Doubting in a Mormon Marriage: Summur-Rayn Berrett Pt. 2 | Ep. 1888
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Just when you thought Summur's faith transition couldn't get any more intense, buckle up for a mind-blowing ride in part 2. From uncovering disturbing details in the Gospel Topics Essays that left her questioning everything she knew, to grappling with the church's dishonesty about its history and finances, to watching her oldest daughter develop scrupulosity, Summur holds nothing back. Her brutally honest account of deconstructing her lifelong beliefs is equal parts heartbreaking and empowering. You'll be on the edge of your seat as she navigates the challenges of a mixed-faith marriage, learning how to have open and loving discussions despite diverging worldviews. Summur's raw vulnerability and unrelenting search for truth and meaning will leave you reflecting on your own spiritual journey long after the interview ends.
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:04:20 They were asked to be temple workers
00:09:40 She wanted to make sure her kids were raised the way she was
00:22:55 Tim Ballard and the Haiti orphanage
00:26:48 The biggest schism happened during her father’s campaign
00:31:45 Seeing the corporate side of the Church vs the Gospel side
00:36:15 She met with someone from Church headquarters
00:46:00 Looking at the essays again after little controversies
00:53:45 Summary of Book of Abraham issues
01:05:00 Anachronisms in the Book of Mormon
01:44:00 Mixed faith marriage advice
01:55:00 Managing the children’s experiences
02:09:00 God is not a transactional God, God is love
02:14:00 Political messaging is designed to dehumanize the other side.
02:25:15 Everyone has divinity within themselves
02:26:30 Being comfortable with not knowing
02:31:00 Dealing with death
02:34:00 The idea that mother’s love is less powerful than priesthood
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I agree with Margie! John's memory is ASTOUNDING!!!! I love how Margie stops to celebrate things that so many of us don't bring to consciousness. I LOVE Mormon Stories! ❤️
Yes!! She’s my favorite because she’s so sweet and caring to everyone ❤
I think this ability of John is part of what makes him a top notch interviewer. It truly is amazing. It’s the memory combined with his communication style - both amazing.
Agreed! 💯
So good to see you break away from the LDS doctrine. Please keep your positive progress. So sad the family around you is is still “in the dark” but love your smile and I hope it continues to be shared!!
Wonderful to see this spirit of acceptance, respect and space for others who think differently than you do. Also sad to see narrow-minded and intolerance continue in the responses but hopefully, this number will decrease and/or become less dogmatic. Congratulations on this discussion (from an ex-Catholic)
Summur seems like a genuine person and someone you’d want to have in your circle.
This is one of best episodes I’ve seen. This is a lovely lady and one who’s personal integrity is obvious
This was one of the best Mormon Stories EVER! It was so different and how people should be raised with unconditional love!!!! I was raised an atheist and a democrat within the Unitarian Universalist community in the Deep South….but was raised with total unconditional love and the most moral and honest parents. Who shared service, compassion, respect and love for all people in the world. And I was born into a privileged family but was taught that life isn’t fair and I got lucky it was nothing I did. And back in the early 80s when I was 3 and 4 my parents were teaching me about Martin Luther King Jr and his speech about one day he hopes his children will live in a world where they are judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Any group that others people is a bad group to be in. But standing up for freedoms and rights and equality is important for all people bc as a white man my dad told me the only people in America that never had to fight for a right is white men. Let that sink in.
Love Summer’s interview!!!
Thank u John and Margie always great!!! Love to u all!❤
Summur, I relate so much to what you said about being bothered by the lies and deceit. That is still the hardest thing for me, due to the immense harm caused to me because of my parents devotion to a dogma that influenced all of their decisions, many which harmed me.
Learning just how deceitful the leaders have been while encouraging us to be honest in all we do has made me livid. Livid.
Also, I’m impressed by your emotional intelligence and empathy for other people. And the “ask me in 5 years” comment was SO real. You’re sharing what you know right now, and you’re insightful enough to realize that your perspectives are subject to change via growth.
