I was waiting on your review before I jumped all in… and here we are. We are selling all of our apelabs, or make of them… and picking up these. What a game changer.
Daryl, Bret Gash here I'm friends with Brian T. I really like this video. Very clear and easy to follow. I'd like to come shadow you at a gig sometime soon and see these in person. I love all your gig set ups.
that is a fantastic set!!! and the magnet mounts are an awesome idea!! what I did was to get automotive magnet mounts just cause I'm a bit OCD with the vibration and them falling off. also them being so tiny makes them inconspicuous to curious hands
You can have one IR4 be a master for all of the other IR4s, and then have one titan tube be a master for all of the other tubes. That's probably the best workflow with no DMX
You mentioned they are able to be DMX'd and I think I saw a signal icon on the screen. If you're using the Donner-type dongles, do you have the ability to link the Donner signal to connect to the IR4?
Hi Daryl, I've been following you on UA-cam for a long time, I really like your videos. As a result, I recently bought a set of Bothlighting IR4 and Soundswitch with Control One. I would like to ask for your help, because I can't control them via DMX! /Everything is fine with the other lights: ADJ Focus Spot 4Z, ADJ Element Hexip, Cameo Par6./ The Soundswitch settings and management are correct. I probably don't set the IR4 right, they don't communicate with the Wifi beacon. What am I setting wrong? Thanks, Norbert
Thank you for your response, are you talking about wirelles dmx? If yes, I am using these ones, but I am not sure how I could connect all pars and moving head lights to the program
Great information. I'm a rookie, so i have a question. When you have so many lights (IR-4) and using a DMX Controller like SS, do you just program 1 light to your DMX Controller and master/slave the rest? or do create program each light to its own set of channels? Thanks
When you master slave them, you essentially make the master be the transmitter. Its better to have each light share the same DMX address than master slave. My show has 6 unique addresses
@@DJDarylBennett hi , im a bit confused. when you put them in master slave if i got it right, you control the first light , the master, with the control and all the rest of them in slave will follow what the master is doing , correct? now, when you said it's better each light share the same dmx address but then say you have 6 unique addresses , that got me lost. lets say first light is number 001, what do you do with the other 39 lights? leave all of them in 001? or you put for example 5 lights in 001, then 5 lights in 011, 5 lights in 021, etc? like spliting the dmx per number of fixtures? to be clear, i still have the wired old models and im looking to buy some lights with wireless dmx but they are so expensive, like 2/3k for 10 lights. these for 600 sounds amazing, even though they dont appear to be very bright, the color dies in your video about 1m above the floor. but the price point is amazing and enough for weddings up to 100 ppl id say. thanks
Hey Daryl, thank you for all your educational material! I have a question. I got the Soundswitch micro dmx cable...can I use my Donner Wireless to communicate via soundswitch with the Both mini uplights? or is it a different protocol?
Hi. How’s your buying experience from them, did it came with no defects, if there was, was it easy to contact them for replacement? I am planning to get 8 pcs of this but just worried if how easy there customer service just in case there is a problem with them when they arrive.
I bought 40 IR4's and none of them had defects. I can't promise that you wouldn't get any defects. They have a 1-year warranty. Customer service is about as good as a Chinese company can be, but it's not going to be Amazon level of support.
@DJDarylBennett I measured 4 of the soft cases that in total hold 20 lights. The dimensions seem to be a perfect fit for the pelican. It seems like I could skip the foam and use the Pelican 1615 with 4 bags of lights. Is there any chance you can confirm this?
Thanks for the video. The earlier version would not allow the use of the the Remote while in Master Mode and with the add of the digital read out this sounds like a great improvement. Question, will a a Master Both control my Rockville RFs. I recently purchased.
That's a great question to ask Both Lighting Direct! But from looking at their website, it looks like they'd ship from the California warehouse, if they're in stock.
In the back of the manual, they claim about 20 hours on a single color and 6-8 with mixed. I've had them on for 10 hours for a gig and they had battery left over.
Rockville white labels Both lighting products, but as of right now they don't have the IR versions for sale, only the RF which I don't recommend if you're wanting to DMX them.
I received them and have them all about figured out. I set them on master/slave and they work great. Can you tell me how to shut off the IR to the slaves so you don't accidentally make them masters? Thank you
Thank you! Yes I do. I use a donner dongle, set these on DMX mode and that's basically all there is to it! I can make a quick video next time I set them up
As someone that bought a few set of apes… I agree. I’m moving to these as well. The fact that they don’t work easily with DMX and need an entire different round of gear.
@@DJDarylBennett For my uses, they are merely accent lighting and i can not use them as totem lights or uplights are they are noticeably dimmer. Love the size and wireless dmx tho.
