DIMENSIONAL STORAGE ANNOUNCED! Does mercer sphere dimensional storage replace this system? Yes and no. It replaces the train/drone portion and the end sorting blueprint, but, based on what I could see in the teaser, I believe we will still need a way to remotely switch on and off what items get sent into dimensional storage. The remote item switch lives! (I think) lol
You'll be able to build as many dimensional storage container as you have mercer spheres. There are hundreds of mercer spheres available (numbers has been adjusted). You will be able to put one or many dimensional storage for each item at your production facilities. The more you have, the faster it will refill the dimensional storage. I think we'll be able to have every meaningful items go to dimensional storage. The question is whether the refill rate is adequate enough. If it doesn't refill quickly enough, we might still want to get some deliveries to outpost build sites i think.
Well, with the benefit of hindsight and information on 1.0, we can now see that the forward-moving logistics into player inventory has been reduced to functionally zero-length at the production source. Still one of the great examples of Sushi-belt FTW That said, the problem we now have is trash collection in the player inventory, as so much material gets pushed automatically into the DimDep and the is no prioritization or dedication for trash from the inventory. Most people would probably just build a dump bin that they may or may not return to, but there may be space for a back-loading logistics solution?
@@stephenschroeder2141 dont understand what you mean, there is a trash alternative in the inventory, u can remove things, just drag them from ur inventory, to the thrashcan in ur inventory. How have you completely missed the thrashcan in the inventory? xP
@@jonteberglund7365… and that deletes it from the game. Of course it’s there, but I want to use the things I make and not fire them into the void unnecessarily. Rather than unfaithfully representing what I said, do you have another hurdle or potential application of the video solution now that dim depots are in the game and have made logistics a zero-distance concern? (at least, at not more than 240 items per depot per minute, and 5-stack available capacity)
Sometimes the simplest of things can very easily be the easiest and most practical solutions to your problem set. Sometimes you don't need to overcomplicate things to solve complex problems. Just break it down into smaller components where each of those individual components (problems) are very easy and simple to solve or resolve. What do I mean by this? Think of a complex logical problem... With the use of the rules, properties, laws and tricks with Boolean Algebra we can take any complex problem and use them within the context of a procedural algorithm that utilizes concepts such as De Morgan's Laws, Implication Tables, and Karnaugh Maps through the use of Product of Sums and Sums of Products we can reduce that complex Boolean Expression (Function) down to its simplest of forms by removing any redundancies as well as removing any irrelevant information leaving us with the smallest expression possible with the least amount of terms that has an effect on the output(s) of the function based on its inputs. A bit similar yet a bit different... We do not need to calculate the slope of a given curve or function F(x) such as f(x) = x^5 - 3x^2 + 7 for every input and output pair to find it's slope at a given point. We can simply just differentiate this expression to be f'(x) = 5x^4 - 6x. Then we can apply the argument with the value of x at f(x) say 9 into the functions derivative to find the slope at that given point of the original curve. Therefor the slope of f(x) at F(9) is f'(9) = 5*9^4 - 6*9 = 32805 - 54 = 32751. Where the slope at F(2) would be: f'(2) = 5*2^4 - 6*2 = 80 - 12 = 68. If we add one to the second slope of F(x) we get 69. It's that simple.
I've got an updated version of this that I outline in another video. Link should be in the description of this video. I fix some of the issues with this design.
Absolutely genius design! I can't imagine how tedious the BP was to set-up though, there isn't even enough room to slide in those boxes! You got a member for sure, gonna use these in my save for now then figure out an alternate solution when I have more than 100 hours in game under my belt lmao
I really like this idea, and I think I'm going to build my own variant that uses packaged water as the "choke" item rather than iron ore. The switches would then control the packagers. When running, they would send the empty containers back to be refilled with the same water. It would have the disadvantage of needing to be "primed" but the advantage of not relying on a nearby resource node that's not already tapped and utilized. Thanks for the inspiration!
Dude you're like the third person to have that idea. Its a really good one. One person in my discord already posted some pics of his version. Its such a good idea, I'm sad I didn't think of it myself lol.
Just a warning to you both - my save is a trucks only and just 1 processing tower for everything (I call it my Tower of Babel since it's so ugly it's an affront to all the gods!) - and I truck crude oil to the main tower in packages and empties back and I am SURE the system loses the empties somewhere since every so often there are none left in the process! I trickle feed in empties to keep it going. Anyway good luck and I'd love to hear if you get it working! It could be a bug in the trucking inventory between saves though...
I know my setup works, I'm probably going to keep refining that. If someone wants to give a packaged version a try, it won't be me. 😀 But thanks for the info. I wonder if they are filling a storage somewhere.
@@commie2741 Do the same trucks carry full and empty canisters? If the flows aren't perfectly aligned, there's a chance empty containers end up in a buffer storage for full containers (and vice versa). If those end up in the upper portion of a container, the lower portion keeps filling up with full canisters and until the unpackers run out of those, you will never see them choke on empty cannisters. (I speak of experience :P)
This is beyond brilliant! The devs say they don’t want to add logic circuits to the game, and you say “hold my beer” and use this genius idea with smelters! Well done sir, and thanks for the guide!
@@Kinstruction shut up and take my money..! This is one of the if not the best satisfactory series i have found. Ofc scalti is a legend.. totalxcliose and kibitz are also up there.. but kinstruction is da new shit
...I would never have thought to use a smeltable item to "deactivate" a smart splitter via clogging. That's actually a really cool idea. I'm 160 hours into my first playthrough (U7, so no priority power switches) and so far _almost_ all of my builds have fit into a single inventory trip (todo-list everything, round up to full stacks, add a few extra stacks of concrete/steelbeams/silica for making it look pretty, and plenty of power lines and belt building materials), but this idea will probably come in handy by the time I have to start building the factories for the final Space Elevator parts.
Yea, I've certainly found it helpful for the mega builds in my main playthrough lol, but even larger factories it could be useful. Thanks for watching!
I would recommand a closed cirucit of packaging / unpackaging the water instead of iron ore. Regardless of that ,this is a great idea ! that has so many applications : thanks !
I've seen that suggestion before, and its a good one, was that you? lol Like anything in Satisfactory, this is just one solution of many. My goal was to get people thinking and that's happening for sure. 😁
@@Kinstruction It wasn't me, but your video surely inspired me ! Working with the packagers is a bit tricky but really compact: the whole lock can be placed on a 4x1 area ! I have a working prototype, i can send the blueprints if you want :)
This is a game changer and much appreciated for the great idea, Kin! I was so inspired by this video, I had to make my own blueprint for the delivery system. I have a monstrous but working 6 port version with 6 water packers and 3 water unpackers -closed loop with a small container of canisters rotating throughout; just add water and power.
I watched this entire video wondering if you had also discovered my system, but no, you've done it in a different(and more space efficient) way. I had a thought a while back that using a limestone node with the limestone being sinked, I could power on and off the sink and if I did my belting correctly(2 smart splitters, one gets clogged and the extra has to overflow elsewhere) then I could functionally make an item go down Belt A or Belt B based on a power switch. It was a thought in the back of my brain that I had never built, but using iron is smart! I assumed limestone was the best because it was the most available, but using iron means you can use smelters(much smaller and easier to work with) instead of sinks. And they're virtually the same in terms of availability. I've never seen anyone else use this idea before, I'm glad to see someone else has had this thought! Well done on the execution to boot.
Thanks. My first version used a sink as well. I agree, its horrible on space. I did one last version using packagers and drones. If you liked this one, you'll love that one. The video is linked in the description.
Brilliant idea. It does bring up a thought, maybe programmable splitters should be powered (but use only a few watts). Then you could remotely power them on and off. That would simplify this build massively and you wouldn't have to deal with the by-products.
The updated version of this blueprint is here! It includes drones, central storage and a closed loop packager system. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/12tvLlt-VRI/v-deo.html
Previously someone used an airport. Just need to put down a pad and request what you want from a stocked airport with everything available. Not going to stock as many materials quite as fast but you also don't need a train track and need only carry materials for a pad and you always have every item available. This is a great iteration on things that have been done but taking it to the next level. I agree with the water idea though, small blueprint in front of your building as an option. Just drop an inventory full of bottled water in a box and gtg.
yooo! this is awesome! having a way to "link" your warehouse to your inventory is such a fun challenge to tackle! the whole "pick your shipment contents" aspect of the priority switch/AWESOME Sink shenanigans is brilliant! I'm thinking: we can integrate this system into a drone delivery service too, makes the rail line requirement irrelevant! Tho its fair to point out that once you unlock drones, a central parts storage turns out to be obsolete, since you can just have a dedicated export / delivery drone port on each producing factory which would send you the parts wherever you need em. (bypassing a warehouse / mall / central storage) Still, if you had a parts warehouse already set up, implementing this parts picker system to fill up a drone port could mean you can have a drone bring you *just* the stuff you need in one trip (limited to the 9 slot / drone capacity tho) altho drones are unlocked much later than trains... so this definitely could be used earlier on to prevent the whole "oh cr*p, i forgor iron rods. now i gotta go all the way back to base" moments lol
Yes. For sure someone could use this system/blueprints with drones. I was going to talk about that but I forgot, so thank you for reminding me. The method you use to transport the items to you, belts, trains, trucks, drones, can be switched out to whatever makes the most sense for your situation. The hard part is having the control over which items to send, for how long, remotely. But yea, I look forward to switching this over to a drone setup in the future!
