Piccolo/Soprano Trombone Mashup
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2015
- This video is a mashup of my Piccolo and Soprano Trombones. My experiments on the hunt to find the mythical Eb 'Sopranino' Trombone.
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8th position on a real trombone does exist. There's slim chance of recovering from it though, and often results in dented or damaged slides.
How?
Sans the Skeleton there are only 7. But what hes saying is the outer slide is in no was connected to the inner slide, so if you go too far, too fast youll send ur outer slide flying into whatever is in front of you
just make it exist have an 8 foot wingspan and increase the range :P
8th position does technically exist, but it is only feesable by going to the very end of the slide and lipping the note down a bit.
8:18 saying Sopranino made his head evaporate
The 1st one is a piccosoprano. The 2nd one is a sopriccolo.
sopriccolo is really fun to say
Sopriccolo sounds like an italian food
Both of these are absolutely hilarious in completely different ways. One has a comically short slide and one has a comically long slide
call it the "Special Beam Cannon"
Actually, G# is a pretty excellent pitch for a trombone. Most alto trombones are in Eb (add 1 flat vs tenor). A soprano slide with piccolo bell in Ab is a perfect 4th above the Alto. For transposition purposes this is another (add 1 flat vs alto) transposition. This is an extremely useful instrument with enough positions to satisfy a competent musician. This is unquestionably more practical and easy to learn than a soprano or piccolo, which will leave the user with slide disengaged during a performance. My alto P-bone has left me hanging multiple times reaching for a 7th position that wasn't really there.
I contacted Matthias Höfs, and it is a custom Sopranino in F made by Karl Mönnich in Erlbach, Germany.
Chad Horsley Thanks for that. I always though Sopraninos are in Eb :)
Yes, must are. I think that one was made with that piece in mind, or at least that is my guess. I also have an almost complete collection. Pic,sop, alto, tenor, bass. Nice to meet one of the few others that has one of these little guys. :)
+Trent Hamilton U cud call it the sopriccolo trombone
I believe the "Useless and Stupid Foosey & Co Bugle" is in the key of F sharp when played with a normal trumpet mouthpiece, as I own one of those myself and have seen what its fundamental is.
With the soprano slide and piccolo bell (G#/Ab) you could read Ab clarinet music. Probably hard to find but it must exist somewhere.
Sorry to be a stickler! But that's actually not how trombone players read music. Keep in mind that the fundamental pitch of a Tenor and a Bass trombone is the same note, a Bb. The bass simply has a larger bore size and bigger mouthpiece. And even though our fundamental pitch is Bb, we are taught to read in concert pitch, C. Trombone is not a transposing instrument!
It really stinks. When a trombone player picks up an alto trombone or a soprano trombone, we are required to transpose and/or relearn how to read EVERYTHING.
Orchestral music is written in bass, tenor, and alto clefs, so trombone players are universally expected to read 3 clefs + many ledger lines in each clef. I am not joking when I say it feels like we are always being tested. And alto trombone players would also need to be able to read music in bass, tenor, and alto clef. Bass, because it is the most common. Tenor and alto because composers were trying to get the trombone section to shut up and pay attention so they switch back and forth just to screw with us. We deserve it. We are always the most immature musicians in the orchestra.
It is an extremely unforgiving process to learn alto and soprano trombone. And sadly, there is not much range to be gained. An alto trombone is typically pitched a perfect 4th above a tenor. It is safe to say that a trombone player will easily gain 5 notes of range on top when switching to an alto with a smaller mouthpiece, but only at the expense of dozens of notes in the low range. But while an alto trombone rarely makes useful, pleasant sounds in the lower ranges, it makes a very special, very beautiful trombone/flugelhorn/trumpet mix of sonority in the correct range. I bought my alto trombone to use for jazz. So far, it does exactly what it says on the tin.
@@drmikegallant A lot of brass bands read in treble clef, trombones included, and that saves you from having the majority of those issues. However, I understand your pains a lot, as I learned in Bass Clef and I regularly read in both. Tenor clef confuses the sh*t out of me though, I won’t lie
7:05 I actually have arms longer than the usual so i would be fine with an 8th position. The reason I play the trombone is because its got the slide and because I dont struggle to reach 7th position other people in my band class
Ha ha! The sound at 5:33, comedy gold!!!