When I got to meet some of my Dads family on the Rez, some refused to talk me knowing I came from Utah. They were scared of me and I didn’t get it at that time. Now I get it.
I like Margie’s comment regarding Sumer not telling her husband about losing her faith in the LDS church; it seems like a practical approach, for now……
I am like John; it would be impossible for me to keep that side of my life a secret.
I hope their marriage remains united
@@suem6004she doesn’t sound like she’s being deceptive. She sounds like she’s being really thoughtful and sensitive to her husband and I think that’s really admirable.
It’s “not of god” is really not something you can know. It may be something you believe and that’s fine, but others believe with all their hearts (me included) that the lds church is about as far away from any good god that might exist a group can be.
My beliefs are just as valid as yours. My strong feelings are just as valid as yours.
And the absolute truth is that I was more into the church than anyone! It was my life for 35 years. Everything I did was about the church…then I learned for myself that it is corrupt.
Fascinating, thought-provoking episodes (Part 1+2)! So refreshing to listen to Summur, Margie, and John interact with so much love, and open-mindedness, and approach also difficult topics, such as a mixed-faith marriage. Summur's comment on "God is pure love and not a transactional God" touched my very soul! Thank you all for making this interview possible!!
I am also in the same situation with my faith crisis and marriage. It’s such a difficult walk to walk for me… hearing you speak about your experiences gives me a little relief to know others are going through the same thing. I can’t talk to my spouse about my reasons of my faith crisis. I can’t pop that precious bubble he is in, I can’t. It was so painful when mine popped…
Same for me too
Same for me as a former Church of Christ member.
Summur is so refreshing.
AMEN
Forecast - It will be Summur all year long!!😇🥰😍😆
It's something I'm working really hard on post-deconstruction. Not telling believers about the man behind the curtain. Oh, Lord! It's insanely difficult, lonely, and isolating but I'm trying to respect the fact that people don't want to know and aren't ready. Did I mention how hard and isolating it is?
Yes! I’m a former Church of Christ. My husband, family and some friends still believe. I just listen and nod and don’t say anything. Fortunately, my husband doesn’t attend church, so there’s no separation there. Thank heaven for places like this!
Hi Summur, not sure if you remember me, but I was in d'town ward with you. Great to see you here, on the other side. Btw: I remember your father and your family with the highest regard.
Summur, I can see your amazing spirit and the light in your eyes! I wanted to tell you something though, that not telling your husband in the context you put, I get it, but it is only a temporary fix or patch. Not wanting to burden him may be an excuse for you to avoid any possible pain it could cause you...and him and the kids. What you said about your daughter now showing signs of scrupulosity is your sign you need to deal with this for you and her and your husband and kids. As an exmo I got divorced after 30 years I am 65 now and been divorced 11 years, looking back a lot of it was because of surpressing myself to "not burden her". At least that was the excuse. I now see that as a mistake. The divorce was painful yet amicable compared to many. Now I see it as the best thing that ever happened to me. It lifted a great burden from me and allowed me to be my authentic self for the first time in my life. I can't help but think perhaps if I had been100% honest or up front from the beginning about how I felt I might have avoided that part. I am not saying you should or will get divorced, but I am saying you should be 100% honest with each other. An old saying by sailors is: the fastest way to beat a storm is through it. if you try to outrun it, it will catch up to you and capsize the boat. I have found that to be true. The truth will set you free as the saying goes. And you might be surprised at his reaction it may be positive. When you approach him and he shuts down as you say, it's not because he is a TBM. But because he is afraid of losing you, the love you have for each other can weather the storm so to speak if you give it the chance. Hiding or surpressing it will only cause it to burst out at some point. You can't keep a lid on a boiling pot for very long. If you set your sails for truth honesty and authenticity and you will not regret it. Peace...
