Paul's View of the End of Days Abandoned by the Church
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Paul's idea of Jesus as the firstborn of many future immortalized "Offspring" of God, and that the Cosmos itself would be "saved" with completed reconciliation of ALL Things--what Paul calls the TELOS--was too much for a Church bent on a Eternal Heaven or Hell Theology!
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1:54 _"...because I know some of you like to dig into these things."_
Yes. Yes we do.
Amern. Praise God for his grace through the shed blood of Jesus the Messiah. Without it, there would be no freedom from condemnation, no assurance that we are of the family of God.
Let us then be found walking in the Spirit with gratitude and humility, bearing the Spirit's fruit, and following Jesus' commands for love and good works, conducting his business with the minas we have been given.
Maranatha.
I love him😊 I just wanted to say hello 👋 too.
Hi Paul, nice to see you.
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 1, pp. 208, 209) states:
“PAROUSIA . . . denotes both an arrival and the consequent presence with. For example, in a papyrus letter [written in Greek] a lady speaks of the necessity of her parousia at a certain place in order to attend to matters relating to her property there. . . . When used of Christ’s return at the rapture of the church, it signifies not merely His momentary coming for His saints, but His presence with them from that time until His revelation and manifestation to the world.”
Liddell and Scott’s Greek - English Lexicon (revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, p. 1343) shows that pa·rou·siʹa is sometimes used in secular Greek literature to refer to “the visit of a royal or official personage.”
Secular Greek writings, of course, are helpful in determining the meaning of this Greek term. Even more effective, however, is how the Bible itself uses the word. At Philippians 2:12, for example, Paul speaks of the Philippian Christians as obeying “not only during my presence [pa rou siʹai], but now much more readily during my absence [a pou siʹai].” Likewise, at 2 Corinthians 10:10, 11, after referring to those who said that “their letters are weighty and powerful, but their presence [pa rou siʹa] in person is weak and their speech contemptible,” Paul adds: “Let such a man consider this, that what we are in our speech by letters when absent [a poʹn tes], we shall also be in action when present [pa ronʹtes].” (See also Phil 1:24-27.) Thus the contrast at issue is between presence and absence, not between arrival (or coming) and departure.
In view of this, J. B. Rotherham's Emphasized Bible states in its appendix (p. 271):
“In this edition the word parousia is uniformly translated ‘presence’ (‘coming,’ as representing this word, being rejected). . . . The sense of ‘presence’ is so clearly [indicated] by the contrast with ‘absence’ . . . that the question naturally arises, - Why not always translate it thus?”
It is interesting that in his previous translation J. B. Rotherham had translated the word PAROUSIA as “coming” however, he later changed the meaning after more careful research and detachment from tradition and by translating in a dispassionate way, following closely the Greek text. He realized that the word PAROUSIA has the specific meaning of PRESENCE and not COMING.
He explains that the parousia of Christ can be not only an event but also “a period-more or less extended, during which certain things must happen.” This is lost on those who do not observe the usual use of this word in Scripture. Undoubtedly, Rotherham was influenced in his thinking on this subject by his more thorough research on the subject.
Other nineteenth-century translators who used “presence” for parousia in Matthew chapter twenty-four were W. B. Crickmer (The Greek Testament Englished, 1881), J. W. Hanson (The New Covenant, 1884), and Ferrar Fenton, who began publishing the first parts of his translation, The Bible in Modern English, in 1880.
In our century translations which render parousia as “presence” in Matthew chapter twenty-four are A. E. Knoch’s A Concordant Version (1926), Ivan Panin’s Bible Numerics (2nd ed., 1935), the Watch Tower Society’s New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures (1950), James L. Tomanek’s New Testament (1958), the Restoration of the Original Holy Name Bible (1968), Donald Klingensmith’s Today’s English New Testament (1972), and Dr. Dymond’s New Testament (1972; in manuscript form only). Other translations sometimes give “presence” as the literal meaning of parousia in footnotes, but because of traditional custom and following earlier versions they have rendered PAROUSIA as “coming,” “arrival” (or other such expressions) in the main text.
G. Abbott-Smith, Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1964) p. 347.
“ Parousia” -1. Customarily to be present, presence. 2. A coming, arrival, advent. A technical term for the visit of a King.”
Are you one of Jehovah's witnesses?
Yes. Paul thought Jesus Christ was coming back in his lifetime.
No Paul did not......Paul knew that we are reincarnated and that he would be here at the second coming .
Yahweh Jehovah bless us all. *Yeshua Hamashiach is come in the flesh*
Saint Paul's writings do contain references to the end times and the second coming of Christ, but he didn't specifically predict a particular date or time frame for the end of the world.
However, there are a few passages in Paul's letters that have been interpreted as referencing the end times, such as:
1. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18: Paul writes about the second coming of Christ and the resurrection of the dead.
2. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12: Paul warns against false teachings about the day of the Lord and emphasizes that it will not come until certain events occur.
