George Saunders has a great chance at winning a Pulitzer, considering that Lincoln in the Bardo won the Booker and has been praised as one of the best books of the past decade, I can see the “Pulitzer I Owe U” treatment for his follow up
Yeah, this year was strange, especially once the shortlist was announced. I just wasn’t as emotionally invested or attached to any particular titles or authors as I had been in previous years. However, with such a bunch of Irish authors present, pure blind patriotism kicked in, enthusiasm was restored for the week before the ceremony, and I was a very happy bunny when the winner was announced! Yay! 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
I can't overstate how much i enjoyed Demon. I was VERY invested in his journey. I finished it like six months ago and I still kind of miss him. He was a part of my life for a month! I love how books can do that 🙂
the part where he gets called into the office on his birthday and he knows his mom forgot, but tries to tell the lady he understands, that it's okay. Not realizing the real reason he was called to the office 😭 💔
I haven't been invested this year either, and Prophet Song is probably the book I least want to read from the list 😆 I do see your reasoning for why it won. And I have to say I have so far not read a Booker winner I haven't really liked. Although to be fair there are still a lot of Booker winners I haven't read. I think I might try Prophet Song on audio, as that will sidestep one of my main issues with the book - block text with stream of consciousness and no speech marks or other indication of who is speaking (or are they thinking?)
First coffee with Greg! Knowing you’re Booker reaction post was up got me out of bed with enthusiasm for the day😊 (ok, I’ll read another AP book hoping her magic happens for me)
Prophet Song is so well-written. I tore through it in no time. I'm sure it's apparent from the subject matter, but it gets extremely heavy in the back half, and it hit me much harder than I'd anticipated. One of those books that required a few days of no reading a bit before I could finally get into something else. I hope that doesn't scare anyone away because it's a remarkable book and very readable, but it did affect me in the way great books do.
Good day. I was unfamiliar with Lynch. I watched the award ceremony on youtube and listened to his acceptance speech. His book reminded me of Alan Moore and David Lloyd's "V for Vendetta," a masterpiece in the comic medium from the early 80's, which dealt with totalitarianism. in Great Britain. Lynch didn't convince me to read his book, instead I'm now re-reading "V for Vendetta."
One of the weirder and last minute twists of all this Bitter Booker Year was Jack Edwards being the live-streaming Booker host. I was an early supporter and promoter of Edwards as a Booktuber, but I also was one who saw his patreon debacle at that start of the year as highly problematic and found his content becoming more and more superficial and he seemed to withdraw and recycle content in the wake of that happening and being called out. He also admitted to having fallen into a reading slump for awhile, I guess due to the backlash. He was in limbo for quite awhile, but I did commend him in late summer over a very good in-depth video he had done that looked as if he was getting his mojo back. I get it that he’s young, dynamic and has a huge following and I said early on that that was good for reading and getting young people involved with it and books. But interestingly, the Gays, even those with no interest in his books have speculated for years about his ambiguous sexuality and have urged him to come out. And while I’m always respectful of that process for people, it’s interesting that Bob the Booker and EKA are the most prominent UK Booktubers who have been involved in the Booker for years and are very openly and unapologetic Gay, and yet it is the perceived closeted Booktuber who only recently jumped on the Booker bandwagon who got the gig. Even in a year that he earlier fell from grace and lost tens of thousands of viewers. Obviously, the Booker doesn’t have a problem with the Gays as some of their most prominent recent winners have been Gay and even last year’s winning title was Gay even though done by a straight author. And it was great to see EKA there on the live stream and hear his comments as well. And it was interesting on his video to hear that Edwards was even more captivating and dazzling in person, and he obviously didn’t have a problem with him having the hosting duties. But it’s all been an fascinating turn of events and a final twist with this unusual year. I hope Jack got some quality time with EKA and perhaps some insight and inspiration as well. Regardless of what it is, I do feel that Jack has some quality that keeps him from being truly authentic in his presentation and it’s very similar to other UA-camrs who eventually came out and were able to finally relax into their truest personas. Whatever that is for Jack I hope he finds it, but I also perceive that at this point there are a team and handlers behind him that are promoting to not rock the boat, especially after the missteps of earlier this year.
