An RNG system that keeps the extremely lucky feeling extremely lucky, while placing a clear limit on how unlucky you can be, is a good system. Progress should be based on player effort, with luck granting the possibility of reducing effort. I like this change.
If they implemented this across the entire game, it might actually be better and I wouldn't burn out as quickly, knowing that I'm not going to be screwed over by RNG.
@@koopa6_412 I agree with that. This is a great quality of life improvement that could benefit the game as a whole. I honestly enjoy warframe a lot, but the time investment and grinds can be extreme at times. Systems to negate bad luck would, as Ken says, make the player more rewarded for putting in their effort.
At first, I didn’t like how the blacklist was hidden from players, or that the only way to reset it is going all the way through, but I realized that’s actually a strength. It makes it a completely invisible pity system. A player doesn’t have to know any of this, they just keep making attempts until they get the desired weapon, just like before.
I spent around 8 hours trying to get a Hek lich to spawn prior to this system. Considering my average clear speed was 1:15-1:30, and a 15-30 second reset time, I probably took upwards of 200 captures to get the gun to spawn once for me
I've been around for a hot minute (before liches) and have never really had a _strong urge_ to get one based on the potential grind to get one of the few weapons I would even want. This change has got me looking sideways at liches and contemplating getting _all the weapons now_ ... If that isn't a testament to it being a good change/move I don't know what would be.
If I didnt have the best rng except for tha grattler i wouldnt bother hunting liches either. Its not fun enough to make me try minmax shit or get last vengeful ephemera
I hope you don't like your forma, they are a huge forma and time sink to max them all out. I didn't realize what I was getting into until I had spent 80 on just those alone. Nothing else has gotten a build completed on them until I finished all these and even now I'm afraid to forma anything else because of the chance 5 of each weapons could be added. And now I'm just hoarding forma and i have ptsd over how i went from 100 spare to almost none after a few months.
@@Jes9119 If you only want a full build, kuva weapons are MORE FORMA EFFICIENT, they give you ranks above 30 remember. But yeah if you NEED the mastery its gonna be forma drought for weeks
This is exactly the sort of thing I wanted in Warframe. A run that fails to get the loot you wanted, actually makes progress towards getting your desired loot, so each run is making progess.
I remember when I tried to get a kuva bramma lich for 5+ hours (over 200 attempts) just to get a 28% one. I’m happy for this change but feel like this new system came out a little too late
Or that time they changed the required amount of toroids to 10+ down to 5, after I already finished ranking up Vox Solaris. Happy for the newcomers who don't have to go through that awful grind, but still feelin kinda miffed lol
Finally I can stop getting 3-7 Tenet Diplos in a Row, and then after that getting a Tenet Cycron just to go back and start the Diplos streak again..... While actually trying to get a Flux Rifle or an Arca Plasmor ;-;
I really hope that some kind of pity system is implemented for other types of loot evetually. I'am currently sitting on 4 "almost" complete sets of equinox. not a single "day chassis" after >50 runs. At least 4 of every other part. I really need that pity system for warframe parts, because I don't want to hear words "worthless ugly freak" ever again!
I feel like a lot of people would complain if frame parts were totally taken out of the loot pool as they’d call it too easy etc, so I think they should just change the percentages after a certain point. Like maybe after you get the three other parts the fourth one gets a 5-10% drop bonus
As someone who did probably upwards of 200 capture runs looking to get the Kuva Hek when it released, I really appreciated this when I went for another Kuva weapon later. If I'm remembering correctly, I spent around 8 hours running 90 second capture missions, plus 15-30 seconds to reset and reload. That got really old really fast. To say nothing of the pain that came with hearing "change of plans" since I generally don't abort missions
It is amazing how many people asked me “How did you get the Zarr?!” when I use it, I have to explain having to keep recycling the lichs by completing a mission over and over until one finally showed up. The good thing though is that between the last handful of Kuva Sisters I still need to grab and likely more that will pop up in the future, there is no better time than now for us to finally have something like this. At least the RNG Warframe is well known for is slightly more forgiving now in this situation.
Granum void should imo have larvaling on 3/3 completion of low, 2/3 T2 of medium and 1/3 of high so we actually have some reason to use the lower tier crowns besides another copy of the weapon or 2nd protea parts.
