I just gotta tell you right now I’ve been playing age of empires for 20 years. My seven-year-old son is now obsessed with it and we have been trying to beat this level for the past two days. We are watching this video to gain insight, I think it’s so funny that you and your dad had the same experience. Thank you so much for making this video
Easy Victory: -learn this from a speedrun. 1. Once you got the villagers, sail to Jin island 2. Build a town center at the far corner of Jin Island & advance to castle age ASAP 3. Bring your army and most of your villagers to the south gate of the Jin, south of their town center 4. Leave a few villagers at your base and continue gathering resources(if you lack of food, build fishing ships to fish for food & use villagers to gather wood) 5. For the villagers that your brought over, start building a castle that is position in such a way that it can attack the gate. (not too far from the gate as you can have it to attack any units inside Jin) - is ok that it's arrow may not reach the TC but at least can provide cover when your siege unit attack its gate. 6. Once castle is up, Jin should be alarmed and will send in their troops in. 7. Garrison all villagers and troops at the south in the castle, they will fire a lot of arrows at any jin troops. 8. you can occasionally release the calvary to act as lure for the castle to kill any Jin troops (before you research murder holes) 9. At this time, the economy at your base should be running well and you should be slowly moving your villagers back home to gather resource 10. Slowly take down Jin. They will not be able to farm nor move to imperial age as long you are harrasing them. (once their TC is destroyed, - you can use mangonel to destroy it, they are severely weaken and would not be able to defend against you anymore.) 11. Once you are strong enough, you should be able to take down Jin without advancing to imperial age. 12. You can destroy all of Jin military buildings like towers, castle etc slowly but keep their market intact(for unlimited gold) - so that you never need to build a base in the mainland
Chinese history 101 for those who are interested: At the start of the 13th century, China was ruled by 2 major dynasties and a bunch of smaller kingdoms Jin Dynatsy in Northern China, ruled by the Wanyan family of the Jurchens (a relative of the Manchus), though the populace was mostly Sinitic Song Dynasty in Southern China, ruled by the Sinitic Zhao family, though its populace was diverse and had Tai-Kradai and Hmong-Mien speaking peoples Hsi-Hsia (Xi Xia in modern Pinyin) Kingdom in Northwestern China, ruled by the Tanguts. Not sure why the devs decided to separate Hsi-Hsia and Tanguts, cause they were basically the same. Hsi-Hsia was the name given to the kingdom that the Tanguts founded. The Tanguts were a Tibeto-Burman people who originally lived on the edge of the Tibetan Plateau. They had served as mercenaries for the Tang and thus the Tang court allowed them to settle in Northwestern China in the late 9th century. Further to the west in what would become Xinjiang, there was the Western Liao or Kara-Khitai Kingdom, founded by the Khitan remnants of the once mighty Liao Dynasty which had ruled Northern China for nearly 2 centuries before being crushed by the Jurchens in 1125. The Khitans were a Para-Mongolic people related to the Mongols, they weren't the same as the Jurchens, who were a Tungusic people. In the southwest on the Tibetan Plateau, there were numerous small Tibetan kingdoms and tribes. And a bit further to the south in Yunnan extending to parts of Guizhou, Guangxi, and SE Asia there was the Dali Kingdom, and the exact ethnic origin of its ruling elite is still controversial. Some say it was founded by the ancestors of the Bai people, others claim it was founded by the ancestors of the Yi people (Bai and Yi are both Tibeto-Burman minorities native to Yunnan), and still others think it was founded by the ancestors of the Thai. In the end, all these kingdoms and peoples were subjugated by the Mongols.
And of all empires and kingdoms, Southern Song was actually the last to fall. The Mongols had to surround them on all sides to the point of even invading Vietnam to conquer that "weak rump empire".
I remember this being a fun mission, but also incredibly tedious, because of how many conditions for victory there are. First you have to get siege equipment and start a base. Then you have to defeat every enemy on top of preventing the Jin from winning via Wonder construction
After many years, I finally won last night in moderate. After getting the villagers from the engineers camp, I didn't even bother to defeat the engineers. I straight away sailed to Jin's Island and set up my base there. Once the Jin's were defeated (with 80 years to spare. Could have attacked earlier. But I just waited), the rest was easy.
I did it the same. Set up base there with no gold though... Just sell wood and food at market for gold train monks convert cavaliers. Heal them in castle and with monks than with about 20 or so plus siege attack jin and the rest is more layed back
I do have to admit that it took me approx. 4h to finally win this one, but I did at least. I was struggling such a long time with this, losing it over and over. Indeed Jin were the worst and tbh Song wasn’t easy to get rid of either. Watching this though helped a lot to at least plan my moves (as well as I could). Thanks!
Hey man, not sure if this'll mean anything, but from the bottom of my heart, I want to say thank you. I was doing this mission earlier on intermediate. Could t get anything accomplished, was about to use cheat codes, but I came across you're video here and copied just your first few minutes of play and was able to beat the mission no problem. So again, thank you. And you definitely got yourself a subscriber and imma be checking out the rest of your videos too :)
Dude i love your vids theyve helped me beat many many hours of missions i could have never beaten without you dude thanks so much these missions are nearly insane if you dont know how to do them ahead of time how these people and civilization's did what they did is insane!!!!