They're excellent units. So inexpensive, cases are nice and light, and you can fully map them in Soundswitch. So far been using them in M/S mode due to internal antennas. Also, easily fit 5 lights per bag. No need for a protective case like a pelican. Theyre well protected in the bags. Love mine.
They truly are awesome! Personally I am using the pelican case for convenience and because they were laying around in my garage. I find it more convenient to have two cases of 20 rather than 8 cases of 5. But just my preference!
Uplights are often too bright, so brightness is not what I look for in the specs. Battery life is more important and the ability to dim all lights simultaneously during the event when it gets darker.
Nice but I think the phrase "game changer" is thrown around too much. A game changer is if your wife leaves you or you get married, have a kid or get hospitalized with an ailment ---something like that is a game changer. Up lighting changes the game very little as your clients wouldn't know the difference. Peace everyone!
It's definitely a game changer in the world of uplighting, it terms of design and accessibility for mobile DJs. It's definitely is a current market disrupter
@@DJDarylBennett the last real honest to God game changer was when Virtual DJ came out with stem control. Any hack dj now with even with a remote sense of rhythm can mix together songs like never before. Unless up lights start including an anti-theft device, they are just up lights. ua-cam.com/video/eqKc2RbXE90/v-deo.html
@@oldschooldjernie sure that was a game changer for mixing but this is a game changer for uplighting and mobile lighting design in general. Two different games
I like you Darryl you seems like a nice guy but in your vlogs it looks like you're getting out of control buying stuff like this other blogger who keeps on upgrading his speakers every 3 months. Start saving your money this dj work isn't going to last forever. Peace.
Finally ordered thanks again for what you do!
Awesome! I hope you enjoy these as much as I have!
These uplights are amazing!! I really think they are the best combo of price and uplight product out there!
Agreed!
I was waiting on your review before I jumped all in… and here we are. We are selling all of our apelabs, or make of them… and picking up these. What a game changer.
Hoorah! Happy for you man. I definitely think that it's a no brainer between these and the ape labs maxi
@@DJDarylBennett Just ordered 60 lights through your link, can't wait to get them in service!
@@ZykoMike that's amazing! I hope they help your company out. Thank you for ordering thru the link.
Daryl, Bret Gash here I'm friends with Brian T. I really like this video. Very clear and easy to follow. I'd like to come shadow you at a gig sometime soon and see these in person. I love all your gig set ups.
Hey Bret! I've talked with you before at least via video when I visited Brian. Thanks for watching! You're welcome to come whenever
Hi Daryl
What is the cost of replacement rechargeable batteries for the these IR4 light?
Thanks
that is a fantastic set!!! and the magnet mounts are an awesome idea!! what I did was to get automotive magnet mounts just cause I'm a bit OCD with the vibration and them falling off. also them being so tiny makes them inconspicuous to curious hands
Thank you so much for the great info you always provide! I’m curious to know how much import duties and taxes cost and how those have to be paid.
Good question!
Hi Daryl
Is there any way of linking the IR4s up with the Titan Tubes without SoundSwitch?
You can have one IR4 be a master for all of the other IR4s, and then have one titan tube be a master for all of the other tubes. That's probably the best workflow with no DMX
So if you use the IR remote, you need a direct line of site to 1 light, then that "master" light transmits the signal to RF to the rest of the lights?
Yeah like that, except it's a different wireless signal being sent out, not RF
Thank you, great review! Can the battery turn off from the setting like the s6?
Did the old ones reach the ceiling I don’t like how they don’t it looks like
Yeah they did, especially for taller walls
@@DJDarylBennett sorry meant do the new ones in comparison.
Informative video, and nice setup in the video of the event. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Good review. I imported mine direct from China and it was a quick and very easy process.
Thank you. It truly is a very easy process!
How long did it take for them to ship?
@@bfields112 Within a week in my case
I'm glad I found this channel
Thank you for watching!
Hi…..I didn’t see it, but I have the most time link my lighting system with donner’s is they able to connect to the donner signal?
Yes they are
Sorry rookie here.. but how would you connect it to sound switch?
Great question! Check out my video tomorrow, where I go over connecting to a different both light, it's a very similar process
@@DJDarylBennett thank u..
I have the freedom hex.. looking to get rid of it. I like the fact u can fit 20 in a case. Freedom hex can only fir 6 in a case 😅
I'm planning to use them with chauvet dfi TX. Are they compatible?
No they are not, you still need a normal wireless dmx transmitter like chinly or donner
Where I can get those magnets?
The magnets come standard when you buy these.
