Could Darth Maul and Ahsoka Really Destroy Sidious and Darth Vader?
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Anakin would've low diffed Maul in a 1v1 duel.
Sidious let the fight with savage and maul. The entire fight was him styling on him. You can tell because he force pushed them into the wall. He could've force choked them to deat at any time
You forgot one important factor. Vader and Sidious have been training too.
Sidious: As Emperor, now has access to EVERYTHING. As he says, Unlimited Power. Which means all hidden knowledge at the Jedi Temple, vast resources, and nobody to stop him.
Vader: Dark Suit Darth Vader has finally matured. His loss of limbs forced himself to get even better. Anakin never had to train hard. Vader must train and never stops.
Does anyone know what the music is for this video?
I just want to point out that Maul was talking about the two of them defeating Sidious together, not Sidious and Vader. Anakin hadn't gone to the dark side at the time of the conversation, and the only things that Maul said about Anakin, was that he had been groomed to replace Dooku, and that Maul wanted to kill him before he joined Sidious. Maul's argument is that they can defeat Sidious together, destroying a common enemy that otherwise will go unchecked and rise to conquer the galaxy
I think the point is that Maul and Ahsoka can cripple the infant empire due to Mauls knowledge and Ahsokas connection to Anakin not that they could defeat the two Sith in combat
Georg Bergsten
Agreed. Perhaps there was a way to deactivate the chips, alert the banks and senate of the plan, alert the Jedi, etc.
Not a 2v2
@Georg Bergsten my thoughts exactly
@Oddwolf 799 well there’s also Vader it’s not just sidious
@Oddwolf 799 hmm that’s a good question then I think obi wan maul and Ahsoka would beat Sidious obi wan is a little lower than Anakin Ahsoka is like another maul
I agree. I think she could thwart Sidious by preventing Anakin from turning. If so, then its more like anakin, aksoka, and maul v sidious.
this made me realize how trash ros ending was, these are literally trained people and then some girl with 2 lightsabers kills the whole senate
kumppari u mean sequel was trash ended
And kills him with his own lightning. They pretty much trashed Sidious.
@@togkrul Rise of Skywalker*
BuT ShE HaD All OF ThE JeDi BeHiND HeR! Whatever that means.. At least they chipped in eventually I guess.. They probably could of been useful at some point before the end of episode 9 but hey ho
For a second there I thought you were talking about prequels. Then I saw Rey, and everything made sense, lmao.
Maul litteraly states he cannot take vader alone. on his level my ass maul is very good but he did wear in his age and got killed in three strikes by kenobi
Emperor Tano lmao ur right Vader could kill both maul and Ahsoka in a 2v1 he was dominating the fight against Ahsoka and she wasn’t the priority either
By feats and statements by the writers the put vader relative to sidious and a fight between them could go either way. Vader or sidious can just ragdoll the two
@@scerkann3966 what if vader and sidious decide to forgo lightsaber combat and engage in a force battle against ahsoka and Maul?
Hyperion R they would still win emperor is more powerful in the force than Vader but not my too much and Vader was the most powerful lightsaber duelist in canon Vader is more powerful in the force than Ahsoka and Maul and Sidious was more powerful in the force than Vader I believe
Emperor Tano He was killed in three strikes because Kenobi baited him with Qui-Gon’s stance, not because Kenobi was the superior duelist. Also Kenobi wasn’t blinded by rage so there’s that.
I feel like no one brings up that Sidious was comfortable fighting Mace and 3 other jedi masters with one lightsaber, but he BROUGHT 2 to fight Maul and Savage. Showing how much he respected Maul's fighting ability.
They stand about a 5% chance.
Damn after watching rise of Skywalker I honestly see maul and ahsoka absolutely destroying Sidious. Our only hope is Vader.
I watched Ahsoka lose to Vader
I also watched Sidious beat Maul
I dont see these 2 beating Vader and Sidious
I will disagree with one thing. Sidious's duel with Maul and Oppress was just him playing with them. Even though Maul might have kept up with Sidious in the 1v1, that was because Sidious was amusing himself...it was a sparring exercise for him. We see this when he overwhelms Maul after the final sabre clench in their fight. He lets Maul get the upper hand for just a second, and then destroys his defense effortlessly.
Ironically, this is one of the reasons why Maul could be a threat to Sidious after his escape. He now knows that you can't beat Sidious in a face to face battle. He instead can use his knowledge to attack the things supporting Sidious's rule. If he wasn't so laser focused on Kenobi, he might have been a threat.
Bryce Byerley Well Sidious’s focus was the force he only used lightsabers in general for fun, so I’m that sense yes, however Maul’s dueling skills definitely were near equal with Sidious’s, Sidious was just overpowered in the force like Yoda, and Legends Luke.
Actually Maul only manages to beat Sidious if he catches him off guard surprises him.
Otari Muradishvili I agree
@Oddwolf 799 hmm now that would've been a good fight
Bryce Byerley maul has always been admired by sidious because he is so resilient that he constructed a crime syndicate so large and powerful that sidious knew it was to dangerous to be left up to grievous and dooku and sidious is a better duellist than anyone and all of his duels have been orchestrated but potentially Ahsoka could talk to Anakin as they would have while Anakin was still on the light and then it could be won also Ahsoka was able to match Vader and with maul they’d win also they would know both of their masters plans and power
Maul is much more intelligent than most. His training forged his toughness, skill and intelligence
Darth Tyus and he uses his athleticism
@@sbattle9298 that's the reason why he's one of my personal favorites .
I’m going to be honest I thing Darth maul is like the best “fighter” in the Star Wars universe. He’s like captain America or black panther or any 100% combatant marvel character like he has it all he has the tactics, intelligence, and skill like he has it all. The problem is that he is lacking in the force. And in Star Wars the force is like everything. It doesn’t matter how much skill you have if someone can just trow you like some ping pong. I’m just saying if Star Wars was like the marvel universe maul would be like the strongest. 0% force powers
mokihappy13 I o no doubt i love all his acrobatic athleticism fighting style which makes him unique in Star Wars and ofc his lightsaber is cool
@@nathanialb9115 Maul uses the force to enhance his speed ,agility , reaction time etc.
The reason Maul isn't as powerful as he could be is his cockyness , he plays around with kenobi in ep 1 he's even overconfident against sith/jedi that are more powerful than him
Imagine if you were told when ahsoka first appeared in the clone wars movie, that today we would be debating whether or not a very possible team of her and the darth maul(still dead at this point) could win against darth vader and sideous because they seriously considered it.
darth sidious shoots lighting at ahsoka then she blocks it and kills him like rey did with two lightsabers
Commander Shepard the end
LMAOOOO
yeah really wish someone told Luke that instead of throwing his down he should have picked up his dads.
No that was bullshit
Y’all really don’t understand. Not anyone can just deflect force lightning. Rey had the Jedi last behind her, pushing her through the force.
This is actually really interesting and you’ve made valid points
Thanks!
Key Issues I think that if both maul and Ahsoka took Vader at the same time they might have a chance of beating him
@@novustalks7525 I agree
@@novustalks7525 i really dont believe that... If you read the comics vader goes vs 8 jedi and kinda kills the 5 alone. He is a beast Who opened the force itself in the comics! Just my opinion tho.
Gero true but maul took on an entire venator worth of clones and killed most of them without any weapons
Pretty sure Maul's plan was to undermine Palpy's connection to Skywalker and not to beat him in a duel
That is a good point Maol would know that palpatin would try too get Anakin and Hope that Ashoka could turn him too help them.
