Why Bands Don't Trust Fans.. And How Bands Abuse Fans' Trust
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- Lately, there seems to be an overabundance of horrible behavior from fans of bands, and today we'll discuss why a lot of bands don't trust their fans. But, there are reasons why some fans shouldn't trust bands, too.
00:00 Intro / Topic Background
00:39 Wrapping up the Sleep Token Leak
04:52 Delusions
06:13 The Pat Benatar Stalker Story
07:28 The Internet Has Amplified Everything
08:04 Stop Bringing Bands Food
11:38 Bands Abusing Their Fans' Trust
14:48 Have A Bit of Skepticism
15:35 The Mental/Emotional State of Fans
18:02 I Don't Wanna Say I Was Right, But...
18:37 Poopoo Peepee / Outro
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If I were to meet a band member, regardless of context, all I'd want is to shake their hand, thank them for the music, and ask how their day was going. Civil conversation between strangers. You hit the nail on the head: they don't owe us anything.
I’m an older guy. I would be fortunate to meet Geddy Lee and thank him for writing the soundtrack of my life.
Or for example at the Amorphis show last November in Linz, Austria, where I also attended the Meet&Greet before the show, I asked rhythm guitarist Tomi Koivusaari about the incident where police allegedly took him into custody for a couple hours after he threw a TV out of the hotel window while being very drunk (happened in 1995) in another Austrian city which is less than 30 mins away from Linz. I originally read about it in their official biography. He looked a little bamboozeled as he was obviousely not expecting the question, but it was a lot of fun.
But I agree with you: Bands don't owe us fans anything. Still Amorphis put on a great show afterwards and Tomi K. gave a guitar pick to me during the show! It was a truely unforgettable evening for me!
I'm a really huge fan of Amorphis and have a lot of respect of them. And just because of that I would not dare to do things that could make them uncomfortable or worse could result in something dangerous.
I am not a star-struck person at all.
They are just people. Don't intrude upon them. It's just good manners.
You can acknowledge them but they don't owe you anything at all, including their time.
I accidentally met a very wellknown musician because I bought a vehicle from him.
He gave me a modification of his real name until we met face to face and he relaxed totally. He told me that he has to do that because of crazy fans and taking into account his band I fully get it.
We spent the day together while waiting for the money to get transferred. No band talk other than he told me the band name and that was all we spoke about that. I could tell than he wouldnt have wanted to and i didnt really care if we did or not. Just normal getting to know you small talk and a few slightly deeper conversations about things in general. That was it.
We kept in touch for a while after that because we really hit it off with each other. Just normal stuff.
I enjoyed the day with him going for lunch and just hanging out at his place.
He enjoyed it too because there was no pressure on him. I am generally pretty laid back and I don't impose myself or my opinions on anybody. Same for him so it worked out great. Just a cou0le of guys shooting the shit.
Another, example would be the Selena (TexMex singer), where a “fan” became the president of her fan club and got close to the singer. This ended in tragedy.
One of the most awful things to happen in the entire history of pop music. Fuck Yolanda.
Yeah that was sad…
One of the most notorious examples, too.
Selena was a gem. Still listen to her.
@@Trepanation21 I remember watching the biopic with Jennifer Lopez years ago. That was wild.
30 years now
Stop bringing bands food is a big one. When I used to tour we threw away cakes, cookies, Chipotle burritos that people just brought to VIP (why...?) etc and I always felt bad about it, but aint no damn way I'm eating that stuff. The exception was one girl who was in culinary school for baking, who reached out ahead of time to see what we wanted. She made us biscoff cupcakes and they ruled.
I never thought it was being thrown away
I made several bands a radler cheesecake
And got them beers
Now I will think about doing that again
As a person who works in a music venue and cleans up after you guys it's all good. At the particular venue I work at, our production staff throws it out before our clean up crew can even get to it, so I don't blame you😁
That's why when I go to shows I don't ask for pictures or autographs tbh that's some wiredo shit.
@@colonelhstinkmeaner8547totally agree about the autograph thing, you want someone to sign their name for you?! Weird. And there's no way it's their real signature
@@colonelhstinkmeaner8547 Photos and Autographs are fine, those are as old as time.
I have been working in show security for the last 8 years. And it is not uncommon for tour managers/tour security to give us lists of names and pictures of band/bandmember stalkers preshow. Lizzy Hale had a 3 page list of stalkers/unwelcome at the last show I did for Halestorm. It is unfortunate that they have to deal with that kind of crap.
Yeah, I've done some shows where we had females in support bands that requested we didn't put their dressing room signs up where their rooms were just in case one of their stalkers got backstage. It can get crazy out there. Stay safe!
Oh man... I mean, I knew that a lot ofclebrities/bands have stalkers. But I didn't realise that it was that bad at basically every level. Living your basic everyday life you just don't realise how many weird creeps are around.