I found Mormon Stories about a month ago. So much of what Summur says has resinated with me. I didn't even know about the native american adoption situation. Thanks for opening my eyes to so many new things. I've had so many suspicious with the church for most of my life, so nice to have a place I can go and see I'm not alone. 💗
I’ve enjoyed this interview with Summur. It has resonated with me.
I grew up LDS on the east coast (Tallahassee). My dad was originally from Jacksonville, Florida. I feel like my parents were similar to hers in that we should appreciate people being different. (And, yes, we had holiday dinners with our share of beer/alcohol drinkers). We always had all types of people in our home for dinner. To this day my parents are still LDS and so am I. We are all Democrats as well. The sad thing is I’ve found that as time has went by I have less in common with the members. I feel like my nuanced God is different than the one my parents brought us up with. I’ve had a hard time deciding where I stand with the church.
I resonate with Summur so much.
I can’t stand when conservatives do the tolerance paradox “respect my disrespectful hateful bullying oppressive attitude, actions, words and policy”
Exactly. Seems like she could stand all of the crazy stuff she found out about JS and the priesthood ban, but was most bothered when the church didn’t silence their news papers and fully back her dads political campaign.
“I have lots of gay friends! Sure I oppose their right to marry and have children, but I still love them!”
@@williamserinkI don’t think it’s that it didn’t bother her, it was everything all together, each thing adding to the pile of wrongs. I agree with her about politics, both sides are corrupt. We need politicians who will work together.
Throw the book at em, and by book, I mean "The Open Society and Its Enemies" by Karl Popper
The fact we call it “priesthood ban” only shows how unimportant woman are in the church. They only matter if they are attached to a man. FULL STOP!!
You're absolutely right!
I think it's respectful and healthy for couples to have different belief systems. Her finding her community is healthy.
I love Summer! She put into words so many things I haven't been able to. I love the way she was raised!! She was a great guest!❤
Much love Summur -Rayn, thank you for sharing your journey with us, you’re Amazing! I learned much from this episode of Mormon stories. It’s good to know that where ever we are on our journey in or out of Mormonism, that we are not alone, there is love and support out there, we go through our own journeys and that is ok!
I think Summur's broad message is great and full of love. Loving people "where they are at". Thank you, Summur.
I also agree, politics is synonymous with lying and framing issues. We are more connected than not. ❤
I do see some naivete and maybe a need to believe all is ok. For example, regarding Trump, I think he is a different situation. To borrow her words, a "different psyche".
Sometimes there is a sick individual running for power and sometimes institutional molestation is going on and being covered up. As individuals, and as parents, sometimes we need to make some hard decisions to be safe and healthy.
I find it hard to believe that her husband does not know she. No longer believes in the Mormon doctrine . Specially after this interview..I think she should tell him soon . God give her strength and the proper way of letting him know 😊
Summur, you are brilliant. I'm so glad I was able to watch your interview. There's a lot there to learn and appreciate and emulate. Thank you! ♥
Mormon stories should do a short of “Brigham or Klan member”. Put up quotes and make people guess who said it. Then post answer.
This is so important so many people could work through most trauma.
@@suem6004 That has been your experiece. Some people have suffered trauma in a religious setting. Their pain and their stories are valid.
Loved this episode - as one half of a MFM myself, Summur spoke to my lived experience. She gave lots of great words of wisdom. Thanks for sharing your story!
Great interview! Summur, you should put a bubble around your children to protect them, like your mother did… I hope you spoke with your husband about the difficulties your daughter is experiencing!
Your child’s health should come before your husband’s beliefs… All the best to you and your family!💐🩷
Truthfulness is the hallmark of all virtues. ❤
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What lie did she tell?
I hope she becomes truthful with her own family. Instead of allowing her little girl to panic over whether or not she said her prayers and leaving her husband and parents in the dark.
