Insane Warhammer Tournament Format.
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- No you cant win you didn't click your coconuts together enough.
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“So I’ve got to do freehand on all my fucking skeleton warriors? Fuck off!” 😂😂😂
But, but, BUT.... I play dwarves! How am I supposed to compete WITHOUT a beardy list???
Disgraceful
@@HellstormWargaming it’s going INTO THE BOOK!
I have so many problems with this. One, why are people so opposed to people bringing winning lists to an event that’s meant to be won? List building IS PART OF THE TOURNAMENT. If you don’t build a winning list, that’s on you. Two, what is the purpose of a competitive event? The purpose of the event is to find out who the best player is. That ALSO INCLUDES list building. Three, why not just run a narrative event? Just run a narrative event. This guy likes narrative games. It’s clear. Just make it a narrative event. If you’re thinking about running a competitive event, but don’t want overly competitive players…. Stop. Just stop making the event, and make it a narrative one. It suits your goal much better. It’s not that hard.
Well back in the 90s folks used get together and play events just to have fun. We just called them" tournaments" but honestly it was just a gathering of players with a love for the hobby those were good times.
@@bryanvestal3923 yea I do that every week. And you can of course go to a tournament with that attitude and have a great time. I do that. I’m more talking about the people who go to tournament with that for fun attitude, but get upset at players who go there wanting to win. I just find it ridiculous to go to a competitive event, and then get bitter at the fact that people are being competitive. That doesn’t make any sense.
@cullenasaro2229 Yes I agree with that.
Mountain Miniatures Steve interviewed the nova open organiser the other week I think and discussed why he was making his decisions.
Just checked this and if it takes 4 hours to talk about why you made up some rules, you probably made up too many rules
Jeez, that’s an event I wouldn’t attend.
That interview was legit hilarious
@@HellstormWargamingman who gets multiple rules wrong and always in his favour interviews man who changes rules he doesn’t like sounds like a great basis of an interview 😂
Can’t wait to listen
This is what happens when communists run Warhammer tournaments.
'Do you know who I am?!' - Warhammer's most famous mic stand
The French really should have called out the English for running an archer skew army at Agincourt rather than an actually proper army.
I think the phrase you are looking for is "Disconnected from reality", regarding the TO.
In 8ed fantasy there was a system some tournament had for every factions/units gived points on a list on how strong army was sow cold players with close points wold be mathed upp to eths others.
There was, but this is a new system not 8th Ed. Seems weird to comp it so early for such a large event
@@HellstormWargaming ye. A wold se a experiment version first after 1 year to try make *balance* but let players play tournaments for now and take data from what units used alot and factions, and combos that players find. Where a live is more casual sow even pepol who havent played warhamer fantasy sins 2006-2008 is coming back now here.
While I agree there should be some better clarification of examples to ensure it’s less vague in execution. Honestly the fact they’re trying to oppose the beardy meta focus that’s taken over 40K before it affects their tournament in Old World I can completely understand
I want the lord breonnian on "my mini pony"! An intere army on that concept would be amazing
It's a different type of tournament.
If people want to go then let them.
Not my cup of tea tho.
no beardy lists ?! But muh dwarf beards 😱
"that goes into the book"
*grudgingly scribbles into a way too large book while grunting into a beard*
People like this organizer are why WHFB died in the first place.
It’s very that
40k events abandoned such silly things and look how it grew.
WHFB (and thier events) died due to the neckbeards.
Old World - return of the Gate Keeping neckbeards!
This is right up there with the Gatekeeping Historical players who get pissy if your Epaulettes/Epaulets are the wrong shade of green for your Napoleonic era 95th Rifles....
This is the way of thinking that put me off tournaments for years thankfully Mikey is a based humanbeing and changed my mindset now look I’m of the them meta players 😂
You’re king energy now
There was a time I was super excited to take a break from 40k and visit Warhammer fantasy outside of the total war series. This was back when I thought I was gonna be able to do a Kislev army... oops.
Same
Hi, I'd like to gatekeep how you, build paint and select your army. Forced diversity ftw.
While i agree alot of the rules here are silly, i will say that this absolutely feels like how comp was judged back in pre-AoS Warhammer.
