I hope the 5000G are out soon. Have a 3100 to hold me over but had to add an extra GPU to drive all the screens. Bothersome, and cannot use my oscilloscope in that slot now. Maybe just the Google Coral but might but a 2nd and just put that in the others desktop. ATX has *all* the slots.
In mine it costs quite a bit less than a 3600 and seems to be in stock although I'm not sure if its because they're not purchased since most people go for intel/3600/5600x or something else from what I can tell
@@LKonstantina915 Intel has ramped up production of 10th gen to meet demand before they roll out rocket Lake so 10th gen is actually widely available and cheap in my country.
2:37 I'm impressed by the fact that an APU can finally run RDR2 with decent fps at 1080p. I would lower the in-game resolution while keeping the 1080p HUD to get more fps. Try to cap the fps at 45-46 fps if you can't maintain 60fps and hate 30 fps. Even Thomas Edison said that anything less than 46 fps is not optimal. (Yes, he did say that and I'm not making that up)
APUs and iGPUs have come a long way since the Intel HD 3000/4000 days. Btw, my first PC was a Core 2 Duo and it's iGPU (yes, I'm younger than most of you)
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS Intel xe igpus have set the bar above and I hope in 12th gen intel and zen 3 APUs they have real performence maybe like 1050Ti +-
@@pietruszek1998 most other handheld devices only use 5-20w tdp so they dont get too hot. maybe a bigger fan or a vapour chamber of some kind to push this thing alittle harder would be sufficient
@@pietruszek1998 a month ago I've entered the server/pc/workstation world, may I tell you, if you are not concerned about sound, a 60mm fan is going to cool the fuck out of everything
@@stb1kat112 yes, but it relies on intel integrated graphics that are less power hungry and are generally less powerful but easier to cool (and cooling is still a complicated thing even for Gpd)
@@pietrocavicchioli6128 That's so true, but a 60mm Fan in such a small Formfactor would feel and sound like a Windturbine + it would use nearly as much Power as the CPU at these speeds 🤣
i really appreciate these integrated graphix, in case you got a slim tower and a low-profile video card would be the weak link but only as long as game you choose run at +60 FPS
Please make an FX 4130 vs i3 4130 video in the future. I know that it will be a joke video but the CPUs are actually pretty close to each other in terms of performance.
@@RandomGaminginHD Thank you for the response and the heart. I've been saying this for the last 4 months in your previous videos. Btw, I used to have an i3 4130 even a few months ago (from 2013 to 2021) but I "upgraded" to a 4th gen i5 4460S (I couldn't find a better CPU like a 4690K or even an i7). I know, it's not a big upgrade, but most of the upcoming games aren't really interesting enough to me. So I will wait until more interesting games and better CPUs come out. Also this i5 is pretty impressive for what it is and it at least runs games with a stable fps (and better 1% & 0.1% low) compared to my old i3 thanks to this CPU having 4 real cores instead of 4 fake cores. When the time's right, I will switch to a 6/7th gen Ryzen (or 12/13th gen Intel CPU if Intel offers better price to performance ratio by that time).
@@TigerChamp99 I got a cheaper B550 board, added 2×3200 16GB (2×8GB would obviously works as well) and added the €99 R3 3100. Kept all add in cards and psu and drives. Added a 1TB budget nvme drive but kept the Win install on the 2.5inch ssd so that extra could have been left out. Kept the old GTX1060. Nice and cheap. €330 or so. I rarely if ever replace a system entirely at once. Always buy either GPU, psu if it fails or shows hiccups (just measure voltages by sticking the probes in a molex every 6mo when you spray out the dust), storage here and there. Also hot tip: just go to grandado or whatever and get an M.2 ngff adapter (A and E key) and just buy the WiFi for in there. The best cards at bottom price when you upgrade WiFi. I found it cheaper in the long run when having desktops for 8+ years but new router every 2-3. Also for that case buy either thin mini-itx with Celeron or Pcengines apu. Want better WiFi upgrade the M.2 in the adapter or mini pcie slot. Always newest WiFi just replace the chip. My Celeron 3930 with OPNsense has 3 WiFi cards and makes for an excellent fast router. No need to buy expensive design routers or mesh sets.
@@jamegumb7298 Thanks for the advice but I'll wait until 13th gen i5 or 6th gen Ryzen 5 comes out, so my new PC can actually match a PS5 just like my old i3 4130 matched and outperformed a PS4 until 2019 before it fell behind.
When my mobile i7-4700MQ at 45 and 30 watts outperforms desktops (includes the i7-2600K in some benchmarks)... The secret: almost -100mv of undervolting. Passmark scores: 1932 (one thread), 6090 (overall score). 7 years still going strong and can beat a Ryzen 5 3500U 👍.
the problem with DLSS is that the lower the initial resolution the worse it looks, there is a much more noticeable visual difference using DLSS at 1080p than there is at 4K
@@shaneeslick it does show it works from it first started and getting better. I know DLSS have some problem, even getting video card that support it or a game.
@@ZaberfangX Yeah it does work, I don't disagree with that, but at High Image Quality & Resolutions, Most comments by reviewers only go by 4K results where you are upscaling 1440p or Higher which is already very good Image Quality, Tim from Hardware Unboxed showed that when you are using DLSS to help output at 900/1080p (like your example of graphics settings for an APU), because it is upscaling a much lower definition 480/720p to get the 900/1080p the results are not as good & the difference in Image Quality gets very noticeable, When you use DLSS it does not go looking to see what Native Resolution output you want looks like & output that, it has to use the Original Detail Information your PC is producing & then make it bigger, so the less original Detail the less detail you get when Upscaling, it is not magic & cannot make a lower resolution as good as the Native it is trying to upscale too, so the difference between 4k Native & 4K DLSS will be less noticeable than the difference between 1440p Native & 1440p DLSS, which will be less noticeable than the difference between 1080p Native & 1080p DLSS, which will be less noticeable than the difference between 900p Native & 900p DLSS, which will be less noticeable than the difference between 720p Native & 720p DLSS, this is if you have in game texture & detail settings set to highest, then if you include lowering in game texture & detail settings the Image Quality gap between DLSS & Native is even greater So yes for a RTX3080/3090 or RX6800XT/6900XT at 4K it will work really well & you will barely notice a difference, but an APU at 900p Low you will get a noticeable difference
@@shaneeslick yeah of course we don’t expect native-looking resolutions. we only want 60fps on a 720p game looking 1080p on an apu. It would work awesome.
