To clarify, I wish there were better alternatives for VRC. Competition makes innovation, and VRC now seems to care more for money than improving the experience. But when every alternative is garbage, it's all we got. I play VR to socialize, so without the population it's worthless. here's hoping for a better future.
honestly personally ive NEVER felt the feeling of "omg better than real life" and wanted to spend loads of time in vrc, i just havent met friends good enough to replace what i have in real life, leaving vrc is easy if i wanted to theres just no better alternatives for me to care enough about
Great video as always! Sometimes it feels like the appetite for a alternative the VRC is literally just looking for a clone of the VRC that is not owned by the same company doesn't have the same rules. I'm not as interested in this idea of an alternative I want to see if there's a different way to do social VR. Sadly the other apps and games just appear to not get the basic structure down, loading into worlds, having descent avatars, ease of use, a good UI etc. So whatever kind of creative spins and extra add on they offer become null and void :(
yea i kept posting on a lot of videos when EAC came out. that these people that are "boycotting vrchat" they are just going to come back to vrchat. Its a house hold name... nothing is going to stop people from coming back. I will be honest. the reason i come back is BECAUSE of my friends on vrchat. If all my friends suddenly decided to join Resonite (wishful thinking) trust me i'll leave vrchat and NEVER return. Sure the loading times suck in the game. but omg the amount you can do~ I feel like Resonite IS a vrchat killer but it will never been seen that way cause the player base doesn't seem to grow. But you're right i think once that frame rate and loading situation gets fixed it may be a contender but until then. its just going to be vrchat all day everyday.
I'd love to see you do a video on Resonite. The Virtual Reality Show did a video 2 months ago and seemed to have a much different experience than you. I'm not involved with andy VR communities but her video had me very interested. I've been binge watching your videos this weekend and have been loving your stuff. Thanks for tanking the time to document these weird virtual worlds.
You don't have to leave if you don't join in the first place. 🧠 I play VRC, Rec Room, Roblox. I think Roblox is also an alternative to VRC but it just lack voice chat unless you go through verification process. Roblox has expensive avatars that Rec Room lack.
This was real, I have noticed that everyone has changed since I started back in 2017. All the updates have been meh but hearing that they'll be recording us from now on? I mean I never did anything bad but it's just the thought of someone watching me while I'm supposed to be having fun and "free minded". I don't think I could shake the horrible feeling. Miss having friends on VRC
I'm sorry, but I said it once and I'll say it again. good riddance! most of those angry users who left after eac were *probably* malicious. ever since the eac update rolled out, public lobbies became like 98% more safe. I did not have to fear public anymore. that entire backlash was a MASSIVE overreaction. besides, the community legit asked vrchat to help out with malicious users for years. and when they finally addressed the issue, people got mad. just a huge bunch of immature children, I tell ya. eac made vrchat safe, and that's more important than some mod that lets you noclip or force clone avatars. sure the accessibility stuff was good and all, but people forget that vrchat was an unsafe hell hole for years before they introduced eac. Though I did NOT know about vrchat's breach of privacy. that's something I wish I knew about sooner, tbh. also, the whole "vbucks" thing isn't too bad. vrchat is free, and the devs needs to make money *somehow* but yeah, I've experienced this before myself. I've tried cvr, and neos, and rec room. and they all felt too alien to me. vrchat is practically like a second home to me, and I cannot give up on it. I've poured more time and effort into vrchat than I probably should have. thousands of hours, hundreds of avatars, 50 or so worlds.. goes nuts lol
I mean , the Social Credit has been in the game for a while , isn't that what the trusted level is? The more friends you add , the less reports you get, the more time you spend, the more trusted level you achieve...
I got upset by the TOS update, and not because I ERP. I genuinely find ERP super cringe and have not and will not do it. After that update, I tried out a few alternatives, starting with CVR. I've tried multiple other platforms since, and nothing even remotely comes close to the community in VRC. Banter is neat, but the performance is low, and like Rec Room, doesn't have the Avatar customization VRC does. Resonite is a pain in the ass to run at all, but has a TON of potential. If any of these alternatives got themselves a bigger community and team, they COULD rival VRC, but the fact of the matter is that VRC is pioneering a bunch of the social VR space, and the rest of the platforms are following suit.
neos vr sounded interesting but i did not know about the crypto stuff. damn. and yeah the size of the playerbase is definetly an issue in these other games.
i tried resonite walked into a table it pushed me back got more sick than i ever got playing vr while riding rollercoasters driving cars or flying jets never tuched it again why does resonite do that it feels so fucking wrong
Maybe there's already a video about it but I'd like to see you do a video on the in-game currency as I've never seen a real reason to buy VRchat+ outside of making a group. What is the currency even used for?
