What is the BEST MASTERING PLUGIN?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- - Musik Hack Master Plan: www.musikhack.com/products/
- United Plugins Master Mind: www.pluginboutique.com/produc... (affiliate)
- Exonic UK AI Master: www.exonicuk.com/product-page...
- LANDR Mastering Plugin: www.pluginboutique.com/produc... (affiliate)
- iZotope Ozone 11 Advanced: www.pluginboutique.com/produc... (affiliate)
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INDEX:
00:00 Intro
00:51 Category 1: Old Fashioned
01:50 Category 2: No Control
03:12 Category 3: Some Control
04:59 Category 4: Full Control
08:10 Comparison
09:15 Conclusion - Навчання та стиль
I would literally pay money to NOT have a stupid robot face staring at me as I'm trying to master my music.
*stares at Joe-mz6dc's avatar*
@@Frikoppie hahahaha
😂 I don't wanna see any face on my plugin. Not even if It's CLA's.
Lollll
😅 damn that's one creepy robot
Really enjoying your content at the moment, im checking regularly. Keep up the good work!
❤ that you went back to the classic “let’s get started” opening. This one rules
Just a big Thanks for all you do! Definitely a big fan... 😍
Thank you, I think this is a good reference for my hobby projects. My sound is getting better but still I do not have it completely under control.
Please make some more mastering start to finishes! Love your process and mindset
me too!!!
Great video as usual. My two cents: learn to mix. A mastering engineer doesn’t do as much as you might think. A great mix makes for a gold master. Otherwise, it’s just a shortcut; makeup even. Once you nail the levels, the overall tonal balance, and especially the bass/treble relationship, your master will sound good with nothing more than a simple compressor and EQ. It’s all about the basics.
Best comment 👍🏻
Spectral understanding, ears (NOW WITH THE POTENTIAL AID OF CORRELATING THAT TO VISUAL INFORMATION AS WELL! LET'S ASK DEVIN TOWNSEND ABOUT THAT!). Does the average person even know how garbage compressors and EQs are?
Technically compressors simply lose information. How cool is that?
@@ViziaFilms How the hell do you have 211 subscribers?
@@ViziaFilms Really? You reckon I don't know false when i see it?
True. Nowadays, where you can allways go back to your mix in a DAW, it is not necessary to make a master the „old way“. A good mix and finish it with a little bit eq, comp and a limiter on the bus and it’s ready. Problems can allways get fixed in the mix today.
Great video. Would love to see your mastering chain plus what plugins you would use if you had to master in the box.
Of the three presented, I preferred the Exonic. That surprised me, but I thought it had the best overall result for loudness, volume, and dynamics. The Landr had the highs less prominent than the other two, but the eq can be adjusted. I find Ozone 11's AI results a bit too dramatic and need to be manually backed off. All of that said, I still prefer to be able to tweak any AI results if I feel it is needed. Yes, I would love it if Wytse did show us his mastering work flow. Great video!
Would love to hear your thoughts on the new Logic Mastering Assistant.
On my Master Bus: Waves Audio SSL G-Master Buss Compressor (glue the mix), Ozone 10 Standard (I don't use the maximizer), Sonible Smart Limiter
I would be very interested to hear your opinions on the new Logic Pro Mastering module that now sits on the Stereo Bus of Logic 10.8.
I like to use a lot of nugen audio stuff on my master chain as it has some unique tools for fixing very specific issues that often end up in mixed tracks. They are also really high quality sounding too.
Lace just came out today and its amazing!
It changes all the time for me, but recently the SSL fusion plugins have been in my mastering chain; slight tweaks from each, but also Fabfilter MB and Fabfilter L1 - but it changes depending on the music; I find Ozone can be a bit bright sometimes but of course very very tweakable.
My go to is definitely Ozone advanced, currently using version 10 and 9 (especially 9 because of the standalone software feature wich reduces a lot of cpu usage)
yes, please make a mastering chain video, that sounds awesome
A.I robot one actually has a lot of flavor, it's like the other ones "should" sound good but the robot one has something of too much but that too much actually sounds nice
I'm the same as you, and using my ears and different chains, analog and digital. On the way you learn about music, what I miss with these kinds of plugins. It becomes not personal anymore, everybody has a signature sound, which AI can't replace, IMO.