Wow. To be honest, I don't follow Jack's channel. I was completely unaware of any of that! I had to Google what happened with the Patreon. It is definitely disappointing that the Booker wouldn't have invited someone more invested in the prize (Bob the Bookerer would be great!).
I think the Booker people or their PR thought to bring someone who has a big following on social media. He does have a lot on UA-cam + Instagram and even though I watched it on the Booker channel, afterward I saw that the same event on JE's channel was double or more on views @@SupposedlyFun
I do agree with you, and regarding the debacle on the paid subscription, I am lucky I didn't partake and give him money for nothing (that was the people's complaint, that they paid for extra content and he didn't deliver...) After it was the apology (for fear of losing followers and sponsors:)))) And then, (because I follow him on Insta as well, he went on holidays at least 4 times in Europe, not to mention, living in NYC in a big apartment like the one he films in, takes a lot of money, so he probably profited a lot from that 👎 I do agree that Erik was more fitted, but again, it comes down to the numbers unfortunately
I usually am not excited by the Booker but this year I really was and I still haven’t read all of the short list but am interested in reading most of them … I’m happy so happy that Prophet Song won because it was so absolutely horrifying in a literary, fascist kind of way. I couldn’t put it down. It was intense and well written. I hope you do read it before your trip (of which I’m so jelly). Happy holidays!
I'm glad you were excited by the Booker this year! And I'm glad you enjoyed Prophet Song. I'm on a hold list at my library for when it is released in the US.
I read Prophet Song recently and was really impressed. Not my usual reading, I am more of an HF fan, but I am trying to read out of my comfort zone more. I am currently reading Exit West by Mohsin Hamid which I am enjoying.
I haven't read The Bee Sting yet but I did read Prophet Song and it felt very Booker Winnish. I ordered it from Blackwells earlier this fall because I was so excited about the prospect of an Irish dystopian novel. I found it interesting, particularly strong in the last quarter of the novel, but not one of my top 10 this year, nor my favorite dystopian novel this year. It was solid and compelling but it didn't blow me away. I love your shirt!
One way to do about 'The Bee Sting' is to download the audible, which I did. It is a very good one, (the performer, I mean) and I'm at the beginning. I'm with you about it, but I am curious also. When books are so long, I just listen to it. If it turns out exceptional, I'll buy a copy when it gets on sale and reread it a couple years later :))) I make exceptions about big books, only if it has good reviews from youtubers that have the same taste as me or if I get it recommended from different authors that I like, then I buy it and read it, so I am rarely disappointed about the money and time spend on it :)
With Barbara Kingsolver could be the case that she withdrew from the prize, other years there had been big authors that ask their publishers to no summited the book to de booker
I agree - I can understand why Prophet Song won. Personally, I did not like it. But I enjoyed the process of reading and following the Booker this year.
I am a big "In Ascension" fan, so I was disappointed it didn't make the shortlist. A quick question: perhaps I am wrong, but it seems like "If I Survive You" has gone down in your estimation from your original review of it (which of course can happen the longer you sit with a book).... Again, I could be remembering wrong, but I was pretty sure originally you said you liked it, didn't love it, mentioned how some of it was uneven, but that you would still say people should read it. Again, my memory isn't perfect. I do remember you saying before that you thought it was wrong it made the longlist when "Demon Copperhead" didn't, but also said you liked it but didn't thought it had problems and didn't love it. This video, I believe, was the first time I heard you say flat out that you didn't like the book, so I was curious if you would say it is still worth reading, or if sitting with it has made you dislike it more and more?
If I Survive You is definitely a case where sitting with the book didn't help it. I also think I was more inclined to be kind to it despite the parts I didn't think worked when I read it because if I remember correctly, I read it while we were in Pullman getting treatment for Jamie. I think I initially felt like at least some of my negativity around it could have been due to stress, etc. It's also true that the more the book got praised, the more I felt like "did we read the same book?" So I think two things happened: one, I was hesitant to go in hard about the things I didn't like, and two, it definitely got worse the more it sat with me.