Vader's power is heavily dependant on his rage. So, when he faces Ahsoka or Luke, he is at the very weakest of his power. But if he faced Ahsoka with Maul he would be super angry.
Ahsoka working with Maul?
Against Him?
And Vader, when angry, is unstoppable. He has done everything from defeat planetary armies, to break Sidious's force wall on multiple occasions, and even force open dimensional barriers that are being held shut by multiple other force users.
I like Ahsoka, I love Maul, and both are ridiculously underrated... but so is Vader. And at his peak Vader solo's.
But you forget that Maul is THE MOST rage induced character in Star Wars
Shreyas Nerurkar BUT, Vader at his prime bro
@@shreyasnerurkar34 hey, I know you....
Simon Fox That was a cheap shot surprise attack on Sidious. Vader would be able to do that naturally.
@@shreyasnerurkar34 The voice actor that been with Maul through the years said if Maul faced Vader, Maul would be in serious trouble
I think at the moment they’d have 0 chance, vader would just be put in his suit which makes him angrier than ever, and sidious is still young and powerful, ahsoka is still not what she is in rebels yet, and maul is very skilled but still not quite enough
Jay how??!! Rebels Ahsoka is far stronger than she was in the clone wars she grew with age in experience
Darth Vader is far more powerful than Anakin ever was but would never be able to eclipse his former potential. The emotional conflict within Vader(and physical damage) limited what Vader could become. Sidious' skills in combat were far better in ROTS but his force powers would only grow. Even a light side Anakin from ROTS could beat Ahsoka and Maul 1v1. By the events of A New Hope, the two would surely die in a 2v1 duel against Vader.
Jay so ur saying clone wars ahsoka could have took on three inquisitors and stood her ground against vader?
Jay no she’s stronger in rebels due to experience and being tested in combat. Now she may have had more raw force ability in the clone wars before the balance tipped, but her combat prowess and use of force in battle and fighting overall is clearly superior in rebels. Besides her force abilities were stated to be advanced but besides her admittedly impressive precog abilities, she was probably sliGhtly above avg in terms of fighting with the force in a duel
Mark Sonneveld I doubt they would have tried to kill sidious via a duel, rather other sneaker means of assasination. Some poisoned vents here, an unstable ship generator there, and when all else fails probably some sort of ancient super weapon like the temple of malachor 5 or that one in the aphra comics.
I think he meant more along the lines of stopping Sidious from completing the empire not that they can beat him in 2v1 combat.
The definitely can beat them 2 v1 that almost stupid to say they cant lol vader at least
@@charlescc58 No way they kill Sidious 2v1, Vader yea probably. But not Sidious
@@charlescc58 no lol, ahsoka in rebels barely gave vader a fight and with a young sidious, they don't stand a chance in combat
@@ishiddddd4783 maul said by dave him self is vader realm of power I can send you the article if u want
@@tayloroxelgren264 that's who I really ment but after the fight with vader they only get stronger
First they must take Vader
Then confront the emperor
Not to dissimilar to the alliance of revan meetra and Lord scourge
Xennieal chayliss ah, a man of culture I see
Another interesting idea, built off yours of course. Maul could lure Vader in with promises of them confronting Kenobi and finally killing him.
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@@rogersparadox8848 Vader would use maul to find Kenobi, not allow maul to interfere, and also attempt to get maul to join him, perhaps one last attempt to get Kenobi to join them, to confront the emperor
Palpatine was the end of.the rule.of two
Vader was never apart of the rule of two
He.merely replaced maul who also was never apart of.the grandplan
Not even sure Vader even knew the rule of two existed
Lord scourge betrayed revan
A full power vader would be able to handle his own against both at the same time let's be honest. Then sidious already demolished maul and his brother at the same time then let's not get ahead of ourselves kit fisto is likely stronger than ahsoka as well.
Terell Chapman you do realise that Vader being a weak cripple is legends now🤣 in the new canon his injuries didn’t do shit. He is confirmed the best duelist and his force ability in the same Caliber as the emperor... do your research
@@terellchapman8737 for real Vader suit is a huuuge disadvantage
Sidious: *Looks at Vader
Vader: *Looks at Sidious
Both of them: LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Actual history from a galaxy far far away
If Maul and Ahsoka vs Vader alone then they kill him but no chance against palps
Maul and Ahsoka together could probably get close to beating Vader, though ultimately I think he would still trimuph over them.If Sidious is there, they die with ease and much laughter.
No you actually see Vader over power Palpatine if he is mad enough more than once they would get the upperhand at first before Vader puts them on the fours
Vader>palpatine
@@crazedadventurer5717 no
If Maul and Ahsoka disappear right before order 66, train like crazy, and reappear around Return of the Jedi, then maybe, but they would have to have the perfect plan of attack.
@Alex Arnett I know it was a great scene too, I'm just saying IF, Ahsoka joined Maul to take out Sidious and Vadar, that would change their paths. So he wouldn't die on Tatootine because he and Ahsoka would still be training.
Alex Arnett I mean, maul could still live(although the possibility is extremely low) he’s survived worse injuries than the ones he received in the last duel with kenobi
Darth Vader was a war god and sidious was a literal god imo, they won’t stand a chance. They need to take vader before he obtains his red crystal and is not acustomed yet to the suit. And even then he almost killed the Grand inquisitor in a duel. And he was an ex temple guard
THEone RECKER I agree with Vadar and Sidious being virtually Gods, but Ashoka tells Maul in their duel that he is no match for Anakin at that point, remember Anakin in the Bad Bunch arch. I’m going with Ashoka did pretty good against Vadar in Rebels, imagine if her and Maul had been working together to kill Vadar and Sidious, but where both much more powerful than she was in Rebels, they have to take the Vadar and Sidious separately, two on one, then it could be interesting. But not in a fair fight.
@@Lawthefilmmaker If they piss of vader (and maul would definetly do)then they die horribly
Short answer: Hell no.
Long answer: HELLLLLLLLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Maul and Ahsoka would wrap Vader but not Palps
Maul's proven that he has a penchant to play the "long game." From taking over and manipulating the crime syndicates, to even ruling Mandalore for a time, he's quite crafty. While I don't think they could ultimately overcome Sidious and Vader, Maul and Ahsoka, together, would've been a thorn in their side.
Due to the overlapping with Revenge of the Sith, things would depend on when Maul and Ahsoka reached Coruscant. If Ahsoka reached Anakin before he went to the Jedi Temple, then maybe she could save him from turning fully to the dark side and letting it consume him. Anakin was not truly Vader as we know him until after the events of Episode 3.
Now we know the answer. The didnt get even close to Coruscant when was the execution of O R D E R 6 6
Vader 228 she coulda pulled that I am no Jedi thing, and reassuring Anakin that despite the Jedi counsels short comings, killing the youglings isn’t the right thing isn’t the way to move forward rather listening to the force and letting it guide their movements. Plus she could probably get anakin to open up about Padme, and help him to understand that the best way to ensure her safety isn’t to reside in his fear but to instead be by her side to protect her. Abandon the order, no need to destroy it.
I mean Vader could kick their asses. Sidious would dismantle them for fun.
But if Ahsola warned Anakin about Palpatine, it would throw a spanner in his manipulations, maybe even saving him becoming Vader.
But Sidious would get what he wants eventually. It would be a setback, not a true cause for concern. Anakin would eventually try too hard to save Padme or lose her and fall into Palpatine's control.
Ahsola?