Yeah, I'm building a new PC this week, and I'm foregoing the graphics card for now, so I'm going for the 4650G. There's a store in my country that is selling them boxed, so it'll be easier to build the PC the way I want. The way I see it, there's not much difference in between it and the 3600, which is a good processor, so when GPUs become more affordable it'll just be the matter of slapping a good card on it and go to town.
I love this CPU, even if it isn't he best buy it is interesting and fun! First Renoir (4xxx series) are best CPUs for RAM overclocking in the world, overclocker Buildzoid showed their capabilities really well. In many countries they cost similarly to 3600 and they can play almost all games on their iGPU. Then I bought this CPU instead of 3600 as they cost nearly the same. Soon after my GTX 1070 died. And instead of being stuck without a GPU in the worst time to buy one, I just connected DisplayPort to the motherboard, and continued on. With really low resolution scales I finished Cyberpunk, and can play multiplayer games like Rainbow Six: Siege with ease. Also this CPU is decent at compiling and Fluid Flow simulation. And all that with 65W TDP.
In 2-3 years the igpus may as well have the performence level of Rx 570/gtx 1060. Considering current APUs have near 1050 levels of performence. The ddr5 5000mhz ram will help too
I'd guess they might be more willing to pump out more powerful APUs now, if not for current production issues.... Like say including Navi graphics instead of vega.
This cpu reminds me of my first purchased gpu for my pc back in 2012: the Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD 4650, 1024MB, GDDR2 for my Pentium D 925 & 3 GB DDR2 RAM, it was a blast back then because I upgraded from my very first GPU the ATI Raedon x1050 256 DDR, eventually upgraded my RAM from 1GB to 4GB DDR2 800 MHz & last but not least changed my cpu from that pentium D to a Core 2 Duo E7400...Personally that combo back then was fairly decent, I was pleased, can't imagine how the Radeon HD 4650 will do in combination with the Ryzen 5 4650G, well maybe one day we will see that here, keep up the good work! :)
After I've had video card failures. I don't think I'll ever build a computer without an integrated GPU. I've had a video card die on me several hours before a lifechanging project was due and I didn't have a spare card to swap out. The fact that my machine had integrated graphics (Pentium G4560) was the only thing that let me finish it on time. Even if you never game on them, they can be a lifesaver. My main rig now has a 2200G and a 1060 3gig for this exact reason. And hey, it's always nice to be able to hook up two extra monitors to the rig!
I've got my 4650G from South Korea new in box. I was using it to play some games, while waiting to get my hands on a decent priced GPU. I was having some random Blue Screens and all was pointing to drivers problems, but finally got a hold on a decently priced RX 590 and am very pleased with it.
No the limit is the "die" size of the igpu on the cpu packet. They cannot increase it other than shrinking the transistors by using smaller manufacturing process.
@@lenscapes2755 Right now it seems to be memory speeds/channels. For example my 2200g does 4 Ghz on stock air cooler with a 65% GPU overclock (extremely golden sample on the graphics), but its memory controller is not the best so I can't even run 3600 Mhz kits at XMP (I've tried 6 different sticks, all of which will run 3777+ in quad channel on my Threadripper first gen) and best it does is 3200 Mhz then try to reel in the timings. So even though I by far have the fastest core and graphics on 3dMark I don't take first due to slow memory (when I'm benching that its obviously much faster speeds than what I noted, but I have it delided with direct die sub-zero phase cooling for normal gaming and benching plus I managed to fit my T-Rex LN2 cooler for Threadrippers onto it if you don't mind using zip ties, haha!) Quad channel could also help (I see over a 10% CPU performance drop in Cinebench on my Threadripper if I only use duel channel), however AM4 does not support quad channel and that would help too or be another option.
I, too, have some of my parts borrowed by friends. And now, since I'm full on laptop due to work, what's left from my PC are practically the monitor. Even that used by my dad now.
Bought this on aliexpress. Good little fighter, especially since I would have paid considerably more for a 3600 and a gpu with the same performance in these trying times.
im using the 4650g right now in my media machine. I was able to find it pretty easily on the "grey market." noticeable improvement over the 2400g. Nice to see i can play some games on it.
This should be a gooood upgrade to my dad's PC with a R3 3200g. That CPU still beat the outgoing PC (Mac) we had from 2011 to 2019, which was a 2010 iMac, with an Intel Core i3-540, 12 GB RAM, and the ATI Radeon HD 4670, All for less than $500. P.S. The iMac was struck by lightning in September of 2019.
Just brought myself MSI Infinite S 10SI-052UK Gaming Desktop PC - Intel Core i5-10400, 8GB RAM, 512GB PCIE SSD, GTX 1660 SUPER GPU. or £800. I know I've pretty much over paid but i am happy with it does the job also for 1080p 60 hz gaming on my 4k tv :)
I've just build a pc with this processor, as there is no availability of normal priced gpu's, it will bridge until the market is a bit more normal. Hopefully by that time the new AMD processors have come down in price a bit as well.
I got me one for my build. It works like a charm. Love it! Since GPU stock is so outrageous at the moment, the integrated graphics will have to doi. :)
This will be a decent APU if it can be available, in ecent quantities. Whast is great with this channel is that it gives real world figures on pc stuff that most people will be able to afford, 3080, and even 3060 a re unobtanium at the moment. Its great to see what is still decent to game with.