Lol lizzy hale doesnt have stalkers. That talentless cunt barely has fans
I used to get a handful of people thinking I was Lzzy Hale on Facebook back in the day, for some reason. I guess having a similar name and some mutual friends? Idk, it never made sense to me. But holy cow, some of those people were *crazy* and creepy and very entitled. And I only got a fraction of it! I really feel for Lzzy and all the other people who have to deal with that shit.
Former UA-cam star Christina Grimmie was fatally shot by a "fan" at a meet and greet just as her career in the "real" music industry was starting to take off. Security hadn't been thought to be necessary; just her brother was by her side. She was an open, trusting person and paid with her life.
I immediately thought of Christina also.
Famous people do not seem to have access to security until they reach a fairly high level of fame (like drawing crowds simply being in public). The reality, however, is that a person needs only a very small following in order to attract an obsessive "fan" who might be violent. There are a lot of people on social media who attract a following, but either do not understand the possible dangers or do not have the money for a security team.
@@fireshadowed I remember her manager saying afterwards something like "I tried to protect her from every danger in the music industrie I could imagine. But I just couldn't imagine that she was in that kind of danger." They didn't see it coming.
I totally agree that even a small fandom can pose a danger. All it needs is one person who snaps..
@@fireshadowed Access isn't the right word. It's finances. Security isn't cheap.
@@TankTheTech With "access" I was thinking both (1) money and (2) a team who thinks it is necessary. If someone's team/label/whatever does not think it is necessary, then the artist/influencer/etc. is probably not going to think about it or have the ability to advocate for themselves.
Stalkers are generally not taken seriously until it is too late.
@@TankTheTechI have a friend who does executive protection and it is crazy expensive. I'd believe even bottom of the barrel protection services would be 1k an hr for short term. 40 hrs a week for a year will cost you around 200k base. Travel would dramatically increase that cost.
Never forget that "fan" is derived from fanatic.
Well said! I was reading the comments before I commented the same.
Yep. Pretty much.
Most "fans" - i don't like this word anyway - are pretty much dumb and can't see nor separate things from a persona and the real person. They need to learn how things works. This is a job. People are getting paid for this. I've never saw a teacher, for example, having a huge fanbase that eats everything he/her throws on them. And they getting paid too, but not huge amount of cash like the artists. It's so damn embarrasing.
@@andreimatheus5282I’ve had lots of teachers eat food from students and teachers bringing food for students
Touring as a TM for 20 years, we are never going to take your food. If it's drugs....depends on the band. With the bigger bands, one guy from NJ who i've worked for forever wanted to keep all his fan art and letters and I'd stick it in a big designated road case every night. I'd UPS it to his PO box once or twice a week. When we got home, he would actually reply to people and I'd spend a few weeks mailing out a signed photo and/or handwritten notes for him.
Question- if someone wanted to give an artist a non-food gift, is it better to send it by mail to the management company and let the artist decide what to do with it at their leisure? I figure that might be better because a) it's verified as safe by the postal service scanning it etc, and b) the artist doesn't have to cart it around or spend money to get it home.
That's so kind of that person to actually want all fan letters. A letter definitely is a different things than food and more personal too, sure drawings and paintinotoo as long as you don't make them too big.
@@FunkyLittlePoptart I’m going to only speak for myself because I’m not whoever but.
Best gesture, when they are performing go and enjoying the show is the MOST enlightening thing you can do,and the other I’d prefer you not ask me even with the most flattering gift or personal letter to take my time away from What little I do have to spend with my family and or decompress from constant attention.
This is 🤏 less true for those bands who are still grinding to have success that case use your judgment and words of support would be appreciated by them
Again 100% my feelings on the subject but doubtful I’m in the minority
So you want my money but not actually my attention? Okay. That's kinda rude. It's not like I expect to get anything back, not even a thank you. But if you're too effin' busy to appreciate anything but cash, that's your problem. (Ever seen pictures or video of Metallica's HQ? It's full of art and stuff that fans made for them. That's how you appreciate people who care about your work!)@@NobodyUR
I work with celebrities at local comic conventions and have seen so many people try to bring home-made cookies or treats for celebs to have and they all get thrown out. Even non-edible gifts sometimes have to be thrown out. I've had people bring 3 foo, framed paintings for celebs and the celeb feels horrible because there is no way that's fitting on a plane.
If you ever meet a celeb and want to make something for them, make it small and plastic. That way it can fit in a suitcase and not get flagged at an airport.
Personal friendship bracelets or keyrings are a perfect.
Or just don't be a weirdo. That'd be the best thing imo.
Yup. This why I’ve always given gratitude and respect. Then I buy a tshirt.
Sure I don't see any problem with creating something small but feels kind of selfish to push your cookies and paintings for celebrities (unless they ask for it) and specially if you expect them to like them and as it's harder for them to say no or say they can't take it about home made things. And I mean adults here.
I remember a particular celebrity stalking in the late 80s. Rebecca Shaeffer was a young TV actress who was murdered by a demented fan. This was way before the Internet, and the stalker showed up at the woman's front door, where he shot her. You don't need the Internet to stalk and murder someone famous.