This is exactly what my friends and I have been discussing. I built a drone outpost that would sort items out for use on projects, but of course you'd need someone back home to stock the port. We got to wondering how to build an automatic dispatch system and behold! This popped up in my feed today. Thanks for the guide! Very clever!
Yes you can. They are quite a bit larger so its hard to fit as many in to a blueprint but for a quick and dirty job, truck stations will work great as well.
Very clever! I was pondering this very situation last night while going back and forth from my central storage to my first remote base. It looks like remote base building will take a brief hiatus while I build this feature into my main base
Indeed, an awesome idea. I was so inspired by this idea and the comment to use water instead of ore that I had to try it out. And it works. I created a version with six materials to be remotely switched per building. Thank you soo much.
You're welcome. I do have an updated video to this one. The link to it is in the pinned comment I believe. It includes a drone port and fixes some of the other issues.
Very clever use of ore/smelter to control item flow via a priority power switch. To me, the internal storage is optional, given that this will be located at a base that presumably supply items as a sufficient rate. Obviously, one needs to keep an eye on item levels as the destination. If left on, the disassembly of the destination storage unit would be the problem this solution solves in reverse - how to get tons of items back to base.
Great video, very informative and I like how you covered everything in sections. I always get lost in Satisfactory because of my ADD but this video is really inspiring (to be honest, I have the attention span of a gold fish so it would be hard for me to imagine such a project). You gained a subscriber
Welcome aboard! lol I'm glad you enjoyed it. I do mostly long form videos so hopefully they aren't too long for a gold fish lol. Check out the episodes. I do get better at editing as I go, so give me a chance 😁 Thanks for the suppor!
Thanks. I do have an updated video to this one. The link to it is in the pinned comment I believe. It includes a drone port and fixes some of the other issues.
Yeah. I mean it's about spending time now to save time later. Dpends on how you play. I get that if you're doing a relatively fast playthrough it won't be worth it.
@@Kinstruction "relatively fast playthrough" PFFFFHAHAHAHAHA! Oh if only you knew the turtle's pace I went at! I've burned so much time tearing down old crap just so I could painstakingly rebuild it all in a way that I wasn't simply building big flat boxes. I haven't even TOUCHED aluminum production yet because of that! Although since I've made the effort to put together a comprehensive railway system for myself, I suppose it couldn't hurt to put the effort into making a centralized building where I could deliver everything I produce so far and set up your delivery system from there. Certainly inspiring, if anything.
Figuring out a way to turn iron ore plus a power plant signal into a long distance circuit is absolutely fantastic dude. This was frankly mind-blowing to see. If coffee stain would just implement signals and combinators, we wouldn't have to do weird workarounds like this, but I am so glad that someone was able to figure it out. I guess necessity really does breed creativity
Thanks. Yea just a few tools would let us do some pretty amazing things. Something like power nodes on the inputs and outputs of mergers and splitters to make them logic switches. if you connect power to this output of a splitter, it allows item flow combined with if a merger receives a specific item on an input, it connects power to its node. Just those two things would allow for some crazy logic splits. A transistor basically of power to belt flow and vice versa. Maybe one day.
A similar hack that I use when setting up nuclear is that I route the raw uranium ore to a smart splitter that sends all of the uranium to an awesome sink which is turned off and the overflow to the processing chain. If I need to clear things up I turn on the awesome sink and turn off the uranium mine -- then all uranium on the belt goes to the sink and the belts clear off.
Late game I used drones to stock remote storage containers, just had edit the routes, pretty convenient. I like how this system can be brought online much earlier, can't wait to try it!
Not needed anymore in 1.0. When you're at this stage of the game, you can simply explore and research all the alien technology option, and this problem is solved. I literally just built my first oil power plant and train system when I found myself running back and forth eating up all my time. After finding dozens of mercer spheres and automizing sam fluctuators, I could build dimensional depots for every building resource, and I can confirm it loads fast enough to put down blueprint after blueprint no matter how large, and you never run out of resources - provided you produce enough.
I made a whole video on the topic and addressed it in the pinned message. And you haven't seen how fast I use resources lol. I can absolutely use them faster than the fasted depot speed. I think there's still some ways to augment the dimensional depo system with some remote switches. Still thinking on it. If I come up with what I'm thinking on I'll make a new vid.
That's a pretty cool build. With this kind of build, it appears that Satisfactory is one step closer to being Turing Complete. As an aside, what would be really interesting to see within a build like this is to incorporate a second small train station at the receiving end of your new location that would take any overflow materials from incoming material and load the train on the second depot to return back to either the calling station or as in your case, the central storage hub. This train would then unload all of its cargo from the train into a set of buffer storages at your depot that will then go through a priority sorter to be fed back into your main storage where its output feeding back into their respective bins would have priority over the main production lines that are coming in. I would design it in this manner so that the returns depot would never over saturate and would always have priority of emptying it's container bin. Also if these are materials that are using within factories such as iron plates, motors, etc... if the depot line is backed up then there would be an overflow line that would take it to another transport system either it being another train, truck routes, or even drones to be taken and dropped off as a source of building materials. If they happen to be end products that are expensive to make and are typically not used in other builds then I would have an end of the line storage for miscellaneous items. This would be a relatively large storage area in its own right as it might contain maybe 8-16 double containers itself just to make sure it doesn't easily back up. The only thing with this at the end of the build is the only place that you would have to manually empty and or sort yourself. However, having the overflow fill up a return train to take the materials back would be a nice addition to your current setup. Nicely done!
That would be a cool solution. I deal with most of that issue by just being careful to turn on and off what I'm using, but there are a still a few problems with that as I do end up forgetting sometimes for awhile and they do overflow. I've got a follow up video on this one where I have another version of this, I think its my pinned comment, I do fix a few of the problems with this version, though not the one you suggested. :)
@16 minutes "your power shards would've been sunk" ...no...you can't sink those. it won't let you. But they WOULD get stuck and prevent anything else behind it from sinking
Good to know. I'm glad I didn't have to find out lol. Either way, I'm still glad I put that catch all into my design. Keep anything out that doesn't belong. Thanks for the tip!
I made a very similar setup that used packagers instead of smelters to make a closed loop of packaging and unpackaging water. Better space efficiency and doesn't require an ore source, but you do have to carry around some packaged water to prime the system to make it work.
Great, genius and funny way to request items! I know one alternative way. You can use powered/unpowered Truck stations to stop a belt. It eats more electricity and uses much more space but might be more obvious solution.
That's very true. I've got a follow up video to this one where I fix the issues in this video and talk about a few solutions like the truck station as well. ua-cam.com/video/12tvLlt-VRI/v-deo.html
Wouldn't that be cool lol. Dude got 300k views on a lets play 3 days ago lol. I'd be happy with 3k on this bad boy. The algo works in mysterious ways lol.
Been following Etho since 2013. I remember watching the episode when he came up the the hopper clock. I see you're in/out belt fed factory design being used by other youtuber's in the future. I meant what I said man. You could be the Etho's lab of Satisfactory. Not because you'll have the most subs. But because your'e so genuinely enjoying the wins and the losses in your your let's play. You're name will be known and you're creations will be implemented in the future.
a power based belt brake would be a really nice addition. This would be going in a direction similar to factorio, and would need some automated way of powering switches. In my opinion, this game needs better control signals, something like a master controller that contains a patchbox for all built switches
There are for sure some areas in automation/logic that the game could improve on. The devs said that won't be a part of the 1.0 release, but maybe in the future.
Just built (pretty much copied from 0.5 replay) my version of this based on the video and am beyond excited to use it. I never would have thought of using iron ore/copper ore as an item flow stopper. Had to rebuild a few times because of the offset parts and screwing up some conveyor crowded areas. This is exactly what I was wanting and talking to my friend about for our playthrough
This is pretty unreal! They should really just add the ability to turn on / off the conveyor belts directly to solve the problem though. Using smelters in this way is pretty crazy inventive though!
The Iron Smelting option is a quite good idea, if you're limited in space, but at the hub, where you'll just need to build it once I would recommend takijg Erin Archi's way, of lovking it via Truck- or Train Stations.
This video is making me think that we're definitely lacking in a few areas in terms of a resource management factory game. Just seeing what people do with a remote binary power switch is insane, and absolutely does help with practical QOL issues. There absolutely needs to be a way to power on/off splitters or entrances. I know they've been kinda iffy on adding a logistical system, but having a basic read/write system so you can help resource manage would be huge for this game. I also see opportunity for fun things to assist with this! Like maybe a little, highly animated, robot that sits on your back and brings you resources from nearby bins until your inventory has a set amount.
Honestly dude, its just faster to build a hypercannon back to ur storage and one back to ur remote project. like a 10 sec trip to fill up ur inventory again. i use 10-12 connected entrances to fly basically across the whole map. a little lower than that and ul be good to go with a perfect launch from ur storage to ur new project, and the same back. This is too much for such a small and easily fixed thing. I have 3 differnet hypercannon blueprints if u need, and another cooler gravity cannon but it doesnt launch u as far.
