Why weren't Humans Allowed into the Covenant - Halo Lore
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Why were Humans not allowed into the Covenant, when a variety of other Alien races were? We'll cover this and more in our continual lead up to Halo Infinite, on today's Halo Lore Short!
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If only the TV show writers knew how dumb and lore breaking having a human alive and in a position of power within the covenant really is
@nooooooooo yeah because that'll be guaranteed to make fans flock to it in droves
The creators are basically saying "we're putting a halo skin on a sci-fi setting to try to get people to watch it. But make sure anyone who watches it makes sure to know that absolutely everything they thought they know about this universe is completely different in the show."
Complete idiocy if you think it's justified.
Wait, does that happen in the show?? Haven't watched it
*show spoilers*
They did KINDA make up for it by killing her in and the prophets telling her she was a means to an end
@nooooooooo there is a difference between a what if and taking away everything that made the series interesting
@nooooooooo then where is that in title? pretty misleading i was expecting a halo story not fanfic kek
TL;DR, the Covenant is jealous that humanity is the chosen species to reclaim the forerunner legacy.
Their god had a favorite and it wasn't them; it was the species that invented truck balls.
@@Servellion and the cats musical
Its not really jealousy, its a power grab. The prophet's would have lost it.
The existence of humanity threatened their control. If most of the Covenant had known the truth, they would have worshipped humanity. Humanity would likely be placed above the prophets in the Covenant hierarchy.
Aren't humans forerunners themselves?
@@bizmasterTheSlav Nope. We share a "parent" with the Forerunner in the precursors, but we aren't Forerunner. They just set us up as their inheritors after they fired the rings and fucked off to another galaxy.
The prophets were mad that we were technically the chosen ones and then labeled us as shoot to kill on sight.
they're like Gmod DarkRP admins
actually they wanted to kill humans so nobody in the covenant can find out their religion is a lie and cause the entire empire to collapse
Sight*
@@wyvern5903 saight
@@YoRHaUnit2Babewhat?
I like that after years of fighting even some Elites question why Humans aren’t allowed to join especially after proving themselves worthy with how long Humanity is holding out
Well humanity really didn't hold out that much, in the books reach fell within days, Idk if I remember correctly but it was like a week, the impressive part for the elites was that despite humans losing so badly they kept fighting, humanity never gave up and that was more than worth respecting and admiring
@@alexispedraza5826 Well the war started in 2525 and didn't end until 2553 which I would say is holding out for a long time which was about 28 years of being at war
@@alexispedraza5826 not to mention the covenant had conquered countless species into submission/extinction. many societys and civilizations fell to the might of the covenant and the humans were not near as experienced in warfare as the covenant was . and not to mention the covenant was leaps and bounds ahead of humanity in terms of technology
@@alexispedraza5826 the fact that humans survived the war would mean they indeed held out better than any other species/ society that encounter the covenant in the past .
@@BrianHarkness well yeah 28 years is a long time but the major reason for the war lasting that long was the covenant needing to find every single planet since the UNSC was very effective at deleting any information relating any human planets, reach for example was found due to a tracking device attached to a human ship which survived a fight with some covenant ships, do when they got to reach for some reparations, the covenant found it, I think in the books the UNSC was considering a 10 month period before the covenant found reach and just bc of that, they found it sooner
TLDR: We were a plot hole in their religion.
Not just a plot hole, but one big enough that completely shredded it into irrelevance. The Covenant Prophets basically found out that not only was their religion as real as Scientology is, but that this fact also irrevocably took away any semblance of authority that they had.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Scientology isn’t real though. Nothing more than a money cult like the Corpus of Warframe.
@@hiddendesire3076that’s the point lol
Hate when that happens
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Unlike Scientology however, the Covenant responded with something worse than lawyers.
Someone show this to the Halo show writers
They’re the ones that changed the lore back with halo 4, this shit sucks
@@tutudanny They aren't, the show writers aren't 343. In fact the showrunners basically said they intentionally didn't play the games.