The reason why the 4650g is slightly slower than the 3600 though the 4650g has higher stock clocks is due to the lower L3 cache (8 vs 32mb) and fewer pci lanes (12 vs 20).
I've pretty much given up on being able to find most CPUs and especially GPUs in stock at a price anywhere near MSRP throughout all of 2021. Maybe 2022 things will get better...
When I bought my Ryzen 5, I went down a notch because I didn't want an APU so ended up with the 2600g which is holding up very well. I knew my motherboard didn't have an APU facility and no graphics out on the board and my RX570 would work fine so I saw no point in adding in something I would never utilise. It was difficult finding a straight Ryzen 5 at that time and I was very nearly looking into Ryzen 3 turf then found a bundle with a 2600 and for its age it wasn't that far behind a 3600g certainly the slight loss I could live with. This weekend I am hoping to get into my cupboard of despair and get out all the old AGP and early PCIex hardware including a lovely XFX x1300, poss my much abused and warranty replaced 9800GT and maybe even a couple old NF2 era mobo's lurking in there I seem to have spotted :)
fun fact, the ryzen 7 4750g was used by buildzoid to run ddr4 6000mhz on literally a cold night, it has one of the best ddr4 memory controllers in existance (rocket lake might have a revised imc so that statement could age poorly)
I have one currently paired with an RX 6800, and out of all the games I play the most demanding one would be Cyberpunk. I honestly get a solid 70 to 75 fps at mix of medium, high, and ultra settings. The big reason I got it though was to be used in an HTPC once Ryzen 5000 is more available
Just built a box with this cpu coupled to an Asus B450 Pro II. The onboard GPU is certainly way better than past IGPU’s……………but it’s still onboard. I will install a R9-290X to achieve better performance. The CPU is lightning fast but requires considerable tweaking time to achieve maximum stock performance. Coupled with 32 gb of 3200 mhz ram………….it is a beast.
Got mine down the Ali Express route. Well happy. One note it is a pcie 3.0 chip so don't waste money on 550/570 board unless going for the upgrade path later
There is one prebuilt like that in Lithuania for 369 euros. A520 Board, 8gb 3200mhz ( probably in single channel as always), SSD 240 gb and all of that in case with looks from 2008 ( same with psu I believe :) ). Sell all unwanted components for about ~ 165 in used market websites, and 4650g is in your hands fast for fair price for proper build.
I'm not replacing my 3600 too soon. It runs 3200Mt/s on 1.2V ecc ram from micron, with a 1:1 ratio for the infinity fabric on stock voltages. Also it turbos to 3600MHz and above on the box cooler. The max I have seen so far was 3683MHz. But I eyed the pro series because of their ECC support.
I still hope AMD will start using the infinity cache they introduced with the RX6000 series GPUs in future APUs. Infinity cache made it possible for AMD to work with a 192-bit bus interface where a competing model by NVidia needs 256 bits plus faster VRAM (while performing slightly worse). Means, infinity cache helps to drastically increase data throughput which would (I think) partially solve the bandwidth issue in iGPUs. I therefore believe that future APUs could finally deliver a performance between an RX 560 and 570 or even more - which would be great - not only for gaming. Come on AMD, do something! I don't feel there was much progress in APUs throughout the past 3 years. Time to change it.
Dang I need this! It's hard to find a prebuilt with an opening in front for an optical drive though, so I'll probably settle for a 3400G until discrete cards are easier to find.
Ram speed depends on your system BIOS. Some bios are locked, for example on HP desktops. The 4600G is the same as 4650 PRO, only difference is 4650 PRO has additional security features for enterprise. Get the regular 4600G if you dont need extra security features.
@@cielazul713 thank you! I got the 5600G APU. The 5700G was out of my PC build budget! Pairing it with crucial ballistic DDR4 3600 CL16 (8gb x 2 cards)
UA-cam will compress it so bad it won't matter. I did a test and it looks like it might be 70:1 compression size (like turns 70 MB video into 1 MB, as that's roughly how compressed I had to go in Handbrake to make it look the same. Even my old garbage phone that only did 480p video (and not even well) I still noticed compression loss at 720p and even just a little at 1080p (which is roughly 16x 480p images), so it really won't matter if he records at a dumpster fire of a setting or the best available, because UA-cam will make it look trash either way, and I'm not so sure it wouldn't look better at a low rate if UA-cam would mess with it less but I really don't know.
My Ryzen 7 4750G is serving me well as my current bedroom PC with it's APU Graphics being plenty enough for a bit of Gaming here and there - nicked it out of a pre built along with the ASUS B550 Motherboard and put it in my own case. Also had to upgrade the RAM as it came with only 8GB 2400MHz and now it's 32GB 2666MHz as the motherboard didn't like my Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3200MHz RAM and kept going into safe mode even though it says on the ASUS website it's supported and the CPU supports it go figure.
@@eye776 Yeah mine is 16 18 18 36 and just defaults to 2133MHz and if I try to set it to 3200MHz it just wont post and eventually boots in safe mode. The motherboard says it supports 3200MHz without needing to OC but it just wont have it......
@@BillyBoy444 XMP _IS_ OC but it's supported, _factory tested OC_ 2166Mhz is just the reference _"bare minimum"_ speed for DDR4. Worst case, try manually setting its timings in the BIOS. TBH I had issues with Corsair RAM too (mine was 16-20-20) but RMAed the kit and went for _cheaper_ G.Skill Aegis that ran at 3200Mhz with XMP profile. I mean RAM heatsink only really cools it by 1-2 degrees in factory config anyway.
@@eye776 Yeah tried the XMP but it wont have it. Only bought it because it was RGB and 3200MHz but no point if it's going to default to 2133MHz and might as well just OC my standard RAM and sell the Corsair kit on.
