Lithium Battery review time! - Enerdrive, Hardkorr, Itechworld, Redarc & Kings 100Ah - 135Ah Battery
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- Опубліковано 12 лют 2024
- Hello Everyone!!
This week we take a look at Lithium batteries.
We compare the Hardkorr 135Ah Lithium battery to the list below
. Kings 120Ah Lithium battery
. Itechworld pro 120Ah Lithium battery
. Redarc 100Ah Lithium battery
. Enerdrive Btec 125Ah Lithium battery
lets see which comes out the winner!
You’ll always get some negative comments but I’ve been watching you for ages.
Keep up what you’re doing, & people need to remember that everything is in your opinion.
I love your channel 👍
Hello Stephen, thanks for watching the channel has changed alot over the years hey.
I'm happy to get the negative comments all gets the videos seen by more people 😁
Thank you for sticking with me over the years legend 👍
Very informative. I’ve had itechworld under the bonnet for several years now including their start battery. Touch wood, no problems. The Cruiser tows a van everywhere and the batteries have been under water. 😊😊
Really you put it under the bonnet? It definitely gets hotter then 80°c under the bonnet and that's when BMS cuts out. Glad you have had no issues
@@Off.Track4x4 my brother has a DCS brand and it’s bms records temp. Never seen it over 75 in his 100 series cruiser
@@Off.Track4x4The itech batteries are designed for extra heat to go under the bonnet or extra hot areas.
@@Off.Track4x4 Itechworld have stated this in there website is the specs and I’ve done one as well under bonnet, they will also provide a heat shield for the battery if specified.
@@petcuyvers No they aren't. There's some great tear down reviews showing there is nothing different in assembly or design than other batteries. I was just reading a review last night that shows the 120X internally and it is no different in its assembly than Kings. Nothing in there to protect the cells or BMS from heat at all. The tests also showed that the stated specs of the 120X including total capacity, useable capacity, discharge rate and temperature protection were completely incorrect.
The kings I’ve got can be charged up to 60ah. I know there are older models that have lower charging rate. Good video btw👍
Thanks for the comment mate, all ways the way you put up a video and all the info changes 🤣😂
Max charge current for current Kings 120Ah is 60A. Took a while to track this down.
Very helpful, thanks.
Thank you for watching Ingrid and your nice comment 😊👍
The itechworld 120X pro has 120ah total use which makes it a 150Ah rating. It has IP67 which means you can put externally rained on and in dust..
Can the Hardkorr be placed externally ie outside under cover? What is IP rating. Can it get wet and resist dust?
The Enerdrive B-Tech 120ah can only be inside as not sealed unit which in canopy gets very hot in sun.
Redarc also needs to be under cover, doesn’t say IP rating.
Most of ratings are conducted at 25deg to keep a standard. If you watch charger they derate as battery temp is measured.
I said the Itechworld was pretty good, I would have got one if they had Bluetooth. The 100 usage I'm still unsure about, can't see anywhere about it actually being 150Ah all Lithium are 100% usage, but best practice is 80% usage for long life.
@@Off.Track4x4 the itechworld 120PRO is 120Ah usage which makes battery about 150Ah
Do a discharge test, most batteries under $1000 for 100ah you won’t get full Ah as they cut out at 10.5V
No disrespect intended but I'd like to call out a couple of things. Internal bluetooth monitors are inaccurate when compared to a shunt based monitor. Specifying life cycles without the depth of discharge means very little. Glad to hear you haven't had any issues with the product not that I'm alluding to the brand being unreliable however there are better value batteries from other Oz companies who build their batteries (Not referring to Kings or iTech). Thanks for sharing
Hey mate, thanks for watching and sharing your feed back 😊
My understanding is the Bluetooth inside the battery is the same as a shunt it's just one step earlier then the terminal. I've been given an Aussie built battery that I'm able to open when I do my review so we will get to see in that battery how the Bluetooth is weird up.
Agreed their is some great Aussie batteries coming through, I am now being offered them to review so you will get to see them soon 😊
@@Off.Track4x4 Have never heard of a inbuilt shunt as part of the internal BMS and bluetooth. There's a lot of material on the net regarding this topic and I'm yet to come across any batteries (at the price point which we're discussing :) ) which are able to monitor the power usage as accurately as an external system. Of course, you can always add an external shunt later if you feel the need. My point was to highlight that internal monitoring isn't worth the additional cost compared to external, in my opinion. Cheers.
Great vid mate.
Thanks mate really appreciate it 😊
The itechworld is the only one of these warranted for underbonnet use, may be relevant for some users.
Hey mate, I heard that but I'm a bit confused it may be warranted to go under the bonnet, but going off the max charging/discharging temps they wouldn't function under there?