For any struggling with this one. Do as Ornlu does and pull back to start position. However, don’t build a tc yet. Take all troops onto transport, go past engineer island and land around the Great Wall. Go to the other end where your base is going to be adjacent to. Continue south from there and you will fine 6 bombard cannons. Immediately go for red. A little micro and you kill red. At this point your troops will be damaged to take on cyan without risking losing the bombards. Turn back and make a breach, eventually you will have a base and mail prod right next to this breach. Once you shift+order the cannons T take out the two towers nearby and 4-5 tile wide breach, pull back(you should build the tc once red resigns. Go fast castle, then swoop in with a cab army and kill cyan(with the cannon support). Green will attack you, build walls and if you still have it, leave a gap in a wall and your onager next to it on stand ground(green sends chu ko nu clusters). Static defenses work when red is dead early. At this point, it’s a race against the wonder. Green base is literal up hill battle, be sure to keep bombards alive for this. After green. It’s easy breezy. Set up a dock and build a transport ship. Don’t even have to destroy yellow walls, the cannons will shoot right over em. Imperial age blacksmith tech is the only reason you should go to imperial. You don’t really need trebs if you have the cannons(get the cannons).
I found this game at age 9 or 10 never beat this level (I used Black Death to advance) came back 10 years later after building my first PC and 6 hours later at age 21 I finally beat it. (Turns out it’s fairly easy if you knock down the gates and replace them with your own if you post castles at the entrance you’ve just trapped 3/4 Civs)
I have one word for 22:30, 25:16 - Skirmishers. Also, I find it insane that the Chu Ko Nu (Repeating Crossbow) is around 2,300 years old - although I just saw a demonstration of it and saw that it wasn't that complicated and apparently it's not a very strong weapon. Also, I remember Elite Mangudai being able to shoot very quickly, so fast that you could harass other units effectively - you could move your Elite Mangudai immediately after you clicked on an enemy and it was enough for him to shoot the arrow - I think this was not possible with the NON-Elite Mangudai, since you would have to wait a second for him to shoot his arrow and if you click too soon for him to move, he will not shoot.
You can cheese by building your TC on Jin's isle instead of mongolia, dropping some sexy castles at their face and killing their villages since they start with a couple of knights and some idle vills. That's how I got the achievement. This also works on hard difficulty.
Following this guide, Hard difficulty was easier than Moderate without it - I was no longer afraid to boom in the north and at the right time I started building fortifications and an army.
I know this is an old vid, but for those having problems with attack in the north while trying to deal with jin, you can build a stone gate in front of the gates in the great Wall. Will stop it for a while as well as give some warning.
I found the best way was to take the Engineers' villagers, take them back to Mongolia, set up base and boom there, then build about four siege rams, destroy the three gates in the Great Wall, then go take the six bombard cannons from the Engineers to the north of the map. Then, create some Mangudai and take them with the cannons over to Jin's island and destroy the wonder. Then it's just a nice, plain sailing, three hour slugfest from then onwards.
one small suggestion: after the villagers are transferred across the river, use the transport ship to get a scout behind great via the ocean to get the bombard canons early
If you have GAIA or converted siege units, once you upgrade with siege engineers or itself (for example, you converts capped ram. If you research siege ram), it will be upgraded too. In this scenario is quite cool having fasty siege cannons, for mongols cannot create them 11
if you are fast you can wall the great wall at the beginning and the AI doesn't really know what to do, especially if they are half walls, you can then castle drop the entrance. and basically focus on taking down Jin. strip the resources of Jin to fund the follow up army into china. You will blow all of Mongolia's resources doing it but it makes the game stupid easy, but time consuming. EDIt I forgot that what you can do is use the transport to get one calvary behind the wall early and run it to the bombard gaia cannons to take out all the towers on the great wall.
Watching this in 2024 because a new Fall of Civilizations podcast episode just dropped about the Mongol empire. 6 hours of listening and my immediate urge was to play the AoE2 campaign.
How I beat this one on hard, was I instead transported my army and vils east across the river to Jin. The only resources over there outside of Jin's walls are wood and some fish, but you start with a good amount of resources, so you can still hit Imp with some market use. If they hit imperial you need to immediately castle drop their gate before they have time to build trebs. Once the gate is down you can have light cav jump in and kill trebs. Your army is going to be all light cav because it's the only trash unit that is good here, and it's primary job is to kill siege and kite cavaliers. Pros: You only need to fight one enemy early on and then you have the entire island to yourself. Also you don't need to worry about shipping an army over once they start the wonder (I was already trebbing down their base when they started the wonder). Cons: You're giving the western chinese factions free reign to boom and you're less able to contest their resources early on. It can also be kind of a pain to make a landing and build a forward base.
Getting the achievement in this is brutal. I dropped the diffculty and only break through the gate and kill a couple towers by the time they start the fuckin wonder. It's maddening. I guess I need to get better, normally play xbox so my hotkey skills and micro aren't great. 4 failed attempts so far. I enjoy a tough mission but time constraints are always annoying af
i again started to play this level after 2 years because I know how hard it is and how stratagic. 2 years ago, I was very very Ultra Noob at age of empires, but after playing lots and lots of matches I am now capable of accomplishing this level because now i know the technique in which I was worst (mainly building lots of stables, archery, barracks). With the help of this I have created a record of 485 cavalry in one match as the enemy territory was huge and nearly impossible to destroy as the enemy was also send lots of his army...