The Vrchat recording thing, Not 100% I need to ask a mod or dev who knows, but I think its only when you report or get reported it will send a file that have the data on so they can see what happened and who was in the world that will be it. not sending a live view of what your doing. not just sending it live or clips of 5 mins that would need a place to keep them and the network to do that and your upload, so image have OBS/SLOBS open and Streaming all that would have to be done live or in the background. and if your a streamer now you have your stream going out and a stream to VRChat servers. and some of us have 17 Upload so now Streaming and playing a online game might kill your bandwidth.
I love that CVR section very true, sucks you had terrible first experience but it is what it is. (Blame the majority of its existing player base staying in Privates for god know what reason). However I’m surprised how slow you were loading into stuff, for me it takes like a good 5 to 10 seconds from loading into one world to another. I wish CVR devs didn’t do stuff on “Valve Time” but when they do push stuff out it’s nothing but positive. Really what makes CVR horrible is the ppl who stays in Privates n the Low Player count, Chillout is far from dead but god does it look like it n feel like it at times. Otherwise it’s been my only platform and my most played game for like the past two years. The VR space like VRC n CVR needs competition, out of all the existing Platforms Chillout is the most developed (not counting Rec Room n VRC lol). CVR was complete garbage back then n was tolerable because of its modding community. It didn’t help that when EaC came and 1000+ ppl tried joining, the Devs were in middle of doing major updates which then pushed those very important update back. Now after quite a few updates CVR could easily handle what it was thrown (and alot of ways better than what VRC can do) but as you said, “It’s a Waste Land” xc I love CVR but god I wish ABI did something about the private lobbies situation xc
your take on chillout is very vague and immature you "tried" to play for like 5 mins probably you met yen hes always afk ever thought the load times are because you have shitty wifi? when did you get on cvr 6 am? ofc no one was on you say the purple fox is the black cat well duh but its also more optimized unlike vrc i suggest you spend a little more time here m8
Your missing the point. a Social game needs people. when there isn't enough it's worthless, no matter what the time of day is there should be people in a fucking social game. and don't get me started on how clunky and buggy that game is
Its a new ish game not to mention you treat it like the staff team is big a small dev team of under 10 ppl cant make the game what you want it to be clearly you aren't seeing the point because you know I'm right the section for chillout was a few minutes not to mention it was very immature sure its buggy but a small staff team can't do everything you want them to exactly how and when u want them to its as simple as that
@@kdogtheprotogen2716 bro that game is NOT NEW LMAO chillout has been around for many years now, while yes they have a small dev team, the game is still dead it has at most 100 people on a good day and thats being generous, why would anyone wanna go over there when it still lacks features that most people want and also lacks a very important part aka people, i could go on vrchat at any time of the day and meet thousands but if i have to go on chillout at a certain time to play with people thats just not fun, also what if hes in a different time zone that would mess with the times he gets on compared to the general player base.
@RGBWomble how unfortunate you meet quantity people over quality people the features you say we lack is oh who would have thought because the dev team is small you gotta think abt what it boils down to you're asking so much from something so small sure it's been around longer than vrchat but it is a vrc killer because it's everything vrc could have been and now that vrc is going downhill its up to cvr or resonite to replace it and I doubt resonite is going to
To clarify, I wish there were better alternatives for VRC. Competition makes innovation, and VRC now seems to care more for money than improving the experience. But when every alternative is garbage, it's all we got. I play VR to socialize, so without the population it's worthless. here's hoping for a better future.
honestly personally ive NEVER felt the feeling of "omg better than real life" and wanted to spend loads of time in vrc, i just havent met friends good enough to replace what i have in real life, leaving vrc is easy if i wanted to theres just no better alternatives for me to care enough about
Absolutely! There is no replacement for real life. When it comes to leaving vrc, most people I know just stopped playing.