Maul has beaten vader in a duel in legends before
You’re giving Ahsoka and maul too much credit, and you’re not giving Vader and sidious enough. This is an ass kicking 99/100 times.
Jesse Brockman Not exactly, another Jedi who could beat Sidious is Mace Windu, and Obi Wan seemed to be on Vader’s level in a New Hope, remember Anakin/Vader never reached his full potential, and Sidious had weaknesses still and could be overpowered, if the Jedi Mace brought with him were prepared Sidious would have stood no chance.
Lord Venom Not at all.
@@justchilling704 the defeat of Sidious from Windu is highly debatable and I am still inclined that Palpatine threw the fight.
@@elijahamores I agree he did seem to throw the fight a bit knowing Anakin would be forced to choose, but George did say Mace defeated Sidious straight up. I take it as him not overexerting himself for a fight he knew he would win regardless. (Since the Jedi would be branded as traitors anyway worst case scenario)
@@ericjiang8948 Yeah Windu outright defeated Palpatine in their lightsaber combat by kicking him. I feel though Palpatine got overconfident as earlier he was already pointing a blade at him, prior to that Palpatine killed three Jedi Masters before him before Mace could react.
Still, cheers to Palps for being the ultimate mastermind from Episode I to IX
They would get wrecked against sidious alone never mind sidious and darth vader...
I say they would put up a very good fight and stand a great chance of winning with years of preparation, good planning and the element of surprise on their side, as long as they fight Sidious wile Vader is away Maul and Ahsoka definitely have good chance of winning.
Well Ashoka was already doing good against Vader as a matter of fact I’m pretty sure when they fought it ended in a draw.
Hard no. Ahsoka is arguably a better combatant than Savage, and this time around Maul would be using his double bladed lightsaber which he is far more skilled with as opposed to his dual wielding in his fight against a Sidious with Savage. Pair those facts with Maul training Ahsoka to use the dark side, I say they could definitely defeat Sidious.
@@lordmaul7278 ???
@@michaelterrell5061 Vader was playing with ahsoka
I think it’s totally possible.
A big factor is that both Maul and Ashoka are proven to be ultra resourceful and sneaky, while both Vader and Sidious have shown to be susceptible to craftiness and unpredictability as they rely on sheer force as the more powerful generally do.
Short answer: No, Maul would get destroyed by Sideous and Ahsoka after a long battle of endurance and skill would fall to the 3 limbed, unburnt and undefeated Lord Vader
Do you think Vader could have come across ashoka before he fought obi wan and not returned to the light? Hed only just fallen partially that day, put ashoka in front of him and he might just see sense
@@TREDxMUSIC might have been too late after all he's done. It was still quite fresh, killing younglings, killing mace windu. Add to that the fact that he is still laser focused on saving Padme.
This is just making me imagine how awesome an Ahsoka and Maul series would be.
That would have been awesome!
I like your video, but I don't agree. In the future, both Sidious and Vader increase their power and skill multiple times over. Especially Vader who had to retrain himself to fight in the suit. If Vader showed up while Maul was at the Sith temple on Malachor, so I believe Vader would have won. He specialized in killing lightsaber wielding foes. Maul might be a quite challenge, but I still think Vader would take him. His force powers would be much stronger than Maul as Maul is primarily a melee fighter and not much of a force user outside of force choke and telekinesis.
I love maul, but most of this beyond Maul being superior to Qui Gon and Obi Wan... simply isn’t true. Anakin and Obi Wan against Savage was a fluke, they had no idea what they were walking into and were not prepared one bit for this enraged psycho. Obi Wan did manage to win and only when Maul saw that they would lose did he get rid of Obi Wan, if he was so much superior to him he would’ve took him out himself. And then Maul being a match for Vader... that... is just not true in the slightest. Maul quite literally states he cannot fight Vader. Let’s also not forget, at the first whisper of Vader’s presence he bolted. He got the hell out of there. When Sidious appeared, not just in clone wars but also son of dathomir, he stayed to fight. Maul is a ferocious opponent but Vader is an unstoppable one. Hell, Sidious didn’t even fear maul, if he did he would’ve brought Dooku and/or Grievous with him to take on Maul and Savage. Vader however... Sidious was TERRIFIED of him. He took multiple precautions against Vader, and Vader proved they were no match for him. When he managed to turn his suit back on after Cylo completely disabled it, damn was Sidious afraid. Mans also opened a whole ass dimension through sheer will. To say Maul, a guy who stood toe to toe with a padawan at his prime, is a match for Vader... is a completely asinine statement.
thx god one comment with common sense
Sidious brought Dooku and Grevious to fight Mauls mother, who WAS stronger than him in the force, due to magic. RIP Mauls mother, she got 3v1 to death. It's clear that Sidious does not see Maul as in the same league as his mother was. Otherwise, you're right, he'd have brought Grevious and Dooku again.
Vedaant Bhat basically
@@ttv_mrjack6749 well Maul fought Mace WIndu and Aayla Secura at the same time
i mean ahsoka is so much more powerful than rey and she killed palpatine 😂
green gorilla Rey had all the jedis with her
At the time Rey defeated palpatine she was the strongest Jedi/sith/force wielded to ever live how bullshit it is. Even before getting all the Jedi kylo Ren as much as I hate to say it was said to have more power than even Vader.
I find your lack of faith.....
Dank
Honestly i think maul is the most disrespected, underrated sith ever
He is cool but no powerful, Ashoka beat him before even completing her Jedi training and he lost to kenobi in 3 strikes. Vader would destroy him so would sidious
3rd best red lightsaber user, and if u actually know how deep the fight between him and obi wan u would understand
Yeah no maul would technically be the best red lightsaber wilder considering Palpatine no longer has one. Vader is a legit crippled. Just look at the difference between the rouge one scene and Mauls hallway scene, he’s by far more there with the force...and I’m not even going to mention lightsaber combat.
Terell Chapman your a complete fool, in canon vader was the best lightsaber duelist followed by sidious then maul. Vader is the second most gifted force user after sidious. And how can you compare live action feats to that of a cartoon. Vader would slap maul about
Terell Chapman in the new canon, Vader’s injuries barely affected him if not boosted him through changing his mindset. Understand this before coming into the conversation
This is actually really interesting and you’ve made valid points
Novus Talks I think it would be smart to desperate Vader from the Emperor, 2v1 them separately.
@@justchilling704 I agree
Deshaun Allison Goad someone does, it seems some people have issue with the valid points made in this video.
@@justchilling704 Yeah people seem to think Vader is unbeatable for some reason. I know he is a powerhouse in both force power and saber skill. But Maul and Ahsoka are very powerful in their own right, and underestimated imo. To think he could beat them both I just don't think he could, maybe he would, but I'd bet my money with Maul and Ahsoka on this one
@@carnage3208 the thing is after reading a lot of star wars and Vader comics, I learned a few things. The more Vader suffers the more powerful he becomes. in a 1v1 fight none stand a chance in a 2v1 fight I imagine the fight to be very close where Ashoka and Maul have the upper hand throughout most of the fight. As long as they attack him fast and finish him fast they can win cause Vader would still be calm and collected. but drag it on for Vader to go apeshit rage mode, than they are in trouble. So I agree with you that Vader isn't unbeatable. In most of his missions, he comes back with a completely damaged suit. So I think the victor is decided in what condition the fight starts, not how the fight itself flows although that is important as well.
