Give Me an Answer - Student Holds to Everything Being Relative
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2023
- Program 2823 ................... - Morals and Culture - Relativity - Creation ..............
Recorded at Texas State University - October 2023.
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The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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This video shows me how much rebellion is in the spirit of human beings, it’s really sad
its the human nature.. thats another reason ALL must be born again.. given a new nature.. a new identity.. in HIS name.
@@1337itjosh Indeed
Assertions without evidence.@@1337itjosh
@@1337itjoshwhich is impossible I know because I already tried. Go and sinning no more is literally impossible. I will never be perfect
Yeah. No kidding, that guy asking all the questions was literally NOT listening to F.A.C.T.S AND LOGIC. purely simple. Facts and logic, EVERYTHING CANT COME FROM NOTHINGGG HOW THE $$$$ could that make logicALLL sense(.??)
No matter how frustrating these conversations are, this is a beautiful depiction of Roman 1. professing to be wise they became fools.
It was hard to watch him going in circles on a subject that’s not difficult to understand. But I have faith that it’s a seed planted in all present there. Merry Christmas!
You are talking about cliffe, I agree.
@@dperkins01you must be bro from the video
@@Frankenshmurdano, cliffe doesn’t know how to lay the foundations for his arguments very well. I’m a Christian, so I agree with cliffe overall, but his arguments aren’t very well articulated.
@@calebalvarez1234 nonsense, his points were clear, easy to follow and make perfect sense.
@@calebalvarez1234Nonsense
I just wanna say, I had a stroke at age 21, and during the first 30 minutes or so, give or take, i was fully paralyzed. Not just one side of my body like they always say about strokes, no, both sides. The extent I could move was limited to my eye balls and pushing vocalizations out of my mouth without being able to even move it to form actual words. As I laid there, the primarily thought going through my head was, "Somethings not right." Over and over. But there was an overwhelming feeling of... freedom? The best way I can explain it, is all my life has been pressure and stress of having to make my own decisions. To pick and choose. To excert my will on the world. And in that time, I knew what was happening was not of my will, and it was God's will. That either I would lay there, unable to help myself, and die in my own vomit, or I'd live and be okay. But being in that position where I couldnt do anything, it was purely up to God, or chance - because I was practically atheist at the time, felt so oddly liberating. It sounds horrorifying, to think of yourself unable to move a muscle, but fully awake and aware, yet is truly was unexplainably freeing to 'not be in control' for once. For perhaps the first time in my life. I guess my point is to trust in God's will. It doesnt have to be paralyzing and scary. It can be liberating and feel really good. It took another couple years before I accepted Jesus's atonement and sacrifice for me, and gained a hardy testimony that will stay with me for life, but it can be done. Jesus, God, YHWH, whatever name you prefer --> He loves us all, and wants us to know Him, to seek Him. And Cliff does an amazing job of helping us to do exactly that. God bless you all, and Cliff. ❤
Thank you for sharing your unique testimony. God can surely use incidents like this, to speak to us.
This is Amazing... That I may say is a practically physical way experience the frailty of Man and the Freedom of God.. What it means for God to be in Control and we are not..
Thank you my friend for your testimony may the LORD keep blessing you in everything way spiritually
@@HeavenFace Peace to you. I appreciate the kind words. Blessings to you and yours.
Amazing testimony 👏
Atheism is such a crazy stretch to believe in. You're doing immense work for the truth, Cliffe and Stuart. Happy holidays.
How so? Is it less crazy to believe that a god impregnated his own mom to give birth to himself so that he could die to sacrifice himself to himself so that he could forgive the sins of the world and of people who have not even been born yet???
@@laurodavalos1685 atheists are sooo illogical.. they will argue that "its absolutely true, that there are NO absolutes"... 😵💫
Jesus is a myth. Neither Cliffe nor his son believe all that BS, they've heard all the arguments and have no good ones themselves for Jesus. But they have to make a living, so they lie thru their teeth
Why ?
I should believe in a God because ?
@@jasonnoble7302 watch the video instead commenting
😂10:08 bro in the back had to walk away after he said that. Great video, luv u guys.