@@ODSTGeneralYT Kiki wolf kill, she changes any lore she touches, if you join the forums you’d know Kiki is was laughed out of them because she wants chief to be a hallmark husband
@@ODSTGeneralYT just saying it’s literally the same person
@@tutudanny Kiki is credited as an Executive producer and its probable 343 was consulted for the show. BUT Kiki has no writing credits nor directing credits on the show.
Man i can relate to the covenant i am also in an age of doubt
May the true God bless your heart and ease your mind. Amen friend
@@Lokiip whatever god that is
@@chadsworthgigaII it doesn't, your just another 1 of them with those BS, because you cant explain it makes it "spiritual"
WTF
I got an open mind, i experience bs every day, and i dont give a faq
1000th like a year late
@lucasparadee6324
May you one day grow the courage to examine your own beliefs.
Humans literally invalidated their religion. So instead of coming to terms with that realization, the Prophet of Truth would instead live with the lie and ordered humanity’s extermination. Since it was around the time he was given the title of ‘Truth’, even he would admit to the irony of his own name
The three prophets sre the antithesis of their titles. Regret was too proud to admit an error, Mercy was easy to anger and would order executions for the smallest crimes, and Truth was a professional liar and manipulative.
Sarge: "The Covenant won't let us join 'em and I think I know why."
Cortana: "Why?"
Sarge: "Because we keep sending their ashes to their wives and children!"
Marines: "OORAH!"
And their husbands
@@gabrieltejada1697ain’t no way you just said that LMAO
@@gabrieltejada1697you’re the kind of person to say it’s not history it’s herstory
@@fenomeno7150 nonbinarystory
🗿🍷🍷🍷
@@fenomeno7150 Lol why are you so upset?
In an alt universe, the covenant started worshipping humans.
That would happen if the grunts wasn't too excited
It's even sadder when you find out that the race the prophets belonged to and Humanity before the forerunners sent us back into the stone age were actually incredibly tight-knit.
Please explain
@@user-kj5yc4xc3yThe basic gist is that the ancient humans saw the san'shyuum (the younger ones at least) to be very rizzling. (not even joking, the san'shyuum were considered very attractive by humans, but as they age their eyes would grow apart)
You did not just say rizzling 😭 @@theloweffortchannel7211
@@user-kj5yc4xc3ythe prophets race and the early humans were Allies at first against. the forerunners because at the time the forerunners were jealous that the precursors chose humanity over them to bear the mantle.
@@samjasek1755, The Fact Bro didn't had eyes to see if this man in a green suit is the "Child of his enemy" or "a just a look-alike".
See, the Covenant didn't know that the humans had 1) plot device and 2) the player character.
Apparently, humans won ground engagements more often than not. The covenant had vastly superior spaceships, though and could always resort to orbital bombardment.
@@snakeman830 Because the humans had the player character on the ground
@@ZerospacedudeUntil he went to space and started uno reversing nukes
@@snakeman830the covenant leadership fought conservatively because they technically couldn't win because sooner or later they would have to explain why they couldn't fire a ring.
While humans were vastly outmatched on paper, covenant leadership was fighting a proxy war in a desperate attempt to maintain power.
If the prophets had let the elites make the calls humanity would have lost
@@snakeman830it's like winning in a game against your sibling, but they start lashing out about us cheating
Humans: *asks legit questions*
Aliens: "you aren't supposed to do that"
I'd say Prophets are the main dicks that should've been killed in the first place cause others just followed em since well... It's prophets who was lying
Less aliens entirely more the religious sect that can't except the truth and thusly want to live a huge lie and force everyone along with that plan
I love this so much because we can relate to it
One of the actual worst and costly Human conflicts in all of science fiction was started over a lie told by three jackholes.
Human: I have a question
Covinent: (heavy breathing)
Man, imagine if the Covenant came across the Imperium
Better idea: imagine if THE FLOOD did.