That's pretty smart with the smelter, ha-ha! I'd however prefer to source directly off the train with ALL items mixed across 4-5 wagons that goes into the 'resorting' facility when u are done with the build or need more :) I'm currently working on such a system that loads wagons with sushi of items in controllable proportions. 1 wagon is dedicated to concrete because u often need a ton of it
I know your gonna hate me for saying this, but this functionality is already provided by the truck station. Unpowered, it will not allow belt fed input... but it does drain unpowered. All you need is the priority power switch and truck station.
You're not the first person to say that. Its all good. Truck stations are pretty big and you can't fit 5 in a BP designer. There's some downsides to this design for sure. I'm fixing them in a new version in a video soon.
This is a great vanilla solution. There is also a teleporter mod. In vanilla I usually just put a spur of a train line close to where I am building my huge factory not only for fast transportation but also as a way to store extra resources. I call it my building train.
For sure, I use the building train solution as well. Yea I wanted to provide a vanilla solution because at the time, I was playing in experimental and I didn't want to rely on a mod.
@@Kinstruction I love how you automated the whole process. When I do it I just put a few cars on the engine and fill them with a bunch of stuff from my mass storage and just hope my abundance gives me a few hours worth of materials. Your way is more legit due to the automation and not having to go back and forth. My build train makes me go back to base for more at some point. Kudos to you!
@@Kinstruction "tired of it so I made a smart logistical move" should be a slogan of Satisfactory. Essentially because it's a game that takes hundreds of hours if you actually like it. I just popped 1k hours a few months ago.
Here's another method using priority switches without water packagers: A: Train/truck- Product X out of a local factory to Central Storage B: A Central Storage C: Train/truck- one input and one output for each product. In station fed by A and keeps filing the central storage. The out station needs to feed from Central Storage and needs a priority switch. This will control what product flows to E D: Train/truck- one input and one output. Input from all C's out stations to D's one in station E: at a location you want to send things: a recieving station and an auto sorter for all items with an overflow sink. Can be done with two blueprints. Critical: Needs priority switch at in station to stop trucks/trains when done. Create a route from D to E. Use priority power switches to turn on products at C, when and what needed- which feeds to D. Use overflow sinks at A and E only to avoid traffic
Very slick! Too bad it’s mostly obsolete thanks to the dimensional depot…but this is great thinking! Makes total sense, and I’m going to keep it in the back of my mind in case I need it 😁
Not everything you need. Just use the list feature man😂 on the upper right of every building that you can build can be add to the todo list and you will never have those issues 🤣
I did something similar to explicitly set the rate of items being allowed through by using fluid packagers and unpackagers, recycling both the empty containers and the fluid so that items weren't being sinked. This is a great solution though, and using the slow belts with the fast belts for the main items is a great hack. Thanks for sharing this trick. I may have to use this with drones instead of trains though....
Someone else had the idea of using packagers (or was that you? lol) I think its a good one. For sure, this can and should be used for drones if you're far enough into the save. I had meant to mention that in the video, but forgot lol. I'm glad you've found it helpful.
@@Kinstruction it might have been me. I posted about it a while back in one of the Facebook groups. Love this use of iron ore though, simple and effective
You have two choices. Either transport the resources like you did, or transport yourself (that sounds like an insult lmao). Hypertube cannons were my choice, because I couldn't be bothered to make inventory refill stations all over the map.
Pretty neat idea. I was wondering if you'd have something clever for the train loading, so items would be "interleaved" so to speak, so you don't wind up with a train full of item 1 and completely missing items 2/3/4/5. I guess you could just remotely turn off item 1, wait a couple of train rotations, and now you'd be getting the other items. Rinse/repeat until you get all of what you need.
Thats basically what I do, and I think with how mergers work, you do tend to get items interleaved. One big consideration I use is to make sure I spread out the items i'm most likely to call for in separate trains. Concrete, iron plates, plastic for example. That helps to spread the load out.
This is absolute Brilliant, the use of jamming splitter with another parts that it, and thats why I HATE to do THIS!! Not to take away anything from the brilliancy of thought which went behind this approach but u can achieve the same result using a truck station (just the station, no trucks) and the priority switch. Add input and output belts to truck station and it'll only let the items pass from input to output if the power is on, that u can control via priority switch. Few pros of that approach would be: -much more compact -u can have entire 780 item throughput rather than 780 minus 60 using the smart splitter method. -less buildings, no need for awesome sink -saving iron ore Cons would be....I don't know maybe if u can overclock smelter to 200%, u can make it more compact than a truck station, but there is awesome sink as well so I'm not sure But please let me know if missing something here.
Wouldn't you need an entire truck station for each item? I can't think of a way go use one truck station for more than one item. That blueprint of mine handles 5 items. I think it's much more compact than than 5 truck stations would be. In fact I don't think you can fit more than one truck station in a blueprint and I've got 5 items in that one.
@@Kinstruction well... fair point... I'm not sure about how many truck stations we can fit there...i guess i never thought they were particularly huge, but sure....i guess u can't fit 5 of those there.... also ur using just one awesome sink for 5 setups so that gives u an advantage as well... i guess I'll have to strike compactness off my pro list. edit : just checked we can fit 4 truck stations in Blueprint Designer will ample space left for beltwork and storage boxes. (again not comparing against size of Kinstruction's blueprint, just suggesting what can come inside one blueprint)
I can also use one awesome sink for all of them. I made it so they link up as long as you out them all in a line. The truck stations a good idea. The best part about this game is there's multiple ways to solve problems.
this was a great way around how things work. question though the 60/m of ore into the smelters, does that matter?, wouldnt you just need the one smelter and simply fast enough belts that the smelter backs up quick enough when turning off? would only take one backed up smelter to block the line surely, speed of the belt only matters when switching it off so that the items stop as soon as they can. filling two smelters would slow that down surely.
I could have split the ore feed into 30 and 30 and do one smelter per line yea. Probably would have been better. I actually redesigned this whole thing with packagers/unpackagers so its a closed system. And then CG came out with the dimensional depot and now we don't need either lol.
1 - This remote storage system is awesome! 2 - Smart splitters should have item counters. 3 - A 2 left 2 right splitter is missing and solves any scalable belt issue The idea that you are able to live in space but you cannot count is insane... Contact Coffee and request these
So they've talked about being able to manually split, meaning, send x items one way and y items the other way of your choice, and how figuring out how to balance belts is a core mechanic in the game and so they won't be providing a work around for it.
Wow, that is such an awesome idea! It would be cool to find a way to use this with the download depot in 1.0. I've been trying to come up with a way to remotely change what is going into the depot. But you could potentially do the priority trick, but you would have to pull a stack from your download depot to unclog the intake of the depot since it stores a stack after the depot item is filled. (Plus the remainder on the belt) But if you could remote activate the storage to start putting what item onto the belt, then there is some potential there.
Meanwhile, I actually did design something like this - not limited to blueprint space but I used clogged smart splitters as logic - but I was amiss to the ability to control it remotely and I was like, "MAN I WISH THERE WAS A WAY I CAN FLIP SWITCHES ON OR OFF. BUMMER." and moved on with my life. 🤦♂ I'm curious though: 1. To reposition, you do need to modify the train line each time? 2. Remotely fetching materials, you still need to wait for the train each time? 3. Building the sorting output on sight, as well as extending the train line, have you found inventory issues during THAT process? Or is that something you have to be preemptive about? 4. How does it change with Drones? I haven't clicked on your second video yet, but I'm curious if it's faster / slower, easier to setup, etc? 5. Your video did a great job at showcasing the product but can you also leave a review of your own product? I'm curious of the pros and cons you have noticed through experience.
Nice. You got halfway there. 😁 1. I don't reposition the train line, but do add more train line to the next place. I just re-task the trains to drop off at the new station with a new remote storage/sorter. 2. I do still need to wait for the train, but its more of a constant process kind of thing. I just have on what I'm using, so its constantly resupplying. 3. There's a bit of inventory issue there, but just a few buildings/train stations until you get a solution in place beats constructing the entire new factory like that. 4. The biggest change with the drones is just the delivery system. The max is really 780 (or nearly 780 with the clogging materials taking up some space). Much more likely in the long run the weak link will be your automation capacity. If you're only making 20 Heavy Modular Frames per minute, it doesn't really matter how fast everything gets to you, you'll be getting 20 HMF per minute. 5. I did that a bit in the next video, that I do see you watched by the time I'm writing this comment. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, thank you.
Juste use truck station, on your first go record the way to the 2nd base, when you get back the second time, build 3-4 truck the send them via recorded path. Then recycle the trucks at the 2nd base
I've got a second video on this type of remote switch, I do talk about using truck stations as an option in that video. There are some downsides to using them, but ut is for sure a good solution depending on your needs.
Yes this is very clever.. i subscribed now. Ive been away fron the game for 8 months because i w8 for 1.0 but icant w8 no more.. this is going to be best fall ever..!!!
Awesome idea! I saw this video this morning and spent most of the day implementing it into my build. Works great. Many thanks! (Named my parts train, Lil Bitch. "fetch me some parts, lil bitch". LOL) All my other trains are named after Trailer Park Boys characters.
Nice, I'm glad you got some value out of this! That's a...unique naming scheme lol. I've named my trains that deliver for me Uber Items 1 and Uber Items 2 lol.
Could you use drones? If you attached drones to your central storage, could build a drone port at your new build and use to request items from the central storage?