Just call them:
"The very useless but somewhat unique pair of trombone hybrids that play in awful keys"
XD
@Trent: The Moravian album “Music for All Seasons” features a sopranino trombone in Eb. There was a picture of it in the liner notes.
You're a great explainer! I'm not a trombone player, which makes it all the more impressive that I thought your video fascinating. Well done!
A mezzosoprano trombone
We did it. We found the sopranino trombone
Sickolo.
Very good
Call it a fruit loop
FL Studio
I believe the video he was talking about is called ensemble de trombones, your welcome.
You should try to play a tuba with a trumpet mouthpiece. It makes a... noise.
@5:22 it's major third not a perfect third
Honestly, as far down the sock as he's playing to achieve that note, a perfect third is probably a better description, even if we don't really use that interval anymore.
Update: I went searching and can't find information on a perfect third anywhere. My recollection from my music degree over a decade ago is that a perfect third is a now defunct interval that was used long ago. It was a flat major third that was halfway between the root and fifth, I believe in just intonation. That would put the fifth at 3:2 (1.5:1) and the perfect third at the square root of it, (sqrt 1.5):1, or about 1.225:1. It might have been synonymous with a just major third at 5:4 (1.25:1). Comments welcome on either side, confirming this, or telling me I'm crazy. :/
it's a proper trumpet, with a slide as god intended.
8:16 when he says soprinino the camera flipped out
You're a musical Dr Frankenstein!
Sorprillo bone for those wondering what the very last horn featured is in that video. I hear it's pitched in f, but Eb would work.
They're so cute!!!!!
A few moments later part was hilarious
Its a monster
5:22 ‘perfect third’ 😂
I jammed the slid of my alto trombone into the bell of a tenor P-bone and got a trombone with fundamental C. So you can play the white keys on a piano with it! :)
I don't know why but 5:24 - 5:35 made me laugh so hard.
Soprano bell with with piccolo slide: Sopracilo Trombone. Vice-versa- Piccano Trombone.
Ideas:
Contrabass with piccolo slide
Piccolo with contrabass slide
Piccolo mouthpiece on contrabass
Contrabass mouthpiece on piccolo
The piccolo/soprano bore is wildly different from that of even a tenor trombone, let alone a contrabass. Thus the slides do not fit into each other. The piccolo mouthpiece is just a trumpet mouthpiece, which doesn't really fit, but I believe Trent has a video on.
@@billygarvey633 twas a joke, my guy
"a piccolo soprano sopranino bass trombone in F"
bro make up your mind
either the pirano or soccolo trombone
I call the Soprano bell with the Picolo slide a Socolo Horn.
The picolo bell with soprano slide will be a Pracoltone Horn.
There has been a case made for a "semi-contrabassoon" in F or G, between the bassoon and contrabassoon. Could there perhaps be a case for a "sopranino trombone", or perhaps a "baritone trombone" in F or Eb, which could be an alto trombone with bass trombone-like triggers or a bass trombone pitched a fourth or fifth lower?
Where did you get your piccolo trombone? If you don't mind me asking.
he says "f" like eeff
The 1st trombone is the Soprano Trombone in F#, the 2nd one is the Piccolo Trombone in G#
That must be a "ticklesop" trombone!
you can call the soprano slide one The babybelle trombone
Sopranino trombone and Sextant trombone!
The trouble is (and I have this with my Jupiter Soprano as well) is they sound like slide trumpets, and not trombones. I strongly believe this is because we don't have proper mouthpieces designed for trombones, but have to use trumpet mouthpieces. We need deeper cup mouthpieces. Maybe with a larger choke. I'm thinking there along the lines of how a 1-1/2GM sounds different from a 1-1/2G on a bass trombone.
There are Trombone-to-Trumpet hybrid mouthpieces that exist. Chason's music seems to be the most popular for those types of mouthpieces (they're the company that made the mouthpiece that Wycliffe Gordon uses.)
names based on bell section and then slide section
Sopriccolo and Piccoprano
Could you try a clarinet mouthpiece on a piccolo trumpet and/ or some other brass instruments?