@@TheOriginalJphyper Came across the Imperium? That's called Tyranids
@@CaptUnstoppable No matter how much I learn about Warhammer, it's always just scratching the surface. It seems like every possible idea one could have, Warhammer's already done it.
@@TheOriginalJphyper and made it much more dangerous
@@CaptUnstoppable *grimdark
dangerous is just the first step in the process
Can't have shit in 40k
The book "Halo: Contact Harvest" covers all of this in great detail as well as details about how the AI work and a bit about Sgt. Johnsons background. It also does a good job giving a look at how humanity Pre-Covenant look at the galaxy and life in that time as a whole.
From reading harvest it was my understanding that the covenant declared a holy war on humanity because they saw them as forerunners that were left behind because they were undeserving to go on the great journey and the covenants main belief and goal was that they were all going to be going on the great journey. So they believed humans were unworthy of the great journey and they were afraid their followers would leave the covenant if they thought there was a chance they wouldn't get to go on the great journey.
I think it’s more that humans were seen as the reclaimers meant to inherit forerunner tech instead. The prophets saw that as offensive since in the covenant only the prophets could work with forerunner tech
I thought they feared their entire people would follow the reclaimers if the great journey is long and hard why not follow the guys that actually completed it and not the space hobo with stolen tesla
That's because in the original Bungie lore, Humans were Forerunners. 343i later retconned it, and now there's not a reason why the war happened and none of the Bungie games are canon
@@SuperTheast no, he's right. What you're saying is a retcon
@@Freelancer837 it’s still a tossup. Keep in mind that the Oracle mentioned in Harvest is mendicant bias. He would’ve seen the reclaimer symbol as meaning forerunner but it’s established fairly early that humans were meant to be reclaimers so it’s possible that it’s just a misunderstanding of the Oracle. I can’t search through all the original books easily but there is mention of humans having the reclaimer statues in the original books which still would’ve been bungee and not 343 that was in charge of lore. Also, all the original games are still 100% canon even as well as the original books. Even in the book depicting CE reclaimers are mentioned and as far as I can tell, even the re-release was before 343 took over which would mean it was still bungie. 343 definitely hard retconned some aspects but I believe humans as reclaimers has been around before 343 and still holds true
I personally wish they went with the original idea to make the forerunners human. Characters like the diadect would have been way more interesting If they add a somewhat personal connection to humanity yet still going to wipe them out to begin a new.
I agree, the new retconned lore sucks. That being said, the Didact wouldn't have been a character in Bungie's lore. First, didact is a rank, not a character. Second, the specific didact we know about, the one who lit the rings, died with all the rest. There was no Forerunners who survived the original firing of the rings. That didact died and became the template for Humanity's progression.
Kinda dumb that the halo show had a human in the covenant
Many covenant aliens would have allowed humans to join since the Elites admired courage
In some books a few humans joined the covvies, it isn't too far fetched that humans join a collective perceived enemy
The show eventually did clarify that they only had that human in there as a means to an end, but even then, it's still dumb. Like, even in the games, only the Prophets and their most trusted subordinates knew humans could use Forerunner tech.
This is old but even in the book lore humans are in the covenant. They recruit humans who don’t mind killing their own species then use them to unlock artifacts only killing them after they lost use for the human. The show was at least partially successful in showing us that part of the covenant as books like the flood talk about this but the main games never had us encounter those humans.
@@LionWithAGun sure the covenant took humans prisoners such as keyes, and the soldiers at Delta Halo but they never indoctrinated them
Luminaries are souls wrapped in a metal shell. They understand our mistakes because they made them. They were us once.
Halo TV show writers: how about we do that anyway
The original story of humanity being related to and/or Forerunners themselves is sooo much better than 343’s garbage.
Cant stop dickriding😭
That lore is still canon, what are you on about?
@@SolotociusWhat does that make Halo 4 onwards?
@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060 also canon, albeit a soft reboot (meaning the initial lore stays canon but the new story focuses on something else).