I would really appreciate to see a mastering video by you! By myself I am switching „constantly“ between Exonic, Ozone and my own build mastering chain. In my experience the result of these plugins totally depends on the music style. I like the exonic because it gives eléctronic music a good punch and also transparency. To my ears, Ozone is not developing more soundquality over the years, just more features. My personal favorite at the moment is Softube Drawmer S73, because it’s easy to use, you can chain it and to my ears, it sounds really good. And I like the Sonible smart limiter, I think it sounds more better than the ozone stuff.
Focusrite Fast.. Possible to "Rent" until paid and then cancel when something better comes. EQ and Limiter I like those..very Handy and You got videos about it. Great
I went for the ozone 11 as I was quite satisfied with ozone 9. It is truely enough at my mixing level for rock / neo metal music.
Master Plan is amazing, definitely one of the best sounding units. Also, JST Maximizer is really good. Both of which aren’t AI but they’re great “Mastering” suits if you like having control.
HCL ISLANDER WAVEGROVE for the clipper and minor comp and saturation, ssl x-eq 2 (mid side if need) but mainly for non ringing eq curves, then Weiss maximizer and ds1 plus master plan. Current chain but also like using satin and presswerk in certain cases
Yes I want see a master session
I thought they all sounded pretty good in the comparison. I've been using the Exonic one for close to 2 years now and it's staggering how much it improves with each version release. It's a great plugin and I think more people would give it a try if it wasn't for the jokey robot GUI
TC Electronic Finalizer is a Great Mastering Plugin as well.
Would love to see a mastering chain video!
I would really like to understand your criteria in choosing plugins and hardware for mastering as well as the order in the mastering chain as I have already heard the demo songs published on your website and I really liked the results. So, please make a video about it, it will definitely be very useful for your entire community of followers
Arbitrary dimension spectral harmonics or gtfo
Hallo, weer een geweldige video.
Mag ik vragen welk Theme je gebruikt op Reaper?
Great Video! Something unrelated. There will be the release of Smart:EQ 4 in the next days. Do we get a video by you and when are you able to do one?
I would love to see how you master music using analog gear! Super interesting, thanks for this video :D
IDC. Plugins are so good now that you don't need OTB mastering. IJS (bka I'm just saying).
Okay I didn't even catch half of the abbreviations you used in that comment but I think I understand the point you're trying to get across! @@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY I absolutely agree! If you -needed- outboard gear there would be no initiative for developers to enable u to apply effects to the "master" track in ur preferred software :D
Ozone 11 has three price points - the Elements version would be in the "Some control" category. Standard is also available with full control but a couple less modules and features than Advanced
Interesting definition of "full control" that...I suppose YOU have mastered control of things that give rise to the abstract visualizers that are always wrong, for control?
Did you know that math is wrong, btw? Did you know you can't actually make an analog piece of hardware's sound converted through software sound like that analog hardware (not that any stage of that wasn't entropic to begin with)? That is aside from the analog piece of hardware being immensely wasteful, vague and stupid (if you're trying to make it in software, doubly so).
ProAudioDSP DSM V3 (Dynamic Spectrum Mapper) might fit in your some controls category.
I would really like to hear your thoughts on the new Waves AI auto mastering
Danke! ❤
Do you have an opinion on the Bettermaker Mastering Limiter 2.0 ?
Landr was the only one adding nice thick sub frequencies - obs auto mode but prob Ozone is very tweakable
BX Masterdesk is a pretty good middle-of-the-road mastering solution. It takes a while to dial in the right loudness.
Lurssen from IK does a pretty good job if you're just starin out. Has presets that you can then tweak
Awesome video, thanks! 🙏🏻
Exonic sounds nice but doesn’t do/balance full albums it seems - unlike LANDR (their web service is proposing full album upload for mastering)
Yes please, share your standard types of mastering chains, but focusing mainly on what you'd do if you ONLY had the softwares.
Thank You
I would really like to get Ozone but it's just more expensive than what I can afford. So I just master my stuff myself with the free plugins I have, because I don't really make music that appeals to anyone but me, so I know how I'd like it to sound mastered. And when my band records stuff, we send the master to our friend who does the mastering for cheaper than a professional, but with good engough results. We mostly use them as a fresh ear who hasn't heard our stuff before and they give us some suggestions for mix improvements and then uses a combiantion of Ozone and his adjustments to master the material.
What are thoughts on Greg Wells mastering plugin?
Yooo this is lit.. A tutorial for Howie Weinberg Mastering Console?
please make a video on how you master would love that! :)
Wavelab Elements built-in Master section with some experimentation of the presets. It costs less then a plugin with an animation of a dancing robot (even though it looks fancy) and it’s good enough for me plus it’s an audio editor that’s easy to use.