It was a hard level due to Jin building a fucking wonder rushing you to defeat as fast as possible tanguts. Hussars did the dirty work of dealing with the fucking Chu ko nu's of Song and being meatshields for my trebuchets to destroy Jin Wonder.
@@tunezmusic661 Yeah, those red and teal factions are like trying to crush mud in your hand, it seeps out your fingers building town centers behind you with the immense amount of resources they collected while you were scrambling to take out the yellow team.
I find patrolling Bombards on stand ground prevents them from getting to range of any towers. And it clears up all the buildings faster as long as there isn't a constant spam of units in range.
In fact Jin was the Jurchens you were just talking about. At the time of Mongols they already entered “China” and established the state named Jin, but they stop short of conquering the whole of China, and they themselves got wiped by the Mongols. Notice the similar sound of Jin and Qing?
You can cheese it completely by just building a dock and building a second TC on yellows island, wipe them out and take your sweet time for the rest of them, the others will enver train a navy
when i was a 13 year old playing this game into china was a nightmare i could easily finish the rest at hard mode but for some reason i couldnt even finish into china even in easy mode
The faction that betrayed the Mongols in this video are the Xi Xia/Tanguts (portrayed in the game as two separate factions). After betraying nearly every ally in their history, the Xi Xia came across the one guy they could not betray. We could blame the invasion on them.
took me almost 2 hours because Hsi Hsia kept rebuilding a tc somewhere else every time so they never resigned, next time im building watch towers everywhere....
Still trying to do this mission, Red and Green keeps sending things before I can even get eco ready to transport over to Jin and start an attack on them.
I transported over to the Jin island to make base, held with initial troops plus pikemen(need only wood n food) + castle in castle age then was able to send villagers back to get all the sweet resources in starting area with just a TC and mining camps/mill. In hindsight I could have left 1 villager there and once enough for second TC just built one and made vils.
I finally got it after following your strategy, but it took me 2 hours+ because I meticulously destroyed the Great Wall of China as well as the other walls in the map 😅
This is a long one. Took me an entire afternoon. I managed to take down a few of yellow's towers down south with cannon galleons and blew a hole in their wall in order to transport over rams and hussars to snipe their wonder. After that, it was a slow spread all over the map, taking my time, getting rid of the three enemies gradually. Edit1: I did need to restart this one because I initially put my base on the Engineers island which has no resources so by the time yellow had their wonder up, there was no way to take it down. It's better to base in Mongolia where the stone and gold is. You can always send a few villagers back to Engineers island for wood.
Hsi Hsia (Xi Xia, West Xia)'s biggest weak point is that they resign after they let all their Villagers die to the north after you destroy their TC from the west by Cannons or Trebs. Without rebuilding a TC but they just send their Vills to the north until they satisfy the resign condition of (building-type-count-total town-center < 1) and (unit-type-count-total villager < 4) once you place your Mangulais at the place where their Vills come out. lol If you enter their camp with a normal way, they highly will try to rebuild their TC south. BTW, if the Jurchens (or Tungus) and Tanguts are added later as new civs, then the only Chinese on the map will be Song, the weakest one, as both Xi Xia and Tanguts were ethnically Tanguts and Jin was of the Jurchens. But I'm doubtful whether the Chinese government today or patriotic Chinese allow these new civs.
i just finished this today without watching any playthroughs, my god it took me 2hrs to finish it. i started to build wall at the gate because for some reason their siege rams doesnt care about ur wall if it doesnt have any gates, 2nd is that i advanced to castle age @ 14mins i think, then upgraded my hussar,skirmishers and archer cavalry then trained trecbucket sailed to the jin dynasty (far east) took their gold then built a marketplace there to get gold from their market then i pushed forward through the gates eventually finished them after creating alot of cavaliers and heavy arc cavs. hahaha kinda ordinary but i just realized i spent 2 hrs for this campaign
So weren't they supposed to be a nomadic type people? I find it kinda ironic how they say "what do a people who sleep in tents know of the word 'culture'" right after they build that wonder which forces you to rush them.
@@EzioIlMentore Well. The Jin is a Jurchen's dynasty that absorb Chinese culture and art into their own culture, kinda like the Mongol's Yuan dynasty or the Manchu's Jin dynasty. Basically, they learned how to live in palace and act like Chinese.
@@EzioIlMentore The Jurchens/Manchus who ruled Jin and Qing were NEVER nomads. They were hunter-gatherer-fishers of nowadays Northeastern China. Their proximity to Mongols doesn't mean that they were nomads like Mongols
It took me almost 5 hours on game speed casual but I kind of relaxed even though I did not really know if another enemy is going to build a wonder. Incredible hard for me to build an army and tedious to ship them over there. When I finally after watching this I figured out how to rush over there but buy I did not bring siege rams and actually did build 2 castles and a siege factory there last minute because I tend loose troops while multitasking, and I am not always on top of manually selecting every target for the archers that was they go down pretty fast. Ended up loosing all the cannon man during my rushing to the wonder. That played a role in how long it took. Later it becomes kind of boring and tedious to clear the map without them. But I am glad I got this finally.
Man it's so irritating. I play this mission pretty much the same exact way you do it, but I get harassed and attacked by wave after wave of troops. It just never stops. Double irony, I play on moderate difficulty. You got hit once and didn't even bother to build a military building until halfway thru the entire scenario.