Yoooo we got the siccolo trombone
The piccolo bell instrument is a soprillo and the soprano bell is a countersoprano
hey! i love your channel. i have a request. could you pleas do a soprano/piccolo slide ( either or) on a bass trombone( if possible) please
Unfortunately it won't fit. These instruments are easy to combine because they have the same bore.
Trent Hamilton won't some good Ol' plumbers tape work?
yup
You're bonkers! (in a good way). Where'd you get those things?
G bugles only have 4 positions so the trombone with the piccolo slide and soprano bell should be able to play older drum and bugle corps repertoire.
Very interesting video! I am thinking if the mouthpiece didn't stick out so far from the slide you might have enough to make the piccolo in A instead of G# and the soprano in G instead of F#... Just a thought. Also - isn't the alto trombone in e flat?
Sopriccolo and Piccorano trombones
Bingo Music: Soprano Trombone
And Polar Music: KW Tuba
Coming Soon To Oct 13
I think the fundamental for the second concoction is in Db not Ab
their mouthpieces look like trumpet mouthpieces
what is the screw on the piccolo slide
Can you do a video on every instrument that you have (If you haven't already)
What brand(s) are those piccolo & soprano trombones? And the tuner?
if you had an e flat trombone you could play sax parts on it without transposing. that could be useful if your arrangement requires a sax, but you only have trombonists available.
Alto trombones are in Eb
Looks like a bugle, but a trombone
Sopriccolophone and Piccanophone?
The porano trombone & the sicolo trombone
I recently got a piccolo trombone and its kinda dirty, do you clean it the same as a regular Tenor?
Sopranino trombone, as piccolo is sopranissimo
Piccolo/normal trombone trombone mashup
I just had a dream I tried to play a Soprano trombone and failed miserably, to my surprise.
if you added an inch of tubing you would get a piccolo, soprano, sopranino, bass trombone in F. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH i laughed when he said bass trombone
Does anyone know how to play piccolo trombone or know where I can find out how to play piccolo trombone
There is such thing a a sopranino trombone in Eb, but not by the method you are attempting here.
Picoprano trombone and sopranicollo
Maybe you could try the slide on your G Bass on a small tenor?
Valve less trumpet looks like a fugle horn with no valves
By perfect 3rd he meant major 3rd since a 3rd is not a perfect interval.
I'd call it the Piccrano trombone.
Sopranino trombone
"A few moments later"
Sub-Piccolo trombone in Eb? That's my guess.
Giovanni Lacala .nah that would be a sopranino in Eb
Do contrabass trombone slide and piccolo trombone bell
That creation would be an F sopranino trombone
Sopriccolo and Altoprano
Hi - got some information for you that might help - yes there IS a Sopranino Trombone - though as the article says - they are extremely rare but they Do exist. Also, should we not use the term Soprano for the Soprano in Eb, and the term Treble for the Soprano in Bb, to be a bit more accurate? Any way - here is the link to the article:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_trombone#Sopranino_and_piccolo_trombones
The video in the description for the sopranino trombone does not work
The micro trombone
Picrano trombone
THAT VIDEO IS PRIVATE!!
you could call it the spriccolo trombone
It is a Flugalbone!
7 positions isn't enough when you can experience the rare eighth position.
Trent, have you ever thought of buying a Superbone and reviewing it
The siccilo trombone the 1st one
Soprillo trombone
Hey trent. If i upload a video of my own trombone playing would you be willing to evaluate me? I would play on my conn 88h.
I play a vintage conn 88h bass trombone too. Nice horn. I earned a lot of awards and scholarships with it!
Picprano Trombone! 0:48
Sopranino Trobone
How much dose a piccolo trombone cost? and where would I get it?
Where do you have the piccolo trombone from? I'm seaching for one, but the only serious offer I found was the German Thein, but this one is very expensive…
I contacted a supplier on Alibaba.
Sopriccolo and Picrano
does it works with a trumpet mouthpice?