I actually thought it was legit
In the comics a Darth Maul clone nearly killed Vader
In the clone Wars maul wasn't ready for sidious to show up but still held his own at the end
In rebels series we see Ahsoka actually make Vader work for it so is say she could beat him
Combined they could beat them 🤷
nah, darth sidious was toying with them clearly when he fought savage and maul. There's no way a younger ahsoka could beat her master turned to the dark side as well one on one with no help, as maul would be fighting for his life all alone against sidious. If maul and his brother couldnt beat sidious, there's no way replacing savage with ahsoka AND adding Vader would end well for them
That comic isn’t canon so you you could use it to with the Clone Wars up to S6 but not with Rebels or CS S7.
I haven’t seen the vid yet but Canon Vader Force choke slammed Sidious as soon as he got off the operating table.
One issue is that he has no lightsaber for a tiny bit after he got the suit. I think a VS then would be interesting.
Fighting him as Vaderpre-suit with the blue saber is impossible imo.
1. That clone was stronger than normal Maul
2. Sidious wrecked him easily
3. Vader won though
@@Redoren966 That comic isn't even canon to Legends as it's branded with the "Infinities" logo.
@@CRISIS_COMICS Even if it was they mentioned perfecting the clone
When you put it like that it makes sense, but let's be real they wouldn't stand a chance in a duel of any kind. Either Vader or sidius would wreck both if them by himself.
Sidious yes, but I don't think Vader is going to "wreck" these versions of Maul & Ahsoka all by himself. He might win but it would be a really tough fight.
@@RandomGuy285 no Vader is extremely powerful. He is the best Jedi Hunter by far. The movies don't do him justice. He can take multiple Jedi at once. He can level entire armies with the force. His power and hatred would absolutely destroy them especially if it was right after he got his suit.
@@RandomGuy285 Read the Vader comics, Ashoka and Dark Maul together wouldn't last long. Even though Vader is nowhere near where he could've been if he hadn't been injured, he's still more than a match for them. If Vader hadn't been injured, he would've been twice as powerful as Sidious, (twice) that's right. His power was reduced by around 40% but, he is still technically more powerful than Sidious. Only problem is that his suit was designed to severely limit him against Sidious. Ashoka and Maul simply wouldn't stand a chance against either Vader or Sidious.
@@joeshmoe6908 actually I think it was stated that he loss 60% of his power
I mean, considering the fact that Ahsoka held her own against Vader, if you pair her up with Maul they would definitely be able to handle Vader.
Nope.
A much stronger, wiser Ahsoka lost to Vader during Rebels, likewise Darth Maul was CRUSHED by Obi Wan in 3 strikes during the same time period.
They have next to no chance.
To be fair, obi wan specifically devised a strategy to beat him very quickly like that by reacting the final exchange between qui gon and maul, but twisting it in his favor this time.
Yes but they weren’t training to overthrow them. They were mostly just chillin out
Yeah.... also.... DARTH VADER.
You telling me Anakin wouldn't have issues against Ahsoka BEFORE Obi-Wan turns him into sushi? It wouldn't just be a hand-to-hand fight. It would be a psychological battle as well as a physical one. When he was Darth Vader and had gone through all that brainwashing.... yeah, of course he could beat Ahsoka. Although, she did what not many Jedi had been able to do. She actually *wounded* Vader.
The real question is could have Ahsoka found a way to turn Vader back into Anikin way before Luke did. What if it was Her, maul, and Obi Wahn vs Vader, she wouldn't have left him to die. After that and him knowing his kids were alive then who knows. The real question is what would have happened if maul and Ahsoka joint forces in the chamber when maul offered to. Not to mention if she also told Yoda the Anikin may be turning to the dark side.
Maul wasn't taking kenobi seriously because he thought that he was old and fragile.
On top of that, Kenobi didn't defeat him by dueling him, but he outsmarted him in an extreme way
Lmao, no. Sidious could easily beat them both by himself.
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@@bills1377 true
Do you think Maul and Ahsoka force shield can stand up to anything The Senate can throw force wise? No? Then the conversation is over. You know he is going to fall back on the force. That's what he does.
Lol I thought it was really weird when he said that. Loved the episode, but even if they teamed up what would they have done? I feel like if this took place just before Anakan killed Dooku itd make more sense. But once Dooku is out of the way, and Anakin has his dreams of Padme it’s pretty much a done deal
I don't think Maul was planning on a fair fight, no way they could win that.
When is part 2 of the ranking all forceusers coming?
Soonish
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Defeating Sidious by crippling his empire in its infancy would be a lot easier and more effective than trying to take that old kook in a fight.
Maul wasn't trying to kill Ahsoka, his offer surprisingly was genuine and when he gains the advantage again, offers it again. Maul is a Sith and Sith fight at their best when filled with rage, fury and hatred(unless you're Sidious where you just laugh the whole time). He had none of this for her. He would have had this for Anakin, who is the Sidious' supposed "key". He also probably wouldn't have given him a fair fight and killed/attacked him on sight.
Maul and Ahsoka, if we're to throw out the original movies and all established lore, would have probably bested Vader. They could have done it in Rebels if they worked together at that moment and way more easily if they've been working together this whole time. Maul would have his sanity and someone to grow stronger off of, and Ahsoka would have have grown aswell. Then taking on Sidious would be an easier time, but still i'd think the odds would be against them in a 2v1 "fair" fight, but these 2 probably could just assassinate the dude, being that they're probably masters at hiding their presence now. And because this isn't just a "would 2v2 or 2v1 win" but more of if they teamed up here, would they win... then we can include the obvious that would have eventually met up with Obi-wan and Yoda and the baddest teamup ever to curbstomp some old man would have taken place.
You said Darth Maul and Vader are even, even tho Maul admit in Rebels that he couldnt take vader alone. I mean he literally activated the temple to be confident on taking Vader and potientially Sidious.
Ahsoka almost killed vader on her own LMAO!
@@qevon244 when she caught him off gaurd.
@@good_dominic4995 ashoka stood no chance of defeating Vader for their entire fight ahsoka is on the defensive and Vader could have killed her if he dropped down
@@firstnamelastname595 replied to the wrong person bruh
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Sidious did say in the canon comics that he feared how dangerous Maul was with a Saber and in his fight against Sidious he was having to make up for Savages lack of skill.
Sidious even said that he planned his master plan included Maul but then he was cut in half and found Anakin. Had those things not of happened, Maul would’ve been a part of the empire
Ahsoka and Maul could do it
No he never said that also Darth Vader would replace Maul
397 Llederson if you read some of the Star Wars comics or type in on UA-cam what Palpatine thought of Maul you’ll find it
@@mattcalloway6254 Where more than once Palpatine said otherwise and used Dooku who was more dangerous,skilled and powerful by Obi-wan of all people
@@michaelking2449 What?
Yes Darth Mail
No. It would be for Sidious slightly harder than fighting the brothers. And he did that with absolute casualty.
He was playing with them
But Maul has trained so much since then, and I am probably stronger then savage so I'd say we have a chance
@@lucamaddalena2521 you're not stronger than Savage. At that point in time you were only a bit more skilled. Even if you were superior to Savage in every way and Maul was superior to his past self in every way it wouldn't mean much. Sidious killed 3 Jedi masters at once and matched master Yoda. The only man who has actually beaten Sidious is Mace Windu, and that's because his Vapaad technique is basically the kryptonite of every dark side opponent. Even if it was Maul, Savage and you against Sidious he would still come out of top. Sidious is among the top 3 most powerful Force users of all time. Beating him is not a simple task.
@@TheRealBruhGod I said *a chance*
@@lucamaddalena2521 yea your best chance would be blow him up from orbit.
