I'm a medical professional (and recreational diver) and I wanted to address the rescue breaths issue. First: If you twist the head, you risk closing the airway. That's why you are supposed to keep someone in a "sniffing" position. Second: The debate about rescue breathing is when you don't know what has caused their issue. In this case, you *know* this guy was drowned. He did not have a cardiac event, the *only* reason his heart stopped was because he had stopped breathing. In those limited situations, rescue breathing is absolutely going to save their life and a defibrillator would likely do nothing. If you don't know *why* the person has gotten into trouble (and often with older divers) there's a cardiac issue underlying that has caused the issue. If there is a cardiac cause for the "collapse", a defibrillator is the only thing that is going to save those people. Rescue breathing is going to slow you down. They need the buddy to have information about the person who has been injured - does he have allergies? Does he have other conditions? How long was he down? How old is he? What's his name? (those help when assessing consciousness and addressing the person) So - if you *know* it is a drowning situation like this, where they were out of air, and the out of air is what has caused the issue, then absolutely try and do rescue breaths and rescue breaths *can* bring back circulation and heart function. You do want to be able to do some chest compressions to help push liquid out of the lungs, but rescue breaths can save lives. I work with babies and unlike big people their codes are almost always due to respiratory failure, and we almost never need a defibrillator.
Also, you'll want to make sure that the dive partner has not been through similar issues and is not a potential patient. Big thing that many people overlook.
Was going to say, nurse here, rescue breaths essential in a situation where you know someone has been without air. What I wanted to ask, though, is is there anything you can do if a boat is not available and you need to do chest compressions? Are there any options, Dr.? Also, I noted Gus was surprised about the HBOT set up. I take it this is an old video because being an old girl I assumed all baro chambers were set up and staffed this way until I say Woody looking for all the world like a giant baby in a fancy clear mini chamber like a SCBU incubator 😂 at California's Naval base (I believe)
@@annabizaro-doo-dah med student here, so not quite a Dr, but am rescue diver and emergency oxygen certified. At this time there is no certified way to perform any sort of chest compressions whilst in the water. chest compressions can only be currently performed on a solid surface (land, boat, etc). Your focus with rescue breaths is to try 1. get rid of water in lungs, 2. potentially restart spontaneous breathing by getting oxygen into the lungs, and 3. GET TO A SAFE PLACE when moving with a non-breathing patient, your aim should be to perform rescue breaths whilst pulling/pushing the patient to a safe area to perform a full primary assessment and BLS if needed. If there's no safe place anywhere (e.g. stranded in the middle of the ocean waiting on a boat) there's not much you can do apart from rescue breaths and keeping the airway open. please feel free to correct if i'm wrong on any of this, but this is what i was taught when doing my certification at the time.
my fifth dive after getting certified my dive buddy kicked my regulator out of my mouth and my mask off. I didn't panic, I did exactly as my training taught me to do and I recovered and had a great dive. Training over and over is the only way to get proficient and stay calm in unexpected scenarios.
@@JuanGarcia-or2ty The key word: training. As the OP said, you practice these things over and over so that the sensation doesn’t surprise you. It’s something you’ve done many times before, so it’s easy to do again.
Man I got a story lol. My first deep dive. I only had a few dives under my belt at this time. A wreck at about 110 feet. We made a stop about 30 feet down. The current was so powerful underwater we had to hold on to a line they set up for us to descend me being me. I was messing around while we waited on the line and let go of the line. I swam in place kicking at a pretty good clip remaining stationary. Was pretty funny. I was totally comfortable. Little did I realize I was setting myself up for what could have been a serious problem for more panicky people. When I got to the bottom about 110 feet my oxygen demand was outpacing the regulator because of my stunt earlier. I started blacking out a little bit so I kneeled down on the sea floor and closed my eyes. Sat still for about a good 30 seconds. My instructor was giving me signals like dude are you good. I just told him to wait. About a minute later I was 100. But man for a second there it could have been bad. You can’t just swim to the surface at this depth. Lesson I lived to learn. Always pace yourself. Slow is fast
This was indeed the rule that was broken. Discover Scuba are max 40ft. New divers may have very high air consumption, and will run out of air faster. 2nd rule broken is that the buddy should have checked the air tank pressure of the new diver often. But this is an old incident and at that time they may have had different rules
@@AdrianCorduneanu she wasn't a dive master nor a instructor so she shouldn't have brought him at all. Nothing infuriates me more than reckless diving. She isn't trained for it and he's not certified. You can't stop people from making stupid decisions like that they go diving without proper training, but in this case it was preventable. I'm happy both survived though and the guy going for a course.
actually, its foolish. Something a person severely lacking in good judgement (wisdom) would do. Even at peak fitness, age, health I wouldnt have considered it.
Mom started by saying she taught her son everything she remembered from when she was certified.. this says to me that not only did this boy have no certification, but he was taught by someone who some number of years ago vaguely remembers what she learned her lesson.. and they all thought that this was a safe practice. I don't get it at all
Years back I went diving in a quarry and an idiot in a dry suit was taking his uncertified (no training at all) younger brother into the water for some “try it out lessons”.
My relative's friend learned driving at the grandparents' farm, in the countryside, except gramps had to drive an automobile almost daily in city, countryside and cross country environment. I myself started learning driving from my father who drives daily - I'd never ask mom's dad who hasn't driven in forty years.
Not a rescue diver, but I was a lifeguard back in the day, and drowning people absolutely will grab hold of you if you get within reach in front of them. One of the first things we learned was to approach from behind if you can. If you can't, then come at them down at foot level, grab them by the knees, and spin them so they face away. Then you can get them in a rescue hold (or, in this case, reach around and unbuckle their weight belt).
I was a lifeguard too. We learned adult CPR, child CPR, infant CPR, water rescue, with swimmer floating face down on top, swimmer submerged, we also learned the heimlich maneuver, etc. We went through intense training, and you did not pass unless you did everything perfectly. One instructor played the drowning diver, flailing, screaming, I dove in to rescue her, and when I got close, her flailing arms punched me in the face! I swam behind her, and did the pull behind, put my arms under her armpits, and locked my arms/hands around her neck, then with her "locked" onto me, swam on my back backwards to the side of the pool. My instructor who was the face down on top of the water, no movement rescue, was a 6 ft. 250 pound guy. I had to do the twisting your body underwater while locked onto him with my arms from behind, to get him turned around, and swam to the side of the pool on my back. We definitely learned about if you see someone floating in the water, and nobody saw what happened, we use the rescue board to strap them onto, using a vice grip to hold their head in place, because they might have broken their neck, etc. I was 16 when I learned all this, and I'm 45 now. I have remembered all of this training.
A lot of people were on top of their game that day. That's all we can hope, is when we're having our worst day, the people around us are having their best one.
These days the odds are actually pretty good I myself am a master diver and have recently begun tech diver training and with quality dive schools being so much more easily accessible and the cost of training coming down to such affordable prices there are a lot more rescue divers, masters divers and dive masters out and about all over the country today then there were 20 or 30 years ago and more divers are pursuing advanced diver and medical training and certification courses now then ever before. So to once again answer your question I think the odds of having highly trained and skilled divers ready to jump into action should an emergency arise is actually fairly high today and that's a good thing that makes our sport safer for everyone all around. The best way to handle an emergency situation is to train to avoid ever getting into an emergency situation in the first place. 👌
Wow... Im not a diver, but i went through a car accident that left me in a coma for a couple months when i was 25, im 41 now. Im grateful and amazed at people that risk themselves to save others, including me. I dont usually get emotional watching stuff like this, but crap, im tearing up rn. What an amazing story. Thank you for learning and teaching how to save others. No matter the context, thats the class of unsung heros in our world. Much love to you 2 gentlemen. 🙏
I been in a car accident too man when i was 22 im 25 now went head on into 2 pretty massive trees at 70 mph i had no seatbelt on and the driver didn't either i ended up in the floorboard and im 250 lbs i braced as hard as i could with my right arm and legs before it happened i think thats the only reason i didn't go through the windshield on that day i was quite lucky tho only broke a rib was able to walk away from the crash the driver passed out at the wheel he had no injuries
@@olesmokey394 Im glad you managed to escape with as little damage as you did. Id call that a low cost lesson. I was an egghead at your age and always required high cost lessons to learn. Of course i dont know the circumstances, and what happened with you, but if nothing else learning the incredible power of speed and metal combined is an important one. I dont remember the crash or a few days before, though i had the couple who called 911, and the fire chief in charge of the rescue tell me what happened. I still have issues from the brain injury and multiple internals i suffered 15+ years later, but the fact im even able to "have issues", is a testament to the couple and the first responders, if the couple wasnt home (i was in a very rural area with 1 house in 3 miles either way, and happened to crash right across from it) or the training of the first responders wasnt what it was, my only issue would be someone cleaning debre from my gravestone... Well wishes in life Bro. Remember the saying "a Smart man learns from his mistakes, while a wise man learns from the mistakes of others" or something to that effect. I did niether in my 20's. I just liked repeating them over and over i guess. Dont be me. It makes for a tough time later on. 🙏
@@wood8715 " Nurses and doctors are angels on earth" - couldn't have put this any better myself. They have my utmost admiration, I don't know how they can go through all of the training and then continually deal with the stress and pressure day in and day out.
As a newer open water diver, this channel is a godsend. I still get butterflies before I go down and going through these stories bit by bit helps me stay calm. Media makes it seem like every dive is flirting with death, but in actuality these famous accidents are more often than not a series of reckless choices combined with bad luck. As long as you are properly trained and practiced, with a group, and follow the “rules” - open water SCUBA is no more dangerous then going skiing on a black diamond run. Even if you do everything wrong, if you’re with the right people you can still persevere in a worst case scenario like this. God bless those rescue divers 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I am just recently rescue certified in PADI, I find these reaction videos really helpful and it definitely solidifies what we were taught! Especially the non-essential details that apply to specific scenarios that may not have been brought up in rescue class. For example Woody's explanation of why to not tilt the head for rescue breaths is really useful to know. And I hadn't thought much about being swung into a rescue without knowing the victims residual nitrogen and therefor heightened embolism risk, not that it changes the rescue procedures anyway. Thanks guys! These reaction vids could help someone's chances of a successful rescue one day.
Again thanks for your channel, I’m learning so much and agree with everything After teaching diving for 17 years I live by my philosophy: the day we think we know everything is the day we should quit the job, that’s my belief, complacency, becomes triggers, becomes an accident and with diving it’s unforgiving
There is this Swedish case where a young boy were drowning and he was under for 2 hours and 43 minutes. The rescue team did CPR for 5 hours and also had an AED. He was airlifted to the hospital and put into medical induced coma but most believed he was gone. But after almost 6 hours his heart started to beat again and that's nothing but a damn miracle! The cold water slowed down his heart rate and saturation and the brain was preserved by the cold so he survived. He has some minor brain damage but he's up and running and can almost do anything he could before the accident. Pretty amazing!
@@gorillaau definitely more cases around the world. Now I can't remember the medical term for it but still it's damn amazing to get the heart to start beating again after 6 hours and come out of it with minor brain damages.
@@Musiknird Diving reflex, or Diving response, or more formally Mammalian Diving Response? In humans it's triggered when the nostrils fill with water. Obviously icy water helps to slow metabolism. Disclaimer: I'm not medically trained but the above is based on some Google searching.
@@gorillaau no that's not it. Damn it! I'm a former paramedic and right now it feels like I got a stroke because I can't remember the term. I need to go dig up my old literature and search for it. I know it ends with shock and it's a quadruple sound in front of it like _ _ _ _ shock. God damit this is frustrating! I need to go find the literature. I'll be back! It's a super interesting state of the body and very few are lucky to go into this state, that's why you never should stop with CPR until you can do a correct analysis with ECG, EEG and other equipment or a doctor calls it. Or that we in the ambulance can see it with our knowledge and equipment that there is no hope left or the patient is too injured we have the right to call it as well.
I’d like to add one thing if I may as an inexperienced diver. Military dive school teaches us to rescue breath while swimming. I like your debate about running for help vs. rescue breathing. It’s very difficult and you have to be in superior physical shape to rescue breath while finning, but it can be done. It hurts like hell, even when your a stud rescue swimmer, but everything we do hurts like hell. That’s just our new reality. It can be done though.