Bro didnt want to hear more of that LMAO
😭😭
Yeah he lost me there as well. I didnt even see the guy walk outta there. I think at that moment he lost bc theres no way in his right mind he would say that publicly. Which indicates he's speaking outta his ass
I caught that too. The way he shook his head, I am betting dollars to donuts dude walked away for the sake of the fool talking. Could almost see him thinking "i better leave before I say or do something that isn't going to help anyone today!"
😂😂😂 that killed me
This guy is as stubborn as a tree, kudos to you guys for dealing so well and patiently with him
Not every young man is ready to shovel up all the b.s. from 2 jumping jesters
@@walterdaems57 how is it b.s.?
@@williamguy6855 Seriously??? Or is the story of a celestial wizard who shook the universe out of his sleeve your idea of something that stands to logic and reason. Give me a break. Or better still, give yourself a break and start thinking for yourself instead of gobbling up a whole lot of crazy.
@@walterdaems57 What was there before anything was? The universe had a beginning, what started it?
@@walterdaems57Thinking for yourself says the atheist who can only speak what was taught to him, like everyone else.
Christianity really gets you butt hurt, which is all in scripture, so nothing you say is new or surprising.
He showed his true character at the end, the boy has a true hatred for theists which persisted through the discussion. I’ll pray Jesus wakes him up! Merry Christmas 👶
He did. He wouldn’t shake his hand out of pride.
he's going to run back to his room to cry
And just saying "it's relative" is at the very least a lazy argument, in general a very unthoughtful argument, and at worst a nefarious argument. I will pray for him as well.
These videos from Cliffe and Stuart have blessed me immensely since I’ve started following this channel a few yrs ago. One of my favorite Apologetic channels! God bless them and their ministry
I couldn’t have said it better. Same here. Started watching a little over a year ago I think and have binged his content for weeks before, and still come to one of his videos about once a week now.
He loves himself so much when he’s jestering around back and forth with his sidekick ready to jump in 😂😂😂😂
They are very passionate. God always bless them for doing what they are called to do.
@@walterdaems57 Yup, tag teaming stupidity makes you jumpy sometimes
@@JamesReborn2023 Well he's wrong. Morality is subjective
This video shows how much Cliffe loves. He persists through it all to do his best to plant a seed. I think at the very end there, when they were actually listening and not thinking of a rebuttal, that seed was planted. You explained it eloquently Cliffe. God bless you and yours, and Merry Christmas!
He's wrong
@@bipslone8880so would you care to explain why or are you just gonna drop that and walk away
@@tg798 Morality doesn't come non-demonstrable entity it comes from the fact that we are social animals.,
@@bipslone8880 If you think humans sat back 1000's of years ago and made a democratic vote that they don't like people murdering them, stealing their stuff, lying to them, etc..... then you are quite a zealot of a cult religion. No one had to tell you that you don't want to be murdered - you instinctively know this because whether you want to believe it or not, the moral law has been written on your heart. No one had to tell you that you don't like people lying to you. No one had to tell you that you don't like people stealing your stuff. People didn't "just decide" morality, they came to realize that an objective moral standard exists. Morality is not subjective, no matter how much of a close-minded zealot that you are.
Never seen cliffe so fired up before. Been watching him for years now 😊
That was fire. I agree. 👊🔥❤️
He's been more fired up I been watching over 10 years there was a time when he went in on a atheist girl 😂
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf You got it 👍
@@EchoGuzmanreally
Its encouraging to see so many young people gathered around and listening to this conversation. Regardless of that mans beliefs these are the most important topics to discuss. Great job Cliffe and Stuart
Merry Christmas Cliffe and Stuart, thank you for your words and wisdom. God bless!
Merry Christmas to you!