Nice video! Actually the river would be the yellow river, so Manchuria would be southeast of Jin(or right of) on this map orientation. So not on the map.
Ok, here is the pickle I’m having: My population limit is 75 and it is making things verryy hard. A few minutes ago the Jin wonder expired right after my rams lowered its HP to 60/6000. And I am absolutely sick of trying. Hopefully you see this comment and give me a hint like how to upgrade my pop or how to pass this mission with 75 capacity. Great video anyways.
If you take the transport around at the start you can go all the way across and get the bombard cannons early. You can even completely kill red by sniping their production buildings. Its an interesting method to kill 1 enemy early. Its also a way to get long range siege to take out the wonder early. Also as a kid I never beat this mission because my copy of the game would always freeze on this mission specifically for some dumb reason. I'd literally get to the siege engineer island with the villagers and it'd just crash lmao. Probably my old shitty gateway PC but I had to enter cheat codes to pass it. Missions 4 5 and 6 were totally fine for some reason. I have legit no reason why this one would always fuck up lol
If you had a population limit of 150 people, why not use some of it for Fishing ships? That could have helped raise food quickly. Why not research hand cart, as you have on some other missions? That helps raise resources so much faster in the long run.
Aoe2 surprisingly is missing contents that involves Chinese history. Of all campaigns, there is only 1 scenario that you can play as Chinese. I would be interested to play campaigns that involve the Three Kingdoms Period, the founding of the Tang dynasty, Song dynasty or the Ming dynasty.
This map would be fine if it wasn't for the stupid wonder timelimit. Like the Mongols are gonna really scurry away because their opponent built a structure. I'm here to learn to beat this map that is the bane of my existence
Indeed there is! If you go into DE's settings and look in the "Game Commands" sub-menu in the Hotkeys tab, you can find/rebind your hotkey for the "Select all land military units" command. I think it is shift+(comma) by default.
man this level is hard af. I tried 5x and got smashed every time. 1.3 hour investment every time. I finally got to the point where I could actually launch an attack. one attempt they just killed my ship and destroyed all my siege weapons I spent an hour trying to create. The next game I launched an attack and literally just got smashed in a few seconds. I dont see how this is even possible. Yeah I cant play this game going to uninstall, was having fun but I cant progress and this is only the 3rd level ive played. unfortunate. why did they make it so hard I can smash elden ring and cant even do the 3rd level in this game.
After watching this, I'm still afraid of wasting another 2-4 hours for this level
😁😁🤣🤣
Very frustrating level lol
I just gotta tell you right now I’ve been playing age of empires for 20 years. My seven-year-old son is now obsessed with it and we have been trying to beat this level for the past two days. We are watching this video to gain insight, I think it’s so funny that you and your dad had the same experience. Thank you so much for making this video
As did me and my father before me.
same here i think it took us 4 tires to do it but we did i miss those days
I won’t forget the old voice acting for this level, with the scared engineers having a Scottish accent.
Mongols! Run for your lives
ngl but old la hire better tho
Easy Victory: -learn this from a speedrun.
1. Once you got the villagers, sail to Jin island
2. Build a town center at the far corner of Jin Island & advance to castle age ASAP
3. Bring your army and most of your villagers to the south gate of the Jin, south of their town center
4. Leave a few villagers at your base and continue gathering resources(if you lack of food, build fishing ships to fish for food & use villagers to gather wood)
5. For the villagers that your brought over, start building a castle that is position in such a way that it can attack the gate. (not too far from the gate as you can have it to attack any units inside Jin) - is ok that it's arrow may not reach the TC but at least can provide cover when your siege unit attack its gate.
6. Once castle is up, Jin should be alarmed and will send in their troops in.
7. Garrison all villagers and troops at the south in the castle, they will fire a lot of arrows at any jin troops.
8. you can occasionally release the calvary to act as lure for the castle to kill any Jin troops (before you research murder holes)
9. At this time, the economy at your base should be running well and you should be slowly moving your villagers back home to gather resource
10. Slowly take down Jin. They will not be able to farm nor move to imperial age as long you are harrasing them. (once their TC is destroyed, - you can use mangonel to destroy it, they are severely weaken and would not be able to defend against you anymore.)
11. Once you are strong enough, you should be able to take down Jin without advancing to imperial age.
12. You can destroy all of Jin military buildings like towers, castle etc slowly but keep their market intact(for unlimited gold) - so that you never need to build a base in the mainland
yo bro thanks for this instruction. you saved my pc and my brain healt. 🎉🎉o7o7
Just did this and it worked amazingly! Thanks for the tip drop!
marvellous!!!! thank you so much. I razed the Jin with pleasure!!
Chinese history 101 for those who are interested:
At the start of the 13th century, China was ruled by 2 major dynasties and a bunch of smaller kingdoms
Jin Dynatsy in Northern China, ruled by the Wanyan family of the Jurchens (a relative of the Manchus), though the populace was mostly Sinitic
Song Dynasty in Southern China, ruled by the Sinitic Zhao family, though its populace was diverse and had Tai-Kradai and Hmong-Mien speaking peoples
Hsi-Hsia (Xi Xia in modern Pinyin) Kingdom in Northwestern China, ruled by the Tanguts. Not sure why the devs decided to separate Hsi-Hsia and Tanguts, cause they were basically the same. Hsi-Hsia was the name given to the kingdom that the Tanguts founded. The Tanguts were a Tibeto-Burman people who originally lived on the edge of the Tibetan Plateau. They had served as mercenaries for the Tang and thus the Tang court allowed them to settle in Northwestern China in the late 9th century.