This makes it more appealing to grind out all the weapon's & get multiple copy's to fuse to get 60% max stats. I just come back & didn't know this info. Thanks
the Kengineer has another video called "liches are easy to kill" that helped me a lot (might be called "beating Lich DR"). TLDR use octavia for the easiest possible run, you can just go invisible and let them beat themselves! The only other real roadblock is not having a Railjack, but unfortunately that's just a grind and there's no easy way to skip it. Thankfully the requirements were reduced quite a bit recently :) good luck!
it took me 3 hours to get the orgris to spawn before this system im so happy this change came the orgris is my fav weapon and now i can max it out without wanting to toaster bath
"man what a great system! i hope DE learns from this achievement and implement this in for other drop tables as well!" -Me, hopelessly thinking DE will implement this system for other drops and going insane farming Equinox, 2022
For game coding reasons there's a good chance it won't change too much, sadly. I admit, one idea I had for the minions of an Infested nemesis works like "kill a bunch of lesser enemies near the minion, then stab the minion once they're full". Kind of like the second half of one of the Deimos bounty missions where you have to kill enemies within a certain radius of the bait. Might be a bit of a problem with some mission types, unfortunately. There's... probably not exactly that many other ways to do it without another big coding overhaul in the Murmur system.
Together with putting liches to the same planet according to rank, personally it sped up the whole lich hunting like 3 times shorter than what we got originally. DE is slow, but is improving the QoL for sure.
We need to have something similar for boss warframe part drops... However, just using an identical system would feel cheap... But limiting the max number of runs to get that coveted 4th piece to about 16-20 would be brilliant.
Oh thank god. Finding the right tenet weapon has been one of the worst experiences I've had in Warframe. Caused me to take about a 6 month break out of frustration.
A clan mate of mine had a bug where, instead of the rejected weapon (Kuva Karak) beeing blacklisted, every other Kuva weapon was blacklisted. I think after a dozen larvlings with Karak's he called it a day
I'm also getting the same ones again and again like before. The new system is clearly not working for me. Doing Hydra on Pluto, and I am completing the missing every time.
Been after the Tenet Arca Plasmor for ages, to no avail. After this change, I was finally motivated to grind for it. Ironically, the first thing that dropped was the Arcaplas. Weird...
Its an elimination system. A true Pity system like in gacha games pulls or lootboxes must guarante something that had too low odds to happen regardless.
Well, that's fortunate for people just getting into utilizing the lich/sister system. Sadly for me I did most of my lich weapon hunting before any updates, and all my tenet weapon hunting before this as well. Then add in the amounts of farming attempting to get all the ephemeras. Still, this is good for people farming specific weapon + element combos.
If you’re going include human error in calculations, “worst case” would be multiple repeats of passing on the weapon you actually wanted into infinity.
Damnit, I just took a lich with a weapon I already have and don't really use out of frustration. Also traded for a Kuva Ayanga after 3 nights of hard farming. Good to hear for sure! Now I'll finally be motivated to kill that lich and move on lol.
Something I came across when running for a sister, once one spawns, go for it immediately, I had ended up leaving an invisible radius around them and it despawned as if I had rejected it.
Can you please do a on-call crew guide? There so much wierd stuff with scaling and how some weapons behave (tenet flux bugging out for example) it would be of much help
Never really had a problem with grinding kuva or tenet weapons but I am kinda peed off that I didn’t know you can get better stats with certain weapons, depending on its progenitor an RNG luck. Wish I could trade already owned kuva/tenet weapons for new ones with better stats without all hassle of the nemesis system and forma investment.
I recognize this comment is a little old, but I wanted to say that by using Valence Fusion you can keep your invested Forma (and a minimum bound on the bonus percentage) while having the option to change the element. You still have to go through the nemesis system to get your new copy to fuse, but the result will be a higher bonus percentage and the element you choose (via the progenitor warframe).
yeah Warframe is the most grinding game on the planet here the system that's still a lot of grinding. i've had days where hell I've had weeks where I didn't get anything. item I had like a week and a half where I didn't get one gold And I broke relics every day and we're not talking like one or two I would do like long runs for hours. They need to implement this across everything because it's kind of getting ridiculous.
Not sure if this can still happen, but there was an old bug that larvaling weapon icon didnt always load and or was invisible. If this happens now you might be even worse off than before if it was the weapon you wanted but you refuse because of bug. Edit: Actually if leaving mission doesnt use the pity then that is the only solution to fight the bug.
It usually happens you're hunting sister of parvos. The treasurer spawning is the culprit for it, and just killing it makes the weapon offering show up as intended
You said, if we get a weapon from the kuva larving, the pool will reset. So, if you are not sure if the weapon you are looking for got out of the pool or not we can just get the 1st weapon we see, finish the lich and then do the search for the weapons. Bringing the max number of runs need to 20.
I had a clan member that did 50 runs for fire diplos and never got it awhile ago and i did about 5 runs and got it for him. this pity system should've been released when the lich system for it first released. all my weapons are maxed out except for tenet melee's
It should be adapted for relics too honestly, even if a watered down version and or actually start giving out more void traces after cracking a relic so you don't need to open 5-10 relics just to be able to make find enough to radiant one or two
there should be bad luck protection on many more drop sources in warframe. drop chances made me burn out and I haven't played in months after trying to deal with relics and the absurd grind of liches and rivens. out of my friends group, I tend to be the one that has to do the most amount of runs to get x thing we're farming separately. this happens consistently across several games, so pity systems are the best thing for me lol
Re kindle's my hope that was extinguished by Khora farm. I normally have bad luck with drops she was the most painful farm i have ever experienced in any game i have ever played.