Actually a Forerunner scientist (I believe The Librarian) said that Humans had alarmingly similar genetics to the Forerunners, hinting that they may have previously been one species purposefully diverged by the Precursors.
Then they go away from the good storyline, blame Halsey instead of ONI, and systematically take all good things from Halo until they leave it close to dead with infinity.
Someone is mad
@@alphanoodle1877 Yes. disappointed might be a better word.
I understand your pain since my family and I have been on this train since the very beginning of it all, but make no mistake Halo is not dead. Endeavor to persevere. It may be sad to see what’s become of it now, but we can rehabilitate it and give back to the world what it so awesomely gave to us as we were growing up on the world’s finest video game era.
If it fails at lease we can say it died with dignity. That we all stood together and gave it our VERY ALL. I love Halo and I love it’s fans. So if enough people can come together across the board of all franchises and make greatness happen I truly believe the fans will take the power back and wear it’s prosperity with moderation.
The covenant in short: were just jealous
If your beliefs are threatened by questions, I got bad news for you
In bungie’s halo humanity was intended and hinted to be the forerunners. That’s why they were called reclaimers.
Bungie themselves changed that in Halo 3. You can read about the Librarian in the terminals.
@Randy.Bobandy right so a few text logs and an arg both written by Frank O’Connor overrules the other 2/3s of the terminals in Halo 3, The rest of Halo 3, the other 5 games, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, The Flood and Contact Harvest
@@Randy.BobandyAt this point that is just being in denial. Some easter eggs written by Frank O'Connor invalidates 5 games and multiple books that all point to humanity being Forerunner?
Evil Otto (Bungie employee during Halos 1-3) said "one of the most striking retcons" was to see humans and Forerunners were completely different species in the Forerunner saga books. Guilty Spark also tells you to your face that you are Forerunner. I don't know why people keep saying "Bungie changed their minds in Halo 3" when it's clearly not the case. One guy (a community content manager) who had a different idea than the lead writers put his own fanfaction in some easter eggs, who becomes franchise creative director at 343i after.
@@Randy.BobandyThe terminals in Halo 3 just added the idea that the Forerunners were a subset of early humans uplifted by a more advanced civilization.
Tldr: humanity was like a third grader asking questions that the covenant just couldn't allow in the room. 😂
how very human of them
Humans written the show, what do ya think
The Halo book, "Harvest", explains all this. It's an awesome book to read.
Ah the classic war with heretics, the good ol’ days, with a good ol’ burning at the stake.
Before the lore was ruined...
The Forerunners were actually just ancient humans. When the prophets found this out, they kept it a secret and told the rest of the covenant that they desecrated Forerunner artifacts and were deemed heretics and ordered their extinction. This was a lie due to the fact that if the covenant masses found out their religion was a lie, their empire would fall. This is all noted in the book Halo: Contact Harvest.
The sad part that we were this 👌 close to have humans live along with other races but Fockin Prophets ruined everything
Makes more sense than forerunners being an ancient race apart from humans. It was unnecesary making dozen different ancient races to fit the lore.
So we're their gods...
In a roundabout way yes
In Bungie Lore yes. In 343 lore we are their gods Enemies.
@@devildolphin2102 ah, thank you for clarifying
Demons
Yes humanity at its peak is beyond anything imaginable to the covenant we are the reclaimers it’s like when the Rich billionaire granddad dies and leave everything in their will to use 😂
*As the Covenant soon found out, this turned out to be what is known as a bad idea.*
If the lies weren’t so deeply in grained in the alien races of halo humanity could have been the leaders of the covenant making for a very different story
Real reason: Forerunners were humans or we are their descendants. 343 decided to retcon that.
Why do so many people believe this? Did you not read the terminals in Halo 3? Bungie retconned that themselves.