As a newbie, I got Air strike 2, air drumsynth, ujam mellow 2, bassline and such (various overpriced products) for like $10 (combined, for that combination of the things that I will likely never use coz I dunno, people aren't good enough at the hearing thing). It's a pity that FL studio has that dancing robot, isn't it? Especially with things (though inferior) such as maximus. Garbage parametric EQ too (just like all the others). Useless to me.
Sweet stories to tell you about how Cockos souled out too, btw.
no audio compare for musichack and mastermind ??? and no consider bx master desk tmt and Pro one...why ??
Would love to see your mastering chain in action!!
Just subscribed to your channel. Please show us your mastering workflow and what equipment you are using. For me Ozone 11 Advanced.
You didn‘t include Master Plan in the end comparison. Am I missing something?
I'm using Ozone 10 as it is a part of Komplete Ultimate, but I find it to always make my music very bright and sparkly. that would be great for pop music, but I produce heavy and dark industrial music. I am aware it can be tweaked however, so basically that's what I then do.
I've also noticed that most of the ai plugins remove the midrange and boost high frequencies like crazy
Try version 11 - massive improvement
@@markvmmm Do you know that "AI" can't actually understand things or reason so it can never really know what correctness is? Fizzicks.
The misnomer regarding AI is that indeed, it is those who "code" that "AI" (99% of the "AI services" are not provided by those who actually understand or coded the heuristics based attempt at algorithmic consolidation, without even any sort of basic understanding of fundamental geometry, integration, dynamics), that are the actual AI.
@@robbiemichaels2347
No it's okay, I'll be avoiding NI products as I have successfully done for decades.
While I don't really like the workflow so much because it's a separate app and not a plugin, TC Electronics Finalizer app sounds REALLY good
The whole thing will depend on the type of music, funk, rap or rock... and the quality of the raw mix. And whether you want everything to sound the same and lack any individuality.
can you include Gold plugin for your mastering comparison as well?
Not watched yet (I will watch home) but Ozone 11 is gamechanger. I love it
Honestly, I just want to know what kind of mastering/remastering chain Gary Langan has been using on Art Of Noise deluxe editions of late. 'Cause, he's managed to produce fantastic sounding stuff that even exposed quirks of the gear and recordings of the time.
Ozone : wider & cleaner / Landr : more low mid a bit masked / Exonic : too much highs
I'd like the Ozone one with the low end of the Landr. 😅
Honestly ozone has stepped up their game a lot
You mean Izotope? Yeah no. They souled out.
@@FrikoppieYou mean, sold out, right?!? 😂 I think out of the provided examples, it would be the one I’d gravitate towards. But, I’d need to hear other genres to be Shure©!
@@adampavelec857 To be Shure, Superlux mics are okay, considering.
I use Ozone but since switching to 11 it's seems too bright. I'll watch your advanced ozone tutorial as I'm just playing with it really. I have also noticed if you have ssl meter running in any track it crashes when you try and run the automatic ai function. Could just be my rig but nothing else crashes it.
I've become a believer in doing the heavy lifting during mixing. Ideally one only needs to shave off (or limit) peaks of the audio signal. If you spend so much time getting the EQ and everything else right in the mix, why alter that during mastering?
I will add the following: mix:analog was the answer I was looking for. While digital limiters sound different and that matters, bouncing mixes to real tape imparts an even bigger, more pleasant improvement. I love how they have two different machines. Bouncing with the Telefunken, digitally EQing that if need be, then bouncing with the Studer, and finally slapping Voxengo Elephant on can work really well. Ya just have to hit the tape (and AD converters for clipping) right. Initially my third attempt with the Telefunken was best.
I actually liked the exonic master compared to the rest. Ozone can do better if you tweak it but out of the box ozone was definintely chopping too much transient detail. LANDR was wider, but too open on the low mids.
My mastering chain is all in the box:
Kush Audio q632 -->
Plugin Alliance AMEK Mastering Compressor -->
Acustica Audio Pumpkin PRO -->
Acustica Audio JAM -->
StageOne 2 -->
Acustica Audio ASH ULTRA (in Limiter mode) -->
Sonimus N-Console -->
Plugin Alliance MetricAB
The one thing noticeable in the ending shootout between the 3 apps is that the 2 AI only/mostly apps are very bass heavy and not balanced from low end to high. The ozone rendering was noticeably more balanced and sounded cleaner overall... One pleasant surprise that was IMMEDIATELY noticeable as well is none of these apps, AI or otherwise, seemed to subscribe to the mantra of "louder is better, mashed to the ceiling of +2vu, 0vu, -1vu, etc, while maintaining virtually 0 db of dynamic range overall".... They all left the mix with a bit of breathing room to preserve nuance and not sound like a pile driver. CHEERS for that!