I just wish they’d buff the speed of actually obtaining the weapons after you get the desired larvaling. 2-3 hours for one weapon when you might need up to 10 for max valence sucks, and that’s just one of 19 weapons
Now if only they'd do something like this for relics. Maybe not remove items entirely, but reduce the chance of getting items you pass on. Or maybe increase the chance of getting an uncommon each time you get a common, and increasing the chance of getting a rare each time you get an uncommon.
My very first time getting into litches was for the bramma, I had 60+ runs before I finally got it. It burnt me out, I haven’t picked up the game in I believe half a year cause of that, and I was really enjoying the game at the time
Had something similar. I powered through one murmur just to see that I only got one relic that CAN drop it, failed to get it and just quit for a couple of months. Lich grind is still a heap of work but at least you can get the right weapon in a few tries.
Wow, this really is a good change. I'm surprised they could come with such a convenient system in a game known for being a grindfest. Anyway, good job, DE.
This is a very welcome change for anyone hunting Liches. Now, if they remove the requirement to use the Railjack for the final Lich fight, I may even come back. That change sucked for me, i do have the railjack built, but it has no upgrades or systems or weapons, simply because I hate Railjack.
Why do you hate railjack? I'm genuinely curious cause it's one of my favourite casual levelling methods when I don't wanna grind SO and I find it really fun
I think the old system was good already, since you could target farm them, and once you got the larvling to spawn with the right weapon, that was it. Now after the change, the system is pretty much perfect. The grind for specific mods or even Shedu parts for example is far worse. Also getting the weapon you want after a max of 19 runs, makes it far more attractive to new players, and really accessible to those who don't have time to grind for hours. Considering how strong Kuva and Tenet weapons are, this is a huge change.
Yeah, the system should exist in pretty much all of Warframe by this point. I've told my friend a few dozen times, "People like to say that Warframe has 'the best f2p system out there' but when my gacha games regularly give me more premium currency, rewards, and pity systems, while Warframe makes me slam my face into a brick wall for a 0.0303% drop chance for a mod, or pay someone 20 plat for it, I find it hard to agree." Better pity systems for things like warframe farming, even just excluding the last part dropped, would be incredible and make great strives towards ensuring the game doesn't become a complete annoyance. I got tired of farming the Ropalyst back when Wisp dropped, I'm pretty much just going to wait for Wisp Prime to subsume mine to the Helminth because screw that boss fight.
yeaaah, i was hunting for the Kuva Hek for ages, I'd get every weapon BUT I'd get the kuva tonkor, or seer, or like... weapons I do like but already have....yeah, grinding out 40 Cassini runs for the weapon you want? not fun. especially when it rolls low, and you realise. "i'm gonna have to do this all over again!"
I just always took what ever weapon I was given I'm on kuva lich 78 at and sister lich 9 but took me from when grineer lich's were added till last month just to get all the ephemera's and last of the newest weapons DE added
It would be cool if the "reject pile" was reset if you weren't doing the eligible missions for 5 minutes or something like that so you could reset it manually
Wish there was a system to guarantee a sister of Parvos with an ephemera after 5, since the drop rate is 20%. After 8 different toxin corpus liches without one ephemera, time to use plat to solve that one, just need that and the magnetic one.
@@PhenonIV my life's fantastic on the contrary. 200+ runs of Rosalind/Nereid was enough to a) have actual dreams/nightmares of the level and B) realise I stuck in a pointless hamster wheel that wasn't even 1/100th as enjoyable as the story quests which I'd completed all of at the time.
@@PhenonIV Doesn't really take much to get tired and quit the game after you realize all the bs systems DE creates are always boring, tedious farms accompanied by lots of bugs. Once you lose the desire to hunt that new shiny weapon/warframe it's pretty easy to quit. Doesn't even have to be out of frustration but simply because it got boring, lost its charm or you just don't care enough about it anymore
I have no problem with not getting the desired weapon (if i knew them). Finished my fist kuva lich today after way over a year with not getting the right mod, just to find out that i need a railjack thing now to get it. Turned out nobody was playing railjack all the evening, nobody i could join, nothing. Stuck again, still no weapon.
before this qol change, my first kuva larvling gave me the brama. the second one gave me the zarr. first sister gave me the cycron. second sister gave me the arca plasmor. rngesus loves me.
At least appreciate it exists instead of seeing something positive from the game, ignoring it and complaining about the game (I'm not saying things don't need to be fixed, it's just if you only focus on the negatives you'll never be satisfied)
I have gotten weirdly lucky with liches. First one ever was nukor and my second one was bramma and my third one was another toxin nukor xD i did get a hek and grattler after that which i wasn’t trying for but I got the two best kuva weaps before I even knew how good they were lol. If only my tenet grind was going that way... hopefully this pity system makes it less painful. I have only had the patience to do one sister since they came out.