It is a good solution, but have one disadvantage. If you have only one source and multiple destinations, it will not work for ever. If you turn the power on, you have no control where the items are unloaded. If one destination is full of e.g. iron plates it cant be unloaded and the train cargo have less capacity until it cant load new items. To improve that you need a second train station at the source where the cargo is fully unloaded before it loads new items.
Yes, it's designed to send you materials to wherever you're working. It's purposefully for being fast and temporary, someplace you don't want to spend forever setting up permanent item shipping to. If you finish at one lactation, just change the train route to the new location, but ya one at a time was the idea.
@@Kinstruction I am playing with 3 friends and we are not working all at the same location. We devided the tasks and builds. But based on your idea I will expand it for our purpose. Keep up the good work!
I think you should try four drone ports. One for each of you and you're four locations. You could set up a switch to each of them so you all have your own source of materials.
i have multiple dimensional storages at my storage for every specific item, i dont even need an inventory anymore. i got 10 filled storages for each item, and 4 dimentional storages on the top of every item, so every item get put in those storages x4, plus my dimensional storages are also fully upgraded. There is also a great bug in the game right now where u can just straight copy items, by doing a ''circle'' of a conveyer belt, and putting splitters or mergers where these belt connect, put a storage container in the middle of this conveyer belt ''circle'' and insert ur items u would like to copy and make them go around the belt. Now, simply demove all the splitters / mergers, and ur belt will have doubled, aswell as all ur items that were on the belt.
I'm not sinking the iron ore. I'm sinking the iron ingots, but only when I want the switch on and the items to flow. So the iron ore blocks the item from flowing because it backs up the smart splitter. Then when I turn on the smelters, it eats the 60 iron ore per minute and that clears the smart splitter, allowing the item we want to flow into the train station. Then I sink the iron ingots. The key is coming up with a way to "turn off" a belt using power. My method uses a trash item (iron ore) to block the belt, turning it off. Make sure to rewatch the last 5 minutes or so of the video. I go over how that sending blueprint works. I go fast, but all the info is there, you'll see it.
It goes by pretty quick, but he explains it at 17:55. The smart splitter acts like a valve which is "open" as long as iron ore can flow. The iron flows because there are two smelters consuming them. The power switches assigned at 10:03 turn those smelters on and off, thereby controlling whether their corresponding smart splitter (valve) gets clogged with iron (closed) or not (open).
So, if I understand correctly, the ore smelting is what allows the chosen item(s) to proceed through to the train, and toggling them off stops the item from being able to send?@@Boo_T_Shayka
Could you put the How it works section after the intro, instead of after the rest of the video? It makes more sense to learn about a certain concept and THEN see how someone could use it in their own builds. Now it's more like a bunch of black boxes and a quick peek under the hood before the curtains close...
is good, been following your series a bit. Just wondering, why did you change the iron ore to ingots via smelters? You used an awesome sink before to just sink the ore to free up the smart splitter to get the items flowing, what was wrong with this setup?
It was huge. In that previous set up, I had one building almost as big as this one, but it only handled one item at a time. This building does 5 at once. So I need 6 total buildings instead of 30. And I can chain them into one sink, instead of needed a sink for each item. Because the space requirements are so much less, its also much easier and faster to hook up.
No, that'a a maximum. I make much less than that on all my items and the system works just fine. In fact, fully loading it could cause throughput problems in your trainline anyway.
Still usefull for large Projects in 1.0! Dimensional depot is to slow and small for the big projects i build. So it also found its way to my 1.0 save! Still a big fan of this idea!
I’ve played hundreds of hours of Satisfactory and Factorio, and the addition of priority power switches gives a tiny taste of the circuit logic opportunities in this game. This system is genius, and would be made so much simpler if the game had a powered splitter that could be controlled directly rather than clogged!
Wait! Before I watch this, my solve is a auto sorter for storage. A train that has a utility cargo behind main engine : then two more engines or cargo/fluid depending on the job. This first cargo can go to a depo base and load a set of pre selected items. ( Collect from different places and get various things) Make a storage to auto sort what you'd like and trash or move the rest. Depending on the level of output via beltage. You can get a lot or few of linked items. The train runs continuously and stocks it's stations. That being said... No idea how this is going to be accomplished 😂 let's see. Edit: Brilliant 😅 very sneaky sir.
Right, anything that will block it that you can use up if you provide power. I redesigned this whole thing later to use empty cannisters and a closed system of water packagers. Just FYI, now with the dimensional depot in the game, this is a bit less useful than it was :)
Thank you! I actually made a follow up video to this. I linked to it in the description. It adds drones and packaged water and gets rid of the iron ore.
This moment: Ironore - Why tf do i need this... 10 Minutes later: OMG. This guy is such a genius! i have "only" 1300 hours in this game and would even with 13000 hours come out with such an solution #respect #brainonBeforePower ;)
DIMENSIONAL STORAGE ANNOUNCED!
Does mercer sphere dimensional storage replace this system? Yes and no. It replaces the train/drone portion and the end sorting blueprint, but, based on what I could see in the teaser, I believe we will still need a way to remotely switch on and off what items get sent into dimensional storage.
The remote item switch lives! (I think) lol
You'll be able to build as many dimensional storage container as you have mercer spheres. There are hundreds of mercer spheres available (numbers has been adjusted). You will be able to put one or many dimensional storage for each item at your production facilities. The more you have, the faster it will refill the dimensional storage. I think we'll be able to have every meaningful items go to dimensional storage. The question is whether the refill rate is adequate enough. If it doesn't refill quickly enough, we might still want to get some deliveries to outpost build sites i think.
dont worry about it much bro this build is fucking insane and I could only dream about designing such a thing
Well, with the benefit of hindsight and information on 1.0, we can now see that the forward-moving logistics into player inventory has been reduced to functionally zero-length at the production source.
Still one of the great examples of Sushi-belt FTW
That said, the problem we now have is trash collection in the player inventory, as so much material gets pushed automatically into the DimDep and the is no prioritization or dedication for trash from the inventory.
Most people would probably just build a dump bin that they may or may not return to, but there may be space for a back-loading logistics solution?
@@stephenschroeder2141 dont understand what you mean, there is a trash alternative in the inventory, u can remove things, just drag them from ur inventory, to the thrashcan in ur inventory. How have you completely missed the thrashcan in the inventory? xP
@@jonteberglund7365… and that deletes it from the game. Of course it’s there, but I want to use the things I make and not fire them into the void unnecessarily.
Rather than unfaithfully representing what I said, do you have another hurdle or potential application of the video solution now that dim depots are in the game and have made logistics a zero-distance concern? (at least, at not more than 240 items per depot per minute, and 5-stack available capacity)
I was very confused as to how this would need iron ore right up until the smelters got explained. I never would have thought of that that's genius!
Thanks lol.
Sometimes the simplest of things can very easily be the easiest and most practical solutions to your problem set. Sometimes you don't need to overcomplicate things to solve complex problems. Just break it down into smaller components where each of those individual components (problems) are very easy and simple to solve or resolve. What do I mean by this? Think of a complex logical problem... With the use of the rules, properties, laws and tricks with Boolean Algebra we can take any complex problem and use them within the context of a procedural algorithm that utilizes concepts such as De Morgan's Laws, Implication Tables, and Karnaugh Maps through the use of Product of Sums and Sums of Products we can reduce that complex Boolean Expression (Function) down to its simplest of forms by removing any redundancies as well as removing any irrelevant information leaving us with the smallest expression possible with the least amount of terms that has an effect on the output(s) of the function based on its inputs. A bit similar yet a bit different... We do not need to calculate the slope of a given curve or function F(x) such as f(x) = x^5 - 3x^2 + 7 for every input and output pair to find it's slope at a given point. We can simply just differentiate this expression to be f'(x) = 5x^4 - 6x. Then we can apply the argument with the value of x at f(x) say 9 into the functions derivative to find the slope at that given point of the original curve. Therefor the slope of f(x) at F(9) is f'(9) = 5*9^4 - 6*9 = 32805 - 54 = 32751. Where the slope at F(2) would be: f'(2) = 5*2^4 - 6*2 = 80 - 12 = 68. If we add one to the second slope of F(x) we get 69. It's that simple.
Giggity.
I was in the same boat. The whole time, what is the reason for the iron....
Nice, well I actually made a follow up video and design that doesn't use iron, but recycles packaged water over and over to fit the same function.
You put out of the box thinking into a very clever box. I would've never thought of remotely (un-)clogging transfer lines. Great job.
Thanks. I use this in my current save constantly.
You legit made a computer system with smart splitters being on or off... this is brilliant!
I've got an updated version of this that I outline in another video. Link should be in the description of this video. I fix some of the issues with this design.
Absolutely genius design! I can't imagine how tedious the BP was to set-up though, there isn't even enough room to slide in those boxes! You got a member for sure, gonna use these in my save for now then figure out an alternate solution when I have more than 100 hours in game under my belt lmao
Come join the discord and hang out and ask questions. I'm slowly building a pretty awesome community
I really like this idea, and I think I'm going to build my own variant that uses packaged water as the "choke" item rather than iron ore. The switches would then control the packagers. When running, they would send the empty containers back to be refilled with the same water. It would have the disadvantage of needing to be "primed" but the advantage of not relying on a nearby resource node that's not already tapped and utilized. Thanks for the inspiration!