Prophet Song is the best book I have this year. You should really prioritise it. I liked Demon Copperhead. But I didn’t love it like most people seem too. I agree with your friend about The Bee Sting.
I'm happy "Prophet Song" won, though I wish I'd had a chance to read it. I found "Study for Obedience" interesting, at least the first 7% that I read before picking something else up. I thought "Bee Sting" might end up being the popular third way after a tie between PS and SfO. (And, yeah, "Demon Copperhead" should have been nominated. Maybe they could release an addendum of under the radar books so they wouldn't feel the need to nominate them for a prize?). 😁
I am not mad that Prophet Song won, but it wasn’t really my cup of tea. I think dystopian novels can be difficult because they are SO bleak. I am a mood reader and I am just rarely in the right mood to handle books that are THAT bleak. Sad books are one thing… but, trauma after trauma is just rough to read for me. Then, when I do get into a proper mental state and read them, I feel more appreciative of a dystopian novel than passionate for it. I can see why Prophet Song won and I’m happy for Paul Lynch and fans of the book though.
Eager to hear your thoughts if you do pick up The Bee Sting-fair warning that the beginning of the book is the quirkiest part since the first two sections follow the children's perspectives.
Y'all should see the list on our end! The books from North America into Europe :))) Now you know how it is jkjk. It's annoying and it's the publishers fault on both ends
I know, it's frustrating indeed @@SupposedlyFun , for the movies, series and tv shows I have found a solution, but for books, no, unless it's audios and kindles 🙂
I have a weird relationship with the Booker. I usually either obsessively love, or seethingly hate, the winning book. There're only a couple where I was right down the middle. 🤷🏻♀️ I don't know why!
To not have Demon not on the short list is just terrible, not have Rushdie's book on there is a sad tragedy. Their recent books are heads and shoulders above most, including the winner.
I thought she withdrew, our opted out of, being entered into the Booker? Can't remember where I'd heard that as it was back when I was reading it after the paperback release. She had apparently said she was exhausted after the tours for the book and having won the Pulitzer and Women's prize already, was happy to take a break and let others have a chance of getting recognised in the Booker 🤷🏻♀️
@@neningd233 I double checked and I've never seen any evidence that this is the case (at least, nothing publicly indicating that she withdrew). She recently did an interview with The NY Times about the last year of her life post-book release, and there is no mention of her being so tired that she withdrew from the Booker. But somehow I've been hearing this a lot--I suspect it's one of those things that someone speculated and has just been repeated ad nauseam. If it's true, I don't see anything about it online. (edited to correct spelling)
Bitter Booker Year 😂 . I’ve only read 🐝 Sting & was originally most interested in that, followed Prophet Song & Study For Obedience…. But after I read the former I wasn’t impressed enough to read anymore Booker nominations….. His reaction though- I succumbed & ordered it. Blahdiggityblah 📖🪱💚
George Saunders has a great chance at winning a Pulitzer, considering that Lincoln in the Bardo won the Booker and has been praised as one of the best books of the past decade, I can see the “Pulitzer I Owe U” treatment for his follow up
I still feel McBride or Ward will win and rightfully so. I like Saunders, but I'm not sure if it's this year
Yeah, this year was strange, especially once the shortlist was announced. I just wasn’t as emotionally invested or attached to any particular titles or authors as I had been in previous years.
However, with such a bunch of Irish authors present, pure blind patriotism kicked in, enthusiasm was restored for the week before the ceremony, and I was a very happy bunny when the winner was announced! Yay! 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
I can't overstate how much i enjoyed Demon. I was VERY invested in his journey. I finished it like six months ago and I still kind of miss him. He was a part of my life for a month! I love how books can do that 🙂
I agree!