The Catholic Church has not abandoned these teachings, but rather has interpreted them within the context of Catholic eschatology.
The Church teaches that the end times will come, but the exact timing is unknown (Matthew 24:36). The focus is on living a life of faith, hope, and charity, rather than speculating about specific dates or times.
So, while Saint Paul's writings do contain references to the end times, the Catholic Church has not abandoned these teachings, but rather has integrated them into its broader understanding of eschatology.
I think it’s time for civilization to move beyond Paul and beyond Christianity. Paul has lead to where we are now, oligarchs and despots, all justified through belief in a metamorphosis. The only thing that matters now is finding the historical Jesus, and I think it can be achieved. We just start by looking at Acts 21 as a historical event of James the brother of Jesus, and leader of the circumcision party and the Ebionites, ensnaring Hermes. 😎
Everybody was waiting for Jesus return in the first century but did he really come ? If yes HOW ?
Your channel came up like I'm interested in studying Christianity. 😂 I'm interested in BEING Christian!
Jesus and John were speaking FOR the Father. The 2nd "coming" is the teturn of the Spirit of TRUTH in the day of affliction, that reveals all thats been hidden especially to the gentile church. Jer 16:19-21 in hebrew. There will never be a man show up called Jesus. The Spirit of the Father teturns to gather in the sheep in the resurrection of the 3,rd day. Hosea 6:2. The only christ that will show up is the christ IN YOU. The power and wisdom of YHWH made flesh IN YOU.
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@michaelsmith9453 i know. A LOT of shocked and deceived people gonna make that same face on judgement day because they never read the OT more than once.
@michaelsmith9453 I know, that look gonna be prevelent on judgement day.
The "Spirit of Truth" IS Jesus.......this is why He said that He MUST go away in John chapter 14,
so that He could come again as the "Spirit of Truth" .
And He comes again ..."IN"..... another flesh and blood human......another "son of man",
as He says in John chapter 16 .
This coming son of man is called the "Lamb" in the book of Revelation.
I would read Peter 1:20-21 and think.
When Jesus was asked when would be the end of days he said he didn't know, only the Father in Heaven knows. Is this Paul contradicting the teaching of Jesus yet again ?
No one knows the last moment of this universe except God. The last moment will come like a glimpse of an eye, and everything will shatter. Assume a glass is dropped by your hands on the floor, and it shatters. All planets and Universe is performing according to His decree. When He will order them, STOP; all will shatter
It "may" be the end of days was the transition in the heavens from Sun in Aries at the Spring Equinox to Sun in Pisces during New Testament times. I'm pretty convinced celestial metaphor is baked in but I'm not one to argue it's all there is. John of Patmos was an Astrologer (which was an astronomer back then) and Revelation is heavily and obviously celestial in nature more than any other book...others to one degree or another.
Wasn't Saul of Tarsus the first false prophet/apostle? And why did he change his name to Paul? Paul means "small" and he is the one who abolished the Law of Moses. Beware Christians for the Bible says in Matthew 5:19: "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least/smallest in the kingdom of heaven." In the greek original, "elachistos" means : least, smallest, very little. Do you think this is a coincidence?
Paul even told you in 2 Timothy 2:8-9 that he is indeed the antichrist : "This is my gospel, for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal."
Also we know that the antichrist will be one-eyed so was Paul.
The Quran’s critique of the Trinity is embedded in the context of its interaction with early Christian theological developments. To understand this critique fully, it’s important to consider the historical and doctrinal environment in which the Quran was revealed, particularly the state of Christian thought around the 7th century.
### 1. **Early Christian Views on the Trinity**
When Islam emerged in the 7th century, Christianity had already been established as a dominant religion throughout the Byzantine Empire and other regions. However, the doctrine of the Trinity had not yet reached the fully settled, orthodox form that we recognize today. The early Christian views on the nature of Christ and the relationship between God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit were still being debated.
For instance:
- **Arianism**: One of the significant theological disputes in early Christianity was Arianism, which was popular in the 4th century. Arians believed that Jesus, the Son of God, was created by God the Father and thus was not co-eternal or of the same essence as God. This was rejected by the Nicene Creed, which formalized the belief that Jesus was "of one essence" (homoousios) with the Father.
- **Sabellianism**: Another view that was discussed in early Christian theology was Sabellianism, which posited that God manifested Himself in three modes or forms-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit-rather than three distinct persons. This view was later considered heretical.
- **Nicene Christianity**: By the time the Quran was revealed, the Nicene Creed (325 CE) had been adopted as the orthodox understanding of the Trinity. The Nicene Creed declares that the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons but of one substance (consubstantial). However, this doctrine was still evolving in terms of how it was understood by different Christian communities.