This sort of system should be implemented in other areas if you ask me. Warframe/Weapon components from Bosses for example, while being a much smaller pool of items (3 usually, 8 for Equinox) can still be frustrating for newer players, especially since the chances aren't a straight 3-way split. (In case you didn't know, Bosses with Warframe components as a drop typically have around 22% chance for the systems, instead of a balances 33%, meaning the expected amount of runs it takes is 6-7 instead of 3) There are, however, some areas where I think it ISNT a good idea to implement this, or at least not in the same way. Relics for instance have multiple rewards, but a squad of 4 players with the same relics might all be after different components from those relics, so it wouldn't be a good fit. Arcanes are one that could fit with a modified system, where instead of removing the received Arcane from the pool, it reduces the chances any Arcanes you have *maxed out* from the pool, without removing them entirely for the same of trading and the like.
I think there is no need for the yellow line. If I'm farming for a specific kuva or tenet, I'd just take the first one and start rejecting till I find the one I want. Just ad 1 extra run to the red line and that's it because taking any kuva/tenet resets the pool
This is especially significant for tenet weapons, because you have to specifically do a 25 kill minigame against annoying flying enemies that you have to double tap to kill (oh, and the level up midfight). It also requires an expendable item for entry, and that item requires you to at least stick around for 5 minutes in a capture mission.
I swear I keep getting the same kuva weapon over 8 runs. The chances of this are insane but annoying. Almost got all weapons except the kuva bramma which never showed up once
"max runs is 37 if you accidentally reject what you want" just run the next weapon that spawns, a lich takes about 10 missions to kill if you use an Oull charge.
An RNG system that keeps the extremely lucky feeling extremely lucky, while placing a clear limit on how unlucky you can be, is a good system. Progress should be based on player effort, with luck granting the possibility of reducing effort. I like this change.
Honestly needs to be placed on every grind in the game IMO.
If they implemented this across the entire game, it might actually be better and I wouldn't burn out as quickly, knowing that I'm not going to be screwed over by RNG.
@@koopa6_412 I agree with that. This is a great quality of life improvement that could benefit the game as a whole.
I honestly enjoy warframe a lot, but the time investment and grinds can be extreme at times. Systems to negate bad luck would, as Ken says, make the player more rewarded for putting in their effort.
You took the thought I couldn't shape into words
And you said it perfectly
Shame they didn’t put this into place before who knows how many people burned out
At first, I didn’t like how the blacklist was hidden from players, or that the only way to reset it is going all the way through, but I realized that’s actually a strength. It makes it a completely invisible pity system. A player doesn’t have to know any of this, they just keep making attempts until they get the desired weapon, just like before.
I’m okay doing 19 45-second missions. Not okay with doing ~50. This is amazing.
@ISPY4ever 45sec per capture run on Cassani
I spent around 8 hours trying to get a Hek lich to spawn prior to this system. Considering my average clear speed was 1:15-1:30, and a 15-30 second reset time, I probably took upwards of 200 captures to get the gun to spawn once for me
I've been around for a hot minute (before liches) and have never really had a _strong urge_ to get one based on the potential grind to get one of the few weapons I would even want. This change has got me looking sideways at liches and contemplating getting _all the weapons now_ ... If that isn't a testament to it being a good change/move I don't know what would be.
If I didnt have the best rng except for tha grattler i wouldnt bother hunting liches either. Its not fun enough to make me try minmax shit or get last vengeful ephemera
I hope you don't like your forma, they are a huge forma and time sink to max them all out. I didn't realize what I was getting into until I had spent 80 on just those alone. Nothing else has gotten a build completed on them until I finished all these and even now I'm afraid to forma anything else because of the chance 5 of each weapons could be added. And now I'm just hoarding forma and i have ptsd over how i went from 100 spare to almost none after a few months.
same!
There are some fun kuva weapons. Score a kuva nukor.
@@Jes9119 If you only want a full build, kuva weapons are MORE FORMA EFFICIENT, they give you ranks above 30 remember. But yeah if you NEED the mastery its gonna be forma drought for weeks
This is exactly the sort of thing I wanted in Warframe. A run that fails to get the loot you wanted, actually makes progress towards getting your desired loot, so each run is making progess.
I remember when I tried to get a kuva bramma lich for 5+ hours (over 200 attempts) just to get a 28% one. I’m happy for this change but feel like this new system came out a little too late
They always make critical fixes way too late, like with the murmur changes. I usually farm out everything by the time they are deciding to fix it....