Interesting comparison, although I think I would have liked to see a comparison between the APU and a 3600 and cheap gpu (used even) combination costing the same. (Edited.)
I was able to overclock this chip to 4.5GHz with 1250MHz IGP and 3766MHz Ram I had doubled the in-game performance in GTA V and Batman Arkham Knight and it outperformed the 3600 in both multi and single core by far.
The idea of getting an APU is actually a viable one. Have a 3600, but with the "GPU crisis" the 4350 or 4650 is for the time being, a good one. Thanks for the comparison of the 3600, 4350, & the 4650. 🤓
Can u use the integrated graphics to run your physics and take a small load off of the CPU cores and discrete GPU? Would make a chip like this beneficial for those who did not need integrated graphics...
Why are there only gaming reviews on YT on the APU's? These APU's are very capable workhorses for office- and other work. Some photo editing, virtualisation and development work f.e. My 4650G is in single core more powerfull than my old 2700X and in multicore only slightly slower. It's amazing
i wish that it was easier to find the actual seriel number from these new integrated units. renoir C# seems to be the new parts in these but most sites dont recognize that. the C7 in the case of this part and the C8 being in the 4750g additional. C being the number of execution units. the C8 is also ~.2 mhz faster, and ~500 Gflops faster depending on the processor its in so the comparison could be interesting.
The 4000 series can handle higher RAM speeds and since its paired (in prebuilts) with a 500 series motherboard that also supports the 5000 series, it makes for a better upgrade path. I tought you would mention that...
The 5000 series is what a lot of UA-camrs are talking about but let's be real, it's not even available in most countries. Its the 4000 series which is the new release and current standard in most countries right now.
That "Punch" PC looks like it would be very interesting to look at. You guys have some really interesting looking prebuilts in the UK.
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it only costs £349 here and a ryzen 5 4650g itself costs £250
This chip is going to come in handy outside of N.America and Europe, especially in gaming cafes.
Where? Take out a latam. Our gaming cafes still uses gt 1030 and good old Intel CPU
@@RonanInLan those radeon graphics are far better than 1030 gddr5 version
I hope the 5000G are out soon. Have a 3100 to hold me over but had to add an extra GPU to drive all the screens. Bothersome, and cannot use my oscilloscope in that slot now. Maybe just the Google Coral but might but a 2nd and just put that in the others desktop. ATX has *all* the slots.
North America and 1st World Europe? Maybe Mexico and Latinamerica...
Dude this is gonna come in handy for anyone on a budget
Even this is overpriced and out of stock in my country, yikes.
Same, second hand graphic cards go dirt cheap aswell as ram, but I see i5 processors go for more then then double what they'd be worth
the only good deal in my country rn is an i5 10400f for 140 euros, everything else is out of stock or overpriced
In mine it costs quite a bit less than a 3600 and seems to be in stock although I'm not sure if its because they're not purchased since most people go for intel/3600/5600x or something else from what I can tell
@@LKonstantina915 Intel has ramped up production of 10th gen to meet demand before they roll out rocket Lake so 10th gen is actually widely available and cheap in my country.
Well i mean... Most things are overpriced outside NA and EU, especially pc components, and it sucks
I don't think I'll ever reach the trust you have to lend a 3070 to someone!
I’m checking eBay making sure I don’t see it 😂
@@RandomGaminginHD Ahahah, yeah you could get a lot for a card as rare as that!
@@RandomGaminginHD putting that boy to work yea? Btc and eth prices are kinda high rn
@@RandomGaminginHD I mean it will be sold instantly, so the chances of you spotting it aren't that good
2:37 I'm impressed by the fact that an APU can finally run RDR2 with decent fps at 1080p.
I would lower the in-game resolution while keeping the 1080p HUD to get more fps.
Try to cap the fps at 45-46 fps if you can't maintain 60fps and hate 30 fps.
Even Thomas Edison said that anything less than 46 fps is not optimal. (Yes, he did say that and I'm not making that up)
Yeah 720p is still the best bet for these to be honest but they do still do a surprising job at 1080p
I bet he said that in order to sell more film reels
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"Random...INTEGRATEDGRAPHICSINHD"
vega 11 is better
@@MrJ0mmy nope
APUs and iGPUs have come a long way since the Intel HD 3000/4000 days.
Btw, my first PC was a Core 2 Duo and it's iGPU (yes, I'm younger than most of you)
I'd say a more apt comparison would be 1st AMD APU, the A8 3870K I believe it was.
Yes but now they are being severely held back by memory bandwidth
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS Intel xe igpus have set the bar above and I hope in 12th gen intel and zen 3 APUs they have real performence maybe like 1050Ti +-
Optiplex 780 gang
rephrased Amd apus have come a long way intel apus are still shit
It would be interesting to see how good the PSU was in that prebuilt and therefore what discrete you could feasibly add at a future date
APUs performance won't improve much until DDR5 is a thing.
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or for motherboards with 4 memory slots quad channel?
@@randomweirdyoutubechannel8955 Yes, but RAM slots don't equal channels. And quad-channel isn't possible on the AM4 platform.
@@tidjane2001 I My buddy said hes using 4 ram slots on his computer, AM4 Ryzen 5 2600.
@@SirBrucie Yes, but RAM slots dont equal RAM channels. -Tidjane Ly
This would be great in a small handheld device
The performance would be nice but how would you cool that 🤔
@@pietruszek1998 most other handheld devices only use 5-20w tdp so they dont get too hot.
maybe a bigger fan or a vapour chamber of some kind to push this thing alittle harder would be sufficient
@@pietruszek1998 a month ago I've entered the server/pc/workstation world, may I tell you, if you are not concerned about sound, a 60mm fan is going to cool the fuck out of everything
@@stb1kat112 yes, but it relies on intel integrated graphics that are less power hungry and are generally less powerful but easier to cool (and cooling is still a complicated thing even for Gpd)
@@pietrocavicchioli6128 That's so true, but a 60mm Fan in such a small Formfactor would feel and sound like a Windturbine + it would use nearly as much Power as the CPU at these speeds 🤣
Finally a review of my cpu
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Same thing really .