Further to the west in what would become Xinjiang, there was the Western Liao or Kara-Khitai Kingdom, founded by the Khitan remnants of the once mighty Liao Dynasty which had ruled Northern China for nearly 2 centuries before being crushed by the Jurchens in 1125. The Khitans were a Para-Mongolic people related to the Mongols, they weren't the same as the Jurchens, who were a Tungusic people.
In the southwest on the Tibetan Plateau, there were numerous small Tibetan kingdoms and tribes. And a bit further to the south in Yunnan extending to parts of Guizhou, Guangxi, and SE Asia there was the Dali Kingdom, and the exact ethnic origin of its ruling elite is still controversial. Some say it was founded by the ancestors of the Bai people, others claim it was founded by the ancestors of the Yi people (Bai and Yi are both Tibeto-Burman minorities native to Yunnan), and still others think it was founded by the ancestors of the Thai.
In the end, all these kingdoms and peoples were subjugated by the Mongols.
And of all empires and kingdoms, Southern Song was actually the last to fall. The Mongols had to surround them on all sides to the point of even invading Vietnam to conquer that "weak rump empire".
I remember this being a fun mission, but also incredibly tedious, because of how many conditions for victory there are. First you have to get siege equipment and start a base. Then you have to defeat every enemy on top of preventing the Jin from winning via Wonder construction
Very much enjoyed hearing the history during the playthrough.
I love the historical narrative! Love it! Thank you. Still don't think I will ever beat this level after 20 years
After many years, I finally won last night in moderate. After getting the villagers from the engineers camp, I didn't even bother to defeat the engineers. I straight away sailed to Jin's Island and set up my base there. Once the Jin's were defeated (with 80 years to spare. Could have attacked earlier. But I just waited), the rest was easy.
Thanks, that's a very good solution. The Jin put up hardly any resistance and they're the only enemy on the island.
I did it the same. Set up base there with no gold though... Just sell wood and food at market for gold train monks convert cavaliers. Heal them in castle and with monks than with about 20 or so plus siege attack jin and the rest is more layed back
Going to try this - makes sense for a noob player like me
I do have to admit that it took me approx. 4h to finally win this one, but I did at least. I was struggling such a long time with this, losing it over and over. Indeed Jin were the worst and tbh Song wasn’t easy to get rid of either. Watching this though helped a lot to at least plan my moves (as well as I could). Thanks!
Well, its easy actually.. i find only one mission hard in AOE 2
@@pubglitehack3597 "oh do you find this level hard? It is very ez ackshually" shut the fuck up already
@@happyalleycat lol noob
So why are you here lol @@pubglitehack3597
Hey man, not sure if this'll mean anything, but from the bottom of my heart, I want to say thank you. I was doing this mission earlier on intermediate. Could t get anything accomplished, was about to use cheat codes, but I came across you're video here and copied just your first few minutes of play and was able to beat the mission no problem. So again, thank you. And you definitely got yourself a subscriber and imma be checking out the rest of your videos too :)
Your old man was so cool for playing this with you!
Lu Kim: “The Mongolians are breaking through my City Wall’
Dude i love your vids theyve helped me beat many many hours of missions i could have never beaten without you dude thanks so much these missions are nearly insane if you dont know how to do them ahead of time how these people and civilization's did what they did is insane!!!!
Thank you so much for your walkthroughs! I learn a lot from watching these, both about the game and about Asian history!
Hey thank you the history lesson I love war, religion, and government changing history.
I adored the chinese history lessons thanks you!
Thanks bro.. that absolutely easy to control the war.. only horse archer and crusher building.. thats awesome
Such an underrated video. You deserve more views/subs.
For any struggling with this one. Do as Ornlu does and pull back to start position. However, don’t build a tc yet. Take all troops onto transport, go past engineer island and land around the Great Wall. Go to the other end where your base is going to be adjacent to. Continue south from there and you will fine 6 bombard cannons. Immediately go for red. A little micro and you kill red. At this point your troops will be damaged to take on cyan without risking losing the bombards. Turn back and make a breach, eventually you will have a base and mail prod right next to this breach. Once you shift+order the cannons T take out the two towers nearby and 4-5 tile wide breach, pull back(you should build the tc once red resigns. Go fast castle, then swoop in with a cab army and kill cyan(with the cannon support). Green will attack you, build walls and if you still have it, leave a gap in a wall and your onager next to it on stand ground(green sends chu ko nu clusters). Static defenses work when red is dead early. At this point, it’s a race against the wonder. Green base is literal up hill battle, be sure to keep bombards alive for this. After green. It’s easy breezy. Set up a dock and build a transport ship. Don’t even have to destroy yellow walls, the cannons will shoot right over em. Imperial age blacksmith tech is the only reason you should go to imperial. You don’t really need trebs if you have the cannons(get the cannons).
This guys dad is badass
I found this game at age 9 or 10 never beat this level (I used Black Death to advance) came back 10 years later after building my first PC and 6 hours later at age 21 I finally beat it. (Turns out it’s fairly easy if you knock down the gates and replace them with your own if you post castles at the entrance you’ve just trapped 3/4 Civs)
18:36 a fun fact, the mongols killed and pillaged so much that he dropped global Co2 emissions by some degree
I have one word for 22:30, 25:16 - Skirmishers.
