea?
nah, just blocking light to sleep better
@@ssdabel Oh, I see. Thanks!
This French dude talks way too much
Great video and discussion overall. Definitely something that should be a common podcast
Why do none of you guys ever mention Andy Morgan ever?
because he's a nobody
46:10 who's Dave?
Edit: saw other comment reply, thanks.
When I was younger 1/5 day frequency got me the best actual muscle growth. Now at 40, idk. I’ll have to experiment more. But it’s possible I need slightly higher frequency.
Interesting. In my first few years I trained major muscles 1x every 6-7 days and saw great results. Then many years at 1x every 3.5 days (2x/wk). Now in my 30s I dropped it back to 1x every 4.5 days on average. I think I prefer a slightly lower frequency like this, not too low to sacrifice results, great recovery from hard training.
@@Latissimus65 it really does seem like frequency can have a very large impact
Wow I just ran into this brutal warmup experience on squats. I decided to do an extra “working set” and it was easy! I probably could have been doing more the last few weeks but I was just running into some uncomfortable warmup sets.
Let's wear the same t-shirt ..
heheh. Geoff's is a v-neck tho.
I’ve been lifting for 6 months, (had some calisthenics background so already had a bit of muscle), in the first month I gained 4 kg (maybe this was water weight idk). After that for half a year didn’t gain any weight, even regressed. So I started at 61kg and am now 63 with a height of 178cm. Started to think that there is something wrong with me because of my disability of gaining weight. Have been eating healthy and as much as I can and exercising regularly. High testosterone and low body fat, around 12% (started lifting at similar bf). 22 yrs old now.
Im 39 and people think im in my late to mid 20s on average and are shocked when they hear my actual age. Humans are living longer and aging better and I am one of those people lol
The best trio ❤
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Accurately track Cals and measure everything, added 300 cals to my diet, gained 10 pounds in 2 weeks I don’t get ut
Loved the thumbnail!
haha thanks! I couldnt quite make NH's left hand (right technically I guess) look non-fucked up because of the background removal, but tried my best haha
Didnt even notice it until you said it lol!
Super interesting chat thank you gents
Glad you enjoyed it!🙏
I’m unsubscribing from /r/gainit
haha whats there?
my coach back at it again with the best podcast to listen to while crushing my steps 👊
thanks Sir, don't get your feet to sore, you have no fat-padding there anymore ;)
Interrupting my regularly scheduled routine for this one ☝️
hope it'll be worth it! :D
I'm rewatching this piece of gold like fifth time
Every time NH talks Geoff looks like he wants to jump in and respond to what he's saying but never does.
What do you think of maintenance workload/volume while cutting and then obviously musclebuilding volume while bulking?
I've tried a small lean bulk and I gained a small amount of muscle in a couple months. Nothing to write home about. I'm planning on being more aggressive because I seem to gain muscle very slowly and lose fat and tissue fast.
how to do a conservative/ Small lean bulk?
Great conversation. Just one off-topic random question. SSD Abel are you Scandinavian?
Good stuff
🙏💪
The golden era bodybuilders did more volume close to the show because they didn’t do cardio.
I think a lot of it was just intuition (which can mislead us) - "close to the goal, therefore I need to push harder". It's like when in the movies the athlete trains the hardest the week before the sporting event (the Rocky movies are a prime example lol)
@@ssdabel do you think there is more gains from doing muscle groups back to back. I used to do antagonist split with chest and back on the same day and I would alternate the exercises chest then back. I notice now that I do chest all in a row I get much more sore. Is it because intensity on the muscle is higher?
It is funny, my bench press loses strength on a bulk but all me incline dumbbell and shoulder presses maintain pretty well. It is just the bench press and squat that suffers for me.
I just chase quality hard sets and weight and keep pushing. Then kinda deload back off slightly and do it again.
I personally feel terrible after 16 percent
Let's go!!
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I Totally agree with NH, after my pre-contest i did pretty much what he said about upping the volume during the bulk whenever i felt i had more room to throw more sets here and there.
I ran a Arnold split with a range of 10-12 weekly sets at the start, after 8 months i was already up to 20-24 sets
tbh your channel has become one of my favs, love to hear guys like NH and geoff who actually know what they are talking about having a debate/conversation on topics that most lifters care about, thank you so much for making it possible!
thanks a lot for tuning in and for the kind words, hope it was informative!
great getting to see all these goats sharing their perspectives and philosophies
Why are you FrenchFrench? Lol hilarious
So I have a theory that provided you are able to train hard, you feel good, have high energy levels throughout your daily activities, libido remains high & sleep well you should be able to build muscle at nearly any body fat level.