Dude you're like the third person to have that idea. Its a really good one. One person in my discord already posted some pics of his version. Its such a good idea, I'm sad I didn't think of it myself lol.
Just a warning to you both - my save is a trucks only and just 1 processing tower for everything (I call it my Tower of Babel since it's so ugly it's an affront to all the gods!) - and I truck crude oil to the main tower in packages and empties back and I am SURE the system loses the empties somewhere since every so often there are none left in the process! I trickle feed in empties to keep it going. Anyway good luck and I'd love to hear if you get it working! It could be a bug in the trucking inventory between saves though...
I know my setup works, I'm probably going to keep refining that. If someone wants to give a packaged version a try, it won't be me. 😀
But thanks for the info. I wonder if they are filling a storage somewhere.
@@commie2741 Do the same trucks carry full and empty canisters? If the flows aren't perfectly aligned, there's a chance empty containers end up in a buffer storage for full containers (and vice versa). If those end up in the upper portion of a container, the lower portion keeps filling up with full canisters and until the unpackers run out of those, you will never see them choke on empty cannisters. (I speak of experience :P)
Packaged water using trucks would be crazy. Lol.
This is beyond brilliant! The devs say they don’t want to add logic circuits to the game, and you say “hold my beer” and use this genius idea with smelters! Well done sir, and thanks for the guide!
Thanks. I actually worked out a few better ways to get it done. Check out the video of mine called "Harder Better Faster Stronger".
@@Kinstruction shut up and take my money..! This is one of the if not the best satisfactory series i have found. Ofc scalti is a legend.. totalxcliose and kibitz are also up there.. but kinstruction is da new shit
Lol thanks man. I'm live streaming tonight. Hope to see ya around.
...I would never have thought to use a smeltable item to "deactivate" a smart splitter via clogging. That's actually a really cool idea. I'm 160 hours into my first playthrough (U7, so no priority power switches) and so far _almost_ all of my builds have fit into a single inventory trip (todo-list everything, round up to full stacks, add a few extra stacks of concrete/steelbeams/silica for making it look pretty, and plenty of power lines and belt building materials), but this idea will probably come in handy by the time I have to start building the factories for the final Space Elevator parts.
Yea, I've certainly found it helpful for the mega builds in my main playthrough lol, but even larger factories it could be useful.
Thanks for watching!
I would recommand a closed cirucit of packaging / unpackaging the water instead of iron ore.
Regardless of that ,this is a great idea ! that has so many applications : thanks !
I've seen that suggestion before, and its a good one, was that you? lol
Like anything in Satisfactory, this is just one solution of many. My goal was to get people thinking and that's happening for sure. 😁
@@Kinstruction It wasn't me, but your video surely inspired me !
Working with the packagers is a bit tricky but really compact: the whole lock can be placed on a 4x1 area !
I have a working prototype, i can send the blueprints if you want :)
Come to my discord. I've got a section for member creations you can share as many pics as you want, or the blue prints.
This is a game changer and much appreciated for the great idea, Kin! I was so inspired by this video, I had to make my own blueprint for the delivery system. I have a monstrous but working 6 port version with 6 water packers and 3 water unpackers -closed loop with a small container of canisters rotating throughout; just add water and power.
Yes, this is a really popular idea I've gotten back as a different version of this system. I think its a great idea.
I watched this entire video wondering if you had also discovered my system, but no, you've done it in a different(and more space efficient) way. I had a thought a while back that using a limestone node with the limestone being sinked, I could power on and off the sink and if I did my belting correctly(2 smart splitters, one gets clogged and the extra has to overflow elsewhere) then I could functionally make an item go down Belt A or Belt B based on a power switch. It was a thought in the back of my brain that I had never built, but using iron is smart! I assumed limestone was the best because it was the most available, but using iron means you can use smelters(much smaller and easier to work with) instead of sinks. And they're virtually the same in terms of availability. I've never seen anyone else use this idea before, I'm glad to see someone else has had this thought! Well done on the execution to boot.
Thanks. My first version used a sink as well. I agree, its horrible on space.
I did one last version using packagers and drones. If you liked this one, you'll love that one. The video is linked in the description.
This is so clever. Love the video's production as well - you explain what's going on so clearly.
Thank you. I re-recorded it a couple of time lol.
Much appreciated for you to give an update to this video in regards to the dim depot 10 months later !
Well this little blueprint is my baby. 😁
Brilliant idea.
It does bring up a thought, maybe programmable splitters should be powered (but use only a few watts). Then you could remotely power them on and off.
That would simplify this build massively and you wouldn't have to deal with the by-products.
Right. Would make them more useful too.
The updated version of this blueprint is here! It includes drones, central storage and a closed loop packager system. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/12tvLlt-VRI/v-deo.html
It gets better?? Lol using clogging with smelters is ingenious idea
1.0 is coming....
disgusting screen ratio. blacklisted
This is such a clever design. I didnt belive that something like this would ever be possible, so thank you very much.
Thanks. Just a heads up, I'm working on an updated version of this that I hope to have out in the next week or so for you all.
It's a lovely idea and i can tell you've put your heart and soul out into making something like this, Good Job!
Thanks!
Previously someone used an airport. Just need to put down a pad and request what you want from a stocked airport with everything available. Not going to stock as many materials quite as fast but you also don't need a train track and need only carry materials for a pad and you always have every item available. This is a great iteration on things that have been done but taking it to the next level. I agree with the water idea though, small blueprint in front of your building as an option. Just drop an inventory full of bottled water in a box and gtg.
Yea. I'm planning on doing an updated version of this with drones.
yooo! this is awesome!
having a way to "link" your warehouse to your inventory is such a fun challenge to tackle! the whole "pick your shipment contents" aspect of the priority switch/AWESOME Sink shenanigans is brilliant!
I'm thinking: we can integrate this system into a drone delivery service too, makes the rail line requirement irrelevant! Tho its fair to point out that once you unlock drones, a central parts storage turns out to be obsolete, since you can just have a dedicated export / delivery drone port on each producing factory which would send you the parts wherever you need em. (bypassing a warehouse / mall / central storage)
Still, if you had a parts warehouse already set up, implementing this parts picker system to fill up a drone port could mean you can have a drone bring you *just* the stuff you need in one trip (limited to the 9 slot / drone capacity tho)
altho drones are unlocked much later than trains... so this definitely could be used earlier on to prevent the whole "oh cr*p, i forgor iron rods. now i gotta go all the way back to base" moments lol
Yes. For sure someone could use this system/blueprints with drones. I was going to talk about that but I forgot, so thank you for reminding me.
The method you use to transport the items to you, belts, trains, trucks, drones, can be switched out to whatever makes the most sense for your situation. The hard part is having the control over which items to send, for how long, remotely.
But yea, I look forward to switching this over to a drone setup in the future!
This is exactly what my friends and I have been discussing. I built a drone outpost that would sort items out for use on projects, but of course you'd need someone back home to stock the port. We got to wondering how to build an automatic dispatch system and behold! This popped up in my feed today. Thanks for the guide! Very clever!
Thanks. Drones is, of course the next step to this.
I'm planning on another video that uses drones and a few more improvements in the next few weeks.
This is awesome! They really need to implement either powered splitters or powered conveyor entrances.
Maybe we will get something cool in 1.0 lol.
And thanks.
You can use Truck Stationen for just this purpose
Yes you can. They are quite a bit larger so its hard to fit as many in to a blueprint but for a quick and dirty job, truck stations will work great as well.
Very clever! I was pondering this very situation last night while going back and forth from my central storage to my first remote base. It looks like remote base building will take a brief hiatus while I build this feature into my main base
It's saved me so much time in my playthrough.
this is very ingenious! the clog unclog mechanics are really interesting! cool, I wouldn't think about it, very smart! thanks for sharing this!
Thanks!
Indeed, an awesome idea.
I was so inspired by this idea and the comment to use water instead of ore that I had to try it out.
And it works. I created a version with six materials to be remotely switched per building.
Thank you soo much.
Nice. Yea, I love seeing people taking inspiration and moving the ball forward for their own use. Really helps push whats possible in the game.
This is absolutely genius. Makes me really excited to see what kinds of things the community comes up with for the priority power switches.
Thanks. Yea this ended up being a very useful tool for me in my Update 8 playthrough.
Clogging the splitter as a form of belt shutoff is actually pretty smart, I love it! And the whole system too. (Edit: typo)
Thanks. I made a follow up video with a different solution. Links in the description
thanks for this. i was looking for an explanation after i saw it in your lets play
You're welcome. I do have an updated video to this one. The link to it is in the pinned comment I believe. It includes a drone port and fixes some of the other issues.
Very clever use of ore/smelter to control item flow via a priority power switch. To me, the internal storage is optional, given that this will be located at a base that presumably supply items as a sufficient rate. Obviously, one needs to keep an eye on item levels as the destination. If left on, the disassembly of the destination storage unit would be the problem this solution solves in reverse - how to get tons of items back to base.
Yea. I figure having storages around the map of your items isn't a horrible thing.