@@Randy.Bobandy no. They didn't. Listen to what spark said at the end.
who is your favourite star wars youtuber if you dont include yourself
I like EC Henry, CoreysDatapad, Star Wars Explained
@@EckhartsLadder Have you ever heard of the Star Wars channel Generation Tech? They make some pretty good lore vids
Not sure hmmmm
Good question though
Yeah they’re good too
It gets better, at one point the Sangheli (Elites) were consantly inpressed by humanities courage and honour despite such insurmountable odds and at one point petitioned the prophets to allow humans entry into the covenant.
It was swiftly declined. Thats when the elites began asking more questions which lead to the great schism and the covenant civil war.
I will never accept the new lore.
Same brother.
To expand on this- I'm reading Harvest right now- The original Prophets of Truth, Mercy, and Regret were the three San'Shyuum who were made aware that their idea of 'reclamation', things they thought meant good forerunner tech that they could take, is actually 'reclaimer'- Humanity. These three San'Shyuum took over as the aforementioned Prophets, and to protect the idea of the Covenant and the great journey, simply decided to wipe these reclaimers- Humanity- out.
But yet a war would still be there because that's how they got the other aliens to join them it was war.
But they wanted to exterminate humanity, unlike the other races that were subdued and then integrated in to the covenant; that's in part why the elites were betrayed by the prophets, since a lot of them were questioning why humanity needed to be with out of the galaxy since they started to view humans as noble warrior worthy of joining the covenant.
@@SkitariusNoKD especially since one of the species they had literally ate foreunner artifacts.
@@barrymanning4861 yeah, though the hunters who ate the artefects were completely wiped out (the only ones who became part of the covenant are the ones who ignored the forerunners's alloys
(IF I am not wrong)
Imagine walking across the street to a coffee shop only to see thousands of objects fly from CAS Class Assault Carrier.
Nope
Humans ARE the forerunners. I'm a pre 343 lore appreciator
Same
BUNGIE CHANGED THAT IN HALO 3. If you’re a pre 343 lore appreciator, then why didn’t you read the terminals in Halo 3?
@@Randy.Bobandy because there was one really stubborn guy who worked as a writer during halo 3, and then went on to work for 343 as well, who prefred his version of humanity not actually being the forerunners, so he went out of his way to add his fanfic stuff on the terminals I suppose was part of his job, a my way or the highway situation, pretty petty to be honest... Humanity being the forerunners was stupidly retconned, and I personally prefer to consider Bungie 's lore superior over 343 because the idea of Humanity being the forerunners, the gods the covenant revered to, so damn metal xD
Based good writing appreciator
@@Randy.Bobandy But the Oracle, 343 Guilty Spark literally calls Master Chief a forerunner in their final confrontation in Halo 3. I take the cutscenes as more lore accurate than a terminal text wall.
It really pleases me that the Marathon logo got rebranded into the Reclaimer symbol
I mean, that's what it always was. Halo was going to be a Marathon game originally as well. But the symbol had to be changed when Bungie left
@@Freelancer837 yeah I know. What I'm saying is I'm glad in some way it's still around
The annoying thing is, if it weren't for this, humans could have been part of the Covenent since their whole deal is a coalition of species.
And yet the writers of the Halo show couldn't even be bothered to try and use that one possibility to explain a human in the Covenent.
The terminal where the rogue elite is questioned by Guilty Spark is so unintentionally funny to me. Spark is just like “did you not find it convenient that, for millennia, whenever your greatest leaders went to ask the covenant a question, they were coincidentally accused of treasonous actions?” And the elite is just “uhhhhhhh”
Through the Trees is such a good Halo song
Of all the years of halo I'm still shocked that the halo ring is a big weapon man that's some fire power
now imagine our giant rock ball Earth is actually a weapon...
It still makes more sense that Humans are Forerunner
Not only doe Mendicate Bias state that the Reclaimersare his creators, but after some thinking I realized that humanity built the slip space drives from scratch, while it’s common knowledge that the Covenant got their better slip space tech from scavenged Forerunner tech
Elites: "You left the galaxy's hands to.... THEM?! No offense."
Me: "No, no, no, I'm with you!"