29:33 the rescuers are protected under the "good samaritan law". As long as your actions to assist someone are in good faith and reasonable you are protected from being sued, and from prosecution from events related to the rescue. Even if your attempts to rescue causes injury or death to the person being rescued. The "good samaritan law" does not apply to paid medical professionals. So if you're a doctor, nurse, paid paramedic you can definitely be sued and or prosecuted. This law was passed in 2000 not sure when this incident took place though.
One clarification on medical professionals and Good Samaritan laws. They are protected by them provided that they didn’t have a pre-existing duty to care for the patient. Meaning it wasn’t someone already in their care, they weren’t taking call for that patient’s primary provider, and they didn’t have some other contractual obligation to provide care. A health care professional has as much protection under Good Samaritan laws as anyone else if they happen upon an accident, witness a cardiac arrest while out to dinner, or if they are volunteering as a sports coach. Another thing to remember for everyone is that Good Samaritan laws only protect you if you stay until qualified professionals arrive to provide assistance.
@@IsaRican810 Legally speaking, "Those who put themselves forward to attend emergency situations in a medical capacity accept a _duty to act. Breach of duty to act_ occurs when a professional fails to perform to an appropriate standard." This can be the basis for claim of medical negligence.
As a former naval special operator I can assure you it is possible to utilize a regulator that's free flowing. We had to practice it multitudes of times. Another thing when I learned how to buddy breathe we didn't have octopus regulators. That gives you an idea of how old I am. We had to use the primary for everything.
In starting to wonder if I need to update my training because I learnt to dive 20 years ago, and we did free flowing regulator breathing (in case it got stuck OR the mouthpiece got ripped off) and we also did two different buddy breathing drills, and now apparently these are super out dated??
Hey guys. Paramedic here. My main comment about your rescue training: it would be beneficial to team up with a physician who would be comfortable with prescribing BVMs (bag valve masks) along with the bag devices to attach them to with which you can deliver positive pressure ventilation. I would suggest the ones with an O2 reservoir, for 2 reasons: 1. Divers can hook their emergency O2 up to it. 2. Paramedics can continue to use it and hook it up to their O2. People would then need training on how to use the device. One of the most important things to know is to squeeze just until you see you chest rise so that you don't overinflate and and pop a lung, which would cause a tension pneumothorax. In a tension pneumo, air enters the lung during inhalation. When the person exhales, air flows out of both the airway passages AND the hole you caused by overinflating. The air flowing out of the hole goes into the space between the outside of the lung and the inside of the chest wall. Because there isn't a hole in the chest wall caused by something like a puncture wound, there is nowhere for the air to escape. With every breath, air accumulates and pushes against the lung, making it hard to breathe. In time, enough air builds up that the lung collapses completely and can't expand due to the air pressure against it. Eventually, the person dies. Sorry for the length. I like to educate people on the WHYs of what they're learning. When people don't know WHY something needs to be done, they are more likely to become dismissive about the importance of doing it and over time simply stop doing it. Teaching WHY leads to increased compliance and a greater chance of success.
Man, this was almost so tragic. I have to say this guy that almost died is very brave to still want to get his diving certification after and event that would discourage a lot of people from ever wanting to dive again.
Some will use a near fatality as inspiration and channel it to conquer the world. I'm thinking of a then young women who got on the back of a motorbike of a new boyfriend with a borrowed helmet for her first ride. He stacked the bike and she slide hundreds of feet on the road. Anyway cutting it short, she bought her own motorcycle, got her licence, became a MSF instructor. She is now doing the speaker tours encouraging people to find with proper protective gear.
@@gorillaau yeah I hear you. I'm exactly that kind of person... whatever causes me fear, I go do it until I conquer that fear. Funny you should mention motorcycles. I've had so many friends who have up motorcycles right after their first accident and never rode again. I've be hit by 3 people riding my motorcycle and they think I'm crazy for still wanting to ride, but to enjoy life you can't live in fear of doing the things you like or love... you do just have to be careful and like this channel loves to point out... you have to respect the risks, be trained, wear your protective equipment and preferably have friends with you in case something goes wrong they can help you or you can help them.
@@jamal69jackson77 I had a spill in Vietnam, my fingers just instinctively twitched my front brake despite knowing that was absolutely something I should never do. Ended up sliding for what felt like forever, ground the skin off my left leg and arm and missed going off a 30ft drop by inches. I'm a very risk adverse person at the best of times, and have a lot of anxiety. It was an awful experience, but as soon as I realised that I wasn't dead and I had all my limbs, I knew I absolutely had to get back on the horse as soon as I'd healed up, otherwise I'd never do it again. It made me a much more careful rider, and a stickler for wearing the correct equipment and safety checking my bikes. I'm glad I did, as although it's a risky hobby there's something about riding that I find deeply meaningful and gives me a kind of happiness I can't get elsewhere.
@@CaptainSlowbeard Yeah, one has to do what one loves in spite of the inherent risks. We should always try to learn from our mistakes and other's mistakes and try to be as safe as possible. One of my riskiest hobbies used to be riding and racing motorcycles. I've had so many accidents being hit or almost hit by other drivers as well as some pretty harrowing accidents that were my fault, but I always got back to riding... something a lot of people couldn't understand. I don't ride anymore simply because my beautiful motorcycle sat for too long during my militarily deployments and I guess the engine gummed up, the tires rotted, the chain rusted and the electronics went to shit. I still have my motorcycle but it would cost me so much to fix it now and I have other priorities. One day I will do my best to get it running again.
I love this channel. Wow. I came here for the Mr. Ballen reactions and stayed for the quality content. I am absolutely terrified of drowning--it is the single scariest thing I can possibly imagine--and as such, the idea of diving in any form has always been SO scary to me, but watching your videos is making it much less frightening and I am learning so much! Thank you!
I can say with almost 100% certainty there’s no way they wouldn’t be in dry suits. I live right on the Puget Sound. I’ll see divers go out on a near daily basis. Not once in 25 years have I ever seen someone attempt a wet suit dive in these waters, it’s just far too cold year round.
As a scuba diver who frequently dives in the Puget Sound, I often see divers in wet suits. Yes, of course there are more people in drysuits, but it's not actually that uncommon (especially if you frequent areas where there are a lot of certification classes to see a number of people diving in wetsuits). A drysuit is exponentially more difficult to learn to dive in than a wet suit, and honestly it's not that cold if you are in a farmer john (especially in the summer, when the water is around 54 degrees).
I’m a nurse, used to be a lifeguard (beach and pool), and recreational diver. Finding a hard surface to perform chest compressions is best. The heart is a pump and compressions act as a manual way to pump the blood around the body(past the lungs for oxygen then to the body - brain, muscles, organs). For drownings or where water has been introduced into the lungs rescue breaths are extremely helpful. There’s a thing called secondary drowning where the water on the lungs can destroy the small sacs that transfers the oxygen to the blood. Anything from drowning, infections, pneumonia or low oxygen (hypoxia) can cause brain issues. Safety first. Always dive with a buddy or dive master or instructor when you don’t know the area or are inexperienced. I haven’t dived for a while and will be doing a refresher in summer. I love this channel. I would love to be a rescue diver one day. A spinal board can be used to get the patient onto a boat.
As a former paramedic I can say you correct. It's also to make an assessment of the patient to get info if he has any health problems, on any medication and to prepare the best treatment possible.
@@redmudpei Exactly. The more you can dismiss/exclude not being relevant and find the accurate symptoms, the easier it will be for the paramedics, nurses and doctors to provide the right treatment and increase the survival rate. That could be really hard sometimes as a paramedic to sift the information from friends, relatives, colleagues etc and find the relevant pieces that match with the symptoms can be tough. Though when accurate information is provided it's gold!
I did my PADI training (green to open water certified) in 1991 over 3-4 gruelling days. It was a great experience and only happened because my girlfriends brother was an instructor and offered to teach me whilst visiting her family for the first time in Denmark. Lots of swimming pool time in a wetsuit and finishing off the coast of Denmark in a dry suit in 5-10 degree C water. He made me practice swapping (sharing) a regulator a lot. I even experienced holding a purged regulator below my face and breathing via rising bubbles (which is a weird experience and does work!). Plus many ‘throw and recover your regulator’ drills. It was a really great experience, and I felt totally safe when in the sea. But although we both started with a full tank, I was consuming mine around 33% faster than a well trained, experienced diver. It’s a shame as it cut the dive short, but was another worthwhile lesson. Calm breaths! On the topic of rescue breaths, I was trained in the UK by St John’s Ambulance. They said the likelihood of CPR bringing someone back alone is super rare, but getting air into a patient via mouth-to-mouth is vital. That said, I was also taught if you are alone, get help first, as CPR is very tiring after a few minutes.
She’s 100% correct, she should have never taken him down, he was completely untrained, and it definitely didn’t have the skills/knowledge to take an unskilled diver down. Especially as she not only took him to deep, but she never checked his air until it was too late.
He was an uncertified diver who was put into a dry suit and taken down to 75 feet but a barely certified diver with zero rescue skills…I was blown away with the outcome!
@@DIVETALK yeah, thankfully he survived, but had he died, I suspect she might have been charged with negligence for his death. I mean on one hand that seems a bit extreme, but it’s clearly negligence. When I was first certified in, oh gee around 1980, they made not taking uncertified divers down, or even lending them your gear. In fact back then, at least in my State, you needed to show your certification to even get a SCUBA tank filled.
I remember watching this show (and this episode I think) as a kid. My mom must have too because when I told her I wanted to learn to dive at around 12 years old or so, it was a complete no-go. I got certified when I was around 22 years old and she freaked out on me!!! HAHAHA I haven’t been diving in a few years, but this channel has inspired me to get back in the water. Going to do my next dive in a couple weeks! Then on to rebreather/cave training!🤣 Thanks for costing me my next $10k in training and equipment…jerks!🤣
@@paulzuel3417 🤣 brother that’s the reason I’ve been petrified for so long is because of jaws once you’re in your mind doesn’t play tricks on you as you focus on the beauty of it all! But like Woody and Gus always say “know your limits!” Do what’s comfortable for you! 😉
Don't twist the casualty's head, rotate the diver's torso and head towards you whilst maintaining the airway. This also saves the energy you might waste in "climbing" the casualty i.e. lifting your head and shoulders out of the water to reach the casualty's mouth with yours. Also, by not "climbing" you avoid forcing the casualty's face underwater with your weight. Dr Simon Mitchell at al published a paper on rescue breaths for diving drowning casualties and the conclusion is that it is definitely worthwhile to concentrate on those breaths immediately on surfacing rather than attempting to tow a casualty somewhere.
I would totally pay for a joint class with you guys. That would be amazing. Even though I am terrified of scuba I think I would be able to handle it because you are so knowledgeable.
Awe thank you...several people have reached out asking whether we would be open to teach them how to dive and the answer is Yes! We are not full time instructors but we do teach from time to time, Woody teaches way more than me, I only teach about once a quarter, but we are available for classes. I hope you get certified! Whether it's with one of us or not, it doesn't matter, we want everyone to experience the beauty of the underwater world.
Omg yes! Gus & Woody? Sign me up please! ( should you two ever decide to do this lol) seriously you guys are the BEST! Much love from a Red Cross national disaster relief volunteer! ❤️
@@DIVETALK I have been diving several times,"uncertified", I bought all my gear used from friends. Basically just to see if I would like it. I have never gone below 30 feet but absolutely love it, the feeling of quiet solitude and swimming with the fish is amazing. I have not gone for a few years but now my sister and her daughter are getting into it and getting certified. I'm definitely looking forward to getting back into it and getting my certification as well. New sub here, thanks for the great videos, everyone should experience this!
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I really like your channel and find it entertaining. I am a certified CCR Cave diver diving mostly in cold mines in Sweden so we do have a different perspective. I am also an active PADI MSDT. Several times I have wanted to comment, but did not do it because I assume the comments are already in somewhere, since you have 927 comments to date but here are my two cents: 1. The main reason for leaving your primary is simple. You know it works. As simple as that. You just took a breath from it. You give a second stage you know for a fact works to a panicked diver, and after that, you are fixing your octo/backup. 2. A second stage without a mouthpiece will not free flow and will work just fine, just a bit uncomfy. I teach this skill to the ones who want to try this during OW when all other skills are completed, because a loose mouthpiece is that uncommon that people might think. All the best to you and keep going strong with your channel!