Great video, very informative and I like how you covered everything in sections. I always get lost in Satisfactory because of my ADD but this video is really inspiring (to be honest, I have the attention span of a gold fish so it would be hard for me to imagine such a project). You gained a subscriber
Welcome aboard! lol I'm glad you enjoyed it. I do mostly long form videos so hopefully they aren't too long for a gold fish lol. Check out the episodes. I do get better at editing as I go, so give me a chance 😁 Thanks for the suppor!
Very nice! I'd love to see more of this kind of technical build!
Thanks. I do have an updated video to this one. The link to it is in the pinned comment I believe. It includes a drone port and fixes some of the other issues.
@@Kinstruction I saw, and I'm in the middle of it now. 😁
Nice
I was never really a fan of the idea of implementing a central storage space, but this... this is changing my disposition to that idea.
Yeah. I mean it's about spending time now to save time later. Dpends on how you play. I get that if you're doing a relatively fast playthrough it won't be worth it.
@@Kinstruction "relatively fast playthrough"
PFFFFHAHAHAHAHA! Oh if only you knew the turtle's pace I went at! I've burned so much time tearing down old crap just so I could painstakingly rebuild it all in a way that I wasn't simply building big flat boxes. I haven't even TOUCHED aluminum production yet because of that!
Although since I've made the effort to put together a comprehensive railway system for myself, I suppose it couldn't hurt to put the effort into making a centralized building where I could deliver everything I produce so far and set up your delivery system from there. Certainly inspiring, if anything.
Like anything, its a tool in the tool box. :) Good luck!
Figuring out a way to turn iron ore plus a power plant signal into a long distance circuit is absolutely fantastic dude. This was frankly mind-blowing to see. If coffee stain would just implement signals and combinators, we wouldn't have to do weird workarounds like this, but I am so glad that someone was able to figure it out. I guess necessity really does breed creativity
Thanks. Yea just a few tools would let us do some pretty amazing things.
Something like power nodes on the inputs and outputs of mergers and splitters to make them logic switches.
if you connect power to this output of a splitter, it allows item flow combined with if a merger receives a specific item on an input, it connects power to its node.
Just those two things would allow for some crazy logic splits. A transistor basically of power to belt flow and vice versa.
Maybe one day.
A similar hack that I use when setting up nuclear is that I route the raw uranium ore to a smart splitter that sends all of the uranium to an awesome sink which is turned off and the overflow to the processing chain. If I need to clear things up I turn on the awesome sink and turn off the uranium mine -- then all uranium on the belt goes to the sink and the belts clear off.
Nice. I haven't done any nuclear yet and won't be on my current playthrough. I'll be using it for my 1.0 playthrough 😁
This build is absolutely crazy, i love it
Thanks!
Late game I used drones to stock remote storage containers, just had edit the routes, pretty convenient. I like how this system can be brought online much earlier, can't wait to try it!
I did do a version of this using drones as well. :)
my god you're a fucking genius. I kept thinking "what the fuck is he powering with the switches to make them matter in a belt system".
fucking genius.
lol thanks. I've got a follow up video to this one that fixes a few of the issues and adds more functionality if you're interested.
Not needed anymore in 1.0. When you're at this stage of the game, you can simply explore and research all the alien technology option, and this problem is solved. I literally just built my first oil power plant and train system when I found myself running back and forth eating up all my time. After finding dozens of mercer spheres and automizing sam fluctuators, I could build dimensional depots for every building resource, and I can confirm it loads fast enough to put down blueprint after blueprint no matter how large, and you never run out of resources - provided you produce enough.
I made a whole video on the topic and addressed it in the pinned message.
And you haven't seen how fast I use resources lol. I can absolutely use them faster than the fasted depot speed. I think there's still some ways to augment the dimensional depo system with some remote switches. Still thinking on it. If I come up with what I'm thinking on I'll make a new vid.
That's a pretty cool build. With this kind of build, it appears that Satisfactory is one step closer to being Turing Complete.
As an aside, what would be really interesting to see within a build like this is to incorporate a second small train station at the receiving end of your new location that would take any overflow materials from incoming material and load the train on the second depot to return back to either the calling station or as in your case, the central storage hub. This train would then unload all of its cargo from the train into a set of buffer storages at your depot that will then go through a priority sorter to be fed back into your main storage where its output feeding back into their respective bins would have priority over the main production lines that are coming in.
I would design it in this manner so that the returns depot would never over saturate and would always have priority of emptying it's container bin. Also if these are materials that are using within factories such as iron plates, motors, etc... if the depot line is backed up then there would be an overflow line that would take it to another transport system either it being another train, truck routes, or even drones to be taken and dropped off as a source of building materials.
If they happen to be end products that are expensive to make and are typically not used in other builds then I would have an end of the line storage for miscellaneous items. This would be a relatively large storage area in its own right as it might contain maybe 8-16 double containers itself just to make sure it doesn't easily back up. The only thing with this at the end of the build is the only place that you would have to manually empty and or sort yourself. However, having the overflow fill up a return train to take the materials back would be a nice addition to your current setup.
Nicely done!
That would be a cool solution. I deal with most of that issue by just being careful to turn on and off what I'm using, but there are a still a few problems with that as I do end up forgetting sometimes for awhile and they do overflow.
I've got a follow up video on this one where I have another version of this, I think its my pinned comment, I do fix a few of the problems with this version, though not the one you suggested. :)
This reminds me of how a transistor works. Brilliant!
Thanks. :)
@16 minutes "your power shards would've been sunk" ...no...you can't sink those. it won't let you. But they WOULD get stuck and prevent anything else behind it from sinking
Good to know. I'm glad I didn't have to find out lol.
Either way, I'm still glad I put that catch all into my design. Keep anything out that doesn't belong.
Thanks for the tip!
You are brilliant! I dont have the need for this system in my save but I am going to build one anyway because it is just soooo good! Amazing!
Lol thanks
I made a very similar setup that used packagers instead of smelters to make a closed loop of packaging and unpackaging water. Better space efficiency and doesn't require an ore source, but you do have to carry around some packaged water to prime the system to make it work.
Check out my follow up video. I made a design with packaged water a few weeks after this one.
Great, genius and funny way to request items! I know one alternative way.
You can use powered/unpowered Truck stations to stop a belt. It eats more electricity and uses much more space but might be more obvious solution.
That's very true. I've got a follow up video to this one where I fix the issues in this video and talk about a few solutions like the truck station as well.
ua-cam.com/video/12tvLlt-VRI/v-deo.html
Such a great quality of life creation Kin. You're the Etho's lab of Satisfactory.
Wouldn't that be cool lol. Dude got 300k views on a lets play 3 days ago lol.
I'd be happy with 3k on this bad boy. The algo works in mysterious ways lol.
Been following Etho since 2013. I remember watching the episode when he came up the the hopper clock. I see you're in/out belt fed factory design being used by other youtuber's in the future. I meant what I said man. You could be the Etho's lab of Satisfactory. Not because you'll have the most subs. But because your'e so genuinely enjoying the wins and the losses in your your let's play. You're name will be known and you're creations will be implemented in the future.
Cool. Thanks.
a power based belt brake would be a really nice addition. This would be going in a direction similar to factorio, and would need some automated way of powering switches. In my opinion, this game needs better control signals, something like a master controller that contains a patchbox for all built switches
There are for sure some areas in automation/logic that the game could improve on. The devs said that won't be a part of the 1.0 release, but maybe in the future.
Just built (pretty much copied from 0.5 replay) my version of this based on the video and am beyond excited to use it. I never would have thought of using iron ore/copper ore as an item flow stopper. Had to rebuild a few times because of the offset parts and screwing up some conveyor crowded areas. This is exactly what I was wanting and talking to my friend about for our playthrough
That's really cool. I'm glad you got a lot of value out of this. Thanks for watching. 😁
This is pretty unreal! They should really just add the ability to turn on / off the conveyor belts directly to solve the problem though. Using smelters in this way is pretty crazy inventive though!
Thanks. Yea. Unique problems require unique solutions lol
The Iron Smelting option is a quite good idea, if you're limited in space, but at the hub, where you'll just need to build it once I would recommend takijg Erin Archi's way, of lovking it via Truck- or Train Stations.
You should check out my follow up video on this. It hit alternate methods like the truck station.
This is great. I'm not gonna use it but I'm so glad someone did it!
lol Thanks!
This video is making me think that we're definitely lacking in a few areas in terms of a resource management factory game. Just seeing what people do with a remote binary power switch is insane, and absolutely does help with practical QOL issues. There absolutely needs to be a way to power on/off splitters or entrances. I know they've been kinda iffy on adding a logistical system, but having a basic read/write system so you can help resource manage would be huge for this game.
I also see opportunity for fun things to assist with this! Like maybe a little, highly animated, robot that sits on your back and brings you resources from nearby bins until your inventory has a set amount.
Jedi Satisfactory...lol
I agree. Just a few more optional logic tools could really open up this game.
You are a genius. You shutdown the flow of items by clogging a splitter with ore. 300 IQ move.
Thanks. 😁
This is amazing! Can't wait to build my own version of this and use it in my warehouse.
Nice. Good luck!