I feel the same way. I had to remind myself that Demon was fiction. THE Great American Novel!
the part where he gets called into the office on his birthday and he knows his mom forgot, but tries to tell the lady he understands, that it's okay. Not realizing the real reason he was called to the office 😭 💔
I haven't been invested this year either, and Prophet Song is probably the book I least want to read from the list 😆 I do see your reasoning for why it won. And I have to say I have so far not read a Booker winner I haven't really liked. Although to be fair there are still a lot of Booker winners I haven't read. I think I might try Prophet Song on audio, as that will sidestep one of my main issues with the book - block text with stream of consciousness and no speech marks or other indication of who is speaking (or are they thinking?)
First coffee with Greg! Knowing you’re Booker reaction post was up got me out of bed with enthusiasm for the day😊 (ok, I’ll read another AP book hoping her magic happens for me)
I love coffee, so this makes me happy. I hope you have better luck the second time around with Patchett like I did.
Prophet Song is so well-written. I tore through it in no time. I'm sure it's apparent from the subject matter, but it gets extremely heavy in the back half, and it hit me much harder than I'd anticipated. One of those books that required a few days of no reading a bit before I could finally get into something else. I hope that doesn't scare anyone away because it's a remarkable book and very readable, but it did affect me in the way great books do.
I like this kind of books, so I am intrigued about it now. Thanks!
I've seen a lot of warnings about the last section of the book--thanks for the warning.
Good day. I was unfamiliar with Lynch. I watched the award ceremony on youtube and listened to his acceptance speech. His book reminded me of Alan Moore and David Lloyd's "V for Vendetta," a masterpiece in the comic medium from the early 80's, which dealt with totalitarianism. in Great Britain. Lynch didn't convince me to read his book, instead I'm now re-reading "V for Vendetta."
Fair enough!
Best other book I read from the long list was
All The Little Bird Hearts 💕
Another one I haven't gotten to!
One of the weirder and last minute twists of all this Bitter Booker Year was Jack Edwards being the live-streaming Booker host. I was an early supporter and promoter of Edwards as a Booktuber, but I also was one who saw his patreon debacle at that start of the year as highly problematic and found his content becoming more and more superficial and he seemed to withdraw and recycle content in the wake of that happening and being called out. He also admitted to having fallen into a reading slump for awhile, I guess due to the backlash.
He was in limbo for quite awhile, but I did commend him in late summer over a very good in-depth video he had done that looked as if he was getting his mojo back.
I get it that he’s young, dynamic and has a huge following and I said early on that that was good for reading and getting young people involved with it and books. But interestingly, the Gays, even those with no interest in his books have speculated for years about his ambiguous sexuality and have urged him to come out.
And while I’m always respectful of that process for people, it’s interesting that Bob the Booker and EKA are the most prominent UK Booktubers who have been involved in the Booker for years and are very openly and unapologetic Gay, and yet it is the perceived closeted Booktuber who only recently jumped on the Booker bandwagon who got the gig. Even in a year that he earlier fell from grace and lost tens of thousands of viewers.
Obviously, the Booker doesn’t have a problem with the Gays as some of their most prominent recent winners have been Gay and even last year’s winning title was Gay even though done by a straight author.
And it was great to see EKA there on the live stream and hear his comments as well. And it was interesting on his video to hear that Edwards was even more captivating and dazzling in person, and he obviously didn’t have a problem with him having the hosting duties.
But it’s all been an fascinating turn of events and a final twist with this unusual year. I hope Jack got some quality time with EKA and perhaps some insight and inspiration as well.
Regardless of what it is, I do feel that Jack has some quality that keeps him from being truly authentic in his presentation and it’s very similar to other UA-camrs who eventually came out and were able to finally relax into their truest personas. Whatever that is for Jack I hope he finds it, but I also perceive that at this point there are a team and handlers behind him that are promoting to not rock the boat, especially after the missteps of earlier this year.
Wow. To be honest, I don't follow Jack's channel. I was completely unaware of any of that! I had to Google what happened with the Patreon. It is definitely disappointing that the Booker wouldn't have invited someone more invested in the prize (Bob the Bookerer would be great!).