The apu is a cpu after all.
@@taso-1402 yea all apu's are cpu's but only a few cpu's are apu's
@@perjabeats2194 i’m very aware that’s common knowledge
@@taso-1402 then why did u feel the need to correct him?
Please bring back Forza Horizon 4 into your benchmark roster.
i really appreciate these integrated graphix, in case you got a slim tower and a low-profile video card would be the weak link
but only as long as game you choose run at +60 FPS
I bought this beauty just for $170 in Argentina! Absolutely in love with it
Where? Also in Argentina, I'm between these two, weirdly enough the 5 Pro is cheaper than the regular 5.
Honestly this chip would be a great way to start an internet cafe for entry level/ lite gaming.
Meanwhile UHD630 in Core I9 9900K: *crying*
why would it be crying? how tf does anyone have money for top cpu's but not for any GPU.... thats why i think the tests are useless.
@@petrkdn8224 so why they added it?
I3 9100 also has UHD 630
@@dinamo7485
Heck even the I9 10900k has a UHD 630
@@lolcatpl for workloads so it can render the screen, not meant for gaming, just an output , so you see can the screen
Still more then happy with my 3400G. Cool vid dude!
Its perfect backup if my GTX1080TI fails me.
Please make an FX 4130 vs i3 4130 video in the future. I know that it will be a joke video but the CPUs are actually pretty close to each other in terms of performance.
I actually have both of those around here somewhere, I'll give it a go :)
@@RandomGaminginHD Thank you for the response and the heart.
I've been saying this for the last 4 months in your previous videos.
Btw, I used to have an i3 4130 even a few months ago (from 2013 to 2021) but I "upgraded" to a 4th gen i5 4460S (I couldn't find a better CPU like a 4690K or even an i7). I know, it's not a big upgrade, but most of the upcoming games aren't really interesting enough to me. So I will wait until more interesting games and better CPUs come out.
Also this i5 is pretty impressive for what it is and it at least runs games with a stable fps (and better 1% & 0.1% low) compared to my old i3 thanks to this CPU having 4 real cores instead of 4 fake cores.
When the time's right, I will switch to a 6/7th gen Ryzen (or 12/13th gen Intel CPU if Intel offers better price to performance ratio by that time).
@@TigerChamp99 I got a cheaper B550 board, added 2×3200 16GB (2×8GB would obviously works as well) and added the €99 R3 3100. Kept all add in cards and psu and drives. Added a 1TB budget nvme drive but kept the Win install on the 2.5inch ssd so that extra could have been left out. Kept the old GTX1060.
Nice and cheap. €330 or so. I rarely if ever replace a system entirely at once. Always buy either GPU, psu if it fails or shows hiccups (just measure voltages by sticking the probes in a molex every 6mo when you spray out the dust), storage here and there.
Also hot tip: just go to grandado or whatever and get an M.2 ngff adapter (A and E key) and just buy the WiFi for in there. The best cards at bottom price when you upgrade WiFi. I found it cheaper in the long run when having desktops for 8+ years but new router every 2-3.
Also for that case buy either thin mini-itx with Celeron or Pcengines apu. Want better WiFi upgrade the M.2 in the adapter or mini pcie slot. Always newest WiFi just replace the chip. My Celeron 3930 with OPNsense has 3 WiFi cards and makes for an excellent fast router. No need to buy expensive design routers or mesh sets.
@@jamegumb7298 Thanks for the advice but I'll wait until 13th gen i5 or 6th gen Ryzen 5 comes out, so my new PC can actually match a PS5 just like my old i3 4130 matched and outperformed a PS4 until 2019 before it fell behind.
When my mobile i7-4700MQ at 45 and 30 watts outperforms desktops (includes the i7-2600K in some benchmarks)...
The secret: almost -100mv of undervolting.
Passmark scores: 1932 (one thread), 6090 (overall score).
7 years still going strong and can beat a Ryzen 5 3500U 👍.
Finally you did one review. I have been waiting for this for weeks
Can't wait to see the versus the 4650G vs 4750G!
Just think if AMD came out a DLSS like that can work on a apu. That be crazy, when people having hard time getting a gpu for a good cost.
I would’ve loved to see it on the new consoles as well. If only it was 3 months later lol
the problem with DLSS is that the lower the initial resolution the worse it looks, there is a much more noticeable visual difference using DLSS at 1080p than there is at 4K
@@shaneeslick it does show it works from it first started and getting better. I know DLSS have some problem, even getting video card that support it or a game.
@@ZaberfangX Yeah it does work, I don't disagree with that, but at High Image Quality & Resolutions,
Most comments by reviewers only go by 4K results where you are upscaling 1440p or Higher which is already very good Image Quality,
Tim from Hardware Unboxed showed that when you are using DLSS to help output at 900/1080p (like your example of graphics settings for an APU), because it is upscaling a much lower definition 480/720p to get the 900/1080p the results are not as good & the difference in Image Quality gets very noticeable,
When you use DLSS it does not go looking to see what Native Resolution output you want looks like & output that, it has to use the Original Detail Information your PC is producing & then make it bigger, so the less original Detail the less detail you get when Upscaling, it is not magic & cannot make a lower resolution as good as the Native it is trying to upscale too, so the difference between 4k Native & 4K DLSS will be less noticeable than the difference between 1440p Native & 1440p DLSS, which will be less noticeable than the difference between 1080p Native & 1080p DLSS, which will be less noticeable than the difference between 900p Native & 900p DLSS, which will be less noticeable than the difference between 720p Native & 720p DLSS, this is if you have in game texture & detail settings set to highest,
then if you include lowering in game texture & detail settings the Image Quality gap between DLSS & Native is even greater
So yes for a RTX3080/3090 or RX6800XT/6900XT at 4K it will work really well & you will barely notice a difference, but an APU at 900p Low you will get a noticeable difference
@@shaneeslick yeah of course we don’t expect native-looking resolutions. we only want 60fps on a 720p game looking 1080p on an apu. It would work awesome.