SPLIT LIPS ARE GONE CRABRAVE!!!!
Whats worse is that instead of the Elites handling negotiations they sent the Brutes. Whome basically told humanity to gtfo the planet in exchange for some covenant Tech. Or Die. Yah we all know how that song and dance went.
This sounds like sometime that would actually happen
I wish the games could kinda cone back to this plot line and that the humans will somehow eventually become what the forerunners meant for them to be
I feel this can be avoided entirely if the humans and covenant just kept it secret and shared the mantle
The problem is that you can't trust an entire race to keep something a secret like that. And the moment it gets out that Humans are Forerunners, everything falls apart. Plus, the Prophets thought Humanity knew they were Forerunners
the halo lore and story is unmatched im so glad i grew up while games were still good and not just money hungry
Wait halo infinite is good now, the campaign could’ve been better but the multiplayers has improved so much from its start
Back in the day I thought that Covenant declared humans heretics and started to purge them because all the species in the Covenant had their technology based on Forerunner relics and was thus a gift from their gods but humans did not have this Forerunner connection.
I thought it was cuz a stupid human killed an elite and that started a retaliation of war
The Prophets could have just said we were left as guides to the great journey and easily avoided getting their asses kicked by the Master Chief
The problem is, Humanity being Forerunners made them fundamentally a threat to their religion, and the Prophets thought Humanity knew they were Forerunners
There is actually a small chance that conquering and integrating humanity may have been beneficial to the Covenant in the long run.
Watched your videos when I was younger really liked them good work👍
In 343s retcon sure but in the real version it’s because the Forerunners were human, Guilty Spark says this in Halo 3 and Mendicant Bias says this without the slightest bit of ambiguity to Truth Regret and Mercy in Contact Harvest by Joseph Staten and is hinted dozens of times in the other games and the Novels written by Nylund and Dietz
There's a Bollywood movie sort of like this .. correlates with the nobody stopping Jesus for good
What?
I believe that Jurassic park Ark ship belongs to these beings. Lost and found. Nice to meet you, not my war
My brother in Christ humans ARE forerunners
So this would have been the rough equivalent if techno Jesus ended up putting something around a small tribe designated that they are the inheritors of his power and message.... Yeah I could definitely see how an all-encompassing theological state would try and bury that
Even in death the Forerunners screw over humanity.
That's actually a retcon, Humans were Forerunners earlier in the series.
Humanity is what remains of the Forerunners.....how did they screw over humanity lol?
@@recycledwaste8737In lore Humanity was the Covenant’s rival. The Forerunners unintentionally created the Flood when they betrayed and tortured the Precursors who became the Flood looking to destroy the galaxy in revenge. Humanity was hit first and fought to destroy the Flood and save all sapient species, the Forerunners refused to heed our warnings and thought our actions were that of military expansion so they attacked us and not only butched all of humanity but then regressed those to a Cave man species who was then taken and sacrificed to create their promethean knights to fight the Flood cause now the Flood couldn’t be contained since humanity was destroyed. That’s why the Forerunners didn’t save themselves from the Halo Rings, they caused all that bullshit out of pride and hubris.
@@eXpriestHumanity being the Forerunners would have so much cooler than the Didact!
@@Southern_Crusader Humanity ARE the Forerunners, according to all official lore written by Bungie. In short:
In an attempt to control the Flood, ancient humanity (Forerunners) created the Halo rings, and fired them.
This didn't come without a cost, as it left only a handful of humanity alive on Earth with only stone-age level technology available to them.
All of ancient humanity's (Forerunner) technology and culture was left to rot for millennia while modern humans regained their standing as a space-fairing species.
In that time, the Covenant (which didn't exist during the war against the Flood) was formed, and began their cult around the Forerunner tech. Namely, the Halo rings.
As the Covenant gathered more Forerunner tech, it was revealed to its leadership that the technology actually belongs to humanity, who are meant to reclaim it once they discover and understand it. (Which is why humanity as a whole is dubbed as Reclaimers, not just Master Chief).