The power shards was so close! I remember how your voice changed durring the stream while you were looking for them.😂
Almost as bad as losing 8 hard drives in a cliff huh? lol
Hypertubes FTW!
parachutes would have been wiser lol
Honestly dude, its just faster to build a hypercannon back to ur storage and one back to ur remote project. like a 10 sec trip to fill up ur inventory again. i use 10-12 connected entrances to fly basically across the whole map. a little lower than that and ul be good to go with a perfect launch from ur storage to ur new project, and the same back. This is too much for such a small and easily fixed thing. I have 3 differnet hypercannon blueprints if u need, and another cooler gravity cannon but it doesnt launch u as far.
I have hypercannon blueprints as well. Before dimensional storage this was still much faster than using the cannon.
The priority power switch really is an MVP such a great addition
Yea its so good for the game. It is very powerful.
now the solution is tons and tons of mercer spheres lol
True. I do think there's some limitations to the dimensional depot though. And I have an idea how I might be able to help solve that. We'll see. :)
That's pretty smart with the smelter, ha-ha!
I'd however prefer to source directly off the train with ALL items mixed across 4-5 wagons that goes into the 'resorting' facility when u are done with the build or need more :)
I'm currently working on such a system that loads wagons with sushi of items in controllable proportions. 1 wagon is dedicated to concrete because u often need a ton of it
Nice yea that can be a good change. I did do a follow up video to this one you might check out too, adds some more functionality.
I know your gonna hate me for saying this, but this functionality is already provided by the truck station. Unpowered, it will not allow belt fed input... but it does drain unpowered. All you need is the priority power switch and truck station.
You're not the first person to say that. Its all good. Truck stations are pretty big and you can't fit 5 in a BP designer.
There's some downsides to this design for sure. I'm fixing them in a new version in a video soon.
That is actually insanely smart.
Thanks.
This is a great vanilla solution. There is also a teleporter mod. In vanilla I usually just put a spur of a train line close to where I am building my huge factory not only for fast transportation but also as a way to store extra resources. I call it my building train.
For sure, I use the building train solution as well. Yea I wanted to provide a vanilla solution because at the time, I was playing in experimental and I didn't want to rely on a mod.
@@Kinstruction I love how you automated the whole process. When I do it I just put a few cars on the engine and fill them with a bunch of stuff from my mass storage and just hope my abundance gives me a few hours worth of materials. Your way is more legit due to the automation and not having to go back and forth. My build train makes me go back to base for more at some point. Kudos to you!
Exactly, I was having the same problem and I got tired of it lol.
@@Kinstruction "tired of it so I made a smart logistical move" should be a slogan of Satisfactory. Essentially because it's a game that takes hundreds of hours if you actually like it. I just popped 1k hours a few months ago.
Nice. Also is the slogan for human history lol.
It's always nice to see, how players exploit game mechanics. Well done! 👏
Thanks. You should see my other video that uses water packagers instead. 😀
Sounds interesting. I'll have a look! 👍
I think I linked that video in the description of this one.
Here's another method using priority switches without water packagers:
A: Train/truck- Product X out of a local factory to Central Storage
B: A Central Storage
C: Train/truck- one input and one output for each product. In station fed by A and keeps filing the central storage. The out station needs to feed from Central Storage and needs a priority switch. This will control what product flows to E
D: Train/truck- one input and one output. Input from all C's out stations to D's one in station
E: at a location you want to send things: a recieving station and an auto sorter for all items with an overflow sink. Can be done with two blueprints. Critical: Needs priority switch at in station to stop trucks/trains when done.
Create a route from D to E. Use priority power switches to turn on products at C, when and what needed- which feeds to D. Use overflow sinks at A and E only to avoid traffic
You should watch my follow up video to this one. The link is in the pinned comments. :)
Very slick! Too bad it’s mostly obsolete thanks to the dimensional depot…but this is great thinking! Makes total sense, and I’m going to keep it in the back of my mind in case I need it 😁
Not everything you need. Just use the list feature man😂 on the upper right of every building that you can build can be add to the todo list and you will never have those issues 🤣
I use it. Sometimes lol.
Genius, earned yourself a subscriber!
Thank you!
I did something similar to explicitly set the rate of items being allowed through by using fluid packagers and unpackagers, recycling both the empty containers and the fluid so that items weren't being sinked. This is a great solution though, and using the slow belts with the fast belts for the main items is a great hack. Thanks for sharing this trick. I may have to use this with drones instead of trains though....
Someone else had the idea of using packagers (or was that you? lol) I think its a good one.
For sure, this can and should be used for drones if you're far enough into the save. I had meant to mention that in the video, but forgot lol.
I'm glad you've found it helpful.
@@Kinstruction it might have been me. I posted about it a while back in one of the Facebook groups. Love this use of iron ore though, simple and effective
Thanks.
You have two choices. Either transport the resources like you did, or transport yourself (that sounds like an insult lmao).
Hypertube cannons were my choice, because I couldn't be bothered to make inventory refill stations all over the map.
True. I do think there is long term time savings in setting up a system to send yourself the resources.
Pretty neat idea. I was wondering if you'd have something clever for the train loading, so items would be "interleaved" so to speak, so you don't wind up with a train full of item 1 and completely missing items 2/3/4/5. I guess you could just remotely turn off item 1, wait a couple of train rotations, and now you'd be getting the other items. Rinse/repeat until you get all of what you need.
Thats basically what I do, and I think with how mergers work, you do tend to get items interleaved.
One big consideration I use is to make sure I spread out the items i'm most likely to call for in separate trains. Concrete, iron plates, plastic for example. That helps to spread the load out.
This is a great concept. Well done man!
Thanks. 😁
This is absolute Brilliant, the use of jamming splitter with another parts that it, and thats why I HATE to do THIS!! Not to take away anything from the brilliancy of thought which went behind this approach but u can achieve the same result using a truck station (just the station, no trucks) and the priority switch.
Add input and output belts to truck station and it'll only let the items pass from input to output if the power is on, that u can control via priority switch.
Few pros of that approach would be:
-much more compact
-u can have entire 780 item throughput rather than 780 minus 60 using the smart splitter method.
-less buildings, no need for awesome sink
-saving iron ore
Cons would be....I don't know maybe if u can overclock smelter to 200%, u can make it more compact than a truck station, but there is awesome sink as well so I'm not sure
But please let me know if missing something here.
Wouldn't you need an entire truck station for each item? I can't think of a way go use one truck station for more than one item.
That blueprint of mine handles 5 items. I think it's much more compact than than 5 truck stations would be. In fact I don't think you can fit more than one truck station in a blueprint and I've got 5 items in that one.
@@Kinstruction well... fair point... I'm not sure about how many truck stations we can fit there...i guess i never thought they were particularly huge, but sure....i guess u can't fit 5 of those there.... also ur using just one awesome sink for 5 setups so that gives u an advantage as well... i guess I'll have to strike compactness off my pro list.
edit : just checked we can fit 4 truck stations in Blueprint Designer will ample space left for beltwork and storage boxes. (again not comparing against size of Kinstruction's blueprint, just suggesting what can come inside one blueprint)
I can also use one awesome sink for all of them. I made it so they link up as long as you out them all in a line.
The truck stations a good idea. The best part about this game is there's multiple ways to solve problems.
16:30 I'd like to mention that you can't sink Power Shards or anything actually valuable.
Yea, I figured that out later, but at the time...well either way, it was a good reason to put that catch all storage. Its come in handy in my save.
this was a great way around how things work. question though the 60/m of ore into the smelters, does that matter?, wouldnt you just need the one smelter and simply fast enough belts that the smelter backs up quick enough when turning off? would only take one backed up smelter to block the line surely, speed of the belt only matters when switching it off so that the items stop as soon as they can. filling two smelters would slow that down surely.
I could have split the ore feed into 30 and 30 and do one smelter per line yea. Probably would have been better.
I actually redesigned this whole thing with packagers/unpackagers so its a closed system.
And then CG came out with the dimensional depot and now we don't need either lol.
1 - This remote storage system is awesome!
2 - Smart splitters should have item counters.
3 - A 2 left 2 right splitter is missing and solves any scalable belt issue
The idea that you are able to live in space but you cannot count is insane... Contact Coffee and request these
So they've talked about being able to manually split, meaning, send x items one way and y items the other way of your choice, and how figuring out how to balance belts is a core mechanic in the game and so they won't be providing a work around for it.
Wow, that is such an awesome idea! It would be cool to find a way to use this with the download depot in 1.0. I've been trying to come up with a way to remotely change what is going into the depot. But you could potentially do the priority trick, but you would have to pull a stack from your download depot to unclog the intake of the depot since it stores a stack after the depot item is filled. (Plus the remainder on the belt) But if you could remote activate the storage to start putting what item onto the belt, then there is some potential there.
This is exactly what I plan on building as soon as I can get that far. 😁
Man this is gonna be awesome with the digital storage
I think it works well with it too!
Freaking genius! I will be using this for sure!!!
Thanks. I use it everyday I play lol.
Meanwhile, I actually did design something like this - not limited to blueprint space but I used clogged smart splitters as logic - but I was amiss to the ability to control it remotely and I was like, "MAN I WISH THERE WAS A WAY I CAN FLIP SWITCHES ON OR OFF. BUMMER." and moved on with my life. 🤦♂
I'm curious though:
1. To reposition, you do need to modify the train line each time?
2. Remotely fetching materials, you still need to wait for the train each time?
3. Building the sorting output on sight, as well as extending the train line, have you found inventory issues during THAT process? Or is that something you have to be preemptive about?