I recently ordered this for a nice home server PC
Really fitting of you to upload this recently!
It would be nice if we could get a comparison with discrete graphics cards, like is this akin to a GTX970 or RX580?
Those are way better like 3x the performance of the 4650g
@@chargedonpc9989 Thanks :)
Yeah, I'm building a new PC this week, and I'm foregoing the graphics card for now, so I'm going for the 4650G.
There's a store in my country that is selling them boxed, so it'll be easier to build the PC the way I want.
The way I see it, there's not much difference in between it and the 3600, which is a good processor, so when GPUs become more affordable it'll just be the matter of slapping a good card on it and go to town.
I love this CPU, even if it isn't he best buy it is interesting and fun! First Renoir (4xxx series) are best CPUs for RAM overclocking in the world, overclocker Buildzoid showed their capabilities really well. In many countries they cost similarly to 3600 and they can play almost all games on their iGPU.
Then I bought this CPU instead of 3600 as they cost nearly the same. Soon after my GTX 1070 died. And instead of being stuck without a GPU in the worst time to buy one, I just connected DisplayPort to the motherboard, and continued on. With really low resolution scales I finished Cyberpunk, and can play multiplayer games like Rainbow Six: Siege with ease. Also this CPU is decent at compiling and Fluid Flow simulation. And all that with 65W TDP.
In 2-3 years the igpus may as well have the performence level of Rx 570/gtx 1060. Considering current APUs have near 1050 levels of performence. The ddr5 5000mhz ram will help too
I'd guess they might be more willing to pump out more powerful APUs now, if not for current production issues.... Like say including Navi graphics instead of vega.
This cpu reminds me of my first purchased gpu for my pc back in 2012: the Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD 4650, 1024MB, GDDR2 for my Pentium D 925 & 3 GB DDR2 RAM, it was a blast back then because I upgraded from my very first GPU the ATI Raedon x1050 256 DDR, eventually upgraded my RAM from 1GB to 4GB DDR2 800 MHz & last but not least changed my cpu from that pentium D to a Core 2 Duo E7400...Personally that combo back then was fairly decent, I was pleased, can't imagine how the Radeon HD 4650 will do in combination with the Ryzen 5 4650G, well maybe one day we will see that here, keep up the good work! :)
Looking forward to the 4750G video!
After I've had video card failures. I don't think I'll ever build a computer without an integrated GPU. I've had a video card die on me several hours before a lifechanging project was due and I didn't have a spare card to swap out. The fact that my machine had integrated graphics (Pentium G4560) was the only thing that let me finish it on time.
Even if you never game on them, they can be a lifesaver. My main rig now has a 2200G and a 1060 3gig for this exact reason. And hey, it's always nice to be able to hook up two extra monitors to the rig!
Honestly love the new FPS table and comparison of other CPUs. Keep going bro !!
Can't wait for the Ryzen 8 cores APU test!
"I'll see you all in the nex-"
Sad times.
@@Joeysnew532 truly
this would be sweet for compact mini itx editing pc's
I've got my 4650G from South Korea new in box. I was using it to play some games, while waiting to get my hands on a decent priced GPU.
I was having some random Blue Screens and all was pointing to drivers problems, but finally got a hold on a decently priced RX 590 and am very pleased with it.
Ive heard that disabling TSME in the bios on the 4650g, you will get more fps, is this true? Great video btw ☺️
Man, it sucks that this is only found in pre-builts. I'm looking forward to 5000 series APUs.
Nice video thanks, would be nice to see some of these become available on the cpu market for us gamer folks, come on CCL! 😎👊🏼
Got this CPU for 225e about a month ago, and made a custom build. Really happy with it, running on iGPU.
Sadly ram speed and usable "vram" will always be the limit for igpus.
No the limit is the "die" size of the igpu on the cpu packet. They cannot increase it other than shrinking the transistors by using smaller manufacturing process.
Console with GDDR6 (PC).
@@lenscapes2755 Right now it seems to be memory speeds/channels. For example my 2200g does 4 Ghz on stock air cooler with a 65% GPU overclock (extremely golden sample on the graphics), but its memory controller is not the best so I can't even run 3600 Mhz kits at XMP (I've tried 6 different sticks, all of which will run 3777+ in quad channel on my Threadripper first gen) and best it does is 3200 Mhz then try to reel in the timings. So even though I by far have the fastest core and graphics on 3dMark I don't take first due to slow memory (when I'm benching that its obviously much faster speeds than what I noted, but I have it delided with direct die sub-zero phase cooling for normal gaming and benching plus I managed to fit my T-Rex LN2 cooler for Threadrippers onto it if you don't mind using zip ties, haha!)
Quad channel could also help (I see over a 10% CPU performance drop in Cinebench on my Threadripper if I only use duel channel), however AM4 does not support quad channel and that would help too or be another option.
Is this the same graphics process as 2200g? Is it worth the upgrade for now without dgpu?
i have a 10600k and a 3070 and still watch this channel lol. i remember subscribing years ago when i only had a core 2 quad and a 6850 :D
I, too, have some of my parts borrowed by friends. And now, since I'm full on laptop due to work, what's left from my PC are practically the monitor. Even that used by my dad now.
Just bought a 5600x a week ago and no graphics card due to scalpers and now they announce this, great
Bought this on aliexpress. Good little fighter, especially since I would have paid considerably more for a 3600 and a gpu with the same performance in these trying times.
im using the 4650g right now in my media machine. I was able to find it pretty easily on the "grey market." noticeable improvement over the 2400g. Nice to see i can play some games on it.