Also, I find it insane that the Chu Ko Nu (Repeating Crossbow) is around 2,300 years old - although I just saw a demonstration of it and saw that it wasn't that complicated and apparently it's not a very strong weapon.
Also, I remember Elite Mangudai being able to shoot very quickly, so fast that you could harass other units effectively - you could move your Elite Mangudai immediately after you clicked on an enemy and it was enough for him to shoot the arrow - I think this was not possible with the NON-Elite Mangudai, since you would have to wait a second for him to shoot his arrow and if you click too soon for him to move, he will not shoot.
You can cheese by building your TC on Jin's isle instead of mongolia, dropping some sexy castles at their face and killing their villages since they start with a couple of knights and some idle vills. That's how I got the achievement. This also works on hard difficulty.
So that's how you do it 😅😅
Been loosing because of this freaking wonder. Thanks man!
Following this guide, Hard difficulty was easier than Moderate without it -
I was no longer afraid to boom in the north and at the right time I started building fortifications and an army.
In the campaigns, I often switch an opponent to neutral at their end to preserve their market.
I know this is an old vid, but for those having problems with attack in the north while trying to deal with jin, you can build a stone gate in front of the gates in the great Wall. Will stop it for a while as well as give some warning.
That's so stupid, I love it. You build a gate outside the Great Wall of China so the Chinese can't use it.
I found the best way was to take the Engineers' villagers, take them back to Mongolia, set up base and boom there, then build about four siege rams, destroy the three gates in the Great Wall, then go take the six bombard cannons from the Engineers to the north of the map. Then, create some Mangudai and take them with the cannons over to Jin's island and destroy the wonder.
Then it's just a nice, plain sailing, three hour slugfest from then onwards.
Jeez! That's quick! Well done
Manchuria are Jurchen people, the ruling ethnic of Jin in this campaign.
one small suggestion: after the villagers are transferred across the river, use the transport ship to get a scout behind great via the ocean to get the bombard canons early
Thaks Minh Ho, I'll surelly try this one.
When I was a kid I liked that rice paddy part too
Great history lesson.
28:20 after hoardings finished, they had their upgrades. For some reason.
If you have GAIA or converted siege units, once you upgrade with siege engineers or itself (for example, you converts capped ram. If you research siege ram), it will be upgraded too. In this scenario is quite cool having fasty siege cannons, for mongols cannot create them 11
honestly when i was a kid i would just type "black death" to win that scenario (and other ones which required defeating more than one enemy)
they give 150 population, wow thats too generous in DE.
Mongols are just way too good at fighting and long story short they impacted the 13th century world in a fashion no one else ever did in their time
if you are fast you can wall the great wall at the beginning and the AI doesn't really know what to do, especially if they are half walls, you can then castle drop the entrance. and basically focus on taking down Jin. strip the resources of Jin to fund the follow up army into china. You will blow all of Mongolia's resources doing it but it makes the game stupid easy, but time consuming.
EDIt I forgot that what you can do is use the transport to get one calvary behind the wall early and run it to the bombard gaia cannons to take out all the towers on the great wall.
Watching this in 2024 because a new Fall of Civilizations podcast episode just dropped about the Mongol empire. 6 hours of listening and my immediate urge was to play the AoE2 campaign.
You get DOUBLE the population I get in HD...
I've been to China before
Otgonbayar
bard and traveller
which tells of the wonders of Jin China
How I beat this one on hard, was I instead transported my army and vils east across the river to Jin.
The only resources over there outside of Jin's walls are wood and some fish, but you start with a good amount of resources, so you can still hit Imp with some market use.
If they hit imperial you need to immediately castle drop their gate before they have time to build trebs. Once the gate is down you can have light cav jump in and kill trebs.
Your army is going to be all light cav because it's the only trash unit that is good here, and it's primary job is to kill siege and kite cavaliers.
Pros: You only need to fight one enemy early on and then you have the entire island to yourself. Also you don't need to worry about shipping an army over once they start the wonder (I was already trebbing down their base when they started the wonder).
Cons: You're giving the western chinese factions free reign to boom and you're less able to contest their resources early on. It can also be kind of a pain to make a landing and build a forward base.
wait.. how do you keep the magonel from damaging your troops cuz i kill my own soldiers all the time lol
Getting the achievement in this is brutal. I dropped the diffculty and only break through the gate and kill a couple towers by the time they start the fuckin wonder. It's maddening. I guess I need to get better, normally play xbox so my hotkey skills and micro aren't great. 4 failed attempts so far. I enjoy a tough mission but time constraints are always annoying af
i again started to play this level after 2 years because I know how hard it is and how stratagic. 2 years ago, I was very very Ultra Noob at age of empires, but after playing lots and lots of matches I am now capable of accomplishing this level because now i know the technique in which I was worst (mainly building lots of stables, archery, barracks). With the help of this I have created a record of 485 cavalry in one match as the enemy territory was huge and nearly impossible to destroy as the enemy was also send lots of his army...
It was a hard level due to Jin building a fucking wonder rushing you to defeat as fast as possible tanguts. Hussars did the dirty work of dealing with the fucking Chu ko nu's of Song and being meatshields for my trebuchets to destroy Jin Wonder.