Or that time they changed the required amount of toroids to 10+ down to 5, after I already finished ranking up Vox Solaris. Happy for the newcomers who don't have to go through that awful grind, but still feelin kinda miffed lol
@@CelestialDraconis Oh yeah the toroid requirements lmao, boy those grinds weren't fun at all
True but this will help new players... i feel old now
Finally I can stop getting 3-7 Tenet Diplos in a Row, and then after that getting a Tenet Cycron just to go back and start the Diplos streak again..... While actually trying to get a Flux Rifle or an Arca Plasmor ;-;
Yeah I feel tenet diplos has higher chance of appearing than any other tenet weapons xD
I really hope that some kind of pity system is implemented for other types of loot evetually.
I'am currently sitting on 4 "almost" complete sets of equinox. not a single "day chassis" after >50 runs. At least 4 of every other part.
I really need that pity system for warframe parts, because I don't want to hear words "worthless ugly freak" ever again!
yeah really this should go game wide.
Just make it so the part can't be the same as the last one dropped for most frames, and like, last 3 for Equinox.
For equinox it should work like if it's day on Cetus it drops the day form and viceversa, I know they drop from your anus but who cares
@@turbo_killer347 pooped but nothing came out lol
I feel like a lot of people would complain if frame parts were totally taken out of the loot pool as they’d call it too easy etc, so I think they should just change the percentages after a certain point. Like maybe after you get the three other parts the fourth one gets a 5-10% drop bonus
I absolutely love this new system. working my way towards a full set of 60%'s happily xD
As someone who did probably upwards of 200 capture runs looking to get the Kuva Hek when it released, I really appreciated this when I went for another Kuva weapon later.
If I'm remembering correctly, I spent around 8 hours running 90 second capture missions, plus 15-30 seconds to reset and reload. That got really old really fast. To say nothing of the pain that came with hearing "change of plans" since I generally don't abort missions
As someone who is extremely unlucky I appreciate this change with every fiber of my being
It is amazing how many people asked me “How did you get the Zarr?!” when I use it, I have to explain having to keep recycling the lichs by completing a mission over and over until one finally showed up.
The good thing though is that between the last handful of Kuva Sisters I still need to grab and likely more that will pop up in the future, there is no better time than now for us to finally have something like this. At least the RNG Warframe is well known for is slightly more forgiving now in this situation.
Granum void should imo have larvaling on 3/3 completion of low, 2/3 T2 of medium and 1/3 of high so we actually have some reason to use the lower tier crowns besides another copy of the weapon or 2nd protea parts.
This makes it more appealing to grind out all the weapon's & get multiple copy's to fuse to get 60% max stats.
I just come back & didn't know this info. Thanks
Great system; I wish they would make the Liches a little more friendly if you don't get the luck of having a group to take it down.
the Kengineer has another video called "liches are easy to kill" that helped me a lot (might be called "beating Lich DR"). TLDR use octavia for the easiest possible run, you can just go invisible and let them beat themselves! The only other real roadblock is not having a Railjack, but unfortunately that's just a grind and there's no easy way to skip it. Thankfully the requirements were reduced quite a bit recently :) good luck!
Take Banshee with Gloom spam 2 and nuke them bastards
Any invisible frames can solve your solo problem.
Every time I see a new video from you, I know there's a practical problem you've solved and I'm here for it!!
it took me 3 hours to get the orgris to spawn before this system im so happy this change came the orgris is my fav weapon and now i can max it out without wanting to toaster bath
"man what a great system! i hope DE learns from this achievement and implement this in for other drop tables as well!"
-Me, hopelessly thinking DE will implement this system for other drops and going insane farming Equinox, 2022
No joke I do hope this is eventually implemented into relics at the least
I wonder how the infested murmur is gonna work, I hope it works differently than the current, kill minion, stab person, repeat until confrontation
For game coding reasons there's a good chance it won't change too much, sadly.
I admit, one idea I had for the minions of an Infested nemesis works like "kill a bunch of lesser enemies near the minion, then stab the minion once they're full". Kind of like the second half of one of the Deimos bounty missions where you have to kill enemies within a certain radius of the bait. Might be a bit of a problem with some mission types, unfortunately.
There's... probably not exactly that many other ways to do it without another big coding overhaul in the Murmur system.
Together with putting liches to the same planet according to rank, personally it sped up the whole lich hunting like 3 times shorter than what we got originally. DE is slow, but is improving the QoL for sure.
That's a good beginning for the lich system.. Now they gotta tweak the rest of the grind.
4:35 this acctually happened to me while running sp first larvling was the bramma
Run the missions on solo mode, Esc to pause the game when u down the larvling and check if u need the weapon.
I once had to kill 42 larvalings to get the weapon I wanted this is such an improvement
Warframe, Where the "Early Adopters Tax" is 2yrs of pain...
We need to have something similar for boss warframe part drops...
However, just using an identical system would feel cheap... But limiting the max number of runs to get that coveted 4th piece to about 16-20 would be brilliant.
Oh thank god. Finding the right tenet weapon has been one of the worst experiences I've had in Warframe. Caused me to take about a 6 month break out of frustration.