Fans overstepping the mark has always happened. The Beatles' song She Came In Through The Bathroom Window from the album Abbey Road is about exactly that. A female fan climbed into Paul McCartney's house through the bathroom window and stole some of his clothes! Stay safe 🤘 ✌️
Fans are just random people. I don't like it when people address fans as if they're all the same person.
@@Arigator2 good point! 😁
Also John Lennon was shot by a fan.
George Harrison was stabbed by a fan in his home.
While I’m not listening to metal, I’m frequently listening to kpop. Those stans are FUCKING INSANE. A big group back in the 00s, TVXQ, once had a member given orange juice by an “anti-fan” disguised as staff. It had been laced with superglue, and nearly killed him.
There are insane stans of every genre. I just spent the last 10 minutes reading about fans who actually killed a celebrity and none of them were kpop fans.
@@misspriss2482oh no, I agree - fans of all stripes can be horrible. I think kpop record execs do their damnest to market parasocial relationships, though. that +24/7 access encourages fans to be crazy.
@@batmansmith7422 They really do, it's so exploitative. Especially when so many of these idols are entering the industry as young teens. Their companies giving fans almost constant access to them, setting up cameras in their dorms, even forbidding romantic relationships. Some idols have had to publish apologies when they were caught having... a girlfriend or boyfriend?? Absolutely terrifying. It must do insane damage to their mental health
Cherie Currie is a very good example of a serious stalker situation.( kidnapping included ).. She told the story of what happened to her in the book Neon Angel
Her story is gnarly, I would recommend her book, she narrates her audiobook quite well. Just when you think this is the craziest thing that could happen to someone, something even gnarlier happens. She’s a strong lady to still be functioning as a normal person after the horror she has lived through.
I admit that I have brought little gifts for a few of my favourite artists a couple of times, but no food, just little things like a toque or an empty photo album (one of them really likes photography), things like that. I always try to treat them like people and not cross any boundaries, even unintentionally. I respect them, and treat them the best that I can, and luckily they are respectful in return, not just to me but to all of their fans. It's the whole "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" thing; respect them, and understand that they have lives too.
And to touch on the emotional aspect; The most recent concert I went to was the first time I had seen that singer in a few years, but I had met him twice before, so he knew who I was. He recognized me in the audience and smiled, and then after the show when the band came out to talk a bit with fans, I walked over to say hi, and he immediately gave me a big hug and said he was happy to see me there. It was a really nice moment, but I didn't ask for it; it just happened that way. But the key thing is that he knows I respect him and I don't feel any entitlement to his life.
Super insightful Tank, thanks for the follow up!
I'm thinking of actually writing my Masters Thesis on parasocial relationships in the modern age and how the internet has accelerated it. I believe social isolation has led alot of lonely individuals to latch on to these celebrities who bring them so much joy and positivity (sometimes their only source) and dissociate from reality and cross boundaries. Not sure what the solution will be but I think it's important to talk about.
Bands are not your friends, and no "they didn't sign up for this when they became famous"
I would find that kind of thesis interesting to read.
I would also find this to be an interesting read.
I wrote a column about Stan culture and Swifties in my weekly column for my town's newspaper. Your idea sounds very interesting!
@@charstrong9822is it available on the internet?
This is incredibly interesting and I would love to read it when released. What is your major?
One of the few things that stuck with me forever from touring is the food thing. My first few shows were an arena run. I was wandering the venue and saw a fan that had brought the headliner a cake. She gave it to their TM, he said thank you, and as soon as he walked around the corner backstage out of her sight, he threw it in the trash. At first I looked at him confused (I was maybe 23 at the time, so pretty young and new to all this) and when he noticed my expression, he looked me straight in the eyes and said “you can never be too careful, don’t fully trust any fans”. That stuck with me, and is how I treat things even on UA-cam now.
Even if the cake is in shape of golf club 😅
Always glad to provide snacks for you and the EC camp. :D Sorry for the ugly mug, lol.
While I wanted to bake snickerdoodles for them, I knew that crap like the story you mentioned happens so I'd rather not potentially waste food.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to eat stuff prepared by people they don't know, especially in these kinds of circumstances.
Just keep bringing pounds and pounds of Buckeyes and everything will be perfect. 😂😂
@@TankTheTech I'll see what I can do in May hahahaha
Hero you are my hero. though I am sad we can't cook for EC. No linzer cookies for you.
@@kristoferbochat Have to go to Aldi or Lidl, LOL.
It's such a weird concept for me. Of course you can be a fan, but there have to be boundaries. I am a poet / writer / musician and made the mistake of adding my phone number for customers to contact me. This results in messages of unappealing nature, calls in the middle of the night, video calls from unknown numbers ... Unbelievable. So the phone number will no longer be shown, this is not ok.
Sorry that happened to you. Happened to me too, years ago, even though my band was small. A guy started weird calling me and messaging me, from multiple phone numbers. It was scary for a while.