Great video as always! Sometimes it feels like the appetite for a alternative the VRC is literally just looking for a clone of the VRC that is not owned by the same company doesn't have the same rules. I'm not as interested in this idea of an alternative I want to see if there's a different way to do social VR. Sadly the other apps and games just appear to not get the basic structure down, loading into worlds, having descent avatars, ease of use, a good UI etc. So whatever kind of creative spins and extra add on they offer become null and void :(
yea i kept posting on a lot of videos when EAC came out. that these people that are "boycotting vrchat" they are just going to come back to vrchat. Its a house hold name...
nothing is going to stop people from coming back. I will be honest. the reason i come back is BECAUSE of my friends on vrchat.
If all my friends suddenly decided to join Resonite (wishful thinking) trust me i'll leave vrchat and NEVER return. Sure the loading times suck in the game. but omg the amount you can do~
I feel like Resonite IS a vrchat killer but it will never been seen that way cause the player base doesn't seem to grow. But you're right i think once that frame rate and loading situation gets fixed
it may be a contender but until then. its just going to be vrchat all day everyday.
I really liked the anticheat cuz people use to crash worlds every 10 min lol
“we hope you enjoyed your stay” end song c’:
great video, loved it
Great video as usual Dera, keep em' coming
the quality of your videos is insane. keep doing what youre doing and youll blow up no problem. gave me a few laughs
I'd love to see you do a video on Resonite. The Virtual Reality Show did a video 2 months ago and seemed to have a much different experience than you. I'm not involved with andy VR communities but her video had me very interested. I've been binge watching your videos this weekend and have been loving your stuff. Thanks for tanking the time to document these weird virtual worlds.
Just realised something, you're an artist... Great video, man...
I still don’t understand how this guy only has 1k subs his content so good
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You don't have to leave if you don't join in the first place. 🧠
I play VRC, Rec Room, Roblox.
I think Roblox is also an alternative to VRC but it just lack voice chat unless you go through verification process.
Roblox has expensive avatars that Rec Room lack.
Epic and awesome video
This was real, I have noticed that everyone has changed since I started back in 2017. All the updates have been meh but hearing that they'll be recording us from now on? I mean I never did anything bad but it's just the thought of someone watching me while I'm supposed to be having fun and "free minded". I don't think I could shake the horrible feeling. Miss having friends on VRC
I'm sorry, but I said it once and I'll say it again. good riddance! most of those angry users who left after eac were *probably* malicious. ever since the eac update rolled out, public lobbies became like 98% more safe. I did not have to fear public anymore. that entire backlash was a MASSIVE overreaction. besides, the community legit asked vrchat to help out with malicious users for years. and when they finally addressed the issue, people got mad. just a huge bunch of immature children, I tell ya. eac made vrchat safe, and that's more important than some mod that lets you noclip or force clone avatars. sure the accessibility stuff was good and all, but people forget that vrchat was an unsafe hell hole for years before they introduced eac.
Though I did NOT know about vrchat's breach of privacy. that's something I wish I knew about sooner, tbh. also, the whole "vbucks" thing isn't too bad. vrchat is free, and the devs needs to make money *somehow*
but yeah, I've experienced this before myself. I've tried cvr, and neos, and rec room. and they all felt too alien to me. vrchat is practically like a second home to me, and I cannot give up on it. I've poured more time and effort into vrchat than I probably should have. thousands of hours, hundreds of avatars, 50 or so worlds.. goes nuts lol
Everyone who leaves comes back like the ex still talking to himself in my DMs ten years after the fact. 😂
No way he featured a world I made!! Awesome ;)
I mean , the Social Credit has been in the game for a while , isn't that what the trusted level is? The more friends you add , the less reports you get, the more time you spend, the more trusted level you achieve...
I got upset by the TOS update, and not because I ERP. I genuinely find ERP super cringe and have not and will not do it. After that update, I tried out a few alternatives, starting with CVR. I've tried multiple other platforms since, and nothing even remotely comes close to the community in VRC. Banter is neat, but the performance is low, and like Rec Room, doesn't have the Avatar customization VRC does. Resonite is a pain in the ass to run at all, but has a TON of potential.
If any of these alternatives got themselves a bigger community and team, they COULD rival VRC, but the fact of the matter is that VRC is pioneering a bunch of the social VR space, and the rest of the platforms are following suit.