Maul said: " i can't deafeat vader alone"
Facts
Oh c'mon maul was like 165 years old in rebels that don't count
Lord Humungus age doesn’t matter yoda was damn near 900 yet with the force he was faster than all
@@chrischika7026 yh but Yoda kept fit doing gym and training everyday
That was 20 year later Maul was more powerful than Anakin at this point in the timeline
The power levels in clone wars are a bit weird. So apparently Savage was able to fight Anakin + Obi-Wan, yet Maul (his superior) was defeated by Anakin’s former padowan, who still doesn’t quite match his strength.
Savage overpowered them with a surprise burst of rage and it’s pretty clear that he’s just big and strong with no technique. At this point, Ahsoka has been trained by Anakin, Obi Wan, AND Yoda and spent the last several years of her life fighting dark acolytes and in a galactic war.
I don’t feel maul was defeated by Ahsoka tbh
Maul didn’t wanna kill Ashoka tho he wanted her to join forces with him and mauls at his peak performance when enraged but he’s not enraged when dueling Ahsoka
@@YungFlightRisk Also this. Ahsoka was pushing herself even past her extremes just to keep up.
I think Ahsoka and Maul together might have been able to maybe take on Vader, not a chance on Palpatine though.
Not even against Vader I doubt
Mr. J Honestly with how well Ahsoka did against Vader, I’m sure Maul could do just as good if not maybe even a little better. Together they’d have a good shot.
The Man Well if you consider getting thrown off a temple after a 3 minute engagement good.... Ashoka managed to strike Vader with a surprise attack, other then that Vader was always on the offensive. Ashoka and maul would probably have a chance at Vader, but it would likely end in a win for Vader. Not even considering if they manage to make it to Sidous
@@theman6705 Vader literally almost killed Ashoka in their first encounter. Threw her off the building and nearly decapitated her. She did well but still would of lost. If they both dueled together than maybe they stand a chance. But if Vader resorts to using the force, their dead. Don't forget Vader's force feats from the comic, movies, and the video game fallen order.
Lol, no. Vader would have an unfathomable amount of anger towards Maul for the past years and would cut him to ribbons.
He'd then play with Ahsoka till she escaped
What if maul and savage killed sidious.
Also the animation in phantom apprentess is on point
They used mocap and even got Ray Park to reprise his role. Also, they didn't limit the frame rate to 15 fps as is common with fighting sequences to make it look faster and more dramatic. That's why it looks so fluid.
Maul seemed really powerful in the force in the new episode of the clone wars I mean if you’ve seen it he was just destroying many clones and decapitating them with metal panels with ease. I think they could have a shot
powerful?? I agree, compared to vader or palpatine?? Nope
Respect your opinion. However a couple of things:
First, Maul is less skilled than Kenobi by the Clone Wars. Kenobi only lost the first time because he was ambushed and tortured before the fight. When he was fighting fresh against Maul and Oppress on Florum he dominates them.
Second: There were several moments in the Sidious fight where he was smiling or he was sighing in boredom. He wasn’t even trying. The fight was so loved because we got to see how powerful Sidious is.
Third: Ahsoka by the end of the Clone Wars is on the level as Luke in Ep6. A proficient Jedi Knight, but not a true master yet. Most of the lightsaber fights Ahsoka was in during the Clone Wars the enemy was either toying with her or holding back (exempt for Pre Visla)
Fourth: By the time of Rebels. I would agree, Ahsoka has reached mastery, only Jedi Masters can go blow to blow with Vader, and she dominates against the inquisitors (they are designed for proficient Padawans to mid level Knights). However, it was still one sided. Every strike that Ahsoka parried, staggered her, and when they locked blades it took her everything had to keep Vader from overpowering her.
Final thought: Overall fight between Maul and Ahsoka vs Sidious and Vader would be a complete stomp in either era. Even Yoda was unable to beat Sidious and he was the most powerful Jedi at the time. And Obi Wan admitted that Anakin was the better fighter and he barely won. When Anakin got the suit, he spent nearly every day preparing for 20 years to kill his former teacher. Meaning was preparing for an encounter with Ep3 Kenobi. What the hell does Ahsoka have against that. Based off Rebels buying time for the crew to escape.
I totally agree with this when he scaled maul above anakin and obi wan I almost choked, im not saying maul is a bad duelist but putting him above the two most battle hardened generals of the clone Wars is kinda nonsense. Even ashoka said you're lucky Anakin didn't show up lol
Based on this logic old Ben is on the same level as sidious or even greater considering the ease he took out maul. Again no slight to maul but vader would be able to beat him quiet soundly, maul doesnt have the moveset or skills to stand up to vader let alone palpatine. It is stated that palpatine hates lightsaber dueling and only pulls them out to have fun in a sense all I saw with their duel is a old man enjoying himself and decided to end it after he got bored. In my opinion palps isn't that great of a duelist and I put vader above him in pure lightsaber technique he just has a ridiculous power of the force that let's him compete with anyone ugh this video kinda irked me lol.
Yoda could have beaten sidious
@@soulessace2024 No he couldn't have
Ashoka is on par with Maul, if not stronger. They are both stronger than Master level, but not quite as strong as Grand Master.
Anakin and Obi Wan reached that level in ROTS, where Anakin took down Count Dooku who could goe to toe with Yoda ( Although that Dooku was weakened ) and Obi Wan could take on an even more powerful Anakin.
Darth Vader can stomp no diff Master level fighters ( in the comics or for exemple in fallen order, where he casually destroyed Cere who was a Master )
Maul and Ashoka could give Vader a real run for his money but Vader would eventually win
I think it's silly if you think Maul suggested such an idea on just power levels since Maul already knows he can't beat sidious realistically in a duel and if he thinks that all Jedi are doomed anyway, he likely didn't mean attacking sidious or vader head on with ahsoka or just by training together, though I think that could be a small part of it especially like that old guy on Dathomir from Jedi Fallen Order the go to the route of seeking knowledge and from other world's.
Mauls best consistent skill is his use of tactics and his brain despite arrogance as seen in his power in consolidation of Mandalore and capturing of Dooku n Grievous in the Son of Dathomir Comic . If him and Ahsoka just teamed up, it would be more realistic that he'd try and lure Vader into a trap by letting one of crime syndicates provide intel to the empire of a Jedi presence somewhere and eliminate him that way attacking him in a way that could damage his suit or something while Ahsoka uses her more diplomatic skills as seen clone wars and setting up a type of rebellion to aid this scheme and later plans to topple sidious. It could still easily fail if Ahsoka trys to talk with Vader as she feels for Anakin and could mess up the whole thing but more realistic. Ahsoka would argue Vader could be captured in his weakened state but Maul made sure he was killed.
Maul hopefully if spending enough time under Ahsoka could release some hatred for Obi Wan at least to some degree and become a less evil mostly now just angry almost friend to Ahsoka. Ahsoka meets the star wars rebels crew like in Canon when doing her thing, they might start doing more risky threats to imperial operations. Both could keep trying to build up alliances and armies at the same time to counter the empire holding out for a future strike, Ahsoka making her rebellion ties and Maul likely in his crime syndicates and mandolorian splinter groups and seperatist remnants and other groups he might use his knowledge to search for defeating the empire and no doubt hunting inquisitors along the way and extracting imperial intel.