This behavior from that group makes the whole fan base look bad and now there is even more hate against sleep token fans because everyone thinks all fans are this level of cray cray. Gatekeepers and elitists literally bully them around. Im so disgusted with the scene right now between these wild fans and the h8ers against the bands fans (the good fans, lol). We just wanna enjoy the music man, go to the shows and bond with other fans. Band fan relationship is-they play-we pay. It starts and stops there. I dont see how fans dont get that.
This is the problem. Fans are not an organization. They are just random people. They shouldn't be villified as a group for the actions of others.
This whole discussion is wrong. Fans should not be viewed as a homogeneous group. If someone did something wrong then blame that person. Not innocent people.
@@Arigator2 Not once did I suggest entire fan bases should be vilified for the actions of a few people. The entire conversation was HOW those actions of a few crazy people can ruin it for the majority of people that are normal.
One of the things you forgot is that _it doesn't fucking matter._ "being a fan" isn't a job title, or an entitlement... to anything. You're a person that likes that music, you don't need to be a part of anything. I like the music a lot, but nobody would associate me with "the fandom" lmao.
Yall out here making your fandom your identity is weird.
Fans don’t get that because there will always be two extremes on the spectrum. There will always be fans who take it too far and do things like start a fandom or start making it feel like a whole aesthetic thing, and those that feel the need to challenge those groups just to (in my opinion) stroke own their egos. I honestly think the most chillest people are the ones who listen to their own thing and let others do them without the need to bash. If it’s not for you just don’t worry about it.
I'm genuinely embarrassed to be considered a fan of Sleep Token now because of those people. Everything was lovely before they blew up, so I mainly blame nuts people from tik tok for this sort of thing. That seems to be a huge contributing factor for when fanbases start to get ruined these days.
I definately have a couple of musicians/artists/bands that some would say Im slightly "obsessed" with because Im such a huge fan and I talk about them all the time, or atleast everytime the subject comes up, BUT, I would NEVER, EVER even consider trying to do shit like that, looking up birth certificates, home adresses and such, I would feel so guilty and ashamed that I could not live with myself if I ever did do that.
I love these people as performers, and If I ever get the chance to meet any of them at a show or whatever, I might very possibly pass out or at the very least burst into tears, but I do know where to draw the line, I am well aware that they are human beings with personal lives and only they themselves get to decide to what degree they wish to share their personal lives with their fans
That's the problem with masked band that want to keep their identity secret
At the moment they get a bit famous, they will 100% get obsessed fan who will try to find who they are.
Happened with every band that does it like that.
Music is therapy to people. Many fans have Mental health issues the music has helped with thru along the way…blurs a lot of lines. Let’s not forget what happened with Dimebag…
I mean, I gifted Andy from WCAR a Texas chainsaw massacre tee from an artist in the area that I thought was dope. And he wore it around his shoulder in pics, was wearing it the next day in his IG story and he had cut it to his liking like I expected he would. It was really cool to see he didn’t just discard it. Sadly, there’s others who will try to cross the line and really go past that boundary.
LMAO at the end of the video 🤘🏼
That's cool though. I don't think any artist would have a problem with a t-shirt or something similar.
I have no desire to ever meet members of the bands I love. They're just people, they'll likely never live up to the idea you have of them based on their music. When I did see my favourite band on the street before the show years ago, I just smiled, one of them smiled back and waved, and that was that. I was stoked. I had a great time at the show later that night, and that was enough.
To add one more thing: While I do believe a healthy boundary should exist, I don't think celebs should be unnecessarily cruel to their fans. I'm talking about stuff like when they do conventions or meet-n-greets and then leave after only 1 hour when they still have a lineup. I've seen a few do that and it always irks me, because they made the commitment to be at that event, and the fans drove a lot of miles and saved a lot of money to go meet them, only to be left hanging.
There was one story with the Ultimate Warrior (WWE wrestler) was planning on fulfilling a Make-a-Wish for a dying child who was a huge fan. Warrior walked right past the kid backstage and never spoke to him. Thankfully, Bret Hart was there and made sure to give the child some good final memories... but still... what a dick move on Warrior's part.
If you make the commitment to spend time with your fans, then you need to fulfill said commitment. That is all.
100% agree with you on that.
We have seen lot of trouble when fans are getting out of their boundaries. Uncontrolled obsession is the evil in this scenario. Think of Dimebag and Lennon, these are the names who was k*lled by their own fans. And I've seen tons of news where the artists was being stalked by their fans.
Remember what the song "Stan" was about
That thing with fans bringing homemade food items is just plain weird and when you stop and really ponder on it, there's no reason to do that and immediately the radar spikes. Thanks for the great content Tank! I love music and stories "from the road" so to speak! 🤘🏼💙
I'd say 99% of people have the best of intentions when they do it. They just want to do something kind for the band. But the 1% of weird stories and situations are what ruins all of it.
@@TankTheTech absolutely and therein lies the problem. There's no way whatsoever to know which is which.
I gave a band 100 dollars once and told them id buy merch but theyd make more money if i just gave them the money. I never expected anything back, just let them know I love them and support them fully.