There was a point where some players came up with a strict set of comp rules for Warhammer armies, which included points lost for taking certain unit combos or spamming OP units. But before that, yeah - comp was totally judged subjectively by your opponents and/or the TOs.
Gotta love shoehorning in an impromptu cosplay and painting contest. Random points depending on the judge's taste.
"Neckbeard" comments are absolutely bang on. I love a fluffy themed list for a fun game. But whoever came up with this set up for a competitive tournament set up is clearly butthurt about having lost in previous tournaments
I don't understand, just have a narrative event and a competitive event, two different player bases. Everyone is happy.
Well guess I'm not playing old-world if every interaction with the community is that complicated
Event organisers seem to be stuck in the idea that prizing at tournaments should reflect in game performance.
I like the intent of the organiser but i think you can achieve a similar outcome using softer tools that remove a strong incentive to win the event and push nore evidence on attendance/throwing dice.
Plenty of people juat attend events to play games and unfortunately most events are called 'tournaments'.
I think the main issue here is this seems more like a narrative event rather than tournament or competitive event.
There needs to be a more defined view for both types and the structure, mental approach etc, to be more inclusive for the community.
Narrative events should have a more extensive list of limitations or bonuses depending on the organiser behest and encourage more story to be built in the game like this event appears to do.
Thes MAJOR downfall here though however is that he’s branded it as tournament, which I totally agree, it clearly isn’t!
I'm sorry guys, April Fools is next month.
They’re all dressed as jesters for those rubric points!
They used almost the 8th edition rules for ETC tournament ^^
My fav part of the theme rule is, what if you just started collecting stuff and just have starter box?
People go to tournaments for different reasons. Rewarding hobbyist endeavours isnt a negative in my opinion.
However changing the game rules to that extent seems overly intrusive.
I’m not unsympathetic to what the TO is trying to do. They clearly want to run an event where the look and feel of the ‘thing’ is more important than any victory. But very odd they decided a tournament is the place to do it. Just run a nice narrative event, and leave the tournament organising to others.
Yeah, NOVA is just shooting themselves in the foot with this. This is like the worst house rules I have seen for scoring and army comp..
My main issue is all the insane rubrics for painting and such. Seems really bizarre
For the record, this isnt "nova" per say. But the single EO who is running ToW. It's all effectively sub contracted with different EO's and communities running different events. There isnt a large scale decision making process on which rules are okay or not. @@HellstormWargaming
People complain about imaginary unfun competitive neckbeards that they become one themselves by making rules like this lol
Honestly Nova looks like a tourney I’d have liked
This is insane. You wouldn't believe it if you didn't show it. It's like the same people who do "battle report" on Warhammer plus.
Who ever goes to an event with these ridiculous guidelines deserves what they get
Respectfully, painting rubics are awesome.
Some people go to tournaments JUST to compete in the painting category and giving them the rubric so they know what to work on to win is such an amazing for those people.
If you are going just to win, then just ignore the painting rubric. I don't put my stuff up for the painting awards, so I just ignore the rubric and paint my stuff like how I like. It literally doesn't affect me so I don't care.
Everything else in this packet is very vague though, and it should be as thoroughly laid out as the painting rubric, so people can properly compete.
The painting rubric is part of the points for winning the tournament, and I would say a large chunk!
I’m never against an award for sportsmanship and painting, and I reward them highly at my own events.
Forcing bringing a display board as part of the rankings is very strange imo
At what point do you just say there’s a separate painting competition and leave it at that 😅
@@HellstormWargaming oh I misunderstood that it was necessary to win the event. I think it's an interesting way to do it. I also think it's cool for TOs to play with the scoring like this. Not every event is going to be for every potential attendee. I probably wouldn't go to this event if it didn't have separate awards for separate parts of the hobby, but other people might really like that. It would just be nice if the list comp, lore, theme, etc parts of the scoring were as thoughtfully laid out and as clear as the painting rubric.
I think it's okay to just say 'this isn't the event for me' instead of getting so upset about it. Other TOs are going to feel the same as you and run events you like. And if the community at large decides that this antiquated way of running events isn't to their taste then TOs will have to adapt or bow out due to poor ticket sales.
As cringe as you think this tournament is, I'm not gonna lie, this was hard to watch. I just don't think it's worth getting that invested in. But maybe I'm missing something that would explain the huge reaction? If I did I look forward to being respectfully educated.