You mentioned they are able to be DMX'd and I think I saw a signal icon on the screen. If you're using the Donner-type dongles, do you have the ability to link the Donner signal to connect to the IR4?
Yes
Hi Daryl,
I've been following you on UA-cam for a long time, I really like your videos. As a result, I recently bought a set of Bothlighting IR4 and Soundswitch with Control One.
I would like to ask for your help, because I can't control them via DMX! /Everything is fine with the other lights: ADJ Focus Spot 4Z, ADJ Element Hexip, Cameo Par6./
The Soundswitch settings and management are correct. I probably don't set the IR4 right, they don't communicate with the Wifi beacon.
What am I setting wrong?
Thanks,
Norbert
What wireless DMX hardware are you using?
@@DJDarylBennett Eurolite QuickDMX wireless transmitter 2.4 GHz. With 4 receivers.
Are these lights able to work with SoundSwitch? If so, do you have a tutorial on how they will work etc?
They do work with soundswitch! They work just like any other light, you just need a wireless dmx transmitter
One more question, can I control 4 pcs of moving heads and these lights on lightrider dmx?
Yes. You'll need a wireless dmx transmitter.
Thank you for your response, are you talking about wirelles dmx? If yes, I am using these ones, but I am not sure how I could connect all pars and moving head lights to the program
Great information. I'm a rookie, so i have a question. When you have so many lights (IR-4) and using a DMX Controller like SS, do you just program 1 light to your DMX Controller and master/slave the rest? or do create program each light to its own set of channels? Thanks
When you master slave them, you essentially make the master be the transmitter. Its better to have each light share the same DMX address than master slave. My show has 6 unique addresses
@@DJDarylBennett hi , im a bit confused. when you put them in master slave if i got it right, you control the first light , the master, with the control and all the rest of them in slave will follow what the master is doing , correct? now, when you said it's better each light share the same dmx address but then say you have 6 unique addresses , that got me lost. lets say first light is number 001, what do you do with the other 39 lights? leave all of them in 001? or you put for example 5 lights in 001, then 5 lights in 011, 5 lights in 021, etc? like spliting the dmx per number of fixtures? to be clear, i still have the wired old models and im looking to buy some lights with wireless dmx but they are so expensive, like 2/3k for 10 lights. these for 600 sounds amazing, even though they dont appear to be very bright, the color dies in your video about 1m above the floor. but the price point is amazing and enough for weddings up to 100 ppl id say. thanks
Hi will the wolfmix and chauvet d fi xlr work these
Yes they will
Hey Daryl, thank you for all your educational material! I have a question. I got the Soundswitch micro dmx cable...can I use my Donner Wireless to communicate via soundswitch with the Both mini uplights? or is it a different protocol?
I see now you said you do connect to the Donner....do these frequency skip til it finds the transmitter?
Yup! Same protocol. They need to be on the same color (which determines the frequency)
Amazing video man. I can’t believe you mount them vertically with the magnet. Are they that lightweight? Wow they’re definitely a game changer
Yeah they're only a couple of pounds!
Does the case come with the inserts, the protective sponge thingy?
The hard case comes with foam, the soft case is padded
Can these be used as wash/dance floor lights?
Definitely!
How long does it take for the lights to ship?
They are pretty quick
@@DJDarylBennett I wanted to order from Rick Webb, but the China versions are much cheaper
How well do these work with sound switch?
Incredibly, check out some of the recent gig logs
Hi. How’s your buying experience from them, did it came with no defects, if there was, was it easy to contact them for replacement? I am planning to get 8 pcs of this but just worried if how easy there customer service just in case there is a problem with them when they arrive.
I bought 40 IR4's and none of them had defects. I can't promise that you wouldn't get any defects. They have a 1-year warranty. Customer service is about as good as a Chinese company can be, but it's not going to be Amazon level of support.
Thank you for replying. The video is awesome, very helpful. Keep doing what you doing and more power!
What foam is that in the case? Is it the same foam it comes with?
Yes, it comes with standard pluck n pull foam
@DJDarylBennett I measured 4 of the soft cases that in total hold 20 lights. The dimensions seem to be a perfect fit for the pelican. It seems like I could skip the foam and use the Pelican 1615 with 4 bags of lights. Is there any chance you can confirm this?
Thanks for the video. The earlier version would not allow the use of the the Remote while in Master Mode and with the add of the digital read out this sounds like a great improvement.
Question, will a a Master Both control my Rockville RFs. I recently purchased.
Another great video keep up the good work
Thanks 👍
Hello! Are they shipped from China or a USA warehouse? I live in Los Angeles, what’s the estimated shipping days ?
That's a great question to ask Both Lighting Direct! But from looking at their website, it looks like they'd ship from the California warehouse, if they're in stock.