Definitely a more serious topic, but also very accurate. I think the most important part is that whenever you approach a topic like this Tank, you cover both sides of it. You definitely see the fans that take things way too far, and we've seen bands that have taken advantage of fans in more ways than one (some are marketing and some are far darker). I think it also depends on the band. I think of like Coheed and Cambria and the song Hollywood The Cracked which was based on an actual fan that they had multiple issues with. Definitely keep these videos up!
There is a youtuber on here who got doxxed and someone turned up from the other side of the world and tried to kidnap her. This is what it can do.
I love a few bands and would love to meet them but there is no way on this earth that I could go and find their home address and put it all over the internet. That being said i know where a couple of English popstars live because my brother worked on their houses. He told us but none of us has said a word to anyone else. We havnt even said we know where they live to anyone let alone telling anyone the address. I dont get how someone can risk a person that they idolises life because that is what it does.
I totally get that nearly all fans are being nice by bringing food but if I was in a band I would NEVER touch it. Theres a few people that bring things like sweets in packets which like you said are pre packed so its all good. But even if that fan paid me I would not eat it.
Excellent topic of discussion, Tank! 👏
The guy that killed Dimebag was having delusions that the band was writing song lyrics and notes on their album sleeves directly about him, which led to the massacre at that show. This is mental illness, it is not the majority of fans.
Most subgenres of metal and some of rock attract the darkness within people
I’ve had the fortune of meeting some of my music heroes. Will Ramos from Lorna shore, corpsegrinder several times, Paul from cannibal corpse, Chad green from frozen soul. And my biggest thing in my head is always, don’t be or come across as a weirdo/creep lol. If it’s after a show I’ll tell them great show, love your music etc, if it’s before, have a great show. I’ll ask if they’re comfortable with a quick picture, take it and keep it moving. So far 100% success rate doing this. I feel bad for artists who are constantly harassed after shows by crazed fans.
I've been to a few shows where the atmosphere was unreal, in a great way. So many people old, young, different cultures, loving the art. I've met people at shows that just go to shows for the feel of a show, not knowing who the bands are.
I do feel though the support of fans showing up to shows is what every band loves the most. Buying their tickets and/or merch is the upmost respect they want. Nothing more.
THANK YOU for this video!
I follow quite a few artists, where i'm almost scared to actually join other fans because of reasons you talk about in this video.
It's one thing to love the music someone puts out.
But to think you have a say in how that very same person should live, dress,... to even when they should put out new stuff.
THAT is a couple bridges too far.
That's why I'm watching your videos. Healthy skepticism combined with vast experience in the industry - it resonates with me. And I'm not even a fan of metal music (more of a punk guy).
Let me share a story of being a not so good fan. When The Offspring came to Russia in 2013, I went to two concerts - in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Me being an admin of a pretty big virtual fan community of the band (we provided informational support, did ticket giveaways etc.), I got to participate in the Meet & Greet, all very cool. On a train from Moscow to St. Petersburg me and some other fans came to know that the band is also on the same train (in a separate train car). So we went there - only to the ante-room of the car, where Dexter and Noodles were having a smoke. We chatted for like a minute, then were rudely put out of there by the Russian bouncer, who threatened to break our arms and so on (even though the guys from the band tried to tell him, that it's okay).
No moral to the story, except that we did overstep the boundaries somewhat (of course it didn't even cross my mind to try and enter the train car proper), Dexter and Noodles were very cool and friendly and the bouncer still was an asshole.
This is why I’d never want to be in the public eye. And also why I respect people’s privacy.
Brilliant video dude and the end made my day 😂😂😂 be safe 🤘
This is so true, another great vid from Tank
As I said a couple times before, you're the BEST UA-camr regarding music stuff. Regarding food & stuff for M&G : I would never bring stuff like that to a band, for several reasons : 1. As you said, the band doesn't know you, so they won't trust you. 2. It's impossible for the band (if they aren't located in your hometown) to bring all those presents to their home. There is literally not enough room in the bus/van/plane etc. for those amounts. And last, but not least, the only musicians which will get something to eat or to drink, are those members of the Czech band Alia Tempora, because I know them on a personal level for over 7 years now, so we trust each other, and I was their support technician on a small tour too.
Tank love the videos brother!!!❤😊
I actually like these more serious videos a lot. Keep doing what you're doing
Hey! I was here for this stream! I agree with like everything you said here
What you say about emotions tank, that is the beauty of music and one of the things I love most, I have many instances of this happening to me and I cherish them all. Also, you are dead right, these are just normal people with a specific artistic talent and you should be treated like you’d treat anybody you don’t know personally, and this could actually work in your favour with them. Long story short I met 2 of my music hero’s when I was 15 and 17, they couldn’t be more normal, years later I discovered a band I really liked so started to go all over the uk to see them, they’d often be in the pub before and after gigs and I left them alone while other pestered for photos etc, eventually if they passed me they’d say hi, then stop for a chat until we eventually became friends, especially with one of them, to the extent 2 have stayed at my home on several occasions, but if in a pub I still leave them alone and if they want to chat then they come over, that’s not me being aloof with them, it’s me respecting their boundaries, and I know that my attitude from day one has made that friendship possible… keep up the good work Tank, I enjoy the stuff you chat about and look forward to your videos
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One food exception I personally experienced was with Shadow of Intent. I messaged Andrew ahead of time and asked what cookies everyone liked and He told me they all loved McDonald's cookies. Made their day on the Meet and Greet
See, that's cool. You went out of the way to hit them up in advance so you weren't just surprising them with something.