Hello, John!!! I’m an ex Jehovah’s Witness, I’m 49 and I’ve been disfellowshipped for 22 years and I’m unpacking a lot of my religious trauma on here to see if I can connect with other cult survivors!!!!!! I’d LOVE to connect with you, because this channel has been a huge help in my healing process already!!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I hope he comes around. Your such an example of unconditional love for your kids and spouse
@@suem6004 Oh Sue...your judgmental approach is truly awful.
Brigham Young’s extermination order reduced the population of the Timpanogo tribe from 70,000 to 1,300. “It was the summer of 1847 our lives would be changed, a new people would come, not like the ‘big hats’ of old. These people would build fences, claim lands and disrupt our culture and way of life. Bringing confusion as they spoke of their God and peace while sharing sacks of flour laced with broken glass. Brigham Young said, ‘You can get rid of more Indians with a sack of flour than a keg of powder.’ Destroying us with what appeared to be acts of kindness. As our Timpanogos tribal leaders Kanosh, Tabby, Washakie, Little Wolf, Wanship, Little Chief, Kone, Blue Shirt, Big Elk, Opecarry, Old Battestie, Tintic, Sowiet, Angatewats, Walkara, Graspero and others extend their hospitality to Brigham Young and his followers, they were unaware of the bloodshed that would follow, some 150 bloody confrontations between 1847-70.” -Sarah Newcomb, Lamanite Truth, February 26, 2018
2:06:50 the problem is that if someone agrees with the justification of anti -queer sentiment, we can’t be friends because you fundamentally disagree with my right to exist as I am. True colors are shown. It’s not petty tribalism.
I am a X morman Trini… I understand the culture upbringing..It was easier for me to leave without the baggage 😊
I must jump in here and say, I was raised LDS in “the mission field” in Oregon. ( my ancestry is from Pioneer stock out of Utah, but I was a generation removed from Utah before moving back there). I was culturally more like Sommur in being more tolerant of non Mormon associates and friends. My mind set was very much like hers. And when I left Oregon I went to Utah for school. I was expecting Utah to be kind of a “Mecca” and I was Euphoric to be there amongst the “Saints”. The longer I was there, the more corruption I found and more hypocrisy. And this was quite a while ago - early 70’s. I actually worked in the Church Office Building in the early years of the big white building’s existence. My shelf got cracked and eventually came crashing down. So as this very interesting and lovely lady tells her story, I am finding many parallels.
I feel like I learned so much through Summer’s story. From how her parent’s raised her and the lack of shame and loyalty to family and the love of the Holy Spirit…. To her consideration, I’m wanting to protect each person’s spiritual journey.
I was really hurt by the church. Many kind hearted people who didn’t give me context. I feel so scared of people believing without critical thinking. Not all people, but people close to me.
A boyfriend recently started getting closer to God (in the Christian church) and I have so much trouble respecting his journey…. Because I get scared. I feel like his kindhearted self is going to be brainwashed and become unsafe.
For some reason, this has reminded me that people who are religious are not necessarily dangerous or lemmings/nazi youth, etc. I get so scared. And I want to just listen to him and support him. But I have trouble not interjecting with my ideas (out of fear). The respect to let people pursue their own journey is something I need to master. Especially because most Christian people are very kind.
This is truly one of the best series. You’re amazing Summur!
Your video quality is top-notch, and your personality shines through. Love it!
This was my favorite person on here so far
THANK YOU FOR SHARING
I think it’s easy to have a sugar-coated view of the Church when you live in Utah as a Mormon. Their world is very small, it’s the home, immediate family, the neighborhood, the school, the ward and the Temple. Very insular. It’s difficult to see for example how non Mormons are treated. My daughter and family lived there for 10 years. They had no Mormon friends as the first question they were always asked was “What ward do you go to?” When they answered they were not LDS, end of conversation. If it had not been for the large worldwide company they worked for, they would have had no friends at all. My grandchildren were the outsiders who were not invited to the birthday parties of their school FRIENDS because they were not LDS. Imagine walking home from school with your friends and having everyone else walking to the party except you. Sadly, there’s so much more that the world sees that true blue Mormons just don’t get and it sets a very bad tone to the world of the church.