Obi Wan would eventually come out the shadows in the original trilogy with Luke and the original plot only this time Obi Wan won't have to deal with Vader and will likely be able to defeat the new inquistors for sidious. Obi wan however would sense sidous was nearby and tell Luke to run fighting him shortly to buy time for Luke and dying quickly in the process . Ahsoka would confront Leia and the resistance further n then Luke n the OT group will discover Maul and Luke would train under his persuasion to gain some skill while in the rebellion showing him the darker side of the force. They all as a unified force would destroy the first death star and crush empires forces with some unfortunate causalities.
The Empire strikes back occurs as normal but Obi Wans ghost warns Luke not to listen to Maul as he will be like Vader by doing so and to find Yoda to be set on the right path. Sidious would view the rebellion qnd even more of a threat eliminating a lot of Maul's crime syndicates making Mail operate even more in the shadows. When Luke later wants to go Bespin to help his friends who been captured by Sidious' new apprentice, Yoda argues against it but Luke leaves and convinces Maul to help to which Maul reluctantly agrees and they after a long duel will suceed and escape. To which sidious would make things a personal matter...
If Maul and Ahsoka had gone after Darth Vader shortly after the events of Episode 3, before the Inquisitors are a big enough threat to go through, they could've taken him out. In the first year or so of the Empire, Vader was still getting used to his suit and adapting his dueling style to compensate for his lack of mobility and flexibility like he had before. If Maul and Ahsoka could have planned well enough to catch Vader when he was alone or only with a small contingent of Stormtroopers, they could win. Especially when Vader is seeing pure red at seeing Ahsoka, he may become 'stronger' due to the dark side, but at that point I'm not sure if he has enough control to let it affect is lightsaber dueling skills. And since Maul and Ahsoka are much more nimble, working together they could easily put him on the back foot. Now whether or not they can win should Ahsoka discover Vader's identity is unknown as I'm not sure Ahsoka would still want to kill him. But given she would've spent plenty of time with Maul at that point, she might've still gone through with it. At that point, Sidious would basically have to take the strongest Inquisitor as his new apprentice which would be a significant downgrade from Vader.
TheXehanorto You're underestimating Vader too much, when he literally continued to kill countless Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters after getting the suit. Those Jedi he killed aren't fodders either, and yet still end up dying by his hands.
TheXehanorto that’s just not accurate... vader in the first year would still mop the floor with them both,if not rag doll them with the force. the only chance the two could EVER defeat vader is if they caught him in the literal hours that he was put into his suit. if you read the vader comics you’d know what type of unit vader was even in the first year. ahsoka and maul stand no chance against vader
@@holyflame2 Perhaps, but there were times early in the Empire, at least in canon, where Vader had struggles. Honestly, a year might've been too generous, as once Vader bleeds his kyber crystal, that pretty much seals the deal. There's also this to consider though, if Ahsoka teamed up with Maul, that means the duo have access to Mandalorians and Maul's hold on the criminal underworld. There's a lot of unknowns that lead into this, but I doubt that the Empire would remain mostly unchallenged until the Rebellion like in canon. In fact, with the resources that Maul and Ahsoka would have and their attacks against the Empire, it could inspire the Rebellion to form much earlier in the timeline. This is all purely speculation though.
@@TheXehanorto u do know vader right after he got his suit can force push palpatine into a wall... Vader after getting his suit still wrecks maul or ahsoka in the force
@@nomorechance4754 then Palpatine would force crush him and torture him after. They would beat Vader but get destroyed by Sidious
Could you imagine, Obi-Wan, Mace, Yoda, Ashoka and Maul all teaming up against Palpatine and Vader. Obi-Wan, Ahsoka and Maul against Vader while Mace and Yoda take out Palpatine.
What a fight, would be 50/50 chance I'd bet. That would be so cool to watch.
@@sirnoisyboy117 mace and yoda togethet destroy sidious lol
@@DHAGSFU Mace already had Sidious anyway, with or without Yoda
Or Maul & Yoda vs Sidious (If Maul is able to keep Sidious occupied in lightsaber combat, Yoda is able to focus on force attack)
Then Ashoka & Obi Wan could go after Anakin
I think that scenario gives the light side the easy W.
Yoda and mace fight sidious and beat him handily before the Jedi can be defeated by Vader and then Obi wan, Mace, yoda, Ashoka and maul just team up and ragdoll Vader.
I think time doesn’t only take affect on maul but Vader as well but not in terms of strength but in terms of humanity left, if Ashoka had fought anakin as soon as he became Vader around the time where maul asked her to join then I feel like there’s a stronger chance he’ll hold back or a better chance that Ashoka can reach him.
No chances for them. I even think that there is a possibility that Vader can solo them both with his force powers.
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Sidious feigned being tired to get maul to attack then he immediately countered.
When obi wan says they’re outmatched by mail and savage, he was already tortured and exhausted. When you see the second duel when obi wan vs the brothers he has the upper hand for the majority of it. I don’t think maul and ahsoka would beat them in a physical fight, but they could cripple the infant empire due to their connections
on the second fight as soon as Obi Wan cuts Savages arm off, Maul takes him out of the battle with this massive force push. Also when Maul and Savage fought against Kenobi and Ventress, he completely destroyed Kenobi. So u can say that Maul and Kenobi are on the same level.
@@giggsi1006n the duel with Ventress, Kenobi (despite being beaten and tortured to the point where he could hardly stand) was winning and even had a couple of chances to kill Maul but chose to save Ventress instead. He only begins to lose when Maul makes Kenobi enraged and unbalanced. This has never worked since.
In the duel with Obi vs Maul and Oppress, Kenobi had the advantage for the grand majority of the duel, putting both Sith on the back foot, forcing them on the defensive, pushing them both back multiple times, landing physical blows on each, and eventually cutting off Savage’s arm. The maiming of his brother caused Maul to become desperate and even more enraged, and allowing him to land that massive Force push. It didn’t knock Kenobi out though, as he is up and going in literal seconds. If Maul had kept trying to fight Kenobi instead of retreating with Savage, it would’ve been the end of him.
TCW S5 Kenobi is superior to Maul and is even more so by ROTS.
@@sunryder well yes Kenobi was exhausted but you have to keep in mind that Darth Maul didn't fight with his lightsaber for over 10 years. Those strikes from Obi Wan would never land if it was TPM or TCW S7 Maul
Maul: Man literally too angry to die
I would think dooku would be a better fighter then maul he is the most trained with but dooku is a far better lightsaber duelist
Dooku was the man. Not only with a sabe but dooku was very powerful in the force.
@@Woody-fv7uu agreed i think the only thing maul has over dooku is speed & agility not to say maul is bad he is 1 of the most powerful sith in the force but against dooku i don't think he'd win
Josh Johnson dooku had trouble against power based saber strikes, something that maul frequently used
Josh Johnson maul also had physical strength over dooku since he was younger than dooku and form II isn’t very good against powerful strikes like those of form 5 and form 7
@@jakealter5504 yea you make a fair point in legends i believe dooku knows form 2,3, & 7 so yeah i do think maul is a lot stronger then dooku with powerful strikes form 4 or 5
I think it would be possible to defeat them both by targetting their strengths: i.e. the Force and Vader's enhancements. If they worked together to find a solution to perhaps dim Sidious' connection or something, and maybe if Maul used force lightning against Vader, they could have a chance.
Dude, if Sidious wasn't the most powerful character in the battle then how did he survive from literally episode 1 to 9 by manipulating people and killing them using the force and sabers?
He dueled three times in that entire span of time and lost once.
@@KeyIssues Twice
@@Redoren966 Once and that one battle is also debatable.
Yoda and Palpatine were stalemates as stated in the Revenge of the Sith novelization.