1 Corinthians 15:3-5 👑
“For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
Titus 2:13 🎁
“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”
@@NewCreationInChrist896
I thought you asked for me to become a Christian 😢
It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
“BOLOGNA”
I love it lol
So great 😂
Absolutely epic, so grateful GOD put you men out there to help these kids
well, now ask why these persons are NOT going to the places that are lost completely, like the muslim countries ? (unlike the devout apostles,saints and martyrs)
@@mekavio8231who are these "persons"
@@jorbit9707 believers that want to do please their god and do his wish, by preaching to the lost souls.
yemen, iraq, saudi arabia, and all those other muslims countries are filled with ppl that will go to hell for eternity, yet most believers don't care enough to go there and preach to them. they rather stay in their safe spot or neighborhood instead. allowing for all of those sould to to burn in hell.
you think god would like that,and would sent you straight to heaven, for failing to spread his word to the ones that need it the most ???
its outright suicide to preach in countries like that. its unfortunately safer to spread the word to lost people in a country that has basic human rights and free speech. why die when people need to hear the message in the US badly too? Everybody needs to hear what he has to say. But some places are inaccessible due to evil. @@mekavio8231
There's none so blind as those who will not see. This breaks my heart.
Poor little guy didnt have the spine to shake a real mans hand😂
You mean the moral sense to do so.
"The wicked flee when no man pursues" - Proverbs 28:1 God was right yet again. ✝️
This is going back to the issue today - I can be anything I want - animal, gender, race anything I “believe to be true” because it’s “my truth” therefore you must adhere to it….or cancel culture kicks in if you disagree with me. It’s become feelings over facts.
@@cosmosnature989-bs6ux the fact is unless youre a Jesus myther you believe He was a real person. So your two choices at that point are either you believe the body was stolen or He rose. The difference between us at that point is you dont believe in the super natural and I do. We have different presuppositions. But to say its just purely feelings flys in the face of the billions of people who believe in the resurrection and thw millions who have spent their lives searching for truth for thousands of years. Also if naturalists/materialists could genuinely produce His body most Christians would deconvert. Now heres my favorite part about the resurrection. His enemies existed and wouldnt want Him to truly be who He said He was. They would have looked for the body. But they never found it. We are talkinf about 2000 years ago. The tools they had to dig werent modern. So what some people try to say is the diciples not only were deranged,lunatic liers. Who went against what they believed but also apparently were some of the greatest grave robbers and hiders to have ever existed. Also they didnt have cars so they must have fashioned the best carrying system known to man at that time to not only escape with the body but not been seen. Then to top it all off when they were killed,persecuted, tortured they never thought to reveal where the body was located or to admit that they were lying for what would have been a negative net gain. Then people say oh well they just all hallucinated it. But somehow thomas literally puts His finger in the whole of His hand and just hallucinated that as well? So no not feelings. We dont cease to reason when we believe in Christ.
@@cosmosnature989-bs6uxIt's definitely not feelings; we weren't there! We go off the facts as recorded by eyewitnesses and by historians, and as studied by cold case detectives, etc.
@@cosmosnature989-bs6uxthis was a documented event not some fable
@@cosmosnature989-bs6ux Why do you believe that Hannibal crossed the Alps with elephants? Because someone wrote it down? But when other people write other things down, you don't believe them?
What a scary mindset to have that morality is relative. I have a criminal cousin who excused his actions by saying it's all product of determinism.
God is so powerful and loving.. he gives us all exactly what we want..
If we want god/love/truth/morals/logic in our lives, he grants it to us for eternity..
If we dont want god/love/truth/morals/logic in our lives, he grants it to us for eternity..
Can I choose to not be a sinner?
@@jasonnoble7302 you can choose to follow Jesus and do your best to follow his ways. The holy spirit he'll give you will help you. You won't be perfect until you get a new body, but still...
@@black-cross
I’m not asking you about that.
Am I determined to be a sinner?
@@jasonnoble7302 yes. no matter what you do, you'll always sin. even mother theresa was a sinner.
One of the more intense debates I've seen Cliff / Stewart have. I love how the the crowd was hanging on to every word. Keep up the good work guys.
I love cliff, I love how he can just talk off the top of his head. He needs a podcast or another interview. Hes increased my faith alone off his work.
This is probably one of my most favorite debates that I’ve watched so far, and I’ve watched countless debates from Cliffe and Stuart. Will definitely be coming back to this often.
Cliff speaks with such consistency and clarity and purpose, it is awesome to watch. He is concise and direct as well which makes it even better. Truly a pleasure to find your channel sir!