@@TankTheTechHe could have drugged the cookies after buying them. It's still dangerous.
Yeah I'd still be like thanks but no thanks my guy
New member of your channel.
As a fan of many band for many years. You hit the nail on the head
And as from a fans side. It’s scary being a fan as well
I have gone to many meet and greets. And I always wonder to myself with a sense of being careful but you never know what other people can do to the band. It’s very scary Anything can happen and I also have a fear of that in that crowd.
But I just meet the band and take my photos and be done with it. 👍. Great video.
I appreciate your nuanced view of these topics.
I have been an enslaved fan of Springsteen for about 40 years. ADORE the man. That in NO WAY entitles me to any of his personal information. Or Patty's info, or his children's info. Because that's just CREEPY!
By the way, I love that you get to tour with EC. It will make you HAPPY, and that's way better than money!
Squishy hugs to you and the family!
Greetings from New Hampshire. I have much respect for you and what present on your channel. Cheers.
Interesting chat! (that 11th hour was perfect!).
I gave the drummer of my favorite death metal band a bag of salt and vinegar chips after the concert because I knew they were his favorites and he had a hard time getting them, according to his Facebook posts back then. The whole encounter was very awkward as I expected a more cheerful reaction. Instead, he just checked if they were vegan and thanked me very reservedly when he realized the chips were for him. I just wanted to bring him a little joy, but in hindsight, I regret the gesture because it turned out to be quite embarrassing.
Even some smaller bands have tour managers etc writing some of their social media posts, so maybe he had no idea why you'd given them to him.
My daughter and I brought pizza for Tallah and they loved it. But we’ve also seen and hung out with them many times over the last couple of years. Building that connection helped.
100%. You have a connection and have earned their trust. I have also worked for bands who have fans that we've gotten to know well and trust when they do that kind of stuff, and it's no issue. This is more just random occurances.
@@TankTheTech I assumed that’s what you were talking on. Just thought I’d throw my recent experience in the fold!
Great video Tank. One of the many reasons I am very glad I never achieved any measurable fame. Playing guitar in a local band exposed me to enough crazies…
I have no idea what you are doing extending you bit of fame here, you cray cray homie! 😂
Take care
This is a video that needed doing imo, very wise words and great stuff :)
Im glad you try to find the logic in news like this instead of jumping on the bandwagon like most youtubers. I can rely on you for real news and i appreciate that
I'm a tiny rock band barely 2k followers on Facebook and I've had an internet stalker for pretty much 15 years.
To be clear. The term "fan" comes from the word "fanatic". I know it's taken on its own meaning as time has gone on, but it still rings true to its origin.
I saw MC Ride at a grocery store in Sacramento yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
classic
WOW. That is actually wild, to me. I can't think of many artists I've ever worked for that would have responded with something like that just from someone saying hi and telling them they were a fan and stuff. Sounds like a weirdo.
@@TankTheTechIf you didn't know he's the vocalist of highly experimental hip hop group death grips, they're pretty freaking weird and erratic, and MC Ride often seems deranged in their videos and live performances, guess that wasn't acting if this story is true
Maybe having a bad day 🤷🏼♀️
@@kathleenhillier6765that’s one heck of a bad day to be acting that crazy
Totally agree with you that bands don't owe their fans their friendship. But one thing has come to my mind in this context. As bands nowadays have more and more meet and greets or sell VIP packages, don't you think they fire that problem a little bit? Some enthusiastic fans might see that as an open door to as the bands are willing to get a deeper connection to them, because they might not be smart enough to realise that those events are just another way for the musicians to survive financially in today's music market.
Totally get the point you're making, and yeah, sometimes fans may misinterpret what the Meet and Greet actually is. Truth be told, like you brought up, it's a way for bands to make a little extra money while they're on the road, especially if they're not making a lot from shows. It's a business transaction, basically.
I saw that tour being announced over the weekend. Thought of this channel.
same
I recently watched the anime film Perfect Blue and that had to be one of the most frightening examples of toxic fandom gone too far. Obviously it's a fictional story, but I'm sure it was inspired by unfortunate things that have happened in the music and TV industry.
I was just looking up good animes to watch for beginners and this was a reccomendation. Gonna watch it
Jodie Foster and Ronald Reagan is still the wildest story for me. Like there’s plenty worse but that story just has so many pieces to it that it’s wild.
My comment on celebrities/bands has always been they are doing a job. You can love their work, but they're just doing their job and are a human like everyone else.