New divers can blow through their air by filling and dumping their bc over and over, and by breathing rapidly (excited). MISTAKE: The experienced diver should have checked the new diver's air at least once or twice during the dive. And she should have motioned to him to check his air (as a new diver), teaching him to make a habit of checking, especially near the end of the dive.
I recently did my open water in Puget Sound, and we never bothered with regulator recovery. We were taught with long hose/necklace and were trained to donate primary and then go for our secondary, which is on a necklace and always easy to find. Having the regulator grabbed out of our mouth was given as one of the reasons for this configuration
I am an open water diver leery of cave diving because it is extremely dangerous. However, after reading the non-diver comments on the original video I recognize the fear born of ignorance exactly parallels my own. Both open water diving and cave diving have an inherent degree of danger but with proper training and the right equipment the risks are manageable. It’s only extremely dangerous when people exceed the limits of their skill, training, and equipment.
I’m only 10 mins in and I’m thankful the show is called Rescue 911 because we know they made it, but sitting at the bottom of the water with no air and no way to get up. This is like stuff nightmares are made of. 😢😢
I drown when I was about 4 years old. My uncle saved me by rescue breathing. I think it works sometimes when the victim has just drown and the breaths are given in those first couple of minutes
I dove the sound regularly and finding the diver was a miracle. It is a beautiful place to explore but it does have risks. I have been diving in Washington, Germany, Spain and Jamaica. I was told that because I learned in Washington, I could dive anywhere. There is truth to that but a good diver is always learning.
The main reason that we, as paramedics, need to speak with the dive buddy is for the obtaining of information. We need to know total down time but, most importantly, depth!!! Please know and remember that every hospital does not have a hyperbaric chamber! It is a specialty, with specialty nursing staff and physicians in barotrauma and the different types of dive emergencies. As a MSD, I don’t think I would ever take a non certified diver on a dive. Discover Scuba Diving classes here in the Midwest, (Chicago, IL) are generally done in the pool.
With all due respect to Greg and of course to Gus and Woody, "She didn't kill him," according to Woody. "I can't blame Rita for what happened to us," according to Greg. However, I truly and genuinely don't understand how this could be anyone else's fault. It was no accident, it was exclusively her choice to put an unknowledgeable diver into an extremely dangerous situation they were NOT prepared for. Yes, he did want to go, but he was also a child. This reminds me a lot of that Eagle's Nest tragedy where that father took his NOT-EVEN-DIVE-CERTIFIED SON with him into the cave on Christmas, and they both terribly lost their lives. Except in this instance Greg got miraculously lucky. This incident is 100% Rita's fault in my opinion. She wasn't certified to teach him anything to make him ready and able to safely dive 75 feet for his FIRST dive. Rita said she taught him what she remembered, which probably wasn't even half of her class. No wonder Rita didn't know what to tell Greg's parents if he died, what would you tell the parents of somebody that died because of your negligence? Just so utterly irresponsible it's physically painful. People like Rita who don't respect nature enough to KNOW how important proper training is need a REAL good education. Because that's what it comes down to in my opinion, either arrogance or a massive disrespect for nature in thinking that anyone can handle such an inhospitable environment WITHOUT proper training and equipment. Thanks for the video as always, it was awesome! It's important that stories like this get told so that people, from laymen to professional divers, recognize that without proper training and equipment for a dive, they shouldn't be doing that dive. You guys are literally saving lives by educating people. Massive kudos. ♥
Man, I gotta wonder if PADI Rescue Diver Exercise 10 is actually based on this. Because its identical and literally the last scenario you do before certification. I mean everything we learned in Rescue is touched on in this one….another gold one. Never thought I’d see Woody so quiet :D
I was so glad they rescued him and he lived. I've done hundreds of dives and I have taken part in a couple of rescues (1 lost fin at 30 metres, 1 jellfish sting to the face) but no formal rescue training but made me want to sign up for rescue dive training.
I can live without being a diver - not so sure I can live without these guys and their channel tho. Everything from the sad/tragic/intense videos - to the ones where you both are laughing your heads off due to the faux pas that other divers make - and you can both give a detailed back story. My new hobby is learning all things dive, vicariously through you both at a safe distance of my smartphone screen 👀👌🏻🤿😁💯
"... and then grabbed my regulator out of my mouth..." And that's the reason why I, a greenhorn diver with about just 100 dives logged, changed 10 dives ago to a regs configuration with a long hose as primary and the second regulator hunging below my chin with a bungee... and learned and practiced how to use it properly. No more yellow octopuses, be sure of that.
As a former Paramedic we need to know what happened exactly to know what treatment to give. He he was breathing theres no need to do chest compressions, but he would need to have 100% O2.
I actually had to spend 16 hours in a hyperbaric chamber (2 x 8 hour sessions) in London and the chamber was large enough to contain me, a nurse, and about 4 members of the London Irish Rugby team. To be fair, it’s essentially THE chamber for London, or was at the time. Funnily enough, it was for the exact reason this recreation video made me so nervous. I got bent from a rapid ascent from 18 meters (I know) whilst I was playing the drowning victim…IN A RESCUE COURSE. I’m sure they did everything very safely and had planned carefully for the filming, but I can really clearly remember the rescue students dumping my weights and even ankle weights, slamming air in to my bc and sending me rocketing to the top feet first during what should have been a controlled scenario.
So glad I fell upon this channel, been binge watching all day. Very entertaining, you guys are so knowledgeable with lots of common sense info. Keep up the great work!
That was unbelievable....I got a little emotional watching that, seeing how important it is to have training as you guys always talk about. I would absolutely never dive without proper training. I've done alot of snorkeling in Florida, with some free diving to about 10ft, and I had some eerie experiences doing...being taken out by rip current once, I ended up about 100 yards from shore, with just snorkel, it was a little sketchy, but I calmed myself and swam to shore slowly..... You guys are true professionals and I love watching your channel.
Why is everyone talking about freeflow? They were talking about mouthpiece coming off. Would that result in freeflow? Think I'm gonna try it next time I'm in the pool. I need to change my necklace mouthpiece anyways 🕵️
I've breathed out of a free flowing reg. Made sure to let most of the air just flows past. Scuba is really very safe. Certified by a good instructor, is key. I was a divemaster for a short time, when a friend had a dive shop. To become a divemaster, or higher, being rescue certified was a requirement. Don't know if that has changed. I'm just now an advanced, since divemaster is a professional level, where you pay a membership fee, annually, to an agency (Naui, Padi, etc) which includes liability insurance. Also to stay rescue certified, requires a refresher course every 2 years. In my case, those two levels have long since lapsed.
Feels like 95% of the analysis on this channel could boil down to "Dive within your training." As for his air, I wonder if doing this without experience made him nervous and that made him burn through it fast? Just a hypothesis.
I have to say, that's some good acting. Some of the acting in these reanactment shows is so intense and good... why aren't these actors in the movies lol. I guess some do make it there.
When I did my first 30 meter wreck dive in Hurghada, I saw a guy running out of air when we were at 5 meters for decompression. One of the instructors shared the bottle.
I am a very experienced diver and admit I have ran out of air on a dive. I was diving Blue Corner in Palau some call the number one dive in the world which I do agree. It was beyond comprehension and finished the dive on my wife's long hose (I don't think she breaths & an instructor) at the 15/20 ft level. The dive turned out to be 132 minutes & probably the best dive in my life. I could have made it to the surface w/ no problem but this was once in a life time dive.
You can breath from a free flowing regulator, I did it as part of my PADI instructor course. The trick is to tip your head to the side to give excess air an easy escape route and to use your tongue as a splash guard.
In my PADI class some 35 yrs ago we did not learn to breathe from a free flowing regulator but we were taught to "sip" from a cut air hose free flowing.
I had a very similar experience when i was 19. I was completely untrained and some friends had brought their scuba gear. We were in a river with the deepest part roughly 50 feet or so. We were drinking (really dumb) and taking turns using the scuba. Everyone stayed within a few feet of water, but me thinking I'm super special and awesome (for whatever reason I had an easier time and took to it quickly) decided I wanted to see more. We dove to 40 feet. I was with my friend who was certified but me being new i quickly went through my air. LUCKILY my friend knew exactly what to do when he heard me struggling and passed me his octo immediately. I thought this meant we had plenty more time. He gave me a "thumbs up" which I interpreted as "you good?" so I gave him the thumbs up back... He in fact meant "we are going up". I turned to keep looking around and he started to ascend, a bit too quick because he wanted to hurry. As he did this it ripped the octo straight out of my mouth. I was extremely overweighted and had extremely low air in my tank. At first I didn't panic (I was too dumb to even realize how terrible of situation this really was) and I started to swim up. I was swimming as hard as I could and while I was rising It was not fast enough at all. I can tell you I've never swam that hard in my life. I gave it everything I had (but its pitch black so I'm not really sure how fast I'm actually going up). My lungs are on fire... Every neuron in my brain is screaming to breathe. I am starting to black out when I break the light zone and in my panic think I've hit the surface and take a big deep breath... All water . The next thing I remember is puking/coughing blood/water foamy stuff on the beach with everyone standing around me freaking out. By the grace of god my friend found me before I sank completely to the bottom, dragged me to the beach, and they started CPR. No clue how long I was without air and its pretty fuzzy for me, but I didn't suffer many long term effects. I got a nasty case of pneumonia and bronchitis which put me down for a few weeks but otherwise EXTREMELY lucky. We were with a friends parents, and man. All I could think about was my poor mother getting told I wasn't coming home. DO NOT scuba dive without proper training.
I think the rescue breathes worked because they got to him so soon. Once the heart stops beating tho, i don't think they will be much use. Best to get them to show and do CPR. Love the quick response from those bystanders and divers.
The fact she surfaced by these rescue divers plus everything else warms my heart as a religious person. God, fate, luck, whatever you call it, it was with him that day. ✨️
Medic speaking here. And you probably know this too, but a drowning often is a result of lthe epiglottis slamming shut and there is no water in the lungs. (Mammalian Diving Reflex). Rescue breathing may help in reducing that reflex and allowing them to start breathing on their own again. My opinion, I don't know if there is any research to back this up, but I think I read it 'somewhere'. So, anyway, I believe in doing rescue breathing in this scenario if possible. CPR is of course impossible until in a boat or on solid ground, and they may not need it anyway. If an AED is available, then put on the patches and follow the instructions of the machine. I don't know if CPR training is mandatory for scuba divers but it should be IMHO.
Although I'm not a very experienced diver, I see in this video a good demonstration on why it is safer to take the emergency octopus and not the main regulator. Every equipment configuration may be a little different, but at least a few aspects are key: -First of all, when you grab the emergency unit from someone else you are fixing your problem, not transfering the problem to someone else like this guy did by accident. -The emergency unit should be connected to a longer hose, so that it's easier to share it. Instead, this guy grabs the main regulator, which eventually drops out of his mouth because the hose is too short. -Once it has dropped, he tries to retrieve it but fails. If it was the bright colored emergency unit it would have been easier, even more if it was attached to a similar color hose. But in this case it is a dull main unit, attached to a shorter black hose, in the middle of two divers close to each other. So I think picking up the right unit would have saved them many problems.
This is true, in an equipment configuration designed with an octopus donate it is better to take the octopus rather than the main regulator. However, there are equipment configurations that rely entirely on primary hose donation, such as with the DIR/GUE/Long hose setups. These setups work extremely well and allow for donations in situations where a traditional octopus would not be appropriate or sufficient (such as in enclosed spaces where one diver has to swim in front of the other, while still donating). However, they rely on training and knowledge of your buddies, and your own, equipment to utilise correctly; just like all equipment configurations you may use. The most important part is practicing with your equipment underwater, and performing simulated emergency drills so that in an actual emergency your response is second nature.
@@aarondonaldson7821 The problem is that the diver being rescued is almost certainly panicky and breathing just as hard and fast as his/her lungs can inhale and exhaust air. I always recommend having a pony tank for emergencies such as this.