It took me 6 hours to pass this level lmao!
One of the hardest campaign jesus...
You had six hours? The wonder ends the mission in 30 minutes.
@@moppypuppy781 i finished wonder almost one hour and 5 hours left to conquer all enemies
@@tunezmusic661 Yeah, those red and teal factions are like trying to crush mud in your hand, it seeps out your fingers building town centers behind you with the immense amount of resources they collected while you were scrambling to take out the yellow team.
I find patrolling Bombards on stand ground prevents them from getting to range of any towers. And it clears up all the buildings faster as long as there isn't a constant spam of units in range.
In fact Jin was the Jurchens you were just talking about. At the time of Mongols they already entered “China” and established the state named Jin, but they stop short of conquering the whole of China, and they themselves got wiped by the Mongols. Notice the similar sound of Jin and Qing?
Jin was the ancestor of Qing the last dynasty
You can cheese it completely by just building a dock and building a second TC on yellows island, wipe them out and take your sweet time for the rest of them, the others will enver train a navy
How did you increase your population cap? Mine won't go past 75 regardless of how many houses I build.
It is definitive edition version
@@residentdocVlogs AKA, easy mode
when i was a 13 year old playing this game into china was a nightmare i could easily finish the rest at hard mode but for some reason i couldnt even finish into china even in easy mode
The faction that betrayed the Mongols in this video are the Xi Xia/Tanguts (portrayed in the game as two separate factions). After betraying nearly every ally in their history, the Xi Xia came across the one guy they could not betray. We could blame the invasion on them.
took me almost 2 hours because Hsi Hsia kept rebuilding a tc somewhere else every time so they never resigned, next time im building watch towers everywhere....
Still trying to do this mission, Red and Green keeps sending things before I can even get eco ready to transport over to Jin and start an attack on them.
I transported over to the Jin island to make base, held with initial troops plus pikemen(need only wood n food) + castle in castle age then was able to send villagers back to get all the sweet resources in starting area with just a TC and mining camps/mill. In hindsight I could have left 1 villager there and once enough for second TC just built one and made vils.
I failed so many times on this level that I actually have to look up how to fucking beat it
When I played this as a kid I would start out by typing "torpedo4" to get rid of those Wonder-building, island-dwelling assholes
I finally got it after following your strategy, but it took me 2 hours+ because I meticulously destroyed the Great Wall of China as well as the other walls in the map 😅
This is a long one. Took me an entire afternoon. I managed to take down a few of yellow's towers down south with cannon galleons and blew a hole in their wall in order to transport over rams and hussars to snipe their wonder. After that, it was a slow spread all over the map, taking my time, getting rid of the three enemies gradually.
Edit1: I did need to restart this one because I initially put my base on the Engineers island which has no resources so by the time yellow had their wonder up, there was no way to take it down. It's better to base in Mongolia where the stone and gold is. You can always send a few villagers back to Engineers island for wood.
Edit2: Your knowledge of history is very good here. I had no idea the Mongols tried to push as far east as Japan.
Hsi Hsia (Xi Xia, West Xia)'s biggest weak point is that they resign after they let all their Villagers die to the north after you destroy their TC from the west by Cannons or Trebs. Without rebuilding a TC but they just send their Vills to the north until they satisfy the resign condition of (building-type-count-total town-center < 1) and (unit-type-count-total villager < 4) once you place your Mangulais at the place where their Vills come out. lol If you enter their camp with a normal way, they highly will try to rebuild their TC south.
BTW, if the Jurchens (or Tungus) and Tanguts are added later as new civs, then the only Chinese on the map will be Song, the weakest one, as both Xi Xia and Tanguts were ethnically Tanguts and Jin was of the Jurchens. But I'm doubtful whether the Chinese government today or patriotic Chinese allow these new civs.
And the Engineers too I guess.
The only thing I don't get is why did you enable those small trees option.
Build at island at yellow. Destroy them and then go to the rest. 40 elite Mangudai and 10 rams is all you need.
how do you get your units to be so powerfull, my elite mangudai die to like 10 archers
Every time I played this scenario I would be rushed with 3 of the battering rams before castle age
Same my units did like no damage
I build in the south east to destroy the wonder and be protected from the other civs. Then I build a TC where you did up north to get the gold.
i just finished this today without watching any playthroughs, my god it took me 2hrs to finish it.
i started to build wall at the gate because for some reason their siege rams doesnt care about ur wall if it doesnt have any gates, 2nd is that i advanced to castle age @ 14mins i think, then upgraded my hussar,skirmishers and archer cavalry then trained trecbucket sailed to the jin dynasty (far east) took their gold then built a marketplace there to get gold from their market
then i pushed forward through the gates eventually finished them after creating alot of cavaliers and heavy arc cavs. hahaha kinda ordinary but i just realized i spent 2 hrs for this campaign
i played hard diff
Fun fact: The Quing dynasty are descendant of Jin in this campaign
Not the same dynasty, but yes, the general people group is the same :)
Yes. They are Jurchen people 's dynasties
So weren't they supposed to be a nomadic type people? I find it kinda ironic how they say "what do a people who sleep in tents know of the word 'culture'" right after they build that wonder which forces you to rush them.