I quit in September 2023 and sold my VR + FBT
Never looked back since then :)
see you soon
In resonite just go to a grid map with people in it and that loading screen you were in for 17 minutes you just had to walk out of it
It feels like people overreact so massively to literally every little change to VRChat lol
hold on THEY RECORD??? i didnt read the policy at all...
that makes me a porn star
Nothing but real
neos vr sounded interesting but i did not know about the crypto stuff. damn. and yeah the size of the playerbase is definetly an issue in these other games.
i cant find the movie code thingy anywhere
its in their discord.
i tried resonite
walked into a table
it pushed me back
got more sick than i ever got playing vr while riding rollercoasters driving cars or flying jets
never tuched it again
why does resonite do that it feels so fucking wrong
Maybe there's already a video about it but I'd like to see you do a video on the in-game currency as I've never seen a real reason to buy VRchat+ outside of making a group. What is the currency even used for?
Ill be covering it to an extent in the next video
The Vrchat recording thing, Not 100% I need to ask a mod or dev who knows, but I think its only when you report or get reported it will send a file that have the data on so they can see what happened and who was in the world that will be it. not sending a live view of what your doing. not just sending it live or clips of 5 mins that would need a place to keep them and the network to do that and your upload, so image have OBS/SLOBS open and Streaming all that would have to be done live or in the background. and if your a streamer now you have your stream going out and a stream to VRChat servers. and some of us have 17 Upload so now Streaming and playing a online game might kill your bandwidth.
I love that CVR section very true, sucks you had terrible first experience but it is what it is. (Blame the majority of its existing player base staying in Privates for god know what reason). However I’m surprised how slow you were loading into stuff, for me it takes like a good 5 to 10 seconds from loading into one world to another.
I wish CVR devs didn’t do stuff on “Valve Time” but when they do push stuff out it’s nothing but positive. Really what makes CVR horrible is the ppl who stays in Privates n the Low Player count, Chillout is far from dead but god does it look like it n feel like it at times. Otherwise it’s been my only platform and my most played game for like the past two years. The VR space like VRC n CVR needs competition, out of all the existing Platforms Chillout is the most developed (not counting Rec Room n VRC lol).
CVR was complete garbage back then n was tolerable because of its modding community. It didn’t help that when EaC came and 1000+ ppl tried joining, the Devs were in middle of doing major updates which then pushed those very important update back. Now after quite a few updates CVR could easily handle what it was thrown (and alot of ways better than what VRC can do) but as you said, “It’s a Waste Land” xc
I love CVR but god I wish ABI did something about the private lobbies situation xc
What about horizon worlds
goated channel
Roblox Voice chat.
Love how you make your biggest traumas and sad momentos of your life a joke, holy shit
Call me a hogrider, but i'll say it again, BASED DERA.
yooo just got banned from ur server. my bad for being weird man.
Wrong. i know people who left vrchat for chillout vr
a bunch of people did.. until the hype was over and 99% of the chillout vr playerbase went back lmao (ngl that included me)
@@pighaveryeah that’s pretty true
Bro I fucking love you Dera, you're so fucking funny and make great vids.
your take on chillout is very vague and immature you "tried" to play for like 5 mins probably you met yen hes always afk ever thought the load times are because you have shitty wifi? when did you get on cvr 6 am? ofc no one was on you say the purple fox is the black cat well duh but its also more optimized unlike vrc i suggest you spend a little more time here m8
Your missing the point. a Social game needs people. when there isn't enough it's worthless, no matter what the time of day is there should be people in a fucking social game. and don't get me started on how clunky and buggy that game is
Its a new ish game not to mention you treat it like the staff team is big a small dev team of under 10 ppl cant make the game what you want it to be clearly you aren't seeing the point because you know I'm right the section for chillout was a few minutes not to mention it was very immature sure its buggy but a small staff team can't do everything you want them to exactly how and when u want them to its as simple as that
@@kdogtheprotogen2716 bro that game is NOT NEW LMAO chillout has been around for many years now, while yes they have a small dev team, the game is still dead it has at most 100 people on a good day and thats being generous, why would anyone wanna go over there when it still lacks features that most people want and also lacks a very important part aka people, i could go on vrchat at any time of the day and meet thousands but if i have to go on chillout at a certain time to play with people thats just not fun, also what if hes in a different time zone that would mess with the times he gets on compared to the general player base.
@RGBWomble how unfortunate you meet quantity people over quality people the features you say we lack is oh who would have thought because the dev team is small you gotta think abt what it boils down to you're asking so much from something so small sure it's been around longer than vrchat but it is a vrc killer because it's everything vrc could have been and now that vrc is going downhill its up to cvr or resonite to replace it and I doubt resonite is going to
@kdogtheprotogen2716 nah man this is just cope at this point