At 8:45 you mentioned about breathing out of free flowing regulator and I immediately remembered that I actually had that as part of my open water training in DR at Coral Point diving. Instructor Valerio Mancini. He was younger than me and the back packing type of guy at least back then but to this day I’m really appreciative of how serious and thorough he was with my certification training. We went over all the emergency procedures including breathing through the free flowing regulator, I did drink a few gulps of sea water at first but he did make sure I could do that. Of course in a real emergency it’s a lot harder but again I’m really glad I had a serious instructor. Felt like I was passing a BUDS exam to become a Seal! 😂
Even in a class 75 feet is deep! Problems get worse faster down deep and this guy wasn't ready! I remember in my first dive AFTER training I was proud just to get my trim +- a few feet of bouncing at first. The guy probably didn't know what 30 ft/min feels like and he's at 75 feet. That's like landing in a stiff crosswind on your first flight. On another note I'm so in for a joint class! May be we can get Kiss rebreathers to do something and they can use it to market what the training is like with their products.
Men thanks for this dive story. As a frequent watcher of DT and what I learn forensicaly does not trigger my Post Tramatic Stress yet this one did. Sobbed and cryed for 5min. As a retired paramedic and ICU nurse. The fact that the rescue divers were wel trained and the zodiac vane along when it did made the difference for this young man. Of note Gus we rea rescue breathing at 2 quick. Breaths/5 sec these pts of salt h20 drowning have very hi co2 and low pao2 they need to be ventilated at 30 or better breatha per minit. To hold your breath for 3 min and then only get 2 stacked breaths than wait to count of 5 is not enough. I believe my ptsi was triggered so much is that this had such a good outcome when most of these desperate measures are of no avail. Please consider teaching fast and full breaths on an emergency of no effective breathing till the person is awake and controlling their own airway. When they are making weak attempts assist their attempt with deep full breaths. I love your videos
Thankyou Woody and Gus. As a first aider, with 41 years experience of varying incidents, thankyou so very much for mentioning the possibility of psychological damage. First aid flashbacks are horrible, as they all are, thankyou for raising the psych aspect of helping.
Yeah. I always recommend people to practice that skill with their buddy during their Safety stop, make it a 4 or 5 minute stop, do the first 3 minutes and then practice for a minute or two with your buddy, you don’t have to do it all the time but even once every 6 months helps.
I got my Open Water with Padi last year. We still had to learn how to buddy breath! But we also did 10 dives during the course and looked at some extra stuff anyways so maybe that was just my instructors being extra cautious...
It is taught! I was taught that in my PADI open waterclass just 3 years ago… and yes I know, PADI isn’t that good on the technical side of diving, but I feel like for their Basic OW class it’s pretty decent and thorough
The paramedics have already figured out he's drowned. They need VERY limited history from her. Paramedics don't care for amateur diagnoses. However, he's not carrying a wallet in his dive suit so they need her to identify him and let them know if he has any history like allergies to medications, etc.
From a medical side ems don't care about alot of things. Speaking to the dive buddy allows ems ask questions like 1. How long ago did you loose sight of him. 2.How long has it been since you saw him take his last breath on air. 3. Then was CPR done or rescue breaths at any time. 4. How long from the start of the rescue breaths till he responded and tried breathing on his own. After that is the how far down were you, how long were you down there. Drs don't care about the story just the facts first so treatment can be accurate and quick. They may ask a couple days later about the whole story but generally they don't like to muddy up facts with a story they leave it to the police if anything is filed. Love y'all's videos keep it up!
Based on the script, he wasn't certified. The woman "We'd gone out the weekend before and done a lot of practice. We went through everything I could think of that I'd gone through with my certification." The man: "Greg had such a great dive his first dive, we weren't that concerned about his certification."
I did my rescue course two months ago. In regards to rescue breaths: as Woody said there is debate on what's best, but my teaching was to try breaths only if it's flat water (i.e. a lake, not open water), and only for 20-30 seconds before trying to get to land. Potentially giving more breaths every minute. But really, in my opinion, even the slightest amount of waves makes it near impossible, and any water that goes in is worse for them. Just get them to land. I disagree with woody to try for 5-7mins, that could be the difference between them dying if you wait 5mins before getting them to land where you can render proper assistance. Obviously it all depends on the circumstances, if you're on a boat a long way from shore potentially there isn't any chance of help coming anyway. The reason the paramedics want to speak to the buddy is they need details of what happened: how deep they were diving, for how long, what caused the incident (was it a venomous animal?) etc. That will tell the paramedics what they need to do, how soon they need to get them to a hyperbaric chamber, whether they need to treat a wound or something else that caused the incident etc. While I wouldn't think to sue anyone, I definitely think they shouldn't have considered taking someone who has never dived before underwater off a boat dive with a dry suit on. That's not so much a freak accident as it is an accident waiting to happen. So many things can go wrong.
I never teach doing rescue breaths after 30 seconds. If you have failed to clear the airway by then, you are wasting time trying to give rescue breaths inwater. Better get them out of the water ASAP to start chest compressions. Every minute you waste giving RB, you lose 10% survival chance if there is no pulse or heartbeat.
Oh wow! U gotta be kidding me! Woody hasn't stopped the video 10x in the first 2 minutes to comment! Thats crazy! 🤣🤣🤣 Lol I'm just playing. I love this channel, and I feel like I learn something new in every video. Especially when Woody & Gus do these reaction videos. Keep em coming fellas!
When someone like Edd is speaking there is no need for me to speak. Nothing I can add of value so I let him flow. :) Woody But I’ll be stopping 10 times per minute very soon again. Ha
((speaking from a 5th grader point of view USA 2002 almost certified diver)) I remembered training to dive in my swimming pool in South Florida when my diving instructor cut off my oxygen tank as a diving example (to simulate what it would feel like if your oxygen would run out) . I stood up in the swimming pool of 4 or 5 ft. of water thinking I was going to die from lack of oxygen coming from the tank. I was trained for the time period still thinking I was going to die. Now almost 20 yrs. later I want to have my dive certification to go on mediocre dives .
I love your videos! I am not a diver and don’t know if I ever could be, but I have learned so much from watching in the past few days. Would you ever consider reacting to the rescue of the soccer team from Tham Luang cave? It was such an impressive operation and the technical ability of those divers is incredible. I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions on that rescue. Thanks for the amazing content! If I ever get over my fear of deep water, I’ll come to you guys for dive training.
This reminds me of a cave dive at Ginnie Springs. My buddy and I were just passing the lips. He came to me and signaled out of air. My first thought was “are you kidding”. I passed him my octopus. He started to breathe from the octopus. Suddenly, he rips my regulator out of my mouth. Long story short, we got situated. He gave me back my regulator and started to breathe from my octopus. On the surface I asked why you grabbed my reg. He said he couldn’t breathe off the octopus. He than realized when I gave him my octopus, he put it in his mouth inverted. If the reg is upside-down it doesn’t work. Yes, we did learn this in our cave certification. This was a valuable lesson learned. Also, he ran out of air because his isolation valve was closed, and this was our second dive of the day.
This is important information because they teach you to make sure the octopus is right side up but they don’t explain that it doesn’t work if it’s not. Thanks!
@@brendasanchez4160 that’s why I used a Poseidon Xstream as my alternate to pass to my buddy because the last thing I need is to worry about whether the regulator is the right side up on an emergency
I was a Puget Sound diver back in the day and can attest to the poor visibility and cold water temperatures in this area. Almost no one dives without a dry suit, and it's a rare day at the park when you've got decent viz. Depending on where you dive, there can be virtually no slack tide (e.g., Tacoma Narrows) to relatively calm water at Hoodsport. It's a recipe for certain disaster to dive here without certification; this is probably not the best place for an Adventures in Scuba experience!
This channel is awesome. I'm not a diver, but the expertise that you guys have keeps me drawn in. I remember you guys mentioning that Woody had a good "oh shit" moment as an instructor, you should totally make a video on that!
This is a solid example of why we train all students at every level, even basic, to use a long hose configuration, and to pass the long hose (primary). This has been studied extensively, and there’s a real, established psychology behind passing the primary in a panic situation. People who panic are not actually “thinking”, and they will not see your secondary (or that stupid yellow colored “octo” in common recreational setups). The only thing they will see is the regulator in your mouth, and in their mind-which is running on instinct at this point-they are only capable of understanding that the regulator in your mouth works and has air, so they will immediately go right for that. Training divers to use a long hose as their “primary”, and to pass that off in an emergency-reserving their short hose (secondary) for themselves-gives the panicking diver exactly what they want, and allows you the ability to gain control the situation.
I'm a medical professional (and recreational diver) and I wanted to address the rescue breaths issue. First: If you twist the head, you risk closing the airway. That's why you are supposed to keep someone in a "sniffing" position. Second: The debate about rescue breathing is when you don't know what has caused their issue. In this case, you *know* this guy was drowned. He did not have a cardiac event, the *only* reason his heart stopped was because he had stopped breathing. In those limited situations, rescue breathing is absolutely going to save their life and a defibrillator would likely do nothing.
If you don't know *why* the person has gotten into trouble (and often with older divers) there's a cardiac issue underlying that has caused the issue. If there is a cardiac cause for the "collapse", a defibrillator is the only thing that is going to save those people. Rescue breathing is going to slow you down.
They need the buddy to have information about the person who has been injured - does he have allergies? Does he have other conditions? How long was he down? How old is he? What's his name? (those help when assessing consciousness and addressing the person)
So - if you *know* it is a drowning situation like this, where they were out of air, and the out of air is what has caused the issue, then absolutely try and do rescue breaths and rescue breaths *can* bring back circulation and heart function. You do want to be able to do some chest compressions to help push liquid out of the lungs, but rescue breaths can save lives.
I work with babies and unlike big people their codes are almost always due to respiratory failure, and we almost never need a defibrillator.
Also, you'll want to make sure that the dive partner has not been through similar issues and is not a potential patient. Big thing that many people overlook.
It's the same in veterinary medicine as pediatrics. Respiratory failure almost always precedes cardiac failure in dogs and cats.
Was going to say, nurse here, rescue breaths essential in a situation where you know someone has been without air. What I wanted to ask, though, is is there anything you can do if a boat is not available and you need to do chest compressions? Are there any options, Dr.?
Also, I noted Gus was surprised about the HBOT set up. I take it this is an old video because being an old girl I assumed all baro chambers were set up and staffed this way until I say Woody looking for all the world like a giant baby in a fancy clear mini chamber like a SCBU incubator 😂 at California's Naval base (I believe)
Interesting reading. Thanks.
@@annabizaro-doo-dah med student here, so not quite a Dr, but am rescue diver and emergency oxygen certified. At this time there is no certified way to perform any sort of chest compressions whilst in the water. chest compressions can only be currently performed on a solid surface (land, boat, etc).
Your focus with rescue breaths is to try 1. get rid of water in lungs, 2. potentially restart spontaneous breathing by getting oxygen into the lungs, and 3. GET TO A SAFE PLACE
when moving with a non-breathing patient, your aim should be to perform rescue breaths whilst pulling/pushing the patient to a safe area to perform a full primary assessment and BLS if needed. If there's no safe place anywhere (e.g. stranded in the middle of the ocean waiting on a boat) there's not much you can do apart from rescue breaths and keeping the airway open.
please feel free to correct if i'm wrong on any of this, but this is what i was taught when doing my certification at the time.
my fifth dive after getting certified my dive buddy kicked my regulator out of my mouth and my mask off. I didn't panic, I did exactly as my training taught me to do and I recovered and had a great dive. Training over and over is the only way to get proficient and stay calm in unexpected scenarios.
Awesome!
Wow was that hard not to panic? Because I would swing right up on panic mode.
@@JuanGarcia-or2ty The key word: training. As the OP said, you practice these things over and over so that the sensation doesn’t surprise you. It’s something you’ve done many times before, so it’s easy to do again.
This also applies to white water kayaking and finding yourself in a gun fight.