For me LANDR warmest on upbeat section. Fullest on quiet section. Exonic punchiest on upbeat section. Fizzled out on quieter section. Ozone thinnest overall. For my setup, I would go for LANDR if I couldn't outdo it on my own.
The other two were pretty close to ozone 11 otb, but I was only listening on android speakers so HAH!
What’s that song name you use as a reference ?
Ozone 11 makes my tracks overcooked. The assistant is like oh I have all these plugins, let me use a lot of them at once. It’s wierd how overcooked it is supposed to be your starting point.
Yeah I typically rip out everything except the EQ and the limiter. Very occasionally the imager.
@@audionerdlilcuzbecause you dont know how to combine theirs settings.
@@choosers5177prly an ozone 9 user I bet. EQ is the only thing 9 can do right
@choosers5177 snarky and judgmental comment. And you missed his point. He is agreeing with the original comment that the starting settings are too hot. Simple as that. Since they are too hot, it is easier to simply remove most of the settings and start adding them in one by one. That should not be the case.
@Joe-mz6dc ozone is good for its ai mastering chain and tweaks for each channel strip. If you gonna do it mannually, then why not put all ozone plugins one by one in the mastering channel?
What are your thoughts on Virtu by Slate Digital?
I love ozone 11, ozone 10 s a bit warmer on the auto master however ozone 11 is a bit clearer
I really like waves ARTG its too good and we can customize it the way we like
Lursson mastering plug in sounds good.
FL studio in the latest update has also Cloud Mastering
The 3 way AI comparison was pretty useful. Personally I prefer an ultra manual approach.
"Sound engineers" need to go learn geometry and dynamics first.
I wonder what would happen if you fed Ozone or LANDR the mix of Bohemian Rhapsody? Probably have a meltdown! On a serious note, a great test of these auto master plugins would be to feed in a non mastered classic 70's/80's hit and then compare it to the original. My gut feeling is these automated plugins produce satisfactory results with the already heavily compressed and equ'd songs of today but would struggle to keep the textures and dynamics unscathed if fed a classic hit song of long ago.
Actually, black metal is the best way to separate kvlt from the unvklted.
I think Ozone is the only option that you can give the “vintage” style master. I wouldn’t be too sure how well it does it but the fact that it’s an option is pretty impressive
Yes, thats a good one, thanks! The music they always use is not that hard to get it acceptable. But, rock, or other music with different dynamics is never used in these types of examples
Hornet MasterTool is my favourite
i'm not getting the one with the robot on it
i bought psp vintage warmer2 yesterday. it's over 20 year old plugin. was looking for your review but couldn't find it
It´s old but very good indeed.
I would love to see a shootout between:
1) IK Multimedia - Lurssen Mastering Console
2) TC Electronic - Finalizer
3) iZotope - Ozone 11 Advanced
4) Brainworx - bx_masterdesk
5) LANDR AI Mastering Plugin
6) Mathew Lane - DrMS
7) Exonic UK - AI Master
8) That mastering thing you had up on your own site
Who else would like to see this? Anyone have other contenders?
I'd not use any of those.
*PS. I don't fuck around.
@@Frikoppie Why not?
@@VagendaAdnegav Refresh the page and maybe you'll see why?
@@Frikoppie Rather than tackle your ego myself, I instead asked the very technology you doubt what it thought of the things you had to say. Isn't it interesting that there even is a technology that can respond? Here is what AI had to say.
"The person's critique raises several valid points about the limitations of AI, particularly in the context of physics simulations and understanding complex systems. However, their perspective might be somewhat overly pessimistic or one-sided. Let's consider their main points:
AI and Inverse Dynamics: It's true that AI and machine learning models often struggle with inverse dynamics, especially when the underlying physical processes are complex and not well understood. AI models, especially those based on data-driven approaches, require a substantial amount of accurate data to make reliable predictions. Without a solid understanding of the underlying physics or sufficient data, these models can indeed be limited.
Context and Underlying Principles: AI, particularly in its current state, does have limitations in understanding context and underlying principles. Machine learning models, including those in AI, typically learn from data rather than from first principles of physics. This means they can miss nuanced, context-specific interactions that are not well-represented in their training data.