@@elijahamores But he lost the duel in the novelization
He survived through 9th because Disney needed a villain and money to finish their shitty films. Sidious was supposed to stay dead.
I thought maul got weaker in rebels. I mean Obi wan took him down in 3 strikes. Also, we have never seen Sidious and Vader fight together which I'm sure no one could survive. They complement each other too well. The greatest force user with the greatest duelist who both are exceptional with the other style. Maul and Ahsoka would not have the same synergy.
Obi-Wan tricked him. Everybody could lose if you tricked them
He said Ahsoka is on Vader's level.... ask George Lucas about that lol
She fights Vader and literally lands a head shot. One could argue she was holding back because she knew it was Anakin. She could have decapitated him...Lucas was in on that fight in Rebels...
@@stk7778 Vader would destroy her in a fight and we know that headshot she got on him was for plot.... Vader fought countless Jedi who is stronger than Ahsoka and they never landed a hit like that so we know that's for plot
@@polketex5043 lol. you do realize it's all fiction, right? it's all for plot. "Luke, I am your father" is for plot. Asokah was resurrected on Mortis (in part by anakin, btw). She's a force, and the force removed her from the Jedi order before Order 66 for a reason...
@@stk7778 Duh what are you talking about lol don't bring up Ahsoka hitting Vader in head then tf lol
@@stk7778 You just said some bs about Ahsoka hitting Vader then took it back and said ik it was for plot lol
Now I'm imagining if Ahsoka and Maul really teamed up they wouldn't even try to take on Sidious and Vader together. Wouldn't it be crazy if Ahsoka and Maul decided to split up and go after Vader and Sidious at the same time as Obi-Wan and Yoda did in Revenge of the Sith?
I had a similar idea in a different comment but Ahsoka + Obi Wan vs Anakin and Maul + Yoda vs Sidious is a definite loss for the Sith!
@@dominicmoras4283 I can see Ahsoka wanting to help Anakin if they defeat him, she would be feeling more guilty for his downfall than Obi-Wan and wouldn't have the 'once you step down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny' motto drilled into her head by Yoda. And Ahsoka would really only help Maul just to get rid of Sidious and since the Jedi Council is gone by this point she would be relatively easy to reel back in. Maul and Yoda would definitely be able to kill Sidious if Maul and Yoda (seeing as how Yoda barely lost) if they can put their differences aside, that just leaves Maul as the wild card.
I'm pretty sure they planned on training before taking them on
They wouldn't go blindly into a fight
I think you forget the fact that Vader is getting stronger and stronger over time too. I'd also have to assume Sidious was as well.
they should fight him after he got roasted by Kenobi
No, I don't think so. Sidious was toying with Opress and Maul, I think. And while Ahsoka performed well against Vader, as you find out later in Season 4, Vader was about to kill her and I think ultimately would in a duel.
Just to point out Vader and Sidious were not THE most powerful. Sith like Vitiate, Marka Ragnos, Revan, Nihilus, Bane, Malak, Exar Kun and plenty more would stomp on at least Vader. Only maybe Vitiate, Revan, and Exar could beat him.
We need to remember that When Ahsoka said Maul was not on Anakin's level, this was before he became Vader, which decreased Anakin's abilities and potential after his loss to Obiwan. So you can argue that Maul in the early Vader years, was more powerful.
Arnaldo Rego Jr. But Vader is far stronger than Anakin in ROTS. He has far greater feats, especially with the force
That's quite untrue. Less than a decade, i believe, after the end of the Clone Wars it is said in the book Lords of the Sith that Vader had already surpassed his Jedi self and i believe even his Knightfall self.
Dressed Snake Exactly
“Anakin was weak, I destroyed him”
Also Vader was stated by George Lucas to be 80% to 85% of what the Emperor is ( in power) which Anakin wasn’t even close to
They could i think. While Maul would keep up with Sidious, Ahsoka could keep on talking to Anakin and possibly convince him back to the light side and then it would be Maul, Ahsoka and Anakin and could kill Sidious.
Wrong either vader or palpatine solo the two easily
@@7even799 Vader gets wrecked by Maul and Ahsoka but as soon as Sidious joins it's game over
Another possibility is that Maul was aluding to the two of them forming a force Diad. Their thematic similarities to each other as well as their firm allegance to their respective sides of the force could potentially result in the formation of a diad if they teamed up and sought to balance one another.
If Kylo and Rey, a Skywalker and a Palpatine who are a Dyad so powerful that it literally completely healed Sidious and Sidious used the power from their Dyad to summon that massive force lightning he shot at the sky (that wasn’t his own power, it’s canon that was the Dyad’s power)...if those two couldn’t defeat him, then Maul and Ahsoka definitely could *never* even get remotely close to beating him.
Let me clarify that no one is on Vader’s level Vader could contest palpatine and is the ONLY character who could actually stand a chance saying that they’re on the level of Vader is simply heresy considering he’s 80% of palpatine while crippled. 80% is strong enough to stand a chance and potentially beat palpatine I don’t believe his injuries held his back but rather his mental state meaning he could truly destroy any opponent if his mental state wasn’t damaged.
MarteIIus plus Vader is obviously the most skilled duelist of all these 4 characters and his power and knowledge grew over time, which basically means he can overpower every character in SW Canon
But vader is weak to force lightning.i dont think he stands chance against palpatine
Short answer: No.
Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Overall I am super impressed with how valid and how much sense and evidence was put into each one of your points. I never realized how skilled these two characters were and became. I feel like a few points were missed tho. Like how Padmé is still alive and up to that point Anakin still loved Padmé. With Anakin love for Ashoka and Padme he might resist assisting Sidious. The main pair could also potentially gain aid from Yoda and possible obi wan if Ashoka could convince Mail to hold his vengeance until after killing Sidious. Especially since I feel like Maul would have more hatred towards Sidious for killing his brother than Obi wan.
My only thing with the Sidious fight was that he wasn’t trying. He was toying with them and it has been stated Sideious hated Lightsaber Combat and didn’t like to use it. Not to mention the second Sideious used the Force, the fight was a non factor. He threw Maul around, tortured him and used Force Lightning to make sure he knew his place. This could mean Sidious was not particularly skilled in Lightsaber combat, as yes you can be good at something, but unless you actively enjoy it and put effort towards it, you can’t really use it effectively. Meaning that Sidious was basically holding back, using a method of combat he purposely hates, against two people, one of whom he trained, and without using the Force as much as possible. Basically he was fighting with one hand tied behind his back.
Sidious if I'm not mistaking knew all 7 forms of lightsaber combat and was the only Sith Lord who knew all 7 forms.
Darrick Top of the Hit List you can know a lot about something and not be particularly interested in it. I hadn’t heard he knew all 7 but I’m not surprised. That still doesn’t change the fact he wasn’t interested or even enjoyed lightsaber combat.
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Yes Sidious knows all 7 forms and I never said anything about Sidious being interested in Lightsaber combat but he didn't.I already knowed that.
Sidious dispised lightsabers because he saw them as absolute when compared to the power of the dark side. But he wasn't stupid. He always carried one around after order 66 and before that he had one hidden in his office in a vase (not sure where the other one was). That being said; he was a master duelist. When he was fighting Maul and Savage he was toying with them like a cat with a mouse. There is only one moment in the fight when it's visible that his power kind of wears out and he quickly gets rid of Maul so he can just go against Savage and can "recharge" for a moment (let's be honest, Savage *alone* is just a snack for Sidious). That is because he is doing the same thing Yoda does: in his advanced age he relies solemnly on the force during a fight.