@@EzioIlMentore Well. The Jin is a Jurchen's dynasty that absorb Chinese culture and art into their own culture, kinda like the Mongol's Yuan dynasty or the Manchu's Jin dynasty. Basically, they learned how to live in palace and act like Chinese.
@@EzioIlMentore The Jurchens/Manchus who ruled Jin and Qing were NEVER nomads. They were hunter-gatherer-fishers of nowadays Northeastern China. Their proximity to Mongols doesn't mean that they were nomads like Mongols
It took me almost 5 hours on game speed casual but I kind of relaxed even though I did not really know if another enemy is going to build a wonder. Incredible hard for me to build an army and tedious to ship them over there. When I finally after watching this I figured out how to rush over there but buy I did not bring siege rams and actually did build 2 castles and a siege factory there last minute because I tend loose troops while multitasking, and I am not always on top of manually selecting every target for the archers that was they go down pretty fast. Ended up loosing all the cannon man during my rushing to the wonder. That played a role in how long it took. Later it becomes kind of boring and tedious to clear the map without them. But I am glad I got this finally.
Man it's so irritating. I play this mission pretty much the same exact way you do it, but I get harassed and attacked by wave after wave of troops. It just never stops. Double irony, I play on moderate difficulty. You got hit once and didn't even bother to build a military building until halfway thru the entire scenario.
Even with this vid I can't beat this level on standard 😂😂
Nice video! Actually the river would be the yellow river, so Manchuria would be southeast of Jin(or right of) on this map orientation. So not on the map.
Ok, here is the pickle I’m having: My population limit is 75 and it is making things verryy hard. A few minutes ago the Jin wonder expired right after my rams lowered its HP to 60/6000. And I am absolutely sick of trying. Hopefully you see this comment and give me a hint like how to upgrade my pop or how to pass this mission with 75 capacity.
Great video anyways.
cant believe you re able to destroy enemies buildings that quick
If you take the transport around at the start you can go all the way across and get the bombard cannons early. You can even completely kill red by sniping their production buildings. Its an interesting method to kill 1 enemy early. Its also a way to get long range siege to take out the wonder early.
Also as a kid I never beat this mission because my copy of the game would always freeze on this mission specifically for some dumb reason. I'd literally get to the siege engineer island with the villagers and it'd just crash lmao. Probably my old shitty gateway PC but I had to enter cheat codes to pass it. Missions 4 5 and 6 were totally fine for some reason. I have legit no reason why this one would always fuck up lol
If you had a population limit of 150 people, why not use some of it for Fishing ships? That could have helped raise food quickly.
Why not research hand cart, as you have on some other missions? That helps raise resources so much faster in the long run.
Aoe2 surprisingly is missing contents that involves Chinese history. Of all campaigns, there is only 1 scenario that you can play as Chinese. I would be interested to play campaigns that involve the Three Kingdoms Period, the founding of the Tang dynasty, Song dynasty or the Ming dynasty.
I think the Mongol Soldier voice is Cam Clarke/Liquid Snake.
Ha ha ha just took me four hours of my life and my second attempt, got it right, honestly still so much fun :)
Ornlu, are you trained in Anthropology or Chinese History?
Cumans and Tartars were different. Mongols and Tartars were the same, no?
Handling yellow at first is good!! Otherwise it'll grow and be too hard to kill in one attack
This map would be fine if it wasn't for the stupid wonder timelimit. Like the Mongols are gonna really scurry away because their opponent built a structure. I'm here to learn to beat this map that is the bane of my existence
Xi Xia (Hsi Hsia) and Tanguts were supposed to be the same people. Idk why they made them into two here.
I'm facing a crash when I receive the siege units
Ayush Anbhore mee too man
Ayush Anbhore just when I recieve the bombard cannons not the ramm and maganele
@@Ever4RATM I ended up finishing it without the free bombard canons lol
I tried this 3 times last night, different tactics everytime and I just can't destroy the wonder in time
Keeps crashing when I get the bomb cannons grrrrr wonder if I can just skip getting them aghhhhh this level.
where did you learn about the various chinese cultures????? #iwannalearntoo!
Bro is there any hotkey to send all our military units at one place? I guess I heard u mention it once in some video..
Indeed there is! If you go into DE's settings and look in the "Game Commands" sub-menu in the Hotkeys tab, you can find/rebind your hotkey for the "Select all land military units" command. I think it is shift+(comma) by default.
I think I was stuck in this mission back in 1999
It took me a couple years of trial and error to beat this as a kid.
why so many tc??
man this is hard
How did he get the bombard cannons?
Can i get elite chu ko nu of my own?
I think u get them in a historical battle - lake poyang.
Weird question maybe but your accent... are you from Kansas? Cheers!
Very tough. I did no tech upgrades and avoided making most buildings to reach wonder before deadline.
man this level is hard af. I tried 5x and got smashed every time. 1.3 hour investment every time. I finally got to the point where I could actually launch an attack. one attempt they just killed my ship and destroyed all my siege weapons I spent an hour trying to create. The next game I launched an attack and literally just got smashed in a few seconds. I dont see how this is even possible. Yeah I cant play this game going to uninstall, was having fun but I cant progress and this is only the 3rd level ive played. unfortunate. why did they make it so hard I can smash elden ring and cant even do the 3rd level in this game.
Lmao, in supporting words of what elden ring players would say, GET GUD
You makes it to look so easy, but i havent even beated the moderate difficult of this mission. I thinks that i hate you 😭