Merry Christmas fellas. Praying for your ministry and have been blessed immensely by your videos. Thank you for encouraging everyone including me to study the Gospels and Jesus. Also to be patient and loving to everyone while sharing Jesus.
If you like to share Jesus, share his truth. Christmas ain't it 😢
@@Bonita.ch1 Was that what Paul told you?? Are you are Pharisee?? Paul said we can choose to celebrate as long as it's to the glory of God. You've been blinded
@@Bonita.ch1
Yeah since it’s been moved & mixed to the pagan religion.
I had the same mindset as you did but remember, what @raphaelfeneje mentioned about paul”we can choose to celebrate as long as it’s to the glory of God”
I kinda agree but not at the same time. 🥴
@@raphaelfeneje486I love that you informed @Bonita.ch1.
But please refrain from making the truth claim.
It is rude if it wasn’t even the truth, besides he prob didn’t know that part.
@@chigidychad9738 Sorry, I was simply stating facts! People who are bound by the law and impose their ideology on others are like Pharisees. That's what the Pharisees did at the time. Paul has spoken against this. If we are to use that logic, we won't praise God any day because every days has paganism attached. Paul already said we should do all to the glory of God. Most of us who are into missions use the Christmas to call people to God who gave us the greatest gift and paid for our sins. All these pagan philosophy is Demonic and hinders our praise to God.
This is the first video I’ve seen of Stuart getting into it conversationally and I love it lol he’s usually so laid back but good to see him show his passion
Well done Team. Unfortunately, the conscience becomes seared and people cannot even think logically anymore. Cannot even shake the Old Man's hand, how disrespectful the youth has become. From South Africa.
God Bless Cliffe and Stuart, please never stop spreading the Gospel!!
He's wrong
@@bipslone8880 wrong about what?
@@jorbit9707 Morality coming from a non-demonstrable God is wrong. Morality comes from the fact that we are social animals. It usually manifests through rules and laws of society. Most social animals demonstrate things usually associated as morality, like justice, reciprocity, well being.
@@bipslone8880 God IS demonstrable to the open-minded. He is not demonstrable to a closed-mind like yours. You are a zealot.
I haven't finished watching this one yet but Cliffe, I know it can get frustrating and thank you for doing what you do. It was uncomfortable seeing you appear to lose your temper but I could see times where your son stepped in and it helped kind of help you reset. I could be way off on my thoughts and forgive me if I am. Just wanted to try to encourage you because I've seen so many of your videos and it looked like today's might have been one of those where they got to you a little bit. I know you recognize that sometimes you struggle there which is big of you to be honest about. I've learned a lot watching your videos as Im trying to get better at addressing questions and discussions my atheist friends and coworkers bring up. Thank you for all of these videos and sharing all of them. I hope the next one isn't so frustrating, and for you to stay encouraged with God's help. Please know how much of a blessing it is for us watching these videos too. God bless you both and all the students you talk with and everyone watching these videos. Thank God for the unique way He uses you guys
The guy was just upset that he lost the debate 🤣🤣
I don't believe that he can't see how evil he was there. He'll have to answer to God for that, and he won't like it.
What they’re teaching them is scary and dangerous, may the Lord keep giving you wisdom and patience.
Seeing Debates actually be fruitful are a blessing. There are few who actually do accomplish this, amongst alot of people debating JUST to argue, Praise God!
Wow Cliff, the patience you have with him is amazing. I love to see if there was an ending to the lady. Wanted more!
i have a feeling we will see more of her in the next instalment :-)
Why do people not understand that in a conversation, you speak, and when finished speaking, the other person speaks until finished. I love how you can hear the guy constantly speaking in the background as they Cliff is speaking, and then he complains that they are not letting him speak.
They always do this because they cannot morally or reasonably back up their stance. They know that they've lost and their guilty conscience is going into overdrive.