Man I got a story lol. My first deep dive. I only had a few dives under my belt at this time. A wreck at about 110 feet. We made a stop about 30 feet down. The current was so powerful underwater we had to hold on to a line they set up for us to descend me being me. I was messing around while we waited on the line and let go of the line. I swam in place kicking at a pretty good clip remaining stationary. Was pretty funny. I was totally comfortable. Little did I realize I was setting myself up for what could have been a serious problem for more panicky people. When I got to the bottom about 110 feet my oxygen demand was outpacing the regulator because of my stunt earlier. I started blacking out a little bit so I kneeled down on the sea floor and closed my eyes. Sat still for about a good 30 seconds. My instructor was giving me signals like dude are you good. I just told him to wait. About a minute later I was 100. But man for a second there it could have been bad. You can’t just swim to the surface at this depth. Lesson I lived to learn. Always pace yourself. Slow is fast
75ft, poor visibility and first dive? That's incredibly irresponsible.
This was indeed the rule that was broken. Discover Scuba are max 40ft. New divers may have very high air consumption, and will run out of air faster. 2nd rule broken is that the buddy should have checked the air tank pressure of the new diver often. But this is an old incident and at that time they may have had different rules
@@AdrianCorduneanu she wasn't a dive master nor a instructor so she shouldn't have brought him at all. Nothing infuriates me more than reckless diving. She isn't trained for it and he's not certified. You can't stop people from making stupid decisions like that they go diving without proper training, but in this case it was preventable. I'm happy both survived though and the guy going for a course.
Lol totally agree, not smar t
Jfc I can’t believe people think it’s ok to do these dives with like no experience
actually, its foolish. Something a person severely lacking in good judgement (wisdom) would do. Even at peak fitness, age, health I wouldnt have considered it.
Mom started by saying she taught her son everything she remembered from when she was certified.. this says to me that not only did this boy have no certification, but he was taught by someone who some number of years ago vaguely remembers what she learned her lesson.. and they all thought that this was a safe practice. I don't get it at all
Agree
Years back I went diving in a quarry and an idiot in a dry suit was taking his uncertified (no training at all) younger brother into the water for some “try it out lessons”.
@@mlm32809 jeez... I think "resort certifications" give people a false sense that anybody can scuba dive with little to no training "on the fly".
Shockingly irresponsible.
My relative's friend learned driving at the grandparents' farm, in the countryside, except gramps had to drive an automobile almost daily in city, countryside and cross country environment. I myself started learning driving from my father who drives daily - I'd never ask mom's dad who hasn't driven in forty years.
Not a rescue diver, but I was a lifeguard back in the day, and drowning people absolutely will grab hold of you if you get within reach in front of them. One of the first things we learned was to approach from behind if you can. If you can't, then come at them down at foot level, grab them by the knees, and spin them so they face away. Then you can get them in a rescue hold (or, in this case, reach around and unbuckle their weight belt).
Yep exactly. Good post.
I was a lifeguard too. We learned adult CPR, child CPR, infant CPR, water rescue, with swimmer floating face down on top, swimmer submerged, we also learned the heimlich maneuver, etc. We went through intense training, and you did not pass unless you did everything perfectly. One instructor played the drowning diver, flailing, screaming, I dove in to rescue her, and when I got close, her flailing arms punched me in the face! I swam behind her, and did the pull behind, put my arms under her armpits, and locked my arms/hands around her neck, then with her "locked" onto me, swam on my back backwards to the side of the pool. My instructor who was the face down on top of the water, no movement rescue, was a 6 ft. 250 pound guy. I had to do the twisting your body underwater while locked onto him with my arms from behind, to get him turned around, and swam to the side of the pool on my back. We definitely learned about if you see someone floating in the water, and nobody saw what happened, we use the rescue board to strap them onto, using a vice grip to hold their head in place, because they might have broken their neck, etc. I was 16 when I learned all this, and I'm 45 now. I have remembered all of this training.
That guy had some angels watching him that day. Shaking their heads at him no doubt.
A lot of people were on top of their game that day.
That's all we can hope, is when we're having our worst day, the people around us are having their best one.
Very true!
Absolutely!
Hope isn’t a strategy
I’m shocked it took me this long to discover this channel, diving terrifies me and I’m glad I can live vicariously through you guys haha
Welcome aboard!
You and me both
same same
Same. I found this channel by accident. Now I’m hooked!
You need to face your fears, its a really enjoyable sport.
what are the chances you have an accident like this, come up, and there are 3 rescue divers already in gear in the water
Amazing indeed.
And a zodiac speedboat that happens to come along
These days the odds are actually pretty good I myself am a master diver and have recently begun tech diver training and with quality dive schools being so much more easily accessible and the cost of training coming down to such affordable prices there are a lot more rescue divers, masters divers and dive masters out and about all over the country today then there were 20 or 30 years ago and more divers are pursuing advanced diver and medical training and certification courses now then ever before.
So to once again answer your question I think the odds of having highly trained and skilled divers ready to jump into action should an emergency arise is actually fairly high today and that's a good thing that makes our sport safer for everyone all around.
The best way to handle an emergency situation is to train to avoid ever getting into an emergency situation in the first place.
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For this lucky guy 100%
Rescue 911 was probably my favorite TV show as a kid.
same :)
With both parents volunteering with EMS it was like religion at my house.
SAME. Good ol' 90s
Same I Miss This Show
We had a similar show in the UK called 999
Wow... Im not a diver, but i went through a car accident that left me in a coma for a couple months when i was 25, im 41 now. Im grateful and amazed at people that risk themselves to save others, including me. I dont usually get emotional watching stuff like this, but crap, im tearing up rn. What an amazing story.
Thank you for learning and teaching how to save others. No matter the context, thats the class of unsung heros in our world. Much love to you 2 gentlemen. 🙏
I been in a car accident too man when i was 22 im 25 now went head on into 2 pretty massive trees at 70 mph i had no seatbelt on and the driver didn't either i ended up in the floorboard and im 250 lbs i braced as hard as i could with my right arm and legs before it happened i think thats the only reason i didn't go through the windshield on that day i was quite lucky tho only broke a rib was able to walk away from the crash the driver passed out at the wheel he had no injuries
@@olesmokey394 Im glad you managed to escape with as little damage as you did. Id call that a low cost lesson. I was an egghead at your age and always required high cost lessons to learn. Of course i dont know the circumstances, and what happened with you, but if nothing else learning the incredible power of speed and metal combined is an important one. I dont remember the crash or a few days before, though i had the couple who called 911, and the fire chief in charge of the rescue tell me what happened. I still have issues from the brain injury and multiple internals i suffered 15+ years later, but the fact im even able to "have issues", is a testament to the couple and the first responders, if the couple wasnt home (i was in a very rural area with 1 house in 3 miles either way, and happened to crash right across from it) or the training of the first responders wasnt what it was, my only issue would be someone cleaning debre from my gravestone... Well wishes in life Bro. Remember the saying "a Smart man learns from his mistakes, while a wise man learns from the mistakes of others" or something to that effect. I did niether in my 20's. I just liked repeating them over and over i guess. Dont be me. It makes for a tough time later on. 🙏
Agree with everything you said and I hope you are ok! Nurses and doctors are angels on earth
@@wood8715 " Nurses and doctors are angels on earth" - couldn't have put this any better myself. They have my utmost admiration, I don't know how they can go through all of the training and then continually deal with the stress and pressure day in and day out.
As a newer open water diver, this channel is a godsend. I still get butterflies before I go down and going through these stories bit by bit helps me stay calm.
Media makes it seem like every dive is flirting with death, but in actuality these famous accidents are more often than not a series of reckless choices combined with bad luck. As long as you are properly trained and practiced, with a group, and follow the “rules” - open water SCUBA is no more dangerous then going skiing on a black diamond run. Even if you do everything wrong, if you’re with the right people you can still persevere in a worst case scenario like this. God bless those rescue divers 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
So glad you are here Lauren!
I am just recently rescue certified in PADI, I find these reaction videos really helpful and it definitely solidifies what we were taught! Especially the non-essential details that apply to specific scenarios that may not have been brought up in rescue class. For example Woody's explanation of why to not tilt the head for rescue breaths is really useful to know. And I hadn't thought much about being swung into a rescue without knowing the victims residual nitrogen and therefor heightened embolism risk, not that it changes the rescue procedures anyway. Thanks guys! These reaction vids could help someone's chances of a successful rescue one day.
Also tilting the head shuts down the airway .
Charlotte i need you to rescue me!!!!
Non-diver here, but as a nurse I love hearing about how diving affects the body and how you counteract those affects. Cool video, thanks!
I'm only 3 mins in and already have anxiety.
Ha yes
I though i had a hair on my screen but it was your profile pic. Nice
Man scree ure avatar photo i was trying to clean it 3 times with my thumb..
@@alexs7097 haha! Sorry for my kinda trollish pp but it makes people laugh so that's why I'm keeping it.
@@josedelrincon787 cheers!
Again thanks for your channel, I’m learning so much and agree with everything
After teaching diving for 17 years I live by my philosophy: the day we think we know everything is the day we should quit the job, that’s my belief, complacency, becomes triggers, becomes an accident and with diving it’s unforgiving
There is this Swedish case where a young boy were drowning and he was under for 2 hours and 43 minutes. The rescue team did CPR for 5 hours and also had an AED. He was airlifted to the hospital and put into medical induced coma but most believed he was gone. But after almost 6 hours his heart started to beat again and that's nothing but a damn miracle! The cold water slowed down his heart rate and saturation and the brain was preserved by the cold so he survived. He has some minor brain damage but he's up and running and can almost do anything he could before the accident. Pretty amazing!
Amazing! Wow!
There has been more than a few of those cases of extended periods without oxygen in icy cold water and coming out better than one would expect.
@@gorillaau definitely more cases around the world. Now I can't remember the medical term for it but still it's damn amazing to get the heart to start beating again after 6 hours and come out of it with minor brain damages.
@@Musiknird Diving reflex, or Diving response, or more formally Mammalian Diving Response? In humans it's triggered when the nostrils fill with water. Obviously icy water helps to slow metabolism.
Disclaimer: I'm not medically trained but the above is based on some Google searching.
@@gorillaau no that's not it. Damn it! I'm a former paramedic and right now it feels like I got a stroke because I can't remember the term. I need to go dig up my old literature and search for it. I know it ends with shock and it's a quadruple sound in front of it like _ _ _ _ shock. God damit this is frustrating! I need to go find the literature. I'll be back! It's a super interesting state of the body and very few are lucky to go into this state, that's why you never should stop with CPR until you can do a correct analysis with ECG, EEG and other equipment or a doctor calls it. Or that we in the ambulance can see it with our knowledge and equipment that there is no hope left or the patient is too injured we have the right to call it as well.
I’d like to add one thing if I may as an inexperienced diver. Military dive school teaches us to rescue breath while swimming. I like your debate about running for help vs. rescue breathing. It’s very difficult and you have to be in superior physical shape to rescue breath while finning, but it can be done. It hurts like hell, even when your a stud rescue swimmer, but everything we do hurts like hell. That’s just our new reality. It can be done though.
29:33 the rescuers are protected under the "good samaritan law". As long as your actions to assist someone are in good faith and reasonable you are protected from being sued, and from prosecution from events related to the rescue. Even if your attempts to rescue causes injury or death to the person being rescued. The "good samaritan law" does not apply to paid medical professionals. So if you're a doctor, nurse, paid paramedic you can definitely be sued and or prosecuted. This law was passed in 2000 not sure when this incident took place though.
It would also depend where you live.
It's in place in Australia for reference.
One clarification on medical professionals and Good Samaritan laws. They are protected by them provided that they didn’t have a pre-existing duty to care for the patient. Meaning it wasn’t someone already in their care, they weren’t taking call for that patient’s primary provider, and they didn’t have some other contractual obligation to provide care. A health care professional has as much protection under Good Samaritan laws as anyone else if they happen upon an accident, witness a cardiac arrest while out to dinner, or if they are volunteering as a sports coach. Another thing to remember for everyone is that Good Samaritan laws only protect you if you stay until qualified professionals arrive to provide assistance.
that law only applies in U.S.A not globally. just saying
@@IsaRican810 Legally speaking, "Those who put themselves forward to attend emergency situations in a medical capacity accept a _duty to act. Breach of duty to act_ occurs when a professional fails to perform to an appropriate standard." This can be the basis for claim of medical negligence.