This obviously pisses off the Covenant leaders, who built their entire empire on a lie. Rather than admitting the lie, they double-down and wage a holy war against humanity. This is where the games pick up the story.
The concept of humanity and the Forerunners being separate cultures didn't come to be until 343 took the reigns from Bungie, and is largely considered a non-canon add-on.
Whooo the music in the background brought back a lot for some reason!😮
So...... Their crusading because someone questioned their beliefs
That does sound familiar
As a halo player that's been playing halo since I was 5 yrs old, I love this explanation❤
The Covenant spaceship jump out from the warp gate on the Terran orbit at WH40K universe.
Covenant Prophet: Long live the Omnissiah, Emperor of Mankind.
The symbol is reminiscent of the logo from Marathon. A game trilogy that Bungie made, before they made Halo.
Hey Eck since you brought the Symbol up have you ever watched MandaloreGaming's Marathon reviews? If so, have you ever given them a look? Maybe even considered a deep dive?
I just wanna imagine a world where master chief joins the covenant
Bro but the variety of tech and guns in covenant is just awesome. Although I like the speed of Human weapons but covenant weapons are just too awesome and more available
This fact kinda makes me sad that bungie reneged on the original “twist” that forerunners WERE just humans all along
An irony is that Ancient Humans and the Prophets were allies before the firing of the Halos. How times change...
I'm excited to see what the show does differently in with this bit of lore. I didn't like the covenant human at first, but now I think it's a cool way tell a new story we haven't really seen before
That swarm scene was so scary looking man
Someone send this to the writers of the halo tv show
This is the bad, retconned lore either way, so this isn't much better than the TV show
OMG that's the Marathon symbol... pretty much. It's so cool to see so many Marathon Easter eggs in Halo.
Yeah the humans were the forerunner before 343 changed the lore
Whats crazy is the San Shyuum backstabbed humanity twice and we still came out on top
It was part of the reason why the great schism happened, the sanghelli wanted to extend the humans an invitation to join the covenant due to how strong their tactics were and how determined they were, the prophets started publicly defaming the sanghelli due to this
It’s kinda funny that feels it like we’ve been fighting a war with the covenant since where kids it’s hard not to get immersed in a game that you played since you where a kid
"asked impossible questions" isnt the reason remotely.
Humanities existence makes "the great journey" a lie. The covenant believe that they will all get to go on the great journey but humanity show that some will be left behind.
If members of the covenant think they'd be left behind them they would rebel against the covenant.
Seriously. What a freaking AWESOME story.
"what do you mean? Reclaimers? I thought you meant Reclaim?!"-The Prophets of the covenant
Man if humans were allowed in the covenant the great journey you come pretty quickly
The real reason is because Humans are Forerunners. Therefore, Forerunners still being around and not gods meant that the Great Journey was a lie. So, Humanity's very existence threatened the Covenant's entire religion to collapse.
I don't think people realize just how devistating this could be for an entire culture. Imagine if humanity encountered other high tech humans that were (black or white or korean, mongolian, ect) and said their race was the chosen ones.
I wouldn't blame the non-chosen ones to be a little pissed, but exterminations a bit too dramatic.
So many lives lost over a misinterpretation
Tbh they could have easily explained this
Something along the lines of
"these are the forerunners who chose not to go on the great journey, but instead to help guide others to it" or something like that idk
Mercy died because his fellow prophet denied it. Regret died because of a poor decision. Truth died believing his own lies.
Man they shot them selfs in the leg with that one.
i always love the alien invading humans thing but humans can actually fight back
And then 343 retconned the Forerunners as a new species. 🙄 Guilty Spark literally says to Chief “YOU ARE FORERUNNER.”
Yeh, among 343's greatest sins.
It be cool if all of humanity joined the covenant it would be a cool what if or a movie or even a game
That's why the "arbiter" is some what exiled
Now thats how you write believable and interesting lore
Source material is the book halo contact harvest highly recommended read