It’s amazing to see cliff and his son , I remember when it was just cliff
When something strikes the depth of your being as good or evil, whether you believe in God or not, it is not you deciding if it's right or wrong. It is God working through you, speaking to your conscience. That is objective morality. But we don't all walk in lockstep to every issue of right and wrong. From that point, how you decide to handle it, or to what degree of opinion you might have on said matter of right or wrong is where moral relativism comes in.
at 10:07 the black man in the back was genuinely like: "Nah I'm done with this guy" 😂😂 lmaoo
He knocked it out of the park with the last sentence. Praise the lord.
Happy Birthday Jesus!❤
Also, 11:18 Cliffe: "That is SO SCARY its INCREDIBLE" HAHAHA😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i love you man
Praying for cliff and Stuart. Also praying for the young man whose mind is being blocked by the devil
😂😂
Great job guys! This was another one that I didn't want to end.
Tough one to deal with but these gentlemen handled it with care and didn’t disengage which I respect. Hard to see a person so hard headed and not open to understand the other sides view instead of just trying to dissect it
Science is tinkering with the things made by God. We're not discovering anything, we're learning how they work.
I love this comment
The man asking all the questions was literally NOT listening to F.A.C.T.S AND LOGIC. purely simple. Facts and logic, EVERYTHING CANT COME FROM NOTHING HOW THE -- could that make logicALsense
They claim that there was a singularity before the big bang - basically a 1-dimensional point full of all the energy that expanded into our universe. The problem is that they also claim the singularity _was_ eternal. The issue with that is glaringly obvious; if the singularity was eternal, where is it now? Eternal things can't disappear or change - it's a complete contradiction.
Basically if people don't reason from the Truth they'll say all kinds of crazy, illogical things.
This proves how much we all need to pray for the youth of the world...that they pursue WISDOM more than knowledge.
YOUR GENERATION IS JUST AS BAD BUDDY
The amount of enlightenment that I'm receiving about all sorts of questions is amazing. Thank you Cliffe and Stuart.
Wow!!! Keep in mind that your goal is not to prove yourself right but rather to help them understand that they are deceived. Love, man.
How do you know when someone is deceived?
@@jasonnoble7302Are you still looking for answers?
@@jasonnoble7302 When they deny reality, as you do.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven
Fascinating
How do I deny reality and how do you know I deny reality?
@@jasonnoble7302 The evidence for God is so abundant, that only haters and those who are deceived would deny it. The blind faith of the atheist reveals that it is not a head problem, it's not that there's no evidence, it's that the atheist simply doesn't want it to exist. The problem with the atheist is a heart issue. They close their mind as tightly as the Amish do against electricity. It's zealotry and close-mindedness. You are an absolute zealot, unreasonable. You street-preaching your atheism here is unwanted and unneeded. None of the evidence for atheism that you espouse is convincing in the least.
“Everything is relative”
“That’s an objective statement” 😂
God bless these men of God!! 👏
Let’s go Cliffe and Stuart! Holding it down in the streets! I see many more are LISTENING now than how they use to heckle. They are hungry and thirsty for righteousness! They shall be FILLED! Hallelujah! 🥳🙌🏽🥳🙌🏽🥳🙌🏽
This is the first time I ever seen Stewart start off the video first amazing nice good job you both Cliffe’s, and Stewart. Jesus Christ is King 👑. May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen 🙏 ❤️🕊️👑✝️
Without lies atheism dies
This. 🎯☝️
Satan created atheism and he meets the same fate without lies.
It's a world full of Bonnie's, Jason's, and Jackel's! Nothing is actually wrong... but some things you just know are wrong. Make up your mind, guys. But then, to do that, you would have to actually THINK and we all know that the resident trolls are NOT willing to do that.
So true, my brother so true, and I've been praying for you. Hopefully things are going well for you. God bless your brother.
BOLOGNY
Thanks for your videos Cliff and Stuart, means a lot to me :)
Hahaha!😂 BOLOGNA! I love when he says that 😂
*i can't help but laugh that my guy at **1:39** is sitting under the horse's pooper like that..* 😆
EDIT: *then i notice my dude sitting under two horse's 'masculinity' at **2:06**..* 😆
another edit: * and then my homegirl at 2:26 sat down closer like 'oooh this gettin good' 😆
This started as a very interesting discussion and then ended as a very frustrating one. Enjoyed it.