Limitations of Current AI Technologies: The person is correct in stating that current AI technologies have limitations, especially when it comes to complex, real-world problems like physics simulations. These limitations stem from various factors, including the quality and quantity of data, the complexity of the models, and the computational resources available.
However, it's important to note that AI and machine learning are rapidly evolving fields. Researchers are continually developing new methods to overcome some of these limitations, such as incorporating physical laws directly into AI models (physics-informed neural networks, for example) or using hybrid approaches that combine data-driven methods with traditional physical modeling.
In conclusion, while the person's critique correctly highlights some of the current limitations and challenges faced by AI in complex physics simulations, it may not fully account for the ongoing advancements in the field. AI's capabilities in these areas are not static, and there's potential for significant improvement as the technology develops."
IK One
This music is very reminiscent of "Nu Shooz - I can't Wait" from 1985 😉
Ozone definitely sounds more open...probably better suited for jungle/dnb....
You can do all of this with Ableton Live's own effects, compressors and EQs.
Isn't it somewhat subjective?
I've been using the Lurssen Mastering Console (stand-alone) for a while now and like it. I might sometimes open up LandR or even MazTr to get a quick free master to give me a reference kinda thing.
i was really surprised by how good lurssen is. i tested it against a master i had done myself and they were really close....almost scarily close. the lack of any decent metering is the biggest flaw with it though. best to use the plugin version in your daw followed up by a good metering plugin, so you can gauge your loudness levels.
@@Simeon_Harris
Hmm... I agree that the lack of metering is not good, but that can easily be remedied by using either meter plugins (stand-alone) or by routing the signal through your desk to get the VU value. 😃
thanks as always
Shadow hills class A mastering compressor or FGX-2 from slate digital are worth looking at?
I love the Shadow Hills, mostly on my drum bus and my masterbus.
Check out the D16 Frontier, it’s free and an amazing good mastering compressor. I really like that one, always in my mastering chain 👌🏼
Demo the Shadow Hills plugin first. There always seems to be something else that sounds better when I try to use it, but maybe you'll like it.
@@Studio22mix it took me a while to figure it. Not how it worked, I know what everything represents and does but to get the sound I wanted from it but when I figured it out, I love it! I didn't know about It until I saw the version 1 mastering compressor on a deadmou5 video. So I checked it out and got both on a plugin alliance black Friday deal a year ago. Paid £74 for 5 plugins Elysia mastering compressor was one but I lean towards shadowhills class A.
would you apply two bus color plugins before or after ozone?
Since the master limiter typically goes last, they must come before.
Mastering Chain video for sure! But, please! Try to keep it under 30 minutes! 😂
I think LANDR sounds great
The best Mastering Plugin is your brain. Still using today EQ, multiband compression, little bit glue compression, saturation sometimes ds of harshness and then into limiter. That's fine for me.
Logic pro Mastering is amazing
My master bus processing:
Cymtomic The Glue
UAD Chandler Ltd Curve Bender
Dadalife Sausage Fattner
MusikHack Masterplan
Ozone or focusrite fast bundle
Mastering tutorial please ❤
BTW when a plug in company says AI, almost all of the time they mean the algorithm they are using for the plug in was generated by AI. These plug in are not using neural networks or anything like it themselves to figure out the settings, they are still just using normal algorithms (just much better ones than before as they were AI generated to be really good). The other few times they are just saying it because marketing. ;)
I figured Spline EQ is pretty good tbh. But I don't understand why it's not just arbitrary band counts. Makes no sense to me. That also makes it crap in the sense that you can't just set like kinda "this is a horizontal line with vertical variance, and now let's have a top and a bottom for both sides of the eq so also it can arbitrary filter and compress and clip and limit and transpose and whatever coz it's vectors" .
I would stick to Fabfilter. All my colleagues who sign and make huge records use it, in my field which is dance/club music. Not saying you can't use others, but if fabfilter is good enough for those huge records, then it's def good enough for me.
Why did I hear a huge difference between LANDR and Exonic compared to Ozone 11 earlier in this same video but when you
show the comparisons later in the video at 8:10 I literally could not hear any difference between the different versions?
Provavelmente ele nivelou os volumes.
Ozone 11 is good.......but they seem to push all their new Modules to EVERY Mix.Show me a Mix-Suggestion that hasnt "Clarity" or Stabilizer in it.The Tools are great,but if you have a good Mix,you probably turn off 50% of the Modules.
Well, on a set of speakers with sub, there was barely any difference between the three at the end. That was surprising. Don't like the creepy robot tho...