Hey Tank,
Absolutely love the direction of the channel. Not sure that you’ll see this but I’m curious about your set background. Appears to be album artwork. Is there a story behind them? Is it a particular product?
Looking forward to seeing EC in Toronto with my daughter.
It's unfortunate that bands have to be afraid of their fans, but I totally get it. Heck, even before the internet days we all know about John Lennon being killed by a fan. Then not even 10 years ago, Christina Grimmie was killed by a fan who had these unrealistic beliefs that they were supposed to be together. Just mind boggling!
Then the whole groupie thing. Another thing I'll never understand.
It's like some people completely lose their minds and self respect when it comes to bands. I can't imagine being in that kind of situation. Music is very much life for me and it was something I had wanted to go into years ago but especially now that I'm older and wiser there's just stuff that I would not want to deal with out there. Especially in the internet age, it's scary!
Gifts are always tough. I've been guilty of this but I've always made sure it was very small and easy to transport, assuming they even kept it. Go in with the full understanding that your gift MIGHT end up in the trash or in the venue's lounge.
I live on the fringe of metal and K-Pop and, boy, do I have some messed up stories about deranged "fans" (there's actually a particular word for those kinds of people in Korean: "Sasaeng", which is like "obsessed"), and they're usually ostracized from the rest of the community. One of the wildest ones Involves an idol, U Know, from TVXQ, who had a fanmeeting and a woman handed him an orange juice, he drank it, and a couple of minutes later, he was literally coughing up bl**d. He was rushed to the hospital, and they found out that the beverage had some sort of industrial glue in it. He survived, but did not pressed any charges (don't ask me why, I myself don't get it either). A couple of groups have ALMOST been kidnapped because the sasaengs disguised themselves as staff, some have their vehicles bugged with GPS devises, a female idol was almost abducted from the very live stage-- And don't you get me started with the weird sh*t the most violent ones send them, it's insanely disturbing. But since the legal system against this type of violence is a joke over there, the workload of protecting the artists befalls on the fans. They organize to keep track on these people and their activity to report them, boycott their content, and mass mail the idols' companies to take proper measures.
The last part of the emotions I seen Beartooth last week I have never been to a rock/metal show and because they made me change my life and such I teared up when Caleb got on stage and I felt so weird. Thank goodness that stopped haha. So you saying you got emotional before makes me feel better haha. Also good call on the sleep token marketing thing
5 or so years ago, I remember a crazy stalker situation with Meg Turney (UA-camr/cosplayer) where a crazed fan broke into the house she lived in with her boyfriend and he was looking to kill her boyfriend because he was with her. Thankfully, they weren't hurt. But still.
Insane.
There are so many different situations today that it can be difficult to distinguish who is genuine, who wants information, hurt others for the sake of clout, or over obsess on all sides. Be mindful out there everyone!
100%.
You for sure know the industry better than anyone I’ve ever seen. Your knowledge of the business side is crazy.
I wouldn't say I know it better than anyone by any stretch, but I just love sharing my actual experiences with people. Thank you for the nice words!
Well, I mean, John Lennon, Dimebag Darrell, and Selena are all examples of artists KILLED by fans.
Merriam-Webster, the Oxford dictionary and other sources define "fan" as a shortened version of the word fanatic. Fanatic itself, introduced into English around 1550, means "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion".
I love your videos! At this point you should just make your own music news channel. The whole point of your channel isn’t even news and you’re much better than the vast majority others. Because you actually analyze the information that’s in front of you instead of just saying that yes this for sure happened
I had to do a double take when you mentioned Orbit Culture. I was their LD for one of their stops last month. That was a super cool show. (Sorry this is very off topic lol)
Love your vids, Tank!
Hey man, not sure what happened to our last comment, guess it got lost in translation if you will lol but thanks for the mention! Hopefully all this BS with the boys is now over and we can all move on to what next! 💪❤️
For sure! I watched a few of your talks about it after everything was happening and liked how you guys approach that. Great job!
@@TankTheTech thanks man! Keep killing the game! Your content is killer
I agree with what you say in terms of fans stepping over the lines, with respect to the fact that it has been happening historically since the dawn of the celebrity vocation. But, in regards to present day, I believe it happens much faster, and with more frequency since the advent of the internet. The simple fact of the isolation of the modern human in the internet age, and their access to photographic material, interviews and video seems to be a driving factor in their celebrity obsession. Also, the way that the internet creates gossip, stories, and false narratives is very troubling. The doxxing of said celebrities, especially in its speed and voracity is very troubling. Privacy is at an all time low, and its a big problem.
Well done, man! You're absolutely right - there are some batshit crazy people out there who do some of the most outlandish and horrible things to people they claim to look up to. Maybe because they are in fact batshit crazy and sane, other times mental illness and things like that make them slip away from reality. One situation is just scary, the other is both scary and unfortunate. You would think though that people would just use some common sense when gifting their favorite celebrity though. I mean, if you're gonna give them something, make it meaningful and safe. No band or celebrity or whatever wants your dried appendix, placenta, foreskin or toenail clippings. Anyway, bravo on a great video, informative and your personal stories with bands are entertaining, and stay safe. See? I didn't use run-on sentences or ramble at all😎😜
Hahaha 😆
People do weird stuff, especially when they get to such an extreme fandom over a person. What that woman did to that Christian band is wild, too!