At 80°c the safety protection isolator kicks in and shuts the battery off. Also it has a recommended operating temp of no higher then 60°c. I don't know the number don't seem to add up, what's your thoughts?
I have a DCS battery under the bonnet of my 150 series Prado. Expensive but a well tested product. I know itechworld advertise they have $10M insurance in case their under bonnet batteries blow up. All well and good but my family to me is priceless.
seems like a promotion for Hard Korr. what we need is real time usage comparisons
Hey mate, no promotion I'm not a big enough channel to have sponsorship. The hardkorr just beat out everyone else's.
Yes, all good. Manufacturers specs is what you explained. I would like to see the actual specifications while the batteries are running typical appliances
Thanks for the review bro much appreciated one thing you should add on the future is add the weights of the batteries please 🙏🏽
Awesome job cámara girl 🍻
Hey mate, thank you for watching and thanks for the comment, I found they all fall in between 12-15kgs So to cut time down on the video had to leave it out, sorry mate.
@@Off.Track4x4 thanks
IP rattings would be good to throw on the list.. great vid mate,
Hey mate, thank you for watching and commenting 🙂
I don't believe any lithium should go under the bonnet of a car so I don't want to mention it. When I worked at TJM we would provide a different warranty if mounting the HD air compressor under the bonnet, it could technically handle being under the bonnet but it was not happy and dramaticly shortened the life span. In my eyes that means it should not go under the bonnet, same for every lithium battery, just because it can doesn't mean they should. Does that make sense? I don't know Just my thoughts 😊
Good review mate
Thanks Tony really appreciate it 🙂
Hi. Did you just plug in an inverter to the 175 anderson plug? And what size inverter did you use. Thanks
Hey mate,
Yep I have a video up now of the inverter, I bought a 3000w but it's more so an upgrade for when our caravan comes.
Plugs straight into the 175Amp Anderson and works perfectly just can't use the full 3000w on this battery.
Thanks and I did find that vid after I posted the message. I wasn't sure if you had used a 2000w and upgraded to the 3000. Thanks for the vid and responding to the question. Cheers
Very informative thanks. How much do these batteries weigh?
Hey mate, thanks for the comment, they weight 14kgs. Not sure where that sits in line with others. Weight isn't a big factor to me at the moment sorry.
I just got a Kings 100ah for $299. If more AH needed run in parallel and you have 200ah for $600. The 2000 cycles is for fully drained so if you don't run down too far its only a partial discharge. 2000 full cycles is 5 1/2 years.
Hello mate, thanks for watching and commenting I really appreciate it 😁👍
The king's is definitely not bad for the price, you can't expect for the money they are asking for it to stack up to the other. Let me know how it goes and if you have any issues with it.
Silly question, does anyone know if the kings 120ah lithium battery fits inside the hardkorr battery box? Online the length dimensions are the same. I want to know if anyone has physically gotten this battery to fit inside
Hey hey, should fit no issues the box is made to fit most 120ah batteries. When I was at TJM we used it with a heap of different batteries.
may want to update your review . redarc ALPHA150 - size 150AH, cont discharge 200A, MAX Discharge 350A (10secs), Max charge rate 135A, Charge range -20 to 45c, discharge range -20 to 60c, 5000 cycles, 5 yr warranty.
Hey mate, wasn't fare to compare a 150Ah with everyone else's 125Ah. Also there 5000 cycles is based on 100% usage not 80%. Only accepting charge up to 45 degrees Celsius is a joke for an Australian made battery. for the money they are asking needs to be a lot better then that.
Interesting topic for discussion, many options to choose🎉 from depending on individual requirements. In the past I have bought cells from Alibaba and made my own battery, but as nice as the HardKorr battery is, I would probably buy a battery from Mueller Energy next time. They look awesome, and have quality components (in my opinion).
There is definitely some smaller brands out there making so good batteries. I can't believe you made your own!
Good informative video.
Hey what’s your opinion on the Hardcorr 3000w inverter?
Hello Rich, I have a video coming out soon on it. I guess it all depends on what your purpose is for an inverter?
If going in a canopy great choice 100% recommend, amazing build quality like no joke put together really well, has a brilliant sleep mode with crazy small Amp draw, the Amp loss during inversion is also low. Has a safety switch which is must these days, remote switch included. If you plug it into 24v you then get 3700W.
If it's for a caravan then things get a little bit more tricky. And the answer isn't as simple.
@@Off.Track4x4
Yes that makes sense. Well I’m considering buying one for my caravan. We have 600ah’s of lithium batteries 12v and 800watts of solar on the roof. And the caravan has been pre wired for a inverter with 240v AC input. We will be using it for things like the microwave and toaster and coffee machine etc. I’d be interested to know your thoughts?