I think the Booker people or their PR thought to bring someone who has a big following on social media. He does have a lot on UA-cam + Instagram and even though I watched it on the Booker channel, afterward I saw that the same event on JE's channel was double or more on views @@SupposedlyFun
I do agree with you, and regarding the debacle on the paid subscription, I am lucky I didn't partake and give him money for nothing (that was the people's complaint, that they paid for extra content and he didn't deliver...) After it was the apology (for fear of losing followers and sponsors:)))) And then, (because I follow him on Insta as well, he went on holidays at least 4 times in Europe, not to mention, living in NYC in a big apartment like the one he films in, takes a lot of money, so he probably profited a lot from that 👎 I do agree that Erik was more fitted, but again, it comes down to the numbers unfortunately
I usually am not excited by the Booker but this year I really was and I still haven’t read all of the short list but am interested in reading most of them … I’m happy so happy that Prophet Song won because it was so absolutely horrifying in a literary, fascist kind of way. I couldn’t put it down. It was intense and well written. I hope you do read it before your trip (of which I’m so jelly). Happy holidays!
I'm glad you were excited by the Booker this year! And I'm glad you enjoyed Prophet Song. I'm on a hold list at my library for when it is released in the US.
I read Prophet Song recently and was really impressed. Not my usual reading, I am more of an HF fan, but I am trying to read out of my comfort zone more. I am currently reading Exit West by Mohsin Hamid which I am enjoying.
I haven't read The Bee Sting yet but I did read Prophet Song and it felt very Booker Winnish. I ordered it from Blackwells earlier this fall because I was so excited about the prospect of an Irish dystopian novel. I found it interesting, particularly strong in the last quarter of the novel, but not one of my top 10 this year, nor my favorite dystopian novel this year. It was solid and compelling but it didn't blow me away. I love your shirt!
It's one of my favorite shirts! I feel like I'm not going to love Prophet Song either and I will probably end up where you did (at best).
This year‘s booker was a bit lacklustre. I hope next year is better 🤞
I'm in the same boat!
One way to do about 'The Bee Sting' is to download the audible, which I did. It is a very good one, (the performer, I mean) and I'm at the beginning. I'm with you about it, but I am curious also. When books are so long, I just listen to it. If it turns out exceptional, I'll buy a copy when it gets on sale and reread it a couple years later :))) I make exceptions about big books, only if it has good reviews from youtubers that have the same taste as me or if I get it recommended from different authors that I like, then I buy it and read it, so I am rarely disappointed about the money and time spend on it :)
Thanks for the recommendation.
I loved your T-shirt 🤩
Thank you! It's one of my favorites.
With Barbara Kingsolver could be the case that she withdrew from the prize, other years there had been big authors that ask their publishers to no summited the book to de booker
It feels a bit odd that an author would allow their book to be considered for other major prizes but not the Booker, but who knows?
I agree - I can understand why Prophet Song won. Personally, I did not like it. But I enjoyed the process of reading and following the Booker this year.
I'm glad you enjoyed the process (even if you aren't too keen on the winner).
I am a big "In Ascension" fan, so I was disappointed it didn't make the shortlist. A quick question: perhaps I am wrong, but it seems like "If I Survive You" has gone down in your estimation from your original review of it (which of course can happen the longer you sit with a book).... Again, I could be remembering wrong, but I was pretty sure originally you said you liked it, didn't love it, mentioned how some of it was uneven, but that you would still say people should read it. Again, my memory isn't perfect. I do remember you saying before that you thought it was wrong it made the longlist when "Demon Copperhead" didn't, but also said you liked it but didn't thought it had problems and didn't love it. This video, I believe, was the first time I heard you say flat out that you didn't like the book, so I was curious if you would say it is still worth reading, or if sitting with it has made you dislike it more and more?