Also, loved that the timing fo their tour announcement happened as you were filming on Twitch; while i was only watching it here on YT, loved that it worked out at that time.
Great video ❤
I once brought some coffee, chocolate, and other stuff for Felix Martin and Sarah Longfield's bands. They had made some requests on social media, and there was literally a Kroger on my way to the venue. I just gave it to their merch people, all sealed stuff. Unless it was art related, I don't think I would bring anything for a band that was homemade.
Distrust is everywhere. Things have never been good in this world. There is no way to prove your intentions and no way to be sure someone understands your intentions. Best just to leave everybody alone.
No just respect boundaries
dude, I joined a band about 1.5years ago. We had a stalker within our first three gigs. We were nobodies and still some persons just need a symbol they can focus their life on. Didnt help that we were quite active on insta at the time.
Tank, this topic needs to be addressed more often! These Stans are the reason crazy shit like this happens. As much as I love Lorna Shore, I would NEVER cross the line or do anything to disrespect the band members. And this may be the reason why we have gatekeepers.
There's also behaviors where some fans will use a celebs image or even pretend to be them in order to catfish. Some asshole catfished me at the age of 16 pretending to be The Dro from Deadstar Assembly (he used his photo and name but said he was a college student and I'm from the UK so the band were not well known here). After finding that out, I'm glad I didn't meet him in the end. But I have spoken to the actual Dro who has told me that he had a fan message him chewing him out about leaving her high and dry at an airport as she was ready to fly over and move in with him. Turns out someone else pretended to be him to catfish her into thinking they were together. That shit is so nuts!
As a rock/metal fan I do respect the band’s… I would like to talk to them as a normal everyday person I do not care about the big status
Thing is, most of them think they aren't normal everyday people ;)
I've actually met up with three reactors/reviewers at shows (Old Mr B, Neonreaper, Baka Broadcast) having arranged to meet, and the odd thing was to remember that even though I felt like I knew them, I was - to them - a complete stranger. Oddly, each time it was like meeting up with someone I already knew, and very relaxed.
Love your videos
Even not counting purpuseful manupulation of food (adding all sort of crap, from pot to shards of glass), a home baked or home cooked food has to be left alone because it may contain perfectly legitimate ingredients that are not visible and to which some band members or other people who have access to that food is allergic. A packaged food (chocolates) has an ingredient list, a homemade food does not.
In Japan the homemade pastries with bl++d in it is kind of a big thing. I don't know how much it actually happens, but in my old band we got strict instructions not to eat any baked goods that were not factory packed💦
Oh my god you are so on about fans giving food. I go to many conventions and one of my tips I give to newcomers is “giving a gift to a celebrity you like is fine, but *do not* bring them food”. It’s just a waste of time and energy on your part, and a general waste of food, because that’s most likely getting thrown away. There’s just too many weirdos out there and they have zero way of knowing that the food they’re getting hasn’t had something done to it. And if there are celebs still actually eating food gifts given to them, I’m praying that nothing bad happens but also begging y’all to stop! It’s easier for everyone to just avoid it.
Hey tank, are you gonna cover your take on the tommy johansson situation? I'd really like to hear your opinion!
Yup, called it and agree 100%
I've even heard of pre packaged stuff being tampered with and repacking. I wouldn't trust those either.
"That is a true story that I heard" is my favourite new sentence!
After watching your last video, I was like... There was no way the doxxing part was marketing because it was just so bonkers and vague, so I assumed it probably happened in some way (just like how the Avenged Sevenfold thing was just too oddly specific, real life is just too messy, no fan would go through that trouble). The band's socials going dark though, that did seem like a marketing stunt, especially with the message. The way I saw it, it had to be a coincidence - both things can actually be true at the same time. It was just really weird timing which blew them going dark way out of proportion, kind of to their benefit in the end I'm sure. Lots and lots of people buzzing about this. I doubt people would've talked about their socials going dark outside of their fanbase if it hadn't been for the other incident.
Also, holy shit at the food story. Just wack. Fame must be really, really weird.
Love your channel. Been watching your channel ever since the blue ridge shit show. Would you ever go back? Slip not was awesome
I met Machine Head's bassist at a Slayer show, and bought him a cocktail at one of the bars in the venue. I totally understand home made food being a no-no. Dig your channel Dude!
Gotta say Iv been going to concerts and attending meet and greets since 1998, and in all my years of doing so. I have NEVER seen anybody give the band food. Not pre packaged or cooked. Not a fan or a crew member.
I love that he mentioned the bands don’t owe us anything. People are so entitled and will throw around “we pay for your checks” as if that gives them the right to anything other than music, merch, and shows.
Well said, Tank.