4. How does it change with Drones? I haven't clicked on your second video yet, but I'm curious if it's faster / slower, easier to setup, etc?
5. Your video did a great job at showcasing the product but can you also leave a review of your own product? I'm curious of the pros and cons you have noticed through experience.
Nice. You got halfway there. 😁
1. I don't reposition the train line, but do add more train line to the next place. I just re-task the trains to drop off at the new station with a new remote storage/sorter.
2. I do still need to wait for the train, but its more of a constant process kind of thing. I just have on what I'm using, so its constantly resupplying.
3. There's a bit of inventory issue there, but just a few buildings/train stations until you get a solution in place beats constructing the entire new factory like that.
4. The biggest change with the drones is just the delivery system. The max is really 780 (or nearly 780 with the clogging materials taking up some space). Much more likely in the long run the weak link will be your automation capacity. If you're only making 20 Heavy Modular Frames per minute, it doesn't really matter how fast everything gets to you, you'll be getting 20 HMF per minute.
5. I did that a bit in the next video, that I do see you watched by the time I'm writing this comment.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, thank you.
Juste use truck station, on your first go record the way to the 2nd base, when you get back the second time, build 3-4 truck the send them via recorded path. Then recycle the trucks at the 2nd base
I've got a second video on this type of remote switch, I do talk about using truck stations as an option in that video. There are some downsides to using them, but ut is for sure a good solution depending on your needs.
Great solution! But i hope one day satisfactory will become closer to Factorio and wouldn't need such sort of a workarounds
Maybe. I'm ok with them being different. But some ability to do logic would be pretty cool.
Yes this is very clever.. i subscribed now. Ive been away fron the game for 8 months because i w8 for 1.0 but icant w8 no more.. this is going to be best fall ever..!!!
I agree. It's going to be great.
@@Kinstruction oh the man himself! What GPU are u using? Ur videos look great..
3080 TI.
I try to respond to every comment. 😀
Wow. Absolutely brilliant.
Thank you!
Awesome idea! I saw this video this morning and spent most of the day implementing it into my build. Works great. Many thanks! (Named my parts train, Lil Bitch. "fetch me some parts, lil bitch". LOL) All my other trains are named after Trailer Park Boys characters.
Nice, I'm glad you got some value out of this! That's a...unique naming scheme lol.
I've named my trains that deliver for me Uber Items 1 and Uber Items 2 lol.
Could you use drones? If you attached drones to your central storage, could build a drone port at your new build and use to request items from the central storage?
Funny you should say that: ua-cam.com/video/12tvLlt-VRI/v-deo.html
It is a good solution, but have one disadvantage.
If you have only one source and multiple destinations, it will not work for ever. If you turn the power on, you have no control where the items are unloaded. If one destination is full of e.g. iron plates it cant be unloaded and the train cargo have less capacity until it cant load new items.
To improve that you need a second train station at the source where the cargo is fully unloaded before it loads new items.
Yes, it's designed to send you materials to wherever you're working. It's purposefully for being fast and temporary, someplace you don't want to spend forever setting up permanent item shipping to.
If you finish at one lactation, just change the train route to the new location, but ya one at a time was the idea.
@@Kinstruction I am playing with 3 friends and we are not working all at the same location. We devided the tasks and builds. But based on your idea I will expand it for our purpose.
Keep up the good work!
I think you should try four drone ports. One for each of you and you're four locations. You could set up a switch to each of them so you all have your own source of materials.
@@Kinstruction Sounds good, will try it out. Thanks for the suggestion
Good luck!
Thats a clever way to do it!
Thanks. I actually made an updated version of that in a more recent video. It fixes some of the issues and uses drones.
i have multiple dimensional storages at my storage for every specific item, i dont even need an inventory anymore. i got 10 filled storages for each item, and 4 dimentional storages on the top of every item, so every item get put in those storages x4, plus my dimensional storages are also fully upgraded.
There is also a great bug in the game right now where u can just straight copy items, by doing a ''circle'' of a conveyer belt, and putting splitters or mergers where these belt connect, put a storage container in the middle of this conveyer belt ''circle'' and insert ur items u would like to copy and make them go around the belt. Now, simply demove all the splitters / mergers, and ur belt will have doubled, aswell as all ur items that were on the belt.
I'm aware of how the dimensional depot works and the bug, but I won't be using any exploits on my playthrough.
just curious, why have the iron ore come in in the first place, if all ur going to do is sink it? Maybe im just to simple brained to figure that out .
I'm not sinking the iron ore. I'm sinking the iron ingots, but only when I want the switch on and the items to flow.
So the iron ore blocks the item from flowing because it backs up the smart splitter. Then when I turn on the smelters, it eats the 60 iron ore per minute and that clears the smart splitter, allowing the item we want to flow into the train station. Then I sink the iron ingots.
The key is coming up with a way to "turn off" a belt using power. My method uses a trash item (iron ore) to block the belt, turning it off.
Make sure to rewatch the last 5 minutes or so of the video. I go over how that sending blueprint works. I go fast, but all the info is there, you'll see it.
It goes by pretty quick, but he explains it at 17:55. The smart splitter acts like a valve which is "open" as long as iron ore can flow. The iron flows because there are two smelters consuming them. The power switches assigned at 10:03 turn those smelters on and off, thereby controlling whether their corresponding smart splitter (valve) gets clogged with iron (closed) or not (open).
Very nice. You said it better than me lol
So, if I understand correctly, the ore smelting is what allows the chosen item(s) to proceed through to the train, and toggling them off stops the item from being able to send?@@Boo_T_Shayka
Right. Its really about clearing the ore from the line. The smelting does that and the switch turns on the smelter.
The inside looks terrible, because its so compact. And my man it is amazing. So simple and its perfect.
Thanks. Yea I jammed it in there lol
wouldn't it be more resource efficient to use looping packing and unpacking facilities?
You should watch my follow up video lol. It's linked in the description.
Could you put the How it works section after the intro, instead of after the rest of the video? It makes more sense to learn about a certain concept and THEN see how someone could use it in their own builds. Now it's more like a bunch of black boxes and a quick peek under the hood before the curtains close...
I can do better than that, I made a whole new video. ua-cam.com/video/12tvLlt-VRI/v-deo.html
is good, been following your series a bit. Just wondering, why did you change the iron ore to ingots via smelters?
You used an awesome sink before to just sink the ore to free up the smart splitter to get the items flowing, what was wrong with this setup?
It was huge. In that previous set up, I had one building almost as big as this one, but it only handled one item at a time. This building does 5 at once. So I need 6 total buildings instead of 30. And I can chain them into one sink, instead of needed a sink for each item.
Because the space requirements are so much less, its also much easier and faster to hook up.
this makes so much sense 🙂
keep it up, curious about the tower...@@Kinstruction
I shall! Thanks for the support.
18:00 does it matter if I cant provide 720 items p/m of my needed item ?
No, that'a a maximum. I make much less than that on all my items and the system works just fine. In fact, fully loading it could cause throughput problems in your trainline anyway.
Still usefull for large Projects in 1.0! Dimensional depot is to slow and small for the big projects i build. So it also found its way to my 1.0 save! Still a big fan of this idea!
Yes, I plan on doing the same thing. Need more time to play with it and I'll be making a new video once I have it figured out.
I’ve played hundreds of hours of Satisfactory and Factorio, and the addition of priority power switches gives a tiny taste of the circuit logic opportunities in this game. This system is genius, and would be made so much simpler if the game had a powered splitter that could be controlled directly rather than clogged!
Thanks.
I've been thinking of adding a second game to the channel. Factorio is a possibility.
Or give Space Engineers a try
I picked up Dyson Sphere Program. I'm going to play it a few Friday nights a week on the channel.
Wait! Before I watch this, my solve is a auto sorter for storage. A train that has a utility cargo behind main engine : then two more engines or cargo/fluid depending on the job. This first cargo can go to a depo base and load a set of pre selected items. ( Collect from different places and get various things)
Make a storage to auto sort what you'd like and trash or move the rest. Depending on the level of output via beltage. You can get a lot or few of linked items.
The train runs continuously and stocks it's stations.
That being said... No idea how this is going to be accomplished 😂 let's see.
Edit: Brilliant 😅 very sneaky sir.
That's half the problem for sure. Let me know what you think
But this should work with copper ore as well right?
Right, anything that will block it that you can use up if you provide power. I redesigned this whole thing later to use empty cannisters and a closed system of water packagers.
Just FYI, now with the dimensional depot in the game, this is a bit less useful than it was :)
God damn this is genius.
Thank you. 😊
Fantastic idea!
Thank you! I actually made a follow up video to this. I linked to it in the description. It adds drones and packaged water and gets rid of the iron ore.
Really clever, loving it
Thanks!
Cool! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, glad you like it.
@@Kinstruction I'm still really new, but it is amazing to see what folks come up with. Happy New Year!
You too. Glad you've found the game. Its good new people keep coming into the community.
This moment: Ironore - Why tf do i need this... 10 Minutes later: OMG. This guy is such a genius! i have "only" 1300 hours in this game and would even with 13000 hours come out with such an solution #respect #brainonBeforePower ;)
Thanks. I actually made another video with another version that includes drones. Instead of iron ore it uses a closed loop of water packagers.
Excellent design good sir!
Thank you, nerdy old gamer. 😊