Hi Mate - any idea how long they will last on a single chanrge ?? For me that’s the most important question best regards
In the back of the manual, they claim about 20 hours on a single color and 6-8 with mixed. I've had them on for 10 hours for a gig and they had battery left over.
Big Question, Do it have UV light? I will definitely get if it in my collection.
Yes it does
Red green blue amber white and uv
Great video!
Thanks!
Great video! With their internal antennas, how was the connection from your table for the lights placed on the other end of the ballroom?
Fantastic. Never noticed a delay
Thanks for watching! 😁
@@DJDarylBennett amazing. Might need to sell my BO-S6's!
Keeping my both S6 but gonna pick up 16 of these in white
Just made a purchase through your link for 16 lights with PayPal. What’s the average delivery days to Southern California ?
Congrats and thank you! Depends if they're in stock in their California warehouse or not. It could be under week up to 14-days.
Are you happy eith the purchase? What about battery life?
Are they the same as rockville?
No, these are similar but are ir controller and DMX address can be set
Rockville white labels Both lighting products, but as of right now they don't have the IR versions for sale, only the RF which I don't recommend if you're wanting to DMX them.
I ordered these lights it doesn't say how long before they arrive
@@dennyussery1021 you can message them and they can give you an update or shipping info
I received them and have them all about figured out. I set them on master/slave and they work great. Can you tell me how to shut off the IR to the slaves so you don't accidentally make them masters? Thank you
I love your videos. Thx. Do you connect those uplight to soundswitch? If yes, how do you connect it for wireless DMX? Keep on the good work !
Thank you! Yes I do. I use a donner dongle, set these on DMX mode and that's basically all there is to it! I can make a quick video next time I set them up
I have a chinly dongle will that work as well?
Hey Daryl, how does the functionality work with W-DMX?
They only have a built-in receiver for normal wireless DMX
What wireless transmitter do you use to transmit from Soundswitch to these? Will these work with the donner transmitters?
@@jamesepright404 yes I use donner transmitters
Lets be honest. The ape labs stuff is way over priced. Glad someone called them out on it. They are gonna lose a lot of sales
The musikmode is probably a little better than sound active mode, but idk if it's that much better to justify 5x the price
@@DJDarylBennett agreed
As someone that bought a few set of apes… I agree. I’m moving to these as well. The fact that they don’t work easily with DMX and need an entire different round of gear.
@@ZykoMike i’m interested in buying some used ape labs maxis and sticks if you’re selling.
The size is the only plus with these lights, they are 50-60 percent dimmer. Glad I only bought 4
They are dimmer for sure, but I felt like they were bright enough for mobile DJ work in most situations
@@DJDarylBennett For my uses, they are merely accent lighting and i can not use them as totem lights or uplights are they are noticeably dimmer. Love the size and wireless dmx tho.
They're excellent units. So inexpensive, cases are nice and light, and you can fully map them in Soundswitch.
So far been using them in M/S mode due to internal antennas.
Also, easily fit 5 lights per bag. No need for a protective case like a pelican. Theyre well protected in the bags.
Love mine.
They truly are awesome! Personally I am using the pelican case for convenience and because they were laying around in my garage. I find it more convenient to have two cases of 20 rather than 8 cases of 5. But just my preference!
How long battery lasts?
@@Markeviciuss Depends how you are using them.
Uplights are often too bright, so brightness is not what I look for in the specs. Battery life is more important and the ability to dim all lights simultaneously during the event when it gets darker.
Agreed
Nice but I think the phrase "game changer" is thrown around too much. A game changer is if your wife leaves you or you get married, have a kid or get hospitalized with an ailment ---something like that is a game changer. Up lighting changes the game very little as your clients wouldn't know the difference. Peace everyone!
It's definitely a game changer in the world of uplighting, it terms of design and accessibility for mobile DJs. It's definitely is a current market disrupter
@@DJDarylBennett the last real honest to God game changer was when Virtual DJ came out with stem control. Any hack dj now with even with a remote sense of rhythm can mix together songs like never before. Unless up lights start including an anti-theft device, they are just up lights. ua-cam.com/video/eqKc2RbXE90/v-deo.html
@@oldschooldjernie sure that was a game changer for mixing but this is a game changer for uplighting and mobile lighting design in general. Two different games
I like you Darryl you seems like a nice guy but in your vlogs it looks like you're getting out of control buying stuff like this other blogger who keeps on upgrading his speakers every 3 months. Start saving your money this dj work isn't going to last forever. Peace.
@@oldschooldjernie these are so affordable that I sold 30 of my other uplights, purchased 40 of these and made a small profit.