Great discussion as always. This is definitely a much needed topic that seems to be the elephant in the room so to speak just about everywhere you go. Thanks again guys..
@@TheConqueringTruth - The other thing I'd talked about was discipline and training someone (children or even adults). You were talking about spanking kids being a means of "teaching a kid about the wrath of God". Well.... LOL. how are you as a sinner thinking you are instructing another sinner as to the holy righteous justice of God by hitting a kid that more likely than not lacks the cognitive capacity to understand in the first place? The "rod of correction" is a rod of instruction. The shepherd doesn't beat the sheep with it; though there are times he uses it to restrain the sheep from the folly of their own immaturity. If we are instructing a kid to read,; we teach them. If we are instructing a kid to do math; we teach them. If we are instructing them to fix a car; we teach them. We don't hit them until they get it right. Yet we tell ourselves that works in trying to teach someone how to behave? Corporal punishment does't teach the development of conscience. The only thing it produces is a resentful child who becomes more deceptive in their schemes to avoid getting caught. Which is the exact opposite of what you are trying to convey when the lesson is suppose to be God's justice. How do we know this? Try this experiment next time you spank your kid. As them why they got the spanking. And I guarantee the kid is never going to say to you: "Because you're afraid of God's wrath." I admonish this out of my own experience with my own son. He's 22 now and has refractory epilepsy because of a vascular malformation in his brain. The epilepsy affects his short term memory. And consequently he never "learned the lessons" I was trying to "teach" him by my hitting him. I figured out that "parenting technique" wasn't working by the time he was 4. The only thing I was getting was an angry child who had less control of himself as time went on. That was quite the lesson in the nature of how God disciplines - for ME! As in, this is not how God teaches me to control myself. (My conscience couldn't escape that reality.) Today my son is 22, moral, ethical, compassionate and .... a h** of a lot bigger than me! But he's also.... surprisingly obedient too. Which is solely a consequence of God's redemptive mercy operating in his (and also my) life. So, if a "parenting ideology" isn't affective across all circumstances; it's not "Biblical". And that was the lesson I took away from the challenge of raising him. He already had an emotionally turbulent life (a lot of traumatic things happened in his childhood) and even now, doesn't have a particularly "agreeable" temperament. He's not hostile, but he doesn't hold back his thoughts on a subject for the sake of "appease another" either. He is logical and rational; despite the memory challenges are quite obvious. So, that was the other thing I'd written about.
@@TheConqueringTruth - Funny, I'd written another comment before the one about child discipline that didn't show up now either! I guess talking about nations, wars and the wrath of God is "against one of UA-cam's approved narratives". 🧐
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Wow!!
Gods wrath against sinners!
What a powerful video!
Thank you guys so much!!!
Great discussion as always. This is definitely a much needed topic that seems to be the elephant in the room so to speak just about everywhere you go.
Thanks again guys..
Many thanks
You are welcome. We are glad that it is useful.
🧐 - Formerly posted long comment that didn't show up???
UA-cam censor or channel self censor?
We rarely delete comments, I don't think we deleted any on this video. UA-cam frequently deletes or hides comments for no discernable reason.
I can't find it in UA-cams filter
@@TheConqueringTruth - Yeah, I know UA-cam is screwy!
@@TheConqueringTruth - The other thing I'd talked about was discipline and training someone (children or even adults). You were talking about spanking kids being a means of "teaching a kid about the wrath of God".
Well.... LOL. how are you as a sinner thinking you are instructing another sinner as to the holy righteous justice of God by hitting a kid that more likely than not lacks the cognitive capacity to understand in the first place? The "rod of correction" is a rod of instruction. The shepherd doesn't beat the sheep with it; though there are times he uses it to restrain the sheep from the folly of their own immaturity.
If we are instructing a kid to read,; we teach them. If we are instructing a kid to do math; we teach them. If we are instructing them to fix a car; we teach them. We don't hit them until they get it right. Yet we tell ourselves that works in trying to teach someone how to behave?
Corporal punishment does't teach the development of conscience. The only thing it produces is a resentful child who becomes more deceptive in their schemes to avoid getting caught. Which is the exact opposite of what you are trying to convey when the lesson is suppose to be God's justice.
How do we know this? Try this experiment next time you spank your kid. As them why they got the spanking. And I guarantee the kid is never going to say to you: "Because you're afraid of God's wrath."
I admonish this out of my own experience with my own son. He's 22 now and has refractory epilepsy because of a vascular malformation in his brain. The epilepsy affects his short term memory. And consequently he never "learned the lessons" I was trying to "teach" him by my hitting him.
I figured out that "parenting technique" wasn't working by the time he was 4. The only thing I was getting was an angry child who had less control of himself as time went on. That was quite the lesson in the nature of how God disciplines - for ME! As in, this is not how God teaches me to control myself. (My conscience couldn't escape that reality.)
Today my son is 22, moral, ethical, compassionate and .... a h** of a lot bigger than me! But he's also.... surprisingly obedient too. Which is solely a consequence of God's redemptive mercy operating in his (and also my) life.
So, if a "parenting ideology" isn't affective across all circumstances; it's not "Biblical". And that was the lesson I took away from the challenge of raising him. He already had an emotionally turbulent life (a lot of traumatic things happened in his childhood) and even now, doesn't have a particularly "agreeable" temperament. He's not hostile, but he doesn't hold back his thoughts on a subject for the sake of "appease another" either. He is logical and rational; despite the memory challenges are quite obvious.
So, that was the other thing I'd written about.
@@TheConqueringTruth - Funny, I'd written another comment before the one about child discipline that didn't show up now either!
I guess talking about nations, wars and the wrath of God is "against one of UA-cam's approved narratives".
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