My last comment is this: when I used to fly in to visit, it’s almost like the second I hit Utah airspace, I would look out the window and literally feel the spirit of sadness, depression and oppression. I have always been thankful my daughter and family escaped Utah without being sucked in.
Beautiful human and a hero and example to me
Thankyou so much Summur! I relate so much with your story, this has been validating and therapeutic.
You don't owe anyone anything but funding truth. That's all that matters
Fantastic interview with a phenomenal guest! ❤
Summur, c’mon now - you are a grown, strong black woman and you acquiescing to your husband in regards to spiritual beliefs does not set a good example. I pray that you’re able to be transparent with those around you and stand in your truth, as the man in your life and others stand on theirs. You’ve found your voice on this podcast and maybe that’s your way of putting yourself out there so you don’t have to be honest with others at home on who you are/what you stand for/where you stand, but it’s time to find your voice in your personal life too. If not for your sake, for your daughter’s and all the young women and minority women who come after - show that you’re willing to dissent and be unapologetically who you are.
Yes, because by saying nothing and letting your children fall for the lies of the church is dishonest. It’s a form of lying. But you are justifying it the same way you justified believing in an effed up religion even when you saw all the issues in front of you. Don’t be a politician, be an inspiration.
2:12:45 but earlier you were saying that you were concerned about your daughter believing that it is her responsibility to be a good Mormon so that bad things won’t happen to her or her loved ones. But by saying that if you put good into the world., it’ll come back to you, it places the blame on her still if bad things happen. Rather than affirming that our actions have nothing to do with whether or not our dad gets hit by a bus.
I have to say this. I was not a fan of her dad. I did not vote for him and I assumed he was just trotted out as a token black man by the church. After listening to Summur I’m so impressed by her, her family, her upbringing, and her dad. I’ve been voting Democrat (lately) but I’d make an exception and vote for her dad. He’s a good man. I think voting for honest, compassionate, and tolerant people is more important than party loyalty.
Her father is virulently anti-transgender and a huge Trump supporter.
Thank you Summur- Ryan for sharing your journey! All those lies and cover ups made me pretty upset as well. Such a great reminder for all of us to show respect and love to everyone instead trying to constantly proof who is right etc! Wishing you and your family all the best!❤
Thank you Margi and John for this amazing interview!
Well put I feel this for many of my friends whose spouses feel lost. Almost like I did in the beginning
I got pregnant out of wed lock after divorce with 4 kids my bishop was poly and he just loved me through it. Shout out to him most would have ex communications me
I love this episode. John and Margie are great hosts.
Love this
Summur’s husband Chris is one of the greatest human beings on this planet.
This is so great. I want to know if Summurs husband would go on the show. ??
In the Ethiopian church, there’s a saying that some people turn white when they are too pure to really converse of relate to anyone on this earth anymore. I don’t think they mean that in a good way. More like too much purity makes you unable to do or experience what you are here for. 🤷🏻♀️
A beautiful experience
Excellent example of one of the best ways to live a life:
Love em’.
Great interview
Sharing a "burden" for me in a core tenant of a healthy marriage. Just like sharing the joys and victories.
She is amazing. When my Gparents gave me an 1960’s Book of Mormon, I wish I would have kept it for reference. How interesting, but I Trashed it, when I was saved by Grace✨
The same things are happening in Jehovah’s Witnesses. The parallels are amazing.
Except that Mormons don’t beat up people for not listening to them or joining thei faith
1:21:00 a space where I can question things without being called pretentious or one with the devil sounds so amazing to me hopefully I get to come to thrive conference soon
Summur Rain! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for sharing your story. As I am continually to step away, you helped me to still have compassion and understanding. Also I strongly suggest reading ADHD 2.0 it puts a different perspective on ADHD as a whole
I'm in the same place with my husband as Summer is with hers. Can't talk about it with him not only because he's so unwilling to listen (literally eyes glazed over and started blah blah blahing "I will not be lead astray" garbage) but because he also works for the church.