I never leave home without my attorney, if I dive, he dives
As a former naval special operator I can assure you it is possible to utilize a regulator that's free flowing. We had to practice it multitudes of times. Another thing when I learned how to buddy breathe we didn't have octopus regulators. That gives you an idea of how old I am. We had to use the primary for everything.
In starting to wonder if I need to update my training because I learnt to dive 20 years ago, and we did free flowing regulator breathing (in case it got stuck OR the mouthpiece got ripped off) and we also did two different buddy breathing drills, and now apparently these are super out dated??
Hey guys. Paramedic here. My main comment about your rescue training: it would be beneficial to team up with a physician who would be comfortable with prescribing BVMs (bag valve masks) along with the bag devices to attach them to with which you can deliver positive pressure ventilation.
I would suggest the ones with an O2 reservoir, for 2 reasons: 1. Divers can hook their emergency O2 up to it. 2. Paramedics can continue to use it and hook it up to their O2.
People would then need training on how to use the device. One of the most important things to know is to squeeze just until you see you chest rise so that you don't overinflate and and pop a lung, which would cause a tension pneumothorax.
In a tension pneumo, air enters the lung during inhalation. When the person exhales, air flows out of both the airway passages AND the hole you caused by overinflating.
The air flowing out of the hole goes into the space between the outside of the lung and the inside of the chest wall. Because there isn't a hole in the chest wall caused by something like a puncture wound, there is nowhere for the air to escape. With every breath, air accumulates and pushes against the lung, making it hard to breathe.
In time, enough air builds up that the lung collapses completely and can't expand due to the air pressure against it.
Eventually, the person dies.
Sorry for the length. I like to educate people on the WHYs of what they're learning. When people don't know WHY something needs to be done, they are more likely to become dismissive about the importance of doing it and over time simply stop doing it.
Teaching WHY leads to increased compliance and a greater chance of success.
Man, this was almost so tragic. I have to say this guy that almost died is very brave to still want to get his diving certification after and event that would discourage a lot of people from ever wanting to dive again.
Yeah
Some will use a near fatality as inspiration and channel it to conquer the world. I'm thinking of a then young women who got on the back of a motorbike of a new boyfriend with a borrowed helmet for her first ride. He stacked the bike and she slide hundreds of feet on the road. Anyway cutting it short, she bought her own motorcycle, got her licence, became a MSF instructor. She is now doing the speaker tours encouraging people to find with proper protective gear.
@@gorillaau yeah I hear you. I'm exactly that kind of person... whatever causes me fear, I go do it until I conquer that fear. Funny you should mention motorcycles. I've had so many friends who have up motorcycles right after their first accident and never rode again. I've be hit by 3 people riding my motorcycle and they think I'm crazy for still wanting to ride, but to enjoy life you can't live in fear of doing the things you like or love... you do just have to be careful and like this channel loves to point out... you have to respect the risks, be trained, wear your protective equipment and preferably have friends with you in case something goes wrong they can help you or you can help them.
@@jamal69jackson77 I had a spill in Vietnam, my fingers just instinctively twitched my front brake despite knowing that was absolutely something I should never do. Ended up sliding for what felt like forever, ground the skin off my left leg and arm and missed going off a 30ft drop by inches. I'm a very risk adverse person at the best of times, and have a lot of anxiety. It was an awful experience, but as soon as I realised that I wasn't dead and I had all my limbs, I knew I absolutely had to get back on the horse as soon as I'd healed up, otherwise I'd never do it again. It made me a much more careful rider, and a stickler for wearing the correct equipment and safety checking my bikes. I'm glad I did, as although it's a risky hobby there's something about riding that I find deeply meaningful and gives me a kind of happiness I can't get elsewhere.
@@CaptainSlowbeard Yeah, one has to do what one loves in spite of the inherent risks. We should always try to learn from our mistakes and other's mistakes and try to be as safe as possible. One of my riskiest hobbies used to be riding and racing motorcycles. I've had so many accidents being hit or almost hit by other drivers as well as some pretty harrowing accidents that were my fault, but I always got back to riding... something a lot of people couldn't understand. I don't ride anymore simply because my beautiful motorcycle sat for too long during my militarily deployments and I guess the engine gummed up, the tires rotted, the chain rusted and the electronics went to shit. I still have my motorcycle but it would cost me so much to fix it now and I have other priorities. One day I will do my best to get it running again.
I love this channel. Wow. I came here for the Mr. Ballen reactions and stayed for the quality content. I am absolutely terrified of drowning--it is the single scariest thing I can possibly imagine--and as such, the idea of diving in any form has always been SO scary to me, but watching your videos is making it much less frightening and I am learning so much! Thank you!
I can say with almost 100% certainty there’s no way they wouldn’t be in dry suits. I live right on the Puget Sound. I’ll see divers go out on a near daily basis. Not once in 25 years have I ever seen someone attempt a wet suit dive in these waters, it’s just far too cold year round.
Oh they were for sure in dry suits. You are right on that.
As a scuba diver who frequently dives in the Puget Sound, I often see divers in wet suits. Yes, of course there are more people in drysuits, but it's not actually that uncommon (especially if you frequent areas where there are a lot of certification classes to see a number of people diving in wetsuits). A drysuit is exponentially more difficult to learn to dive in than a wet suit, and honestly it's not that cold if you are in a farmer john (especially in the summer, when the water is around 54 degrees).
You gave me a chalange, if i can ima try and dive with no dry sute over there😂
@@garlandremingtoniii1338 omg i wish thats how it was here we get 110 in the summer for weeks
@@tpthaler i got hypothermea in 60 digree watter when it was raining and thundering on the beach, but i was swimming for a cupple hours
I’m a nurse, used to be a lifeguard (beach and pool), and recreational diver. Finding a hard surface to perform chest compressions is best. The heart is a pump and compressions act as a manual way to pump the blood around the body(past the lungs for oxygen then to the body - brain, muscles, organs). For drownings or where water has been introduced into the lungs rescue breaths are extremely helpful. There’s a thing called secondary drowning where the water on the lungs can destroy the small sacs that transfers the oxygen to the blood. Anything from drowning, infections, pneumonia or low oxygen (hypoxia) can cause brain issues. Safety first. Always dive with a buddy or dive master or instructor when you don’t know the area or are inexperienced. I haven’t dived for a while and will be doing a refresher in summer. I love this channel. I would love to be a rescue diver one day. A spinal board can be used to get the patient onto a boat.
The paramedics usually ask for the dive buddy, to get a full dive profile! It's needed in case of chamber rides and also for basic health questions.
As a former paramedic I can say you correct. It's also to make an assessment of the patient to get info if he has any health problems, on any medication and to prepare the best treatment possible.
@@Musiknird I would guess the cause of the incident would be a big deal - did he have a seizure, allergies, maybe drugs/alcohol, ect.
@@redmudpei Exactly. The more you can dismiss/exclude not being relevant and find the accurate symptoms, the easier it will be for the paramedics, nurses and doctors to provide the right treatment and increase the survival rate. That could be really hard sometimes as a paramedic to sift the information from friends, relatives, colleagues etc and find the relevant pieces that match with the symptoms can be tough. Though when accurate information is provided it's gold!
Also, the buddy might have a bend and need treatment. So you want to assess the buddy as well.
I did my PADI training (green to open water certified) in 1991 over 3-4 gruelling days. It was a great experience and only happened because my girlfriends brother was an instructor and offered to teach me whilst visiting her family for the first time in Denmark. Lots of swimming pool time in a wetsuit and finishing off the coast of Denmark in a dry suit in 5-10 degree C water. He made me practice swapping (sharing) a regulator a lot. I even experienced holding a purged regulator below my face and breathing via rising bubbles (which is a weird experience and does work!). Plus many ‘throw and recover your regulator’ drills. It was a really great experience, and I felt totally safe when in the sea. But although we both started with a full tank, I was consuming mine around 33% faster than a well trained, experienced diver. It’s a shame as it cut the dive short, but was another worthwhile lesson. Calm breaths! On the topic of rescue breaths, I was trained in the UK by St John’s Ambulance. They said the likelihood of CPR bringing someone back alone is super rare, but getting air into a patient via mouth-to-mouth is vital. That said, I was also taught if you are alone, get help first, as CPR is very tiring after a few minutes.
She’s 100% correct, she should have never taken him down, he was completely untrained, and it definitely didn’t have the skills/knowledge to take an unskilled diver down. Especially as she not only took him to deep, but she never checked his air until it was too late.
He was an uncertified diver who was put into a dry suit and taken down to 75 feet but a barely certified diver with zero rescue skills…I was blown away with the outcome!
@@DIVETALK yeah, thankfully he survived, but had he died, I suspect she might have been charged with negligence for his death. I mean on one hand that seems a bit extreme, but it’s clearly negligence. When I was first certified in, oh gee around 1980, they made not taking uncertified divers down, or even lending them your gear. In fact back then, at least in my State, you needed to show your certification to even get a SCUBA tank filled.
I remember watching this show (and this episode I think) as a kid. My mom must have too because when I told her I wanted to learn to dive at around 12 years old or so, it was a complete no-go. I got certified when I was around 22 years old and she freaked out on me!!! HAHAHA
I haven’t been diving in a few years, but this channel has inspired me to get back in the water. Going to do my next dive in a couple weeks! Then on to rebreather/cave training!🤣
Thanks for costing me my next $10k in training and equipment…jerks!🤣
You know it’s going to be an awesome Memorial Day when Gus and Woody show up in your feed!!
Bahahahaha thanks!
Enjoyed this video! I love watching old episodes of rescue 911, glad that they generally depict the correct danger level of the activities involved.
Thanks for the comment and the support.
I dont dive and am lowkey scared of like under water but this channel rocks!
Thank you!
I was the same but did my first dive last week! Loved it! It’s a whole new world underneath us my friend!
@@PX_Kev you are making me wanna dive bro 😂 if I get eaten by a sea monster im blaming you tho
@@paulzuel3417 🤣 brother that’s the reason I’ve been petrified for so long is because of jaws once you’re in your mind doesn’t play tricks on you as you focus on the beauty of it all! But like Woody and Gus always say “know your limits!” Do what’s comfortable for you! 😉
Don't twist the casualty's head, rotate the diver's torso and head towards you whilst maintaining the airway. This also saves the energy you might waste in "climbing" the casualty i.e. lifting your head and shoulders out of the water to reach the casualty's mouth with yours. Also, by not "climbing" you avoid forcing the casualty's face underwater with your weight.
Dr Simon Mitchell at al published a paper on rescue breaths for diving drowning casualties and the conclusion is that it is definitely worthwhile to concentrate on those breaths immediately on surfacing rather than attempting to tow a casualty somewhere.
I would totally pay for a joint class with you guys. That would be amazing. Even though I am terrified of scuba I think I would be able to handle it because you are so knowledgeable.
Awe thank you...several people have reached out asking whether we would be open to teach them how to dive and the answer is Yes! We are not full time instructors but we do teach from time to time, Woody teaches way more than me, I only teach about once a quarter, but we are available for classes. I hope you get certified! Whether it's with one of us or not, it doesn't matter, we want everyone to experience the beauty of the underwater world.
Omg yes! Gus & Woody? Sign me up please! ( should you two ever decide to do this lol) seriously you guys are the BEST! Much love from a Red Cross national disaster relief volunteer! ❤️
And I would pay for a joint and take it to class taught by Woody and Gus!!
@@DIVETALK I have been diving several times,"uncertified", I bought all my gear used from friends. Basically just to see if I would like it. I have never gone below 30 feet but absolutely love it, the feeling of quiet solitude and swimming with the fish is amazing. I have not gone for a few years but now my sister and her daughter are getting into it and getting certified. I'm definitely looking forward to getting back into it and getting my certification as well. New sub here, thanks for the great videos, everyone should experience this!
I really like your channel and find it entertaining. I am a certified CCR Cave diver diving mostly in cold mines in Sweden so we do have a different perspective. I am also an active PADI MSDT. Several times I have wanted to comment, but did not do it because I assume the comments are already in somewhere, since you have 927 comments to date but here are my two cents:
1. The main reason for leaving your primary is simple. You know it works. As simple as that. You just took a breath from it. You give a second stage you know for a fact works to a panicked diver, and after that, you are fixing your octo/backup.