If the body is comfortable, functioning at a high level, I see no reason for it to restrict muscle building.
that's the point, it usually doesn't happen at a low bf%
@@shaarrrrr
Dialing in health and reducing stress levels become more important the lower the body fat level from my experience, but seems to to be possible.
i think those are good indications indeed. I said the same thing actually in a followup podcast (will be out on another channel soon :))
@@ssdabel
I look forward to the future podcast, be sure to notify so we don’t miss it 👍
@@shaarrrrr can it work at 10%
I am a HIT man but it's always interesting to see the high volume people's perspective
yeah i think it comes down to the individual. I was an endurance person, normally played football and martial arts thou its weird because even at a small body fat percentage i didn't look frail especially for a dude who moves a lot. I was always a high responder to high volume training
I wanna see these love handles NH is going on about
Revival fitness will be having absolute kittens watching this.
great discusion guys!
thanks brother, glad you liked it!
Ssd "what's the ideal rate of weight gain" Abel
Epic.
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You should do a binge eating round table. I’ve never succeeded at a diet and often find I lose weight when I stop dieting because my relationship with food gets healthier. Of course, I gain weight as I start binging even while eating normal but it’s slower…Sometimes being on a diet I gain weight due to the binging.
I’ve tried so many times and so hard and in so many different ways, always failing within three weeks because something happens to my brain when I track food where I just get obsessed over bad shit.
At this point I just want to be healthy but I feel like binge eating is not discussed enough because people feel like they should be “strong” enough to control their impulses.
Did you try seeing a professional psycho therapist?
@@davyddocarmocabral2989 a nutritionist who I sent basic pictures of my meals to worked but it ended up being too expensive.
I just failed another cut I and I gain wait every time. I swear the only thing that works are small slow changesC exercising,l consistently but not too hard, and strength programs.
Looking back, I ballooned to two pounds heavier than the diet except after the first diet.
Now my goal is just to try to be healthier, look after my heart and cardio, try to limit binge eating. It’s not the best goal for awesthetics but chasing an ideal physique has left me in the end unhealthy.
@@Ratstick58 You could have underlying anxiety problem. Eating disorders need to be treated by therapy. And did you try eating voluminous meals full of vegetables?
I know it would be a tough challenge but you should try to debunk Eric helms' strenght and muscle pyramid, everyone preaches it but I believe that it's holding back too many people
you think so? curious, which aspects do you feel that about? Some things I do differently than how its said in that book, but I don't think it would really hold someone back. Though not sure at this point what he says about the weight gain aspect, I read the training part mostly.
@@ssdabel he pictures exercise selection as one of the least important things, he exaggerates the importance of progressive overload and says that the most important thing is adherence; he is also very volume - centric
But we all know deep down that following a good program inconsistently does better than a religious but ineffective routine
@@nomecognome354 Exercise selection IS one of the least important things. Bench press vs machine chest press, squat vs legpress, lat pulldown vs weighted pullups. You will grow regardless of the exercise as long as high effort and PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD are applied.
Progressive overload is FAR from being overexaggerated. Progressive overload is THE MOST important factor because its what validates that youre actually making progress, and drives that progress forward. Without it, you will NOT continue to make gains period.
Inconsistency to a good program IS NOT superior to a consistently putting in the work with what people would call a bad program. Consistent exposure to weighlifting itself is going to still net you some progress where no matter how good the program is, if you miss days or dont stick to it with discipline, you will make zero to no progress
@@nomecognome354 You need to study the basics of training, and what consistently produces the best results in people. Progressive overload is extremely important and exercise selection is not. Adherence is critical.
This is like you arguing against calories in calories out for fat loss in terms of training. We know what works, and Eric’s material is based off that
This is such a strange stance to take, Eric is incredibly reasonable and his Muscle Pyramid does a phenomenal job at distilling decades of research into applicable advice for the majority of people. Unlike some researchers, he always is very explicit about the shortcomings of research and has the anecdotal experience to back up his claims in the real world. There are plenty of people worth "debunking", but Helms is certainly not one of them.
These guys look like brothers
When NH speaks, people listen.
This was great...finally finished this over a period of 4 days. Well worth it
Tribune of the Gods
Great podcast boys! 🙌
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My three favorite UA-camrs in one Podcast!
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damn, I just discovered this channel. Abel seems like a really nice guy.
🙏🙏honored!
YOOOO this is great content love this collab!
This conversation was great. A lot of the time minus the occasional dick joke here and there you get these really smart incredibly helpful fitness dudes together and the talk gets dry as Fuck and hard to make through their 1:30 rants, yal had my attention the whole time. Thanks a lot! Good shit
haha thank you! i dont rant much, just am somehow annoyingly slow sometimes, i cringe when i listen to it afterwards
Nice discussion, lots of useful information.
47:44 LOL
epic
oyyy💪
The 3 wise men
55:30
Great discussion.
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100% one of the best videos I’ve seen
Bros! Hyped to listen to y’all talk fitness
Hey do you see any improvements from your partial experiment?
hope you'll like it!:)
Love it.