Richard Ikin agreed. I love Melody’s vocals (and Liliac overall) as the most refreshing thing I’ve heard recently, but would say Floor beats her for versatility, Floor cannot be beaten.
Absolutely amazing. These kids give me goose bumps. I'm an ole rock fan from the 60's on up to today. Love all the ole bands, but this young group absolutely gives me goose bumps. Lovem.
Best version of that song that I've heard, literally. Such perfect everything, the band is so tight, and such beautiful energy. Melody's voice and hair.... I've got nothin' negative or neutral to say about them.
FYI, I believe Melody was 15 in this video. Chain of thorns is another great Liliac video. Also check out The Warning from Mexico. They’re incredible live
Abigail and her mom came by my house a few years ago to conduct some businesses they were humble down-to-earth people I like the fact that they are not conceited I am glad that I met them. Can't wait to be able to see them again. I applaud Lilac for their success and so forth
My parents didn’t understand my passion for music until I was 13 and able to scrounge up $$ to buy a playable guitar and teach myself. Up to that point they bought me toy instruments for a birthday or Christmas whenever I begged for one. They finally understood when they saw me onstage playing in a band. If only I could have grown up in a musical family like these lucky kids...
It's NOT "Lilac!" It's "LilIac" (Lil-I-ac) Romanian for "bat" (where their parents are from). Saw them in Denver last year - amazing show. These kids are going to go places.
I love this band so much... they have something from all the hair and metal bands of the 80's and 90's that i love... they have a better chance then normal being family but mark my words these guys are going somewhere!
Liliac is the thing Rock has been needing. Singers voice is fabulous. Their original songs are really good. If you haven't checked out their original songs, your missing out.
My absolute favorite band now. They have moved on to so many amazing things, from playing with Loverboy, Tom Keifer, Queensryche, Kiss Krise and Sam was just endorsed by Eddie Carlino's guitars. Their last show f their 2019 tour is Dec 13th at The mint in LA. I'm so excited for their 2020 tour
And don't forget they went on The Kiss Cruise in 2019, they had to be voted into the gig by listeners, I think it was only 5 bands to be invited to play along side Kiss...Not only that Liliac does a great cover!!!
I've been a Liliac fan for awhile now. It's fun to watch you as a vocal expert comment on their performance. Another cool family band I recently discovered is the Warning. Three very talented sisters from Monterey, Mexico. I'd like to see your reaction to them.
Melody sang a song when she was 14 years old it’s called need somebody to love amazing job that song and she was little also that song wild thing she was like 12 or something like that amazing voice she has
@@VocalSplendorStudios no, thank you. I have so much faith in them and they are really nice kids.i have a video posted of being them. They are recording their new album now. The just were one of the opening acts for Kiss on the kiss kruise. Once you get into them, you get hooked. A lot of their supporters are diehard fans. That's when you know it's something special.
I was completely caught off-guard by this Stunning performance . That young maiden can really sing . This attests to the longevity of Heavy Metal in a great way.
Yours was a pretty common reaction when you see Liliac for the first time. Mine was something like this (same video, I stumbled on it looking for a good cover of Enter Sandman): 0:30 - Hey, these kids can play! 0:50 - Wow! This is frigging amazing! 1:15 -- OH MY GOD!!!!! These kids are gonna go all the way. They're all amazing, and Melody is going to be talked about in the same sentence with people like Ann Wilson, Stevie Nicks, Lzzy Hale, and Amy Lee someday.
The sound that Melody has is what truly fuels my soul. That deep soulful rock. Lots of practicing for me to do it. I'd like you to see and share your reaction for Liliacs official cover of "Rainbow in the Dark". Its my current obsession.
Need to listen to The Warning a 3 sister rock band from Mexico!!! Listen to Dust to Dust, Crimson Queen, Survive, Queen of the Murder Scene. All original songs!!
I am very familiar with both the Warning and Motion Device. Liliac just finished their first US tour called the Chain of Thorns Tour. They recorded their first album last year and are currently working on the second one as we speak. Here is an original Liliac song; ua-cam.com/video/UFYCxSyCPS4/v-deo.html
The warning is doing in North America Tour this summer I have to say Pau is Savage on drums I'll step out and say she's compared to Ian paice and cozy Powell and Tiny Ale on base blows me away and Dani on lead and rhythm guitar also keyboard and vocals I'm 65 these three girls are on their way writing their own musics now Queen of the murder scene their album with dust to dust is an amazing single sorry I got carried away they are that good
And thid year Liliac is going to be the featured band at Rocklahoma. It is unheard of for a band to take main stage at Rocklahoma on their first appearacne.