2. A second stage without a mouthpiece will not free flow and will work just fine, just a bit uncomfy. I teach this skill to the ones who want to try this during OW when all other skills are completed, because a loose mouthpiece is that uncommon that people might think.
All the best to you and keep going strong with your channel!
New divers can blow through their air by filling and dumping their bc over and over, and by breathing rapidly (excited).
MISTAKE: The experienced diver should have checked the new diver's air at least once or twice during the dive. And she should have motioned to him to check his air (as a new diver), teaching him to make a habit of checking, especially near the end of the dive.
I recently did my open water in Puget Sound, and we never bothered with regulator recovery. We were taught with long hose/necklace and were trained to donate primary and then go for our secondary, which is on a necklace and always easy to find. Having the regulator grabbed out of our mouth was given as one of the reasons for this configuration
I am an open water diver leery of cave diving because it is extremely dangerous. However, after reading the non-diver comments on the original video I recognize the fear born of ignorance exactly parallels my own. Both open water diving and cave diving have an inherent degree of danger but with proper training and the right equipment the risks are manageable. It’s only extremely dangerous when people exceed the limits of their skill, training, and equipment.
I’m only 10 mins in and I’m thankful the show is called Rescue 911 because we know they made it, but sitting at the bottom of the water with no air and no way to get up. This is like stuff nightmares are made of. 😢😢
This video made me cry. This is an extremely terrifying experience for these people and it really resonates with me.
I drown when I was about 4 years old. My uncle saved me by rescue breathing. I think it works sometimes when the victim has just drown and the breaths are given in those first couple of minutes
I dove the sound regularly and finding the diver was a miracle. It is a beautiful place to explore but it does have risks. I have been diving in Washington, Germany, Spain and Jamaica. I was told that because I learned in Washington, I could dive anywhere. There is truth to that but a good diver is always learning.
The main reason that we, as paramedics, need to speak with the dive buddy is for the obtaining of information. We need to know total down time but, most importantly, depth!!!
Please know and remember that every hospital does not have a hyperbaric chamber! It is a specialty, with specialty nursing staff and physicians in barotrauma and the different types of dive emergencies.
As a MSD, I don’t think I would ever take a non certified diver on a dive. Discover Scuba Diving classes here in the Midwest, (Chicago, IL) are generally done in the pool.
Always! It’s very important to keep it simple and shallow.
With all due respect to Greg and of course to Gus and Woody,
"She didn't kill him," according to Woody. "I can't blame Rita for what happened to us," according to Greg. However, I truly and genuinely don't understand how this could be anyone else's fault. It was no accident, it was exclusively her choice to put an unknowledgeable diver into an extremely dangerous situation they were NOT prepared for. Yes, he did want to go, but he was also a child. This reminds me a lot of that Eagle's Nest tragedy where that father took his NOT-EVEN-DIVE-CERTIFIED SON with him into the cave on Christmas, and they both terribly lost their lives. Except in this instance Greg got miraculously lucky.
This incident is 100% Rita's fault in my opinion. She wasn't certified to teach him anything to make him ready and able to safely dive 75 feet for his FIRST dive. Rita said she taught him what she remembered, which probably wasn't even half of her class. No wonder Rita didn't know what to tell Greg's parents if he died, what would you tell the parents of somebody that died because of your negligence? Just so utterly irresponsible it's physically painful. People like Rita who don't respect nature enough to KNOW how important proper training is need a REAL good education. Because that's what it comes down to in my opinion, either arrogance or a massive disrespect for nature in thinking that anyone can handle such an inhospitable environment WITHOUT proper training and equipment.
Thanks for the video as always, it was awesome! It's important that stories like this get told so that people, from laymen to professional divers, recognize that without proper training and equipment for a dive, they shouldn't be doing that dive. You guys are literally saving lives by educating people. Massive kudos. ♥
I really really appreciate the way you guys explain the technical diving things for us non divers
Wow, it's crazy what panic can do underwater
I’ve never dived, never will, yet I’m addicted to these dive videos. Only thing is that I find myself taking uncomfortable deep breaths throughout!
Man, I gotta wonder if PADI Rescue Diver Exercise 10 is actually based on this. Because its identical and literally the last scenario you do before certification. I mean everything we learned in Rescue is touched on in this one….another gold one. Never thought I’d see Woody so quiet :D
Ha yeah I thought the video explained it well so I didn’t have to talk as much (this time only), lol
@@DIVETALKI still don’t get why he run out of air first… Maybe an air leak? In the video there are bubbles coming from Greg’s tank.
I was so glad they rescued him and he lived. I've done hundreds of dives and I have taken part in a couple of rescues (1 lost fin at 30 metres, 1 jellfish sting to the face) but no formal rescue training but made me want to sign up for rescue dive training.
Miraculous! The only word for this rescue - Greg was meant to live. Great react, Woody and Gus xx
Thanks!
I can live without being a diver - not so sure I can live without these guys and their channel tho. Everything from the sad/tragic/intense videos - to the ones where you both are laughing your heads off due to the faux pas that other divers make - and you can both give a detailed back story. My new hobby is learning all things dive, vicariously through you both at a safe distance of my smartphone screen 👀👌🏻🤿😁💯
"... and then grabbed my regulator out of my mouth..."
And that's the reason why I, a greenhorn diver with about just 100 dives logged, changed 10 dives ago to a regs configuration with a long hose as primary and the second regulator hunging below my chin with a bungee... and learned and practiced how to use it properly. No more yellow octopuses, be sure of that.
As a former Paramedic we need to know what happened exactly to know what treatment to give.
He he was breathing theres no need to do chest compressions, but he would need to have 100% O2.
you can still breath from a second stage without the silicon mouth piece without any problem
Yes, but to a panicked diver that's an additional problem they're often not ready to deal with.
I actually had to spend 16 hours in a hyperbaric chamber (2 x 8 hour sessions) in London and the chamber was large enough to contain me, a nurse, and about 4 members of the London Irish Rugby team. To be fair, it’s essentially THE chamber for London, or was at the time.
Funnily enough, it was for the exact reason this recreation video made me so nervous. I got bent from a rapid ascent from 18 meters (I know) whilst I was playing the drowning victim…IN A RESCUE COURSE. I’m sure they did everything very safely and had planned carefully for the filming, but I can really clearly remember the rescue students dumping my weights and even ankle weights, slamming air in to my bc and sending me rocketing to the top feet first during what should have been a controlled scenario.
So glad I fell upon this channel, been binge watching all day. Very entertaining, you guys are so knowledgeable with lots of common sense info. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for watching!
That was unbelievable....I got a little emotional watching that, seeing how important it is to have training as you guys always talk about. I would absolutely never dive without proper training. I've done alot of snorkeling in Florida, with some free diving to about 10ft, and I had some eerie experiences doing...being taken out by rip current once, I ended up about 100 yards from shore, with just snorkel, it was a little sketchy, but I calmed myself and swam to shore slowly.....
You guys are true professionals and I love watching your channel.
My SSI advanced instructor actually taught us how to breathe on a free flow in the case of a blowout. It’s not fun, but possible
I think I did that in my open water course - is that weird?
@@alexbitzan8747 yea breathe from free flow is covered in PADI OW
Why is everyone talking about freeflow? They were talking about mouthpiece coming off. Would that result in freeflow?
Think I'm gonna try it next time I'm in the pool. I need to change my necklace mouthpiece anyways 🕵️
I've breathed out of a free flowing reg. Made sure to let most of the air just flows past.
Scuba is really very safe. Certified by a good instructor, is key. I was a divemaster for a short time, when a friend had a dive shop. To become a divemaster, or higher, being rescue certified was a requirement. Don't know if that has changed. I'm just now an advanced, since divemaster is a professional level, where you pay a membership fee, annually, to an agency (Naui, Padi, etc) which includes liability insurance. Also to stay rescue certified, requires a refresher course every 2 years. In my case, those two levels have long since lapsed.
I used to dive, enjoyed it very much, not caves just ocean and lakes about 40ft mostly. So I'm enjoying your reaction videos.
Feels like 95% of the analysis on this channel could boil down to "Dive within your training." As for his air, I wonder if doing this without experience made him nervous and that made him burn through it fast? Just a hypothesis.
Good point.
Nerves + being deep = 3x nervous breathing rate...so scary to think about
I have to say, that's some good acting. Some of the acting in these reanactment shows is so intense and good... why aren't these actors in the movies lol. I guess some do make it there.
We weren't that concerned about his certification....we assumed we'd meet up...
When I did my first 30 meter wreck dive in Hurghada, I saw a guy running out of air when we were at 5 meters for decompression. One of the instructors shared the bottle.
I am a very experienced diver and admit I have ran out of air on a dive. I was diving Blue Corner in Palau some call the number one dive in the world which I do agree. It was beyond comprehension and finished the dive on my wife's long hose (I don't think she breaths & an instructor) at the 15/20 ft level. The dive turned out to be 132 minutes & probably the best dive in my life. I could have made it to the surface w/ no problem but this was once in a life time dive.
You can breath from a free flowing regulator, I did it as part of my PADI instructor course. The trick is to tip your head to the side to give excess air an easy escape route and to use your tongue as a splash guard.
Yep very true.
I had same excercise during my OWD course, which was one of funnier ones.
In my PADI class some 35 yrs ago we did not learn to breathe from a free flowing regulator but we were taught to "sip" from a cut air hose free flowing.
I had a very similar experience when i was 19. I was completely untrained and some friends had brought their scuba gear. We were in a river with the deepest part roughly 50 feet or so. We were drinking (really dumb) and taking turns using the scuba. Everyone stayed within a few feet of water, but me thinking I'm super special and awesome (for whatever reason I had an easier time and took to it quickly) decided I wanted to see more. We dove to 40 feet. I was with my friend who was certified but me being new i quickly went through my air. LUCKILY my friend knew exactly what to do when he heard me struggling and passed me his octo immediately. I thought this meant we had plenty more time. He gave me a "thumbs up" which I interpreted as "you good?" so I gave him the thumbs up back... He in fact meant "we are going up". I turned to keep looking around and he started to ascend, a bit too quick because he wanted to hurry. As he did this it ripped the octo straight out of my mouth. I was extremely overweighted and had extremely low air in my tank. At first I didn't panic (I was too dumb to even realize how terrible of situation this really was) and I started to swim up. I was swimming as hard as I could and while I was rising It was not fast enough at all. I can tell you I've never swam that hard in my life. I gave it everything I had (but its pitch black so I'm not really sure how fast I'm actually going up). My lungs are on fire... Every neuron in my brain is screaming to breathe. I am starting to black out when I break the light zone and in my panic think I've hit the surface and take a big deep breath... All water . The next thing I remember is puking/coughing blood/water foamy stuff on the beach with everyone standing around me freaking out. By the grace of god my friend found me before I sank completely to the bottom, dragged me to the beach, and they started CPR. No clue how long I was without air and its pretty fuzzy for me, but I didn't suffer many long term effects. I got a nasty case of pneumonia and bronchitis which put me down for a few weeks but otherwise EXTREMELY lucky. We were with a friends parents, and man. All I could think about was my poor mother getting told I wasn't coming home. DO NOT scuba dive without proper training.
I think the rescue breathes worked because they got to him so soon. Once the heart stops beating tho, i don't think they will be much use. Best to get them to show and do CPR. Love the quick response from those bystanders and divers.
The fact she surfaced by these rescue divers plus everything else warms my heart as a religious person. God, fate, luck, whatever you call it, it was with him that day. ✨️
It would have to be under the threat of death to get me into gear and go diving. Absolutely terrified of it.
Sorry to hear that
@@DIVETALK I commend you guys for having the guts and I love watching your videos. I live vicariously through you both...lol.
@@20TonChop Me too 🙈
But it's an excellent channel and I enjoy watching it. I have already learned a lot and their work is important and correct.
Medic speaking here. And you probably know this too, but a drowning often is a result of lthe epiglottis slamming shut and there is no water in the lungs. (Mammalian Diving Reflex). Rescue breathing may help in reducing that reflex and allowing them to start breathing on their own again. My opinion, I don't know if there is any research to back this up, but I think I read it 'somewhere'. So, anyway, I believe in doing rescue breathing in this scenario if possible. CPR is of course impossible until in a boat or on solid ground, and they may not need it anyway. If an AED is available, then put on the patches and follow the instructions of the machine. I don't know if CPR training is mandatory for scuba divers but it should be IMHO.