You talk culture is different.I live in California for 30 years.And things were not like they are here in Utah is so strict.We had to move back because of jobs, but my God, things to change from when I grow up here really changed.Things got more desperate more judgmental
I allow my kids to go but also room to doubt and chose and ask questions. But we do have 3 return missionaries who will not talk about it and are still active and that’s ok too
I pray you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
I can relate to her position as a non-believer with spouse, friends and family still believing. They don’t know, and I don’t want to hurt them. I’m a former fundamentalist Christian, but my husband still believes. He knows I have liberal beliefs, but not that I no longer believe in the Bible and question God. Fortunately, he doesn’t want to attend church, so that doesn’t divide us. We connect in other ways. I don’t think any couple connects on everything, each spouse needs their own interests. And I completely agree with Summur about politics!
According to the Prophet Joseph Smith, “the title-page of the Book of Mormon is a literal translation, taken from the very last leaf, on the left hand side of the collection or book of plates, which contained the record which has been translated, the language of the whole running the same as all Hebrew writing in ...
Summer's life-theme seems to be "live and let live, love as is." I never understood the demand or expectation that loved ones see and think the same way either, absolutely agree the world would be a better place if relations weren't defined by a single difference or commonality. Without differences, there's no growth and without growth, there's no real life. Pretty sure in part 1 Summer used the phrase, (we'll have to) "agree to disagree" and that's one of the few things my father and I agreed on LOL
On another note, ex-Scientologists are campaigning against 501c3 status because it's used as protection for child abuse (amongst other things) and the CoS similarily owns a LOT of real estate (great tax dodge). Seems to me that wealthy religious orgs also dedicate enormous portions of their wealth to protect themselves from legal liability for those crimes and to maintain the laws that protect them from scruitiny or oversight too. I would love to see these common causes come together to create legal parameters that would protect children's rights within high demand religions!!!
Oh man. I hope she can get her kids away from the church. 😢
I know right … I would be schizophrenic if I had to live in her shoes, one can philosophize all they want with word salads to cope with such foolishness to justify their madness.. the daughter sounds a ratcheted mess😢 phew
I think it’s a rare white man that’s willing to acknowledge his privilege -- take his blinders off- and see the world .. the hypocrisy for what it is
How does one air their dirty laundry and their husband not know they’re coming on Mormon Stories.. it all sounds crazy to me .. erratic
It’s insanely dishonest and disturbing. Her poor child even is having anxiety over this LDS bs and her response is to not say anything ?
I have family that were in the placement program. Uncles and Aunties. I also grew up hearing other family members say to those who went on placement, “went on placement, lost my language.”
Separate the corporate and gospel. Yes humans know how to compartmentalize.
Yeasssssss. Trigger word is I know for me now. Staying open. Wish I would have learned that as a mom of teens
I feel that if Utah hadn't wanted to state her so much.Plague me would still be going on today.I really do because of the leadership
Oh Brigham. Ugh the church has a way of saying things...from the beginning. But BY is disgusting
Great episode. I also was raised that God was not a transactional God. The Mormon/LDS God does not seem like a loving one.
I have been saying they sell agency but really they have NONE
Spot on! They sell eternal families, but demand divisive obedience. If not, then Mormon cultists are taught to guilt & shame. 😩
"If you see a picture of Abraham Lincoln with a cell phone, you know it's photoshopped because cell phones didn't exist then". Maybe, but then what if it's a time travel cell phone like the one from the best selling children's book "Texting Through Time with Brigham Young". 😊
Thank you for sharing your story Summur. You are amazing. I am sorry that you were disturbed by the crooked LDS man in Haiti. Unfortunately, as a non-Mormon I have known a many Mormon businessmen, managers, etc who are very dishonest. They are disdained by the non-Mormons for this and I believe in their self-righteous mind, are completely unaware as to howthey are viewed. It also taints the lager view of the church.