My Lord and Savior keep blessing Stuart and Cliffe with this amazing ministry. Let's go Brothers keep glorifying Our Lord's name❤
Didn't shake your hand, pretty clear where his heart is at.
This
Cliff, your teachings made me strong to this falling world ..Merry Christmas
I give great kudos to people like this. I can teach from the Bible IF someone really wants to know and learn the Bible. But I have literally no patients or tolerance for the willful ignorance of an atheist who will make any and every argument to remain wrong and *STILL* claim and argue to be right. I have tried live debating and I am too weak not to lose my mind and then sin in anger.
What a great debate. Wish I could remain as calm and collected as you both!’
Cliffe 5 minutes into the conv: this guy is incorret.
Cliffe 10 minutes into the conv: this guy is insane.
Wonderful ministry... So inspiring!
stuart will be like his father, darn he might even be better
this was great!!!
Jeremiah 17:9-10
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Jeremiah 9:5-6
And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 59:13-14
In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter
Isaiah 32:6;8
For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. But the LIBERAL DEVISETH LIBERAL THINGS; and by LIBERAL THINGS SHALL HE STAND
Isaiah 57:4
Who are you mocking? At whom do you sneer and stick out your tongue? Are you not a brood of rebels, the offspring of liars?
1 Samuel 15:22-23
And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For REBELLION IS AS THE SIN OF WITCHCRAFT, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
Amen
Merry Christmas!
soooo good!
Merry Christmas! All love 😍
This was amazing! Great job you two. I truly enjoyed watching this and this young man just has too much pride to humble himself. But you couldn't have explained this any better than you two did! Thank you for your service and sacrifice
Cliffe and Stuart Rock!
Excellent
one of my favorites!
This kid is trying to argue that because not everyone agrees when it comes to moral that there is an objective morality. It's all relative. So he dances around the question and taking a stance and would rather lo9k foolish than admit when he's wrong. It's like saying that 2+2=4 but if one society says 2+2=7 well now we don't know anymore. There's no more objective truth to the answer. Maybe in 10 years 2+2=76. Simply because we can't agree. It's amazing how purposely ignorant some people will be just because of pride. They would rather look and sound foolish instead of admitting they were wrong or admitting their perspective was incorrect.
I love these videos; please keep them coming.
This video was 💯👌🏼
Merry Christmas Cliffe and Stuart! And, thank you for your service! The people need the Truth, in a society totally in darkness! God bless you!
The jumping jester and sidekick are part of the darkness. There is no god. You’re past the age to cherish some imaginary bff. So grow up and deal with it.
@@walterdaems57why are atheists so depressed and angry?😂
Awesome
man i love cliff and stuart❤️
AMEN! GLORY to GOD[FATHER,SON JESUS, & HOLY SPIRIT]🙌🏼
GOD BLESS YOU pastor cliffe and stuart❤️ Merry CHRISTmas🎉
#JESUSisLORD
Very good answers to the questions. You do not waste much time, but get right to the issues, and show the fallacies of the opponents arguments. I'm glad there are many gathered around to hear the views of both sides, so they can use their free will to choose what is the best explanations.
What fallacy 🤷♂️
Do we have the free will to not be sinners?
@@jasonnoble7302 Free will can not change the past, and once we are dead, free will can not change our situation. But now, we can choose. We can choose to love God, or hate God. We can choose to forgive those who have wronged us, or we can harbor bitterness. We are all born with a sin nature. When a person is saved, he receives a second nature, a spiritual nature. Everyday we choose which nature we will follow, the fleshly nature, or the Spiritual nature. Apostle Paul talks about the fleshly nature still wanting to sin, but it is waring with the spiritual nature, of those who have been born again. What matters is not that we work to stop sinning to earn a place in heaven, but that we be born again, and receive Jesus righteousness and His forgiveness. The spiritual nature does not sin, but the temporary fleshly nature does. So we do not stop sinning to be saved, but because we are saved, out of humility, and gratitude. Once believers die, we are done with the fleshly nature, we receive a new body.