All things considered I think if we team up Ahsoka with Maul against Vader and Sidious, they could give them a run for their money but they couldn't win through a sheer fighting with lightsabers or force. I can imagine a few versions of the fight where Maul/Ahsoka team could win.
One on one there are only two people who could defeat Sidious in a duel and that is Yoda and Windu.
Ben17ism those are all really awesome points. I’m only saying, even if he’s a master, he’s still not the best he could be. Like I said, you can be good or even great at something, but if you don’t enjoy it or like it, you’re not as good as you could be. On top of that, Windu was trained specificity to fight Sith plus he was trained by Yoda. Meaning on Paper, Windu has everything he needs to beat Palps, he knows how to use the force and used a form of Lightsaber combat pulled around fighting the sith and trained in that style over the others. Like I said I could see Maul and Asoka putting up a fight, but at the end of the day, I think Vader and Palps would beat them in a straight up duel.
Old Ben destroyed maul... Vader killed old Ben without sustaining injuries.... Vader would kill maul fairly easily especially a young vader. There's no way they win. If I had to bet I'd take vader v both Asoka and maul
Darth Maul and Ashoka Thano have no chanse against Darth Vader and Darth Sidious in battle, but they could do damadge to the Empire from the shadows with the Rebels and Criminal sindikate.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Hell no, but they could at least cause some fractures in the Empire before Sidious perceives them to be a legitimate threat (assuming Maul doesn't betray Ahsoka)
Finally someone with some sense
I do disagree with your point about Maul being above Dooku in terms of skill. That’s simply incorrect.
Vortex Flash Even Maul and ashoka would be absolutly defeated by sidious
Vortex Flash Nah, Maul is slightly better in lightsaber combat than Dooku. But it’s very little. In force abilities though, Dooku beats him 9/10.
Tell that to the book
I would still say Dooku is the better duelist, if only slightly. That’s also coming from his better feats of facing people like Yoda, and a more skilled version of Obi-Wan than Maul did. Especially when referring to the fight of Anakin and Obi vs Dooku on The world of the Pykes, Dooku handled the two Jedi like they were rag dolls.
Not to mention the credibility of this book as placing Vader above Sidious in terms of skill, which is clearly false. Vader was NOT Sidious’s equal in terms of skill.
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Short answer is no. Palpatine had full control over the senate and they trusted just about everything he said and did. In the eyes of the average citizen, the Sith were just an extinct group of Jedi who had no real impact on politics, some didn’t even really know that much. Maul exposing Sidious wouldn’t have had much impact because it would’ve been his word against a whole galaxy of people. Plagueis and Sidious planted the seeds so deep that they were going to harvest no matter what.
But what if they both maul and Asoka double teamed sidious and Vader at different times? I mean they could go at sidious, then go for Vader after sidious. It sounds like maul is just under sidious, and Asoka is just under Vader. Wouldn’t both overcome sidious and Vader?
I mean Maul beats anyone because hes the best Star Wars character soo
Nope
The question is: is maul now experienced enough to match Sidious dueling skills ? I am sure that Ahsoka is a much better duelist than Sidious, but we should not forget that Vader is the most powerful character in SW Canon and also the by far best duelist of all these 4 characters. We should also regard that Vader defeated Ahsoka and also Mauls clone, he even ragdolled Sidious two times, so I think they can maybe kill Sidious but Vader will win this ! 🔥😎💯
@Naga Sadow umm what???? Ahsoka a much better duelist to a dude who mastered all 7 forms? Do you even know anything about Palpatine.
Mr Palpatine thats doesnt mean anything, Kenobi defeated Greivous who mastered also all 7 Forms, Windu easily defeated Sidious who mastered all 7 Forms. And Sidious the only Duel Sidious ever won in SW Canon was against Maul on Oppress. Even in Legends he often fails
NAGA SADOW Windu has also mastered seven forms and his Vaapad is especially useful against Dark Side users
WaterMelon 101 thats correct, but in that case, Even George Lucas admitted that Windu was more powerful and skilled than Sidious. He emphasized that Even Without vapaad he would habe won
NAGA SADOW even if Ashoka could manage to kill palpatine, what about Vader. Palps was terrified of Vader and Vader is also shown beating Ashoka in a duel. If Ezra hadn’t done time travel bullshit then Vader would have won. I love Ashoka as a character but it’s unrealistic to say that she could beat palpatine
They are underdogs So I rlly like the idea.
I’d say Asoka definitely has the potential and Maul could definitely rival them.
Okay but they wouldnt have fought vader as the idea was to kill sedious before everything goes to shit which turned ou to be order 66 and anakin's fall but they didnt knoe that. Their plan was to simply kill palpi boi
These are my two favorite characters I don't really even care about the politics of this video I just enjoyed a whole video about both of there powers and skill levels relative to one another and cidious and Vader.
They have 0 chance against either of them i mean sidious was holding back and vader in his prime was 80%
Of palpatine
Jakob Kašič and that says alot since Vader takes on armies by himself
Maul>Darth Vader in ROTS
Sidious wasn’t holding back against Maul. He had to rely on the force in order to completely win the fight.
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@@lordmaul7278 he was. He even said we didn't come to kill him.
Maul had an extended connection with the force at the end and saw things so i want to believe that when he said it he believed and actually knew that they could do it. Also since so many jedi died ashoka would have become more powerful.
I fee that Dooku was actually more powerful than Maul in the clone wars and just overall. Dooku could take on Anakin and Obi Wan at the same time while Maul struggled to take on Ahsoka. Not to dis Ahsoka but she obviously isn’t as powerful as Anakin or Obi Wan. But I feel that if she never left the order she would’ve been a Jedi knight by season 7
James Estrada umm maul did not struggle with ahsoka at all, he was intentionally holding back
@@ALUCARD-us3il Do you have any proof of this
@@vietcongwarlord6931 look at the duel closely and you'll see what i mean, its quite obvious maul was holding back, and besides maul proposed an alliance with ahsoka, both at the start and at the very end, you cant work with dead allies, even if they are temporary
@@ALUCARD-us3il Yeah I think i'm just tired but Ashoka was also holding back
@@vietcongwarlord6931 true, both fighters didnt want each other dead so both held back, which is why maul didn't simply cut the line ahsoka was on in the end, he wanted her alive and she wanted him alive, otherwise she would've let maul fall to his death
When fcking rey can do it with two lightsaibers why not ahsoka?
Plot armor: Allow me to introduce myself
I think maybe if they ambushed Vader together by himself maybe, same for sideoys especially in his layer years where his degraded body relied more heavily on his force powers.
Theirs literally w comic when a clone version of mual fought vader Vader had to stab his self to beat mual
That's not canon anymore. The current canon has Maul himself saying that he stands no chance against Vader.
@@KingMidgardsormr he didnt even met him once
He just flow away
@@lordescanor8232 Yes, but Maul said in Rebels right before Vader shows up that he can't beat him.
@@KingMidgardsormr That was Rebels Maul who was nerfed into the ground.
@@KingMidgardsormr No.He says he can't beat Vader.There is a difference between beating someone and stomping them
6:26 That databook is crazy, i’d scale dooku’s saber skills above maul’s honestly
Its a Sign of how hard Disney has Fucked up the power scale that this is even a debate. Both of then together couldn’t take Sidius alone and neither individually could take down vader 1v1. And any tactics/strategies they could come up with are evened out by the fact that the Sith have the Inquisitors and the full force of the empire to call on as well, Not that they need it