Yes. So true.cant share when you don't believe. It's so one sided
At the 1 hour 53 minutes and 43 seconds mark, the question at the debate Summur is mentioning, I automatically thought about Plato's cave allegory. Sure, if you remove one of the chained people from the cave where they've lived their whole life in darkness and only ever saw shadow figures being projected on the wall through a light source in their back, it's going to be painful to see the light of day and to have to exist outside of the cave.
But it's going to be a richer life full of experiences and there's no way that person will want to go back to that allegorical cave.
When Summur says, "We're told we have a relationship with our heavenly Father," is she picturing JESUS, or the father of Jesus?... A major point of contention between the LDS church and Bible-believing Christian churches is the claim made by JSJ that he'd been shown BOTH "Gods" in his account of the first vision...The "Gods" were separate and individual! ...So sincerely asking, "Which God... father God, or son "God"? ...Always enjoy the camaraderie between all... = )
Tell Summur about Britt Hartley’s work: Nihilism, deconstruction and reconstruction.
I am only 24 minutes in. I don’t know if it’s warranted yet. But I definitely made a “ahhgrrrr” noise when she mentioned Tim Ballard. I know, I know, I am jumping to conclusions with the title of the next episode with her returning to the lds faith but I hope she left TB behind…
I think not letting her husband know her feelings and going public behind his back seems dangerous. It could blow up her marriage. It puts him in abad position and doesn't give him an opportunity to voice his opinion prior.
John, StOp DyInG yOuR hAIR!!! 😂😂 (heavy, heavy sarcasm) I am totally kidding you look great and natural as always!🤩🤣
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I have found that there's so many supposedly good ideas.People who run these games and since they're supposedly satisfied of these people people fall in line right behind them and donate donate donate not realizing how devious these people are until it's too late
When this decision was made by the church in 1970. The black guys that really got along with my husband and his work gave him the raspberry continually honest-to-God. It was just absolutely a riot. What they did, and here's my poor husband who is rather inactive, not knowing quite how to respond to this except saying well, that's just the way it goes there.
It is so hard to find common ground with religions and political parties who support bigotry, racism, and hate.😢
Yeah like i can’t respect someone who thinks wearing a mask during a pandemic is oppressive and is willing to risk the lives of others to make some BS point. And the irony that many of the same people think woman should cover up and men can’t wear dresses. It’s easy to say ‘I love and respect you no matter what you believe in’ but you have to be cognitively dissonant to think your queer friends are gonna be okay with you supporting policies that strip away their rights to marriage, adoption, and access to public services.
1:01:13 none of me my friends believe in MSP but they’d believe in Chad and Lori interviewing to an extent with what they “know”.. and the terrifies me..
2:07:00 lots of times there is one thing that breaks a marriage. Like cheating.
Why does this mother continue to subject her children to this cult?
It is highly unlikely that the children will remain members if they have a supportive escape hatch. The fact that her husband shuts down when confronted with the truth is very telling. I suspect he will react negatively when his children inevitably express a desire to not participate in the church. He will see his wife as a threat to his children.
"Cohost and..... Partner"
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You're too cute. I'm glad you guys didn't go see Jodi Hilderbrandt
It's interesting how in deconstructing being LDS they talk about the shelve and how it's a bad thing and how it does eventually break and then try to say it's ok to use that shelve for not having basic honestly, trust and respect to talk about religion with your spouse and to just ignore that. Also the idea that you have to cater to the emotional needs of the believing LDS and (man) more than your own seem rather patriarchal. I am always amazed as to how much misogyny and patriarchy ex-mos still have including the hosts of ex-mo channels. Is it hard for ex-mos to see how much they are still acting on religious based beliefs/traditions after they leave or do you see it and really think that patriarchal behaviour is good?
Hey you now that you have left the Church of Jesus Christ, are you attending any church or following any religion?
And you, who also left the church, do you follow any religion or church? What is your faith now?