@@jasonnoble7302 You have the free-will to STFU. Or are you just being controlled by your chemical reactions and that they won't let you decide to do so?
Thank you guys for such a great Christmas gift 😊😂
Great video.
Why is the first guy having such a hard time understanding what theyre saying? To not understand what they are trying to say, youd have to be looking just to argue, not even looking for a genuine answer
Jesus Christ is Lord. I remember when I was blind and rebellious. But know that if you seek, you knock Christ will answer. I was 33 years old when I found Christ. I pray all these people stimulate and water the seed planted during this conversation. Many will walk away from this convo and forget all about it without a second thought BUT, some will remember in 2 months or some in 15 years. Never underestimate the potential on a seed planted. Jesus is alive. And he is deeply rooted.
Muslims say different
Cool @@jasonnoble7302
@@jasonnoble7302 Islam is a man-made religion. Just like atheism.
Great discussion. Merry Christmas!!!
Merry Christmas and thank you for making me curious about my faith
Wow, this kid was obliterated. Sad to watch. Pray for him.....
There is a madness that cannot be excused. And thats the madness that takes a man to hell.
For who in their right mind would go to that place. Therefore we must conclude that those who go there are not in their right mind. They are mad.
They madly fight against God, spurning all His warnings and refuse to heed the messages of God from His prophets in the Bible.
And lastly they commit the greatest of all sins by rejecting the Saviour Jesus Christ and His message of salvation.
Merry Christmas ❤
A new Cliffe video is a great Xmas gift
Forgive me for saying this but sometimes people are so hardheaded they don’t want to listen. At times you have to let people live and die by their own decisions.
Nothing to forgive. You are absolutely correct. You can explain all you're capable of to someone, but you can never make them understand. God resists the proud but reveals Himself to those who are humble. Do not lean on your own understanding.
I decide to not be a sinner
I’m not a sinner now right ?
Even when I lust for women right ?
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Why would God resist the proud ?
@@jasonnoble7302cause they don’t want to depend on God. It’s like my mother telling me to stop eating so much candy but I resist because I’m prideful and don’t want help and eventually I end up accumulating obesity and die really young. God will resist to help you if you don’t want to be helped. Hope you understand respectfully of course.
Merry Christmas in Jesus name...
Well, Christmas is a pegan tradition. Dont get deceived
best one ive seen so far! i wish i could see it in its entirety but thank you, God bless you all
Wow GREAT episode
I don't understand why he would lie like this, he knows deep down right and wrong are set in stone. It just confuses me why he would be so intellectually dishonest
Because it strongly implies that Somebody makes the rules and he doesn't want to think through the implications of that.
But it goes farther than God just making the rules. He IS the standard of objective moral righteousness itself. Established before the beginning of time. That's what makes it such a big issue. A Christian's duty is to be a representative of that standard. Leading others in humble righteousness. Not to be confused with being the source of the standard or claiming that Christians make the rules. The reason non-believers or people who aren't that serious about Christianity get extra upset when a Christian is a hypocrite or steps out of line with God's standard is the same reason people get extra upset when a cop takes a bribe, a judge is corrupt or a priest diddles with little kids. Christians, cops, judges and priests are all in positions of leadership and or authority, and therefore held to a higher standard.
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@@Echo-cy3gn in my experience the hypocrisy argument is wielded by people who refuse to adhere to any consistent set of standards so it's made in bad faith. If everything is relative then how can hypocrisy even exist? They're just hiding behind their lack of stated values.
@@showmeanedge
Actually no
Objective morality doesn’t mean someone makes the rules
All it means is there a source for it
@@Echo-cy3gn
Why do you accept your standard doesn’t have to follow his own rules?
I know that not all of my fellow atheists will agree with me on this one, and I understand why but I think in this video, we have seen an example of what happens when a fellow atheist doesn't concede that morality is objective in a debate with Christian theists and instead, they try to argue from a moral relativist perspective, namely, it will backfire on them because it's a self-defeating position by its own virtue.