Yeah this tournament sounds unfun, but I will give a TO props for actually putting on a tournament the way they want to play it and not just whining on social media. Its up to the players to decide whether or not they can play a tournament with those rules and comps.
What about the lance rule Michael, what about the lance rule?
That’s the next video x
This reminds me of how they killed xwing because a few new designers clearly couldn’t win games with the current rules so had to blow up the whole system to where THEY had the most fun. Alex Davey if you’re out there I miss you, xwing 2.0 out of the launch with the conversion packs was the best game ever.
I feel TO's are free to decide whatever comp they want for a tourney. If people dont like it, then don't play.
But I agree all or most of the score criticism. No more than 10% should come from non-gamescore sources.
Maaate do you even warhammer army?
Is this a golden ticket event? 😅
You should DM him and ask for an interview. He has a UA-cam channel.
Fug me, even as an obvious Grognard (And sometime campaign event organiser) myself this is like a giant red flag
This is definitely the worst pack ever created for a warhammer game
Can’t disagree
Sadly it's basically the same as the old WHFB GT packs from 20 years ago. I'll have to post up the old event pack from the 2002 Baltimore GT. Lots of 'grognards' holding onto the past with these new packs.
Makes AoS 1st edition rules look nice
As a painter over a hard core gamer I think these painting/sporting "things are ott". Do I like playing against beautifully painted armies, yes, does everyone want to put that effort in/enjoy that half of the hobby, no. Painting/sports elements should be separate to the gaming.
The only comment I do have on the sportsman element is that having an idea of what constitutes a 5 or 1 can be helpful, was at an event recently where the TO had to ask people to think more carefully about sports vote as multiple people had really high scores because people were going I enjoyed that game a 5 XD however the level of the above is still over-reaching
[leans in real close to the mic] those aren't rules and no one can enforce this
I'm a big fan of higher paint requirements at events, and requiring uniformity across the army. Borrow hammer and extremely rushed paint jobs to meta chase, both look awful and lead to some feels bads. If you didn't have time to paint the army you probably didn't have time to learn it. I do have to say though that this Old World events sounds awful.
The painted session is absurd as always been and as useless as usual
why should anyone pay to attend that event!? that T.O seems like they enjoy power trips
What about those of us who agree and dont like herohammer
Then call it what it is. A home brew meetup
You dont have to take maxed out heroes in your list
Imagine actually trying to be competitive and taking serious a wargame based on D6s lmao
100% would rather attend one of your Tourneys than Nova at this point.
You should. Should I run old world wvents and show how it should be done? 😂
@@HellstormWargaming Yes, definitely you should. And if I ever manage to get across the pond, I'd love to attend one.
Nova is a joke event, has been for years this is beyond unsurprising the TO is just a bellend
Oh, poor you :) Great ruleset. Not a fan of 35%. Everything else is good. Make your own boring ass event for meta chasers.
narrative players are the absolute worst. I rather not play than deal with this nonsense
Don't like the rules, don't participate.
See it's easy, no need to act like the smug lord of tournaments.
You organize tournaments how you want and they how they want.
If they want to prevent their tournament from being a competitive only and metachasing event then good. It's really tiring to see and hear all this meta this and meta that everywhere in videogames and it's really sad and pathetic that people are ready to spend hundreds or more to chase the meta instead of building and painting COOL minis and who cares about their stats and abilities...
except this also prevents some armies from being able to be ran in any meaningful and competitive way at all.
Tough luck for you, the to didnt find your flavor cool so instead of winning the tournament because you won all 5 games 2500-0, you got 6th place
These old school rules are what turned me off from playing in the Warhammer FB GTs back in the early 2000s.
Listening to this all I can think is, "these rules are designed to keep this exact kind of person out." 🤣 only fair criticism is that these are narrative leaning rules for a competitive events.
Dude wants details or elaboration on rules one second and then balks at details and elaboration 😂
Man... forgot about the hobby in the warhammer hobby. Go play an RTS if all you care about is the gameplay 😂
Follow up: that NoVa spanish joke is solid tho....
A tournament is a test of skill in a competitive environment dude. Leave the cosplay and display boards in a narrative setting