I will be swapping out the 2000w inverter in my caravan for my 3000w hardcore one, BUT we do not stay in caravan parks and very rarely are plugged into 240v so restricting the maximum power draw of the van to 3700w is fine for us.
The down side to the hardkorr inverter is that it doesn't come with a automatic transfer switch. This feacher means when you plug into mains power the power transfers through the inverter giving you full capacity of the caravan parks power. You need to spend 2k+ to get an automatic transfer switch in an inverter.
Hardkorrs instead uses the 240v to power the inverter bumping the power usage from 3000w to 3700w.
Each caravan park has different size circuit breakers so it's hard to tell if you will be restricted using the hardkorr inverter at a caravan park. Does that all make sense?
@@Off.Track4x4 Thank you for your insight. I look forward to your video review. When do you think that’ll be on UA-cam?
We are still discussing if we continue with UA-cam, the fact they changed it from a seach engine linking words in your title to what viewers search, to a full on recommendation algorithm has made doing this very frustrating. I am getting alot of support from my subscribers which is amazing, just frustrating the success of each video comes down to if a computer wants to show my videos to people or not. Doesn't matter if people search for the exact item.
Sorry rant over 🤣😂 the inverter is up next I have a few people now asking me to do it.
Hi Mate great information you are getting out there. Have a look at EV power batteries. I have two in my caravan fitted in 2014 great batteries. They are Aussie and are one of the earliest Aussie products
Thanks for the comment Mark 😊
Those batteries don't look to bad hey, there is some really good small companies in the battery space kicking ass, just hard to find them
@@Off.Track4x4 yeah the ones in my van are the flash ones with separate BMS. 10 years old and still going. I bought one of the cheaper ones they have with the inbuilt BMS and blue tooth a 120 amp hour job and put in my canopy it's going great to.
I just wanted to add some information:
Kings battery discharges at max cont 60amps (double check), and also the itechworld battery is actually rated in true amp hours so for example 120AH, you can use 120AH of the battery.
Hey Daniel thanks you for the comment 😊, at the time of filming that was the rating on the king's website. Unfortunately they change suppliers so much that specifications change quite regularly.
As far as the 100% usage all lithium can be used to 100% should you do that? No not smart for long life. But they are giving a 5 year warranty so backing their product to handle it.
That's wrong, there are countless videos of people pulling the full 120ah and some out of the king's batteries
One you didnt compare but to answer a question on battery wake up. The kickass dcdc charger has built in lithium wake up so it will charge even an over discharged battery. And a mate that works for kings has told me only a kings charger with wakeup mode can wake a kings battery. Other brands will not wake them.
Hello Steve, thank you for watching and your comment. It is best practice to never take a lithium below 20% it is definitely a bad move to take them to zero and will shorten the lifespan of your battery.
Wow, the Enerdrive is a DUD, I like the Hardkor stuff, REDARC also looks like a DUD,
It's crazy when you look at the figures isn't it! Blew my mind 🤯
Thanks for the comment mate
Would be good compare with Kickass….
Hello Simon, from memory I looking into then but they were really far off the mark, recommend to only charge at 24amps and only have 2000 cycles, just go the king's
Thank you for the comment 😌
You need to look at amptron’s specs, alot better than all of them.
I had a look, they actually are great battiers really good figures. There is a few small brands really doing some good things, just hard for them to make their way into the market.
@@Off.Track4x4 i had one of two of the 100ah slimline batteries completely die and cant wake it up and its brand new, waiting for it to get to them to see whats wrong or why it happened. They were very quick to organise testing and a courier to pick it up though. The after sales support is pretty good.
Your trusting the information given just Labels. I like Bluetooth as well, but you can't genuinely review without some effort, genuine shunt measurement values over multiple discharges. PS: That 135 could say 155 how could you argue or prove it wrong?
Hey mate, thanks for watching and commenting means alot 👍😊
I guess only way you could prove it is through charging and discharging rates if the times don't equal enough amp hours?
I think ASH looks better than Loyd
You haven't seen Lloyd in a mankini... Whoo quite a sight 😂🤣🤣
No mention of cell grades..No mention of BMS quality. I,ll take the ITech over the Hardkoor any day. 6000 cycles...lol..advertising bullshite. Why give a negative tick when your comparing different amp rate of battery. Not the manufacturers fault if they dont produce a battery of a particular size. Get a 140 amp/hour and give the Hardkoor a negative tick!! I often take my ITech 120 down to 100%...have done for 4 years with no issues. Capacity is 95% at 12 volts still! How many hours before the Hardkoor hits 12 volts>..thats the important thing...giving 12 volts ..not 11.5 volts at 85% of capacity.
Itech are trash
Bought an itech and it was rooted out of the box , didn’t work?? They screwed me around for over 3 months with the warranty claim , hope you don’t have any issues with your itech gear mate . 👍