Potential for a transcoding media server are really exciting
This should be a gooood upgrade to my dad's PC with a R3 3200g. That CPU still beat the outgoing PC (Mac) we had from 2011 to 2019, which was a 2010 iMac, with an Intel Core i3-540, 12 GB RAM, and the ATI Radeon HD 4670, All for less than $500.
P.S. The iMac was struck by lightning in September of 2019.
Wait for The Ryzen 5 5200g
I bought this cpu about half a year ago. I am very happy with the integrated graphics!
Love your new apu series as it's getting harder to get new gpus at this point nice review 👍
Just brought myself MSI
Infinite S 10SI-052UK Gaming Desktop PC - Intel Core i5-10400, 8GB RAM, 512GB PCIE SSD, GTX 1660 SUPER GPU. or £800. I know I've pretty much over paid but i am happy with it does the job also for 1080p 60 hz gaming on my 4k tv :)
"On load with a friend"; yeah he mining it for every cuda core in it :-)
Lol, might be since the 3070 would be just over $5/day, no wonder they are out of stock everywhere!
Really looking forward to get my hands on the new quad core athlons.
I've just build a pc with this processor, as there is no availability of normal priced gpu's, it will bridge until the market is a bit more normal. Hopefully by that time the new AMD processors have come down in price a bit as well.
this is what i need gaming tech for normal people
It has a super strong memory controller. Get yourself some overclockers dream DDR4 memory and push the integrated graphics to the moon!
Yea the mem con is allot better than the 3200g I had.
I got me one for my build. It works like a charm. Love it! Since GPU stock is so outrageous at the moment, the integrated graphics will have to doi. :)
Much potential...
I can think of some lovely pc builds using that chip.
intergrated graghic are getting pretty amazing now, its mental
This will be a decent APU if it can be available, in ecent quantities. Whast is great with this channel is that it gives real world figures on pc stuff that most people will be able to afford, 3080, and even 3060 a re unobtanium at the moment. Its great to see what is still decent to game with.
I kinda want like a really small itx pc with the 4650 as an extra gaming pc for travel
The reason why the 4650g is slightly slower than the 3600 though the 4650g has higher stock clocks is due to the lower L3 cache (8 vs 32mb) and fewer pci lanes (12 vs 20).
Got My 4650g from eBay for an asrock deskmini build. LOVE It
Awesome :) yeah the desk mini seems like a decent and popular choice
I just hope once all the new consoles are sold they'll make a zen3/rdna2 apu.. that should make for a sweet combo
i like how you find these cpus. And im glad youre finding these cpus.
I've pretty much given up on being able to find most CPUs and especially GPUs in stock at a price anywhere near MSRP throughout all of 2021. Maybe 2022 things will get better...
When I bought my Ryzen 5, I went down a notch because I didn't want an APU so ended up with the 2600g which is holding up very well. I knew my motherboard didn't have an APU facility and no graphics out on the board and my RX570 would work fine so I saw no point in adding in something I would never utilise. It was difficult finding a straight Ryzen 5 at that time and I was very nearly looking into Ryzen 3 turf then found a bundle with a 2600 and for its age it wasn't that far behind a 3600g certainly the slight loss I could live with. This weekend I am hoping to get into my cupboard of despair and get out all the old AGP and early PCIex hardware including a lovely XFX x1300, poss my much abused and warranty replaced 9800GT and maybe even a couple old NF2 era mobo's lurking in there I seem to have spotted :)
fun fact, the ryzen 7 4750g was used by buildzoid to run ddr4 6000mhz on literally a cold night, it has one of the best ddr4 memory controllers in existance (rocket lake might have a revised imc so that statement could age poorly)
I have one currently paired with an RX 6800, and out of all the games I play the most demanding one would be Cyberpunk. I honestly get a solid 70 to 75 fps at mix of medium, high, and ultra settings. The big reason I got it though was to be used in an HTPC once Ryzen 5000 is more available
The Battlefield 4 Fps would have been interesting. I wonder if you would get 60fps in that game.
I have it on my pc. It runs gta V, battlefront 2, insurgency sandstorm, witcher 2 like a boss. It's increíble what it can do
@RandomGamingHD can you test overclocking the iGPU on the 4650G? That 7nm Vega should do rather well.
Ryzen APU's are revolutionary. Vega8 user here
Just bought a 3700x, more than happy with it
3700x is a goated cpu
@@IINareik a what CPU?
@@codykamminga9667 the one you said 😂
@@IINareik what’s a goated cpu?
@@codykamminga9667 bruh, the 3700x
If these had Navi instead of vega (and brought to consumer market) they would fly off shelves.
True but they already fly apparently lol
vega is more efficient with lower core count than navi.
Just built a box with this cpu coupled to an Asus B450 Pro II. The onboard GPU is certainly way better than past IGPU’s……………but it’s still onboard. I will install a R9-290X to achieve better performance. The CPU is lightning fast but requires considerable tweaking time to achieve maximum stock performance. Coupled with 32 gb of 3200 mhz ram………….it is a beast.
Got mine down the Ali Express route.
Well happy. One note it is a pcie 3.0 chip so don't waste money on 550/570 board unless going for the upgrade path later
There is one prebuilt like that in Lithuania for 369 euros. A520 Board, 8gb 3200mhz ( probably in single channel as always), SSD 240 gb and all of that in case with looks from 2008 ( same with psu I believe :) ). Sell all unwanted components for about ~ 165 in used market websites, and 4650g is in your hands fast for fair price for proper build.
I'm not replacing my 3600 too soon.
It runs 3200Mt/s on 1.2V ecc ram from micron, with a 1:1 ratio for the infinity fabric on stock voltages.
Also it turbos to 3600MHz and above on the box cooler. The max I have seen so far was 3683MHz.
