I have an interesting situation that fits a pattern, except the first son... or the paternal grandfather's name was not remembered well. The Irish family from County Kerry had 6 children: 3 boys and 3 girls. Skipping the first son, the 2nd son is named for the maternal grandfather and the 3rd is named for the father. The girls were named for the maternal grandmother, paternal grandmother, and then the mother. That definitely feels like a pattern. None of my New England settler families used a pattern that I can identify. Well, other than repeating family names but not in some clear order. The paternal grandparents of this Irish family were Patrick & "Katie" according to the father's NY 1896 death certificate. The maternal grandparents were Jeremiah and Mary according to the mother's NT 1912 death certificate. The father was Patrick and the mother was Eleanor or Ellen (both names used interchangeably). The 1st son was named James Patrick, not just Patrick like the paternal grandfather. I think it's likely that the paternal grandfather's name was not remembered correctly so many years later on the death certificate or he went by Patrick rather than James, but his son remembered his father's name when the first grandson was born. There is an age issue with the 1st and 2nd sons since the 1st reported he was born April 1857 and the 2nd reported he was born July 1857. Consistently. Since we know that's not possible, and I have definitely matched them in many records as brothers, I strongly suspect one of them is wrong about the year. And, just for fun, the Catholic parish registers in County Kerry don't seem to go back that far or don't have either of them listed. Finding that pattern, though, was really helpful when I was able to identify the parents in the 1880 NY census along with several of the younger children and then in later newspaper articles about engagements and marriages.
I haven't found really consistent patterns in my Irish Catholic ancestors. My Fitzgerald ancestors from County Clare skipped generations (James, Joseph, James, Joseph) but all the other lineages seemed to jump all over the place.
I 'hate' the name Patrick because they're in darn near every family. I know most are named for one of the leaders of the 1690 rebellion (Patrick Sarsfield?) while doubling as a saint's name but still. That was one overused name.
@@mdaly724 yeah, Patrick O'Neill and Mary O'Neill (nee O'Neill), my 2nd great grandparents are my worst and earliest brick wall. Would you believe there were at least four couples in Ireland in the same generation, two if whom just a few miles from each other in County Tyrone? The only way I figured it out was that the two Mary's had babies five months apart. Anyway, forget about trying to learn anything more about that Patrick O'Neill. There must have been a dozen on just the east side of Coalisland in the late 1800s.
@@five-minutegenealogy1119 that's exactly the problem. Patrick Moroney, Patrick Grady (twice), Patrick O'Shea (twice), and then - thankfully - Michael Deely/Daly. But, then, the Dalys used Michael all over the place. Can't tell you how happy I was to find a 3rd gr-grandfather named Jeremiah Driskill/Driscoll. I noticed some families completely threw out naming kids after relatives once they arrived in the U.S. On the one hand it helped identify each person but on the other hand it didn't offer any help finding the next generation back.
I have an interesting situation that fits a pattern, except the first son... or the paternal grandfather's name was not remembered well. The Irish family from County Kerry had 6 children: 3 boys and 3 girls. Skipping the first son, the 2nd son is named for the maternal grandfather and the 3rd is named for the father. The girls were named for the maternal grandmother, paternal grandmother, and then the mother. That definitely feels like a pattern. None of my New England settler families used a pattern that I can identify. Well, other than repeating family names but not in some clear order.
The paternal grandparents of this Irish family were Patrick & "Katie" according to the father's NY 1896 death certificate. The maternal grandparents were Jeremiah and Mary according to the mother's NT 1912 death certificate. The father was Patrick and the mother was Eleanor or Ellen (both names used interchangeably). The 1st son was named James Patrick, not just Patrick like the paternal grandfather. I think it's likely that the paternal grandfather's name was not remembered correctly so many years later on the death certificate or he went by Patrick rather than James, but his son remembered his father's name when the first grandson was born.
There is an age issue with the 1st and 2nd sons since the 1st reported he was born April 1857 and the 2nd reported he was born July 1857. Consistently. Since we know that's not possible, and I have definitely matched them in many records as brothers, I strongly suspect one of them is wrong about the year. And, just for fun, the Catholic parish registers in County Kerry don't seem to go back that far or don't have either of them listed.
Finding that pattern, though, was really helpful when I was able to identify the parents in the 1880 NY census along with several of the younger children and then in later newspaper articles about engagements and marriages.
I haven't found really consistent patterns in my Irish Catholic ancestors. My Fitzgerald ancestors from County Clare skipped generations (James, Joseph, James, Joseph) but all the other lineages seemed to jump all over the place.
I 'hate' the name Patrick because they're in darn near every family. I know most are named for one of the leaders of the 1690 rebellion (Patrick Sarsfield?) while doubling as a saint's name but still. That was one overused name.
@@mdaly724 yeah, Patrick O'Neill and Mary O'Neill (nee O'Neill), my 2nd great grandparents are my worst and earliest brick wall. Would you believe there were at least four couples in Ireland in the same generation, two if whom just a few miles from each other in County Tyrone? The only way I figured it out was that the two Mary's had babies five months apart. Anyway, forget about trying to learn anything more about that Patrick O'Neill. There must have been a dozen on just the east side of Coalisland in the late 1800s.
@@five-minutegenealogy1119 that's exactly the problem. Patrick Moroney, Patrick Grady (twice), Patrick O'Shea (twice), and then - thankfully - Michael Deely/Daly. But, then, the Dalys used Michael all over the place. Can't tell you how happy I was to find a 3rd gr-grandfather named Jeremiah Driskill/Driscoll. I noticed some families completely threw out naming kids after relatives once they arrived in the U.S. On the one hand it helped identify each person but on the other hand it didn't offer any help finding the next generation back.