If I Survive You is definitely a case where sitting with the book didn't help it. I also think I was more inclined to be kind to it despite the parts I didn't think worked when I read it because if I remember correctly, I read it while we were in Pullman getting treatment for Jamie. I think I initially felt like at least some of my negativity around it could have been due to stress, etc. It's also true that the more the book got praised, the more I felt like "did we read the same book?" So I think two things happened: one, I was hesitant to go in hard about the things I didn't like, and two, it definitely got worse the more it sat with me.
Prophet Song is the best book I have this year. You should really prioritise it. I liked Demon Copperhead. But I didn’t love it like most people seem too. I agree with your friend about The Bee Sting.
We’ll see what I think of Bee Sting when the library gets it to me!
I'm happy "Prophet Song" won, though I wish I'd had a chance to read it. I found "Study for Obedience" interesting, at least the first 7% that I read before picking something else up. I thought "Bee Sting" might end up being the popular third way after a tie between PS and SfO. (And, yeah, "Demon Copperhead" should have been nominated. Maybe they could release an addendum of under the radar books so they wouldn't feel the need to nominate them for a prize?). 😁
May I suggest a T-shirt collection video plz lol
That would be so difficult, but it would be fun!
I definitely want to read Prophet Song. People keep arguing that John Steinbeck won both. It's the Nobel Prize and the Booker
I am not mad that Prophet Song won, but it wasn’t really my cup of tea. I think dystopian novels can be difficult because they are SO bleak. I am a mood reader and I am just rarely in the right mood to handle books that are THAT bleak. Sad books are one thing… but, trauma after trauma is just rough to read for me. Then, when I do get into a proper mental state and read them, I feel more appreciative of a dystopian novel than passionate for it. I can see why Prophet Song won and I’m happy for Paul Lynch and fans of the book though.
It does sound like a VERY bleak book, which can be difficult to read.
Eager to hear your thoughts if you do pick up The Bee Sting-fair warning that the beginning of the book is the quirkiest part since the first two sections follow the children's perspectives.
That's good to know--thanks.
Prophet Song was fine, frustrating but fine.
This is the third book in a row to not be released in North America until after the win.
Annoying to say the least.
Y'all should see the list on our end! The books from North America into Europe :))) Now you know how it is jkjk. It's annoying and it's the publishers fault on both ends
@@doreene11 I say this every time I see a Bake Off spoiler: why, with all our technology, can things not just come out on the same day? 😉
I know, it's frustrating indeed @@SupposedlyFun , for the movies, series and tv shows I have found a solution, but for books, no, unless it's audios and kindles 🙂
I thought it was going to be The Bee Sting, too.
It really felt like Bee Sting had it locked up!
I have a weird relationship with the Booker. I usually either obsessively love, or seethingly hate, the winning book. There're only a couple where I was right down the middle. 🤷🏻♀️ I don't know why!
It happens! Book awards can be weird.
To not have Demon not on the short list is just terrible, not have Rushdie's book on there is a sad tragedy. Their recent books are heads and shoulders above most, including the winner.
I still have difficulty believing that Demon didn’t make it.
I thought she withdrew, our opted out of, being entered into the Booker? Can't remember where I'd heard that as it was back when I was reading it after the paperback release. She had apparently said she was exhausted after the tours for the book and having won the Pulitzer and Women's prize already, was happy to take a break and let others have a chance of getting recognised in the Booker 🤷🏻♀️
@@neningd233 I double checked and I've never seen any evidence that this is the case (at least, nothing publicly indicating that she withdrew). She recently did an interview with The NY Times about the last year of her life post-book release, and there is no mention of her being so tired that she withdrew from the Booker. But somehow I've been hearing this a lot--I suspect it's one of those things that someone speculated and has just been repeated ad nauseam. If it's true, I don't see anything about it online. (edited to correct spelling)
Bitter Booker Year 😂 . I’ve only read 🐝 Sting & was originally most interested in that, followed Prophet Song & Study For Obedience…. But after I read the former I wasn’t impressed enough to read anymore Booker nominations….. His reaction though- I succumbed & ordered it. Blahdiggityblah 📖🪱💚