But I eyed the pro series because of their ECC support.
I have this thing in a desk mini and it’s a powerhouse
I still hope AMD will start using the infinity cache they introduced with the RX6000 series GPUs in future APUs. Infinity cache made it possible for AMD to work with a 192-bit bus interface where a competing model by NVidia needs 256 bits plus faster VRAM (while performing slightly worse). Means, infinity cache helps to drastically increase data throughput which would (I think) partially solve the bandwidth issue in iGPUs. I therefore believe that future APUs could finally deliver a performance between an RX 560 and 570 or even more - which would be great - not only for gaming. Come on AMD, do something!
I don't feel there was much progress in APUs throughout the past 3 years. Time to change it.
Dang I need this! It's hard to find a prebuilt with an opening in front for an optical drive though, so I'll probably settle for a 3400G until discrete cards are easier to find.
I subbed! Is the 4650 limited to a certain RAM speed?🤔 Thanks is the pro better than the regular 4650?
Ram speed depends on your system BIOS. Some bios are locked, for example on HP desktops. The 4600G is the same as 4650 PRO, only difference is 4650 PRO has additional security features for enterprise. Get the regular 4600G if you dont need extra security features.
@@cielazul713 thank you! I got the 5600G APU. The 5700G was out of my PC build budget! Pairing it with crucial ballistic DDR4 3600 CL16 (8gb x 2 cards)
@@j.lietka9406 yes, that is perfect pairing. you made excellent choice 👍!!
@@cielazul713 thanks! 🤓
Great video, just would be nice to know what settings you are using in each benchmark to achieve that performance.
I would recommend recording the footage at a higher bitrate since games do look a bit blurry at 1080p and even more blurry after youtube compression.
UA-cam will compress it so bad it won't matter. I did a test and it looks like it might be 70:1 compression size (like turns 70 MB video into 1 MB, as that's roughly how compressed I had to go in Handbrake to make it look the same. Even my old garbage phone that only did 480p video (and not even well) I still noticed compression loss at 720p and even just a little at 1080p (which is roughly 16x 480p images), so it really won't matter if he records at a dumpster fire of a setting or the best available, because UA-cam will make it look trash either way, and I'm not so sure it wouldn't look better at a low rate if UA-cam would mess with it less but I really don't know.
My Ryzen 7 4750G is serving me well as my current bedroom PC with it's APU Graphics being plenty enough for a bit of Gaming here and there - nicked it out of a pre built along with the ASUS B550 Motherboard and put it in my own case. Also had to upgrade the RAM as it came with only 8GB 2400MHz and now it's 32GB 2666MHz as the motherboard didn't like my Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3200MHz RAM and kept going into safe mode even though it says on the ASUS website it's supported and the CPU supports it go figure.
@@eye776 Yeah mine is 16 18 18 36 and just defaults to 2133MHz and if I try to set it to 3200MHz it just wont post and eventually boots in safe mode. The motherboard says it supports 3200MHz without needing to OC but it just wont have it......
@@BillyBoy444 XMP _IS_ OC but it's supported, _factory tested OC_ 2166Mhz is just the reference _"bare minimum"_ speed for DDR4.
Worst case, try manually setting its timings in the BIOS.
TBH I had issues with Corsair RAM too (mine was 16-20-20) but RMAed the kit and went for _cheaper_ G.Skill Aegis that ran at 3200Mhz with XMP profile.
I mean RAM heatsink only really cools it by 1-2 degrees in factory config anyway.
@@eye776 Yeah tried the XMP but it wont have it. Only bought it because it was RGB and 3200MHz but no point if it's going to default to 2133MHz and might as well just OC my standard RAM and sell the Corsair kit on.
Interesting comparison, although I think I would have liked to see a comparison between the APU and a 3600 and cheap gpu (used even) combination costing the same. (Edited.)
I was able to overclock this chip to 4.5GHz with 1250MHz IGP and 3766MHz Ram I had doubled the in-game performance in GTA V and Batman Arkham Knight and it outperformed the 3600 in both multi and single core by far.
I always like your vids man, keep it up.
The idea of getting an APU is actually a viable one. Have a 3600, but with the "GPU crisis" the 4350 or 4650 is for the time being, a good one. Thanks for the comparison of the 3600, 4350, & the 4650. 🤓
Can u use the integrated graphics to run your physics and take a small load off of the CPU cores and discrete GPU? Would make a chip like this beneficial for those who did not need integrated graphics...
* PhysX
Why are there only gaming reviews on YT on the APU's? These APU's are very capable workhorses for office- and other work. Some photo editing, virtualisation and development work f.e. My 4650G is in single core more powerfull than my old 2700X and in multicore only slightly slower. It's amazing
Like the new graphs, good touch.
You should do some benchmarks with this APU with retro and modern titles
i wish that it was easier to find the actual seriel number from these new integrated units. renoir C# seems to be the new parts in these but most sites dont recognize that. the C7 in the case of this part and the C8 being in the 4750g additional. C being the number of execution units. the C8 is also ~.2 mhz faster, and ~500 Gflops faster depending on the processor its in so the comparison could be interesting.
Buen video bro 💪
The 4000 series can handle higher RAM speeds and since its paired (in prebuilts) with a 500 series motherboard that also supports the 5000 series, it makes for a better upgrade path. I tought you would mention that...
"I'll see you all in the next-"
Hmmmmmm
I guess we'll never know when he'll see us again :(
He will see as in the next video .
🤔 but Steve doesn't see us in any video, it is us who sees him
The 5000 series is what a lot of UA-camrs are talking about but let's be real, it's not even available in most countries. Its the 4000 series which is the new release and current standard in most countries right now.
nice comparison.. looking for great cpu on small pc for a while
Interesting comparison, although I think it would have been better comparing the APU to a 3600 and cheap gpu (used even) combination costing the same.