Although I'm not a very experienced diver, I see in this video a good demonstration on why it is safer to take the emergency octopus and not the main regulator. Every equipment configuration may be a little different, but at least a few aspects are key:
-First of all, when you grab the emergency unit from someone else you are fixing your problem, not transfering the problem to someone else like this guy did by accident.
-The emergency unit should be connected to a longer hose, so that it's easier to share it. Instead, this guy grabs the main regulator, which eventually drops out of his mouth because the hose is too short.
-Once it has dropped, he tries to retrieve it but fails. If it was the bright colored emergency unit it would have been easier, even more if it was attached to a similar color hose. But in this case it is a dull main unit, attached to a shorter black hose, in the middle of two divers close to each other.
So I think picking up the right unit would have saved them many problems.
This is true, in an equipment configuration designed with an octopus donate it is better to take the octopus rather than the main regulator. However, there are equipment configurations that rely entirely on primary hose donation, such as with the DIR/GUE/Long hose setups.
These setups work extremely well and allow for donations in situations where a traditional octopus would not be appropriate or sufficient (such as in enclosed spaces where one diver has to swim in front of the other, while still donating). However, they rely on training and knowledge of your buddies, and your own, equipment to utilise correctly; just like all equipment configurations you may use.
The most important part is practicing with your equipment underwater, and performing simulated emergency drills so that in an actual emergency your response is second nature.
@@aarondonaldson7821 The problem is that the diver being rescued is almost certainly panicky and breathing just as hard and fast as his/her lungs can inhale and exhaust air. I always recommend having a pony tank for emergencies such as this.
At 8:45 you mentioned about breathing out of free flowing regulator and I immediately remembered that I actually had that as part of my open water training in DR at Coral Point diving. Instructor Valerio Mancini. He was younger than me and the back packing type of guy at least back then but to this day I’m really appreciative of how serious and thorough he was with my certification training.
We went over all the emergency procedures including breathing through the free flowing regulator, I did drink a few gulps of sea water at first but he did make sure I could do that.
Of course in a real emergency it’s a lot harder but again I’m really glad I had a serious instructor. Felt like I was passing a BUDS exam to become a Seal! 😂
Even in a class 75 feet is deep! Problems get worse faster down deep and this guy wasn't ready! I remember in my first dive AFTER training I was proud just to get my trim +- a few feet of bouncing at first. The guy probably didn't know what 30 ft/min feels like and he's at 75 feet. That's like landing in a stiff crosswind on your first flight.
On another note I'm so in for a joint class! May be we can get Kiss rebreathers to do something and they can use it to market what the training is like with their products.
That would be really fun. Good info also, thanks.
Men thanks for this dive story. As a frequent watcher of DT and what I learn forensicaly does not trigger my Post Tramatic Stress yet this one did. Sobbed and cryed for 5min. As a retired paramedic and ICU nurse. The fact that the rescue divers were wel trained and the zodiac vane along when it did made the difference for this young man. Of note Gus we rea rescue breathing at 2 quick. Breaths/5 sec these pts of salt h20 drowning have very hi co2 and low pao2 they need to be ventilated at 30 or better breatha per minit. To hold your breath for 3 min and then only get 2 stacked breaths than wait to count of 5 is not enough. I believe my ptsi was triggered so much is that this had such a good outcome when most of these desperate measures are of no avail. Please consider teaching fast and full breaths on an emergency of no effective breathing till the person is awake and controlling their own airway. When they are making weak attempts assist their attempt with deep full breaths. I love your videos
I wish Rescue 911 was still on the air! Definitely some of the best reactions on this channel!
Thanks
Rescue 911 was a good show back in the day
Thankyou Woody and Gus. As a first aider, with 41 years experience of varying incidents, thankyou so very much for mentioning the possibility of psychological damage. First aid flashbacks are horrible, as they all are, thankyou for raising the psych aspect of helping.
I was taught to dive back in the late 70's. We had to learn how to buddy breath or you didn't pass. To bad that it's not taught now.
Yeah. I always recommend people to practice that skill with their buddy during their Safety stop, make it a 4 or 5 minute stop, do the first 3 minutes and then practice for a minute or two with your buddy, you don’t have to do it all the time but even once every 6 months helps.
It must be dependant on the instructor and diving agency, because when I got certified around 2007 we were taught buddy breathing.
I got my Open Water with Padi last year. We still had to learn how to buddy breath! But we also did 10 dives during the course and looked at some extra stuff anyways so maybe that was just my instructors being extra cautious...
SDI still teaches buddy breathing as a required part of training, not sure about other agencies though
It is taught! I was taught that in my PADI open waterclass just 3 years ago… and yes I know, PADI isn’t that good on the technical side of diving, but I feel like for their Basic OW class it’s pretty decent and thorough
Just found your channel, I'm a new diver 25 dives from Nova Scotia. I'm loving the lessons learned from these videos!
The paramedics have already figured out he's drowned.
They need VERY limited history from her. Paramedics don't care for amateur diagnoses. However, he's not carrying a wallet in his dive suit so they need her to identify him and let them know if he has any history like allergies to medications, etc.
The world of diving is way more insane and technical than I ever thought
I’m not a diver but I’m hooked on the content and the hosts! Keep up the great work fellas🐲🔥👍
In my defense...I was left unsupervised..
Great shirt
Yet again another amazingly put together video. 10/10 as usual.
Thanks for the encouragement!!!
From a medical side ems don't care about alot of things. Speaking to the dive buddy allows ems ask questions like
1. How long ago did you loose sight of him.
2.How long has it been since you saw him take his last breath on air.
3. Then was CPR done or rescue breaths at any time.
4. How long from the start of the rescue breaths till he responded and tried breathing on his own.
After that is the how far down were you, how long were you down there.
Drs don't care about the story just the facts first so treatment can be accurate and quick. They may ask a couple days later about the whole story but generally they don't like to muddy up facts with a story they leave it to the police if anything is filed.
Love y'all's videos keep it up!
Based on the script, he wasn't certified. The woman "We'd gone out the weekend before and done a lot of practice. We went through everything I could think of that I'd gone through with my certification." The man: "Greg had such a great dive his first dive, we weren't that concerned about his certification."
I know, crazy.
Wow this story hit home 😢 omg what an amazing outcome. Thanks for sharing guys 🤝
I did my rescue course two months ago. In regards to rescue breaths: as Woody said there is debate on what's best, but my teaching was to try breaths only if it's flat water (i.e. a lake, not open water), and only for 20-30 seconds before trying to get to land. Potentially giving more breaths every minute. But really, in my opinion, even the slightest amount of waves makes it near impossible, and any water that goes in is worse for them. Just get them to land. I disagree with woody to try for 5-7mins, that could be the difference between them dying if you wait 5mins before getting them to land where you can render proper assistance. Obviously it all depends on the circumstances, if you're on a boat a long way from shore potentially there isn't any chance of help coming anyway.
The reason the paramedics want to speak to the buddy is they need details of what happened: how deep they were diving, for how long, what caused the incident (was it a venomous animal?) etc. That will tell the paramedics what they need to do, how soon they need to get them to a hyperbaric chamber, whether they need to treat a wound or something else that caused the incident etc.
While I wouldn't think to sue anyone, I definitely think they shouldn't have considered taking someone who has never dived before underwater off a boat dive with a dry suit on. That's not so much a freak accident as it is an accident waiting to happen. So many things can go wrong.
Great content as always btw guys.
@@moocowp4970 Splendid profile pic btw
I never teach doing rescue breaths after 30 seconds. If you have failed to clear the airway by then, you are wasting time trying to give rescue breaths inwater. Better get them out of the water ASAP to start chest compressions. Every minute you waste giving RB, you lose 10% survival chance if there is no pulse or heartbeat.
Rescue divers should carry a collapsible pocket mask, this will prevent water ingress in nearly all conditions. I have my own with me
To unknowingly run out of air, is so foreign of a concept to me, I was trained and encouraged to do check ins with my buddy or dive leader each 50bar.
Oh wow! U gotta be kidding me! Woody hasn't stopped the video 10x in the first 2 minutes to comment! Thats crazy! 🤣🤣🤣
Lol I'm just playing. I love this channel, and I feel like I learn something new in every video. Especially when Woody & Gus do these reaction videos.
Keep em coming fellas!
When someone like Edd is speaking there is no need for me to speak. Nothing I can add of value so I let him flow. :)
Woody
But I’ll be stopping 10 times per minute very soon again. Ha
@@DIVETALK its all good brother! I still love the content, and find the input to be very helpful and informative.
((speaking from a 5th grader point of view USA 2002 almost certified diver)) I remembered training to dive in my swimming pool in South Florida when my diving instructor cut off my oxygen tank as a diving example (to simulate what it would feel like if your oxygen would run out) . I stood up in the swimming pool of 4 or 5 ft. of water thinking I was going to die from lack of oxygen coming from the tank. I was trained for the time period still thinking I was going to die.
Now almost 20 yrs. later I want to have my dive certification to go on mediocre dives .
I love your videos! I am not a diver and don’t know if I ever could be, but I have learned so much from watching in the past few days. Would you ever consider reacting to the rescue of the soccer team from Tham Luang cave? It was such an impressive operation and the technical ability of those divers is incredible. I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions on that rescue. Thanks for the amazing content! If I ever get over my fear of deep water, I’ll come to you guys for dive training.
We are working on that one!
@@DIVETALK I can’t wait to watch!!
This reminds me of a cave dive at Ginnie Springs. My buddy and I were just passing the lips. He came to me and signaled out of air. My first thought was “are you kidding”. I passed him my octopus. He started to breathe from the octopus. Suddenly, he rips my regulator out of my mouth. Long story short, we got situated. He gave me back my regulator and started to breathe from my octopus. On the surface I asked why you grabbed my reg. He said he couldn’t breathe off the octopus. He than realized when I gave him my octopus, he put it in his mouth inverted. If the reg is upside-down it doesn’t work. Yes, we did learn this in our cave certification. This was a valuable lesson learned. Also, he ran out of air because his isolation valve was closed, and this was our second dive of the day.
Yikes! Way to keep it together and end the dive safely!
This is important information because they teach you to make sure the octopus is right side up but they don’t explain that it doesn’t work if it’s not. Thanks!
@@brendasanchez4160 that’s why I used a Poseidon Xstream as my alternate to pass to my buddy because the last thing I need is to worry about whether the regulator is the right side up on an emergency
This one was scary.
I'll never miss one of your videos. Love them! 😘✌️
Thanks for the comment and the support!
I was a Puget Sound diver back in the day and can attest to the poor visibility and cold water temperatures in this area. Almost no one dives without a dry suit, and it's a rare day at the park when you've got decent viz. Depending on where you dive, there can be virtually no slack tide (e.g., Tacoma Narrows) to relatively calm water at Hoodsport. It's a recipe for certain disaster to dive here without certification; this is probably not the best place for an Adventures in Scuba experience!
I didn't realise I wasn't subbed, rectified. Weirdly obsessed with these videos even tho I don't dive 🤣
Thanks for the support!
Thanks for bringing Rescue911 back in my life. Used to watch this while home during summer break. Came on right after American Gladiators!
This channel is awesome. I'm not a diver, but the expertise that you guys have keeps me drawn in. I remember you guys mentioning that Woody had a good "oh shit" moment as an instructor, you should totally make a video on that!
Thanks for the comment and the support!
I’m going to make that. My oh shit moment was totally my fault 100% (this is Woody).
This is a solid example of why we train all students at every level, even basic, to use a long hose configuration, and to pass the long hose (primary). This has been studied extensively, and there’s a real, established psychology behind passing the primary in a panic situation. People who panic are not actually “thinking”, and they will not see your secondary (or that stupid yellow colored “octo” in common recreational setups). The only thing they will see is the regulator in your mouth, and in their mind-which is running on instinct at this point-they are only capable of understanding that the regulator in your mouth works and has air, so they will immediately go right for that. Training divers to use a long hose as their “primary”, and to pass that off in an emergency-reserving their short hose (secondary) for themselves-gives the panicking diver exactly what they want, and allows you the ability to gain control the situation.