A clan mate of mine had a bug where, instead of the rejected weapon (Kuva Karak) beeing blacklisted, every other Kuva weapon was blacklisted. I think after a dozen larvlings with Karak's he called it a day
I'm also getting the same ones again and again like before. The new system is clearly not working for me. Doing Hydra on Pluto, and I am completing the missing every time.
I gave up on the grind before lich became a thing. I might try to get the weapons now.
DE is the only F2P developer out there that ACTUALLY lowers the grind for the playerbase
As a new player I appreciate this so much
for a player like me unluckiest dude in existence when it comes to luck thank god this is best update for me
just got my kuva nukor FINALLY
I need this kind of system for farming frames, The new ash is just.... Well he needs more than just this pity system but shit....
At least with frames you can grind the plat and buy them.
@@revenone1077 People do sell their liches also, so you can also buy it with plat if you want.
Been after the Tenet Arca Plasmor for ages, to no avail.
After this change, I was finally motivated to grind for it. Ironically, the first thing that dropped was the Arcaplas. Weird...
Great news for those whom havent farmed the weapons yet, but I have all of them. Maybe it could come in handy when/ if they introduce new weapons.
I knew how grinds it was when it came out and I refused to farm them! Now I am starting to farm them again!
Its an elimination system. A true Pity system like in gacha games pulls or lootboxes must guarante something that had too low odds to happen regardless.
Well, that's fortunate for people just getting into utilizing the lich/sister system. Sadly for me I did most of my lich weapon hunting before any updates, and all my tenet weapon hunting before this as well. Then add in the amounts of farming attempting to get all the ephemeras. Still, this is good for people farming specific weapon + element combos.
thank god. I remember going nearly 300 attempts dry. I feel like this shouldve shipped with liches.
If you’re going include human error in calculations, “worst case” would be multiple repeats of passing on the weapon you actually wanted into infinity.
I mean, that is just user error and can't be accounted for without more variables and testing
Damnit, I just took a lich with a weapon I already have and don't really use out of frustration. Also traded for a Kuva Ayanga after 3 nights of hard farming. Good to hear for sure! Now I'll finally be motivated to kill that lich and move on lol.
Something I came across when running for a sister, once one spawns, go for it immediately, I had ended up leaving an invisible radius around them and it despawned as if I had rejected it.
Can you please do a on-call crew guide? There so much wierd stuff with scaling and how some weapons behave (tenet flux bugging out for example) it would be of much help
Never really had a problem with grinding kuva or tenet weapons but I am kinda peed off that I didn’t know you can get better stats with certain weapons, depending on its progenitor an RNG luck. Wish I could trade already owned kuva/tenet weapons for new ones with better stats without all hassle of the nemesis system and forma investment.
I recognize this comment is a little old, but I wanted to say that by using Valence Fusion you can keep your invested Forma (and a minimum bound on the bonus percentage) while having the option to change the element. You still have to go through the nemesis system to get your new copy to fuse, but the result will be a higher bonus percentage and the element you choose (via the progenitor warframe).
yeah Warframe is the most grinding game on the planet here the system that's still a lot of grinding. i've had days where hell I've had weeks where I didn't get anything. item I had like a week and a half where I didn't get one gold And I broke relics every day and we're not talking like one or two I would do like long runs for hours. They need to implement this across everything because it's kind of getting ridiculous.
Not sure if this can still happen, but there was an old bug that larvaling weapon icon didnt always load and or was invisible. If this happens now you might be even worse off than before if it was the weapon you wanted but you refuse because of bug. Edit: Actually if leaving mission doesnt use the pity then that is the only solution to fight the bug.
Don't finish the mission and it wont roll
Still happens all the time, at least on ps4
It usually happens you're hunting sister of parvos. The treasurer spawning is the culprit for it, and just killing it makes the weapon offering show up as intended
wish this was in place other places. Ive been playing for YEARS, hit 30, and have yet to farm the BP to finally build the Brakk.
You said, if we get a weapon from the kuva larving, the pool will reset. So, if you are not sure if the weapon you are looking for got out of the pool or not we can just get the 1st weapon we see, finish the lich and then do the search for the weapons. Bringing the max number of runs need to 20.
This fix opens the possibility of additional tenet weapons without breaking the loot pool like what happened with having so many kuva weapons.
pretty sure this is DE's plan. we can look forward to tenet lenz
I had a clan member that did 50 runs for fire diplos and never got it awhile ago and i did about 5 runs and got it for him. this pity system should've been released when the lich system for it first released. all my weapons are maxed out except for tenet melee's
It should be adapted for relics too honestly, even if a watered down version and or actually start giving out more void traces after cracking a relic so you don't need to open 5-10 relics just to be able to make find enough to radiant one or two
Before this change, it took me longer to find the correct larvling than it did to decipher the lich's requiem mods and take them down.
there should be bad luck protection on many more drop sources in warframe. drop chances made me burn out and I haven't played in months after trying to deal with relics and the absurd grind of liches and rivens.
out of my friends group, I tend to be the one that has to do the most amount of runs to get x thing we're farming separately. this happens consistently across several games, so pity systems are the best thing for me lol
Re kindle's my hope that was extinguished by Khora farm. I normally have bad luck with drops she was the most painful farm i have ever experienced in any game i have ever played.