I think we need to concede that one and accept that there are objectively right and wrong things, it's pointless denying it if we can't live it out and we can't, so instead let's focus on the question of whether or not God is the only possible explanation for it. Theists claim that God is the only possible explanation for the existence of objective morality, and I am challenging them on that claim, that's MY position but I agree with them that it exists.
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You -
We need to concede that there are objectively right and wrong things and it's pointless denying it if we cant live it out.
Response -
There is no such thing as Objective Morality because we cannot live out objective morality.
Why.?
Mankind is continually changing physically, intellectually, morally and spiritually; at one time, he is at the utmost development, and at another, he is at his lowest.
We know that man will rise and fall, expand and contract; hence, so will his moral code.
- A person can vehemently argue that murder is wrong until he has to justify murdering.
- A person can vehemently argue against theft until he has to justify stealing.
- A person can vehemently argue against abortion until they have to justify getting an abortion.
- A Priest can teach the ten commandments and return to his sacristy and break those ten commandments leaving his morality at the pulpit.
- A man can vehemently argue against rαρξ and return home to watch rαρξ porn.
- A man says: an act is morally wrong when you do it but morally correct when he does it.
Paul -
". . . for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I."
Man is the master of faces.
He follows a moral code in public and becomes a monster behind closed doors.
We see this contradiction in morality happening within religion all the time; whereby, they say morality is objective until they need it to be subjective.
Example -
1) Chrstns say that hurting infants is objectively immoral.
2) Until Yahweh says: dash the infants to pieces, and then it becomes morally acceptable because it was Yahweh that ordered it.
@@jackalsgate1146 There certainly is a contradiction in it for them, you're right there. In order to truly call something objectively right or wrong, it would have to be irrespective of what even God says (if there is one) because otherwise, if it all hinges on God's make-up or what God thinks and declares, then it can no longer be called 'objective', it would be subjective to God.
My idea of objective morality doesn't require a God or the belief in the existence of a God and neither does it require a lack of belief in God, it exists regardless of such a being and as a matter of fact, if God does exist, then God too would be subject to it and could choose to do an objectively right or wrong thing.
Now Christians here might say "Hey, John, God wouldn't do an ultimately wrong thing", OK, sure, they can say that but the point is he could if he wanted to. By their own admission, the God Christians believe in could be a merciless tyrant if he wanted to be but how would we know whether he was being a merciless tyrant or not if he is the one that defines this unless there is a standard outside of that being for us to gauge this by? This is where they are in a dilemma.
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Subjective Morality -
That which is defined by the individual, tribe, group, race, culture, society or nation; whereby, its beliefs may evolve and change over time.
Correct . . . there is right and wrong as a man, nation, culture, tribe, society, and race, defines right and wrong to be.
That is what makes morality subjective.
Objective Truth (Morality) -
That which is constant and never changes throughout history whether man exists or not.
That is why morality cannot be objective cause morality has changed over time.
Subjective Morality, does not mean -
There is no right or right, and we can all do whatever we want, as Cliffe would have everyone believe.
Cliffe loves to use the term: objective morality, cause he wants to connect God, as the foundation for morality, and I find it disgustingly dishonest.
Get em Cliff and Stuart. Bless you gentlemen.
Respect to those willing to debate publicly, courageously, patiently and boldly.
How do you free the slave from the chains they love?
you show them what Real Love is..
Thanks Odin ❤
@@jasonnoble7302 LOL..
All i know is, I dont know, what i dont know.
Exactly if it's all subjective then you can't say anything it's just all of our opinions.
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whomsoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life 🙌.
Subjective morality doesn’t entail the Christian God
Nor does free will mean you can choose not to sin
In fact your worldview determines you to be a sinner
@@jasonnoble7302 correct on subjective morals it's just feelings.
You can absolutely choose not to sin , I do on a daily.
GOD not our world view demonstrates we are all sinners fallen short of the grace of GOD
@@larzman651
Can you choose to not be a sinner?
@@jasonnoble7302 I can choose not to sin , and I have had my sins covered by the blood of JESUS. Is this what you want to know?
@@larzman651
You can in fact say subjectively what is right or wrong.
There’s no contradiction between correct morality and subjective reasoning
And the existence of objective morality doesn’t necessarily entail a God