### 2. **The Quran’s Critique in Context**
The Quranic critique of the Trinity seems to focus more on the understanding of God that was prevalent in certain Christian communities at the time, rather than the more formalized Nicene Trinity that would later become dominant. For instance, the Quran directly challenges the notion of **God having a son** and **God being divided into three persons**, which was a more common or misunderstood interpretation of the Christian God during that time. The Quran’s rejection of the Trinity emphasizes **Tawhid**, the absolute oneness of God, which is central to Islamic belief.
In Surah 4:171, the Quran says, **"Do not say 'Three'..."** This could reflect the misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity in some contexts-possibly referring to earlier beliefs or misconceptions, such as those attributed to groups like the **Nestorians** (who emphasized a dual nature of Christ) or **Monophysites** (who believed Christ had only one divine nature).
By urging Christians to **desist from saying "Three"**, the Quran is stressing the absolute unity of God and rejecting any division in His essence. The emphasis on **Jesus as a messenger** rather than a divine figure also challenges the evolving Christian belief in the divinity of Christ, which was central to the doctrine of the Trinity.
### 3. **Theological Implications**
The Quran's critique of the Trinity and the divinity of Christ was a response to what it saw as a distortion of the original message of monotheism that was brought by previous prophets, including Jesus. In Islamic thought, **Jesus (Isa)** is considered a prophet and a servant of God, not God incarnate or part of a divine triad.
Some Islamic scholars interpret the Quran's critique as addressing the **deification of Jesus**, which they believe emerged after the time of Jesus himself. The Quran maintains that Jesus never claimed divinity and consistently calls for worship of the one true God. This reflects a fundamental divergence in the understanding of Jesus' nature between Christianity and Islam.
### 4. **Historical Context of the 7th Century**
When the Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the 7th century, Christianity was already well-established, and various Christian sects had differing theological views. The **Byzantine Empire** (Eastern Roman Empire) was predominantly **Chalcedonian** (following the Council of Chalcedon in 451 CE), which affirmed that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human, while other groups like the **Nestorians** and **Monophysites** held different beliefs about Christ's nature.
The **Arabian Peninsula** at the time had Christian communities, primarily of the **Nestorian** and **Monophysite** traditions, but these were not unified in their theological positions. Muhammad's revelations, therefore, had to contend with a variety of Christian beliefs, and the Quran's critique of the Trinity may reflect some of the common misunderstandings or deviations from mainstream Christian thought that existed at the time.
### 5. **Islamic View of the Trinity**
In Islam, God (Allah) is considered to be absolutely one and indivisible. The belief in the Trinity, as understood in Christian theology, is seen as a violation of **Tawhid**, the Islamic doctrine of God's singularity. The Quran emphasizes that God has no partners, no children, and no equals, which is clearly reflected in verses such as:
- **Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:1-4)**:
*"Say, 'He is Allah, [Who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.'"*
This verse highlights the Islamic rejection of any notion of God having a son or being born.
- **Surah An-Nisa (4:171)**:
As already mentioned, this verse critiques the Christian understanding of God’s nature and asserts that Jesus is a prophet, not a divine figure.
In sum, the Quran’s critique of the Trinity is not just a rejection of a specific doctrine but is part of a broader theological assertion of God’s absolute unity. The Quran argues that any concept of God that divides His essence or associates Him with other beings, such as in the case of the Trinity, is incompatible with the concept of **Tawhid**.
### 6. **Modern Perspectives**
Contemporary scholars, including those like Dr. David Bertaina, often explore how these Quranic critiques align with the historical Christian debates about the nature of God and Christ. Some argue that the Quran’s critique might be addressing earlier, perhaps heretical or unorthodox, Christian views that were prevalent at the time, while others suggest that it reflects an ongoing theological dispute between Islam and Christianity over the nature of God.
Dr. Bertaina and other scholars may also note the **historical context** of the Quranic revelations, showing how Muhammad’s interactions with various Christian communities could have shaped the Quran’s engagement with Christian theology.
NONE of you people....."Christians" or "scholars" (so called)....
will ever understand the scriptures without the truth of REINCARNATION
that has been hidden from you .
Most, if not all of the saints of old, are HERE today .
The Bible teaches reincarnation......see Job 33:29-30 for example .
Jesus taught reincarnation as Judaism did then and as Judaism still does to this day .
The first true "church" taught reincarnation until the false Roman Church (antichrist)
outlawed the teaching at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 AD .
" If in this life only we have hope in Christ we are of all men most miserable ." ( 1 Corinthians 15:19 )
Never liked Paul or Nero
ROMAN STOICISM IS NOT THE SAME AS HELLENISTIC STOICISM.
Christianity before and after jesus different that it was jesus time when essens helped poors
I hear some say he's a flip flopper. Justsaying
False prophet methinks.😏
Roger Parvus called Paul the zig-zag man.
Horrible video. Horrible. Instead of being focused on the point the title implies, you're all over the place half the time - usually focusing on generalized references about Christ return. If you want people to dedicate 50 minutes of their lives to you, you need to be a lot more succinct.