I hope something similar happens with regular Warframe parts because it probably took me 75 ish runs to get the last part I needed for harrow
Unlucky is me, 45 and 67 for my last two *sister* weapons!
This is really welcome
I just wish they’d buff the speed of actually obtaining the weapons after you get the desired larvaling. 2-3 hours for one weapon when you might need up to 10 for max valence sucks, and that’s just one of 19 weapons
That is rly nice as i never got the ogris. Even tho i grinded all other kuva weapons already
I think the most larvalings I have passed up trying to farm a specific weapon from the old system was about 93.
I'm going to need a Tenet Lenz.
I was doing ESO one day with a random with a lenz brought me back before the Kuva Brahma.
Now if only they'd do something like this for relics. Maybe not remove items entirely, but reduce the chance of getting items you pass on. Or maybe increase the chance of getting an uncommon each time you get a common, and increasing the chance of getting a rare each time you get an uncommon.
My very first time getting into litches was for the bramma, I had 60+ runs before I finally got it. It burnt me out, I haven’t picked up the game in I believe half a year cause of that, and I was really enjoying the game at the time
Had something similar. I powered through one murmur just to see that I only got one relic that CAN drop it, failed to get it and just quit for a couple of months.
Lich grind is still a heap of work but at least you can get the right weapon in a few tries.
Wow, this really is a good change. I'm surprised they could come with such a convenient system in a game known for being a grindfest. Anyway, good job, DE.
This is a very welcome change for anyone hunting Liches. Now, if they remove the requirement to use the Railjack for the final Lich fight, I may even come back. That change sucked for me, i do have the railjack built, but it has no upgrades or systems or weapons, simply because I hate Railjack.
Why do you hate railjack? I'm genuinely curious cause it's one of my favourite casual levelling methods when I don't wanna grind SO and I find it really fun
I wish they added ephemera indicator... got tired looking for them
Now for the ephemeras....
Personally I've got almost all of the lich ones in sequence, but even after 7 sisters no ephemera (and the chance is 1/5)
It's not a particularly bad case of bad luck
I've never seen an epehemera from the Lich, you are not alone.
After getting fifteen cycrons and those briefcase pistols in a row?
Yeah, I'm happy.
The next step is to add a pity system to Warframe farms
What a great change!
I think the old system was good already, since you could target farm them, and once you got the larvling to spawn with the right weapon, that was it.
Now after the change, the system is pretty much perfect. The grind for specific mods or even Shedu parts for example is far worse.
Also getting the weapon you want after a max of 19 runs, makes it far more attractive to new players, and really accessible to those who don't have time to grind for hours.
Considering how strong Kuva and Tenet weapons are, this is a huge change.
Yeah, the system should exist in pretty much all of Warframe by this point. I've told my friend a few dozen times, "People like to say that Warframe has 'the best f2p system out there' but when my gacha games regularly give me more premium currency, rewards, and pity systems, while Warframe makes me slam my face into a brick wall for a 0.0303% drop chance for a mod, or pay someone 20 plat for it, I find it hard to agree." Better pity systems for things like warframe farming, even just excluding the last part dropped, would be incredible and make great strives towards ensuring the game doesn't become a complete annoyance. I got tired of farming the Ropalyst back when Wisp dropped, I'm pretty much just going to wait for Wisp Prime to subsume mine to the Helminth because screw that boss fight.
That's actually great, now add pity system on relics
yeaaah, i was hunting for the Kuva Hek for ages, I'd get every weapon BUT I'd get the kuva tonkor, or seer, or like... weapons I do like but already have....yeah, grinding out 40 Cassini runs for the weapon you want? not fun. especially when it rolls low, and you realise. "i'm gonna have to do this all over again!"
I just always took what ever weapon I was given I'm on kuva lich 78 at and sister lich 9 but took me from when grineer lich's were added till last month just to get all the ephemera's and last of the newest weapons DE added
It would be cool if the "reject pile" was reset if you weren't doing the eligible missions for 5 minutes or something like that so you could reset it manually
Hmm..maybe I will look for valance fusion now!
Wish there was a system to guarantee a sister of Parvos with an ephemera after 5, since the drop rate is 20%. After 8 different toxin corpus liches without one ephemera, time to use plat to solve that one, just need that and the magnetic one.
Now wishing for a similar pity system in other areas of the game. I was very very unlucky getting ivara, and it made me quit for 2 years.
Man, must have had rough time in your life if you quit because if the ivara farm. Some underlying problems propably...
@@PhenonIV my life's fantastic on the contrary. 200+ runs of Rosalind/Nereid was enough to a) have actual dreams/nightmares of the level and B) realise I stuck in a pointless hamster wheel that wasn't even 1/100th as enjoyable as the story quests which I'd completed all of at the time.
@@PhenonIV Doesn't really take much to get tired and quit the game after you realize all the bs systems DE creates are always boring, tedious farms accompanied by lots of bugs.
Once you lose the desire to hunt that new shiny weapon/warframe it's pretty easy to quit. Doesn't even have to be out of frustration but simply because it got boring, lost its charm or you just don't care enough about it anymore
I wish this system was in Warframe when I ran Cassini over 100 times to get Kuva Nukor...
In other news, game full to the brim with powercreep becomes even easier.
I have no problem with not getting the desired weapon (if i knew them). Finished my fist kuva lich today after way over a year with not getting the right mod, just to find out that i need a railjack thing now to get it. Turned out nobody was playing railjack all the evening, nobody i could join, nothing. Stuck again, still no weapon.
before this qol change, my first kuva larvling gave me the brama. the second one gave me the zarr. first sister gave me the cycron. second sister gave me the arca plasmor. rngesus loves me.
Good change. No more seeing the same weapon 4 times in a row from lich generation :D
An unneeded change when there are many many other broken things in the game that need attention
At least appreciate it exists instead of seeing something positive from the game, ignoring it and complaining about the game (I'm not saying things don't need to be fixed, it's just if you only focus on the negatives you'll never be satisfied)
Thanks for this.
I have gotten weirdly lucky with liches. First one ever was nukor and my second one was bramma and my third one was another toxin nukor xD i did get a hek and grattler after that which i wasn’t trying for but I got the two best kuva weaps before I even knew how good they were lol. If only my tenet grind was going that way... hopefully this pity system makes it less painful. I have only had the patience to do one sister since they came out.
This sort of system should be implemented in other areas if you ask me. Warframe/Weapon components from Bosses for example, while being a much smaller pool of items (3 usually, 8 for Equinox) can still be frustrating for newer players, especially since the chances aren't a straight 3-way split. (In case you didn't know, Bosses with Warframe components as a drop typically have around 22% chance for the systems, instead of a balances 33%, meaning the expected amount of runs it takes is 6-7 instead of 3)
There are, however, some areas where I think it ISNT a good idea to implement this, or at least not in the same way. Relics for instance have multiple rewards, but a squad of 4 players with the same relics might all be after different components from those relics, so it wouldn't be a good fit. Arcanes are one that could fit with a modified system, where instead of removing the received Arcane from the pool, it reduces the chances any Arcanes you have *maxed out* from the pool, without removing them entirely for the same of trading and the like.
Can we get a “what weapon takes the longest to farm” for example the sibear and it 30,000 cryotic requirement
I think there is no need for the yellow line. If I'm farming for a specific kuva or tenet, I'd just take the first one and start rejecting till I find the one I want. Just ad 1 extra run to the red line and that's it because taking any kuva/tenet resets the pool
The yellow line represents a worst case scenario for everybody not just you
I was lucky enough to get the Zarr on my first run
Except that I'm not good or stacked enough to get it...
I wish they would do something like this for ephemeras.
I wish there was a way to see if the larving would spawn an ephemera. That's the most frustrating one
Then the price of it would drop, so not worth farming for them then.
@@proximityclockworkx1572 huh they're not tradable (ok nevermind they are)
@@samarkand1585 Yes they are you trade the lich then the person kills it
@@samarkand1585 The lich/sister is though so if you've converted one, you can sell the ephemera
@@samarkand1585 They are and they get a premium especially if it has a good weapon with it.
This is especially significant for tenet weapons, because you have to specifically do a 25 kill minigame against annoying flying enemies that you have to double tap to kill (oh, and the level up midfight). It also requires an expendable item for entry, and that item requires you to at least stick around for 5 minutes in a capture mission.
My biggest issue with this still remains EMPHEREAS....no sister ones have spawned yet
i welcome this update with open arms, having farmed larvlings more than once with unlucky streaks ranging from 25-85 unsuccessful runs...
Wish they would fix the lich ephermera percent possibility as well
I swear I keep getting the same kuva weapon over 8 runs. The chances of this are insane but annoying. Almost got all weapons except the kuva bramma which never showed up once
This is like the greatest gacha system ever implemented than any pity-based gacha system
"max runs is 37 if you accidentally reject what you want" just run the next weapon that spawns, a lich takes about 10 missions to kill if you use an Oull charge.
Yo I was just thinking about this yesterday. You're a lifesaver man
Honestly I was fine doing a capture mission for up to 3 hours for the weapon I want
Imagine if they had this system in the relic rewards.
i wish. i ran well over 100 radiant lith n11's for nezha prime chassis