LILIAC is Melody (singer/bass) just turned 18, Samuel (guitarist), 20, Abigail (deummer) 19, Ethan (bass/guitar) 13 and Justin (keys) 12. They were a few years younger in this video. Listen to ANY of their originals on their Chain of Thorns EP! They are amazing! Check out "Dancing in the Dark"! That really shows Melody's vocal range! You will love it (along with all the others).
First time visitor here. Loved your take on things. You're really cute and loved watching you.. You had this incredible grin on your face the whole time ❤️
Melody was 15 years old at the time of this Video.. Nobody does a better Dio than LiLiac. Awesome Band. The Father is the Producer of these great Videos. One of the best on UA-cam. They are also about to release their second Original Music Album. They are the real deal.
G-day from Australia 🇦🇺. I discovered these awesome kids on Facebook! Yes their great, Melody is awesome she reminds me of female rockers back in the day, Joan Jett, Doro Pesch of Warlock etc. she sings a great song of Janis Joplin piece of my heart , have you checked that one out ? If no has suggested this and as well check out their new songs their own work : We are the Children, Chain of thorns, Crazy night their new single to their new up & coming album Queen of hearts
Great reaction! They are part of a new generation of Rock'n'roll. You probably already know Greta Van Fleet, because they are well known, but actually, there is a bunch of very young and wonderful rock bands that are independent so unknown. Independent means they are not signed with any label and they live only by their fans' support, fans that discover them from mouth to ear or randomly on UA-cam. So exposure through reactors like you is very important. Liliac is one band of this list. I would actually love to see you make a series of reactions to these young bands. You will find that despite their ages, these bands are completely professional. They all started with covers but have now original songs. For Liliac, I suggest you react to their song Chain of Thorns. Then, I suggest the following bands. For each of them, I will suggest one song, but each of them have multiple ones. I guess the fans will tell you each time what to watch next... So: 1) Liliac: Chain of Thorns. 2) The Warning: Survive (live at TedX) 3) Motion Device: Thick Skin (as a UA-camr, you will live the topic) 4) Spinning Jenny: Hey Jenny. 5) Not your Girlfrenz: Never stop. There are more, but let's start with these. Thanks again lot!
I found this band Liliac with their cover of holy diver and have been in love ever since. Chain of Thorns is an amazing album. Hopefully their second album is longer that 20 minutes.
I only discovered them recently, watching the Holy Diver cover. At first I thought for sure this was all fake for sure. Then after a couple videos I realized it is all real and just amazing. They will be bigger than any rock band I've ever known. I just pray the fame doesn't destroy them. If they can keep the family together, then they can handle all the rough times that come from growing up.
The "Crazy Train" video from the pier is amazing also, but I really like all of their work!! even the earliest music when they were the "The Crista's" is awesome..I am hoping the tour bus brings them back to the East coast soon, but a bit further south next time!!
Thank you for this awesome reaction... these kids have been on tour with Loverboy, and a few other 80's rock idols this summer. Melody (15 years old in this video) likes to emulate Rodney Jame Dio... singing and theatrical style. Check out their cover Holy Diver by Dio.. and a Liliac original Dancing In the Dark. Keep up the great reactions... and again thank you for this reaction.... keep them coming. :)
The Cristea family are awesome,followed them since they started,Liliac consists of 19-year-old lead guitarist Samuel, 18-year-old drummer Abigail, 17-year-old frontwoman Melody on bass guitar and vocals, 12-year-old Ethan on rhythm guitar, and youngest brother Justin, 11, on keyboards,Florin and Nineta Cristea are their parents and Dad does everything for them
@@kraftsamuel acctually in Romanian liliac means bat but also the flower lilac. They obviously chose the name because of the bat meaning but she wasn't entirely wrong.
The bands name is pronounced Lili-ac.. Members, Melody, Sam and Ethan on guitars. Sam I the older one. Abby on drums, Justin on keyboards.. You like this version of Enter Sandman, you should definitely check out Holy Diver, Crazy Train, and Take Another Piece Of My Heart.. These guys are amazing and never tend to fail!!
I met these kids at a restaurant when I was there making balloon and they were having dinner. A real down to Earth family and was impressed with them even before listening to them rock out. .
The voice speaks for itself!! They are all great but Melody owns the stage. Believe me I am not taking anything away from any of the band members. They are all incredible. Nuff said
Melody’s vocals are killer!🤘🏼
These kids are disciplined in their training like I have never seen.. They ooze talent, I'm dumbfounded by these kids.
Their father was in a well known rock band in romania. Both parents from Transylvania, kids are all born in usa, great!
@@thespaceman1644 Do u know which Romanian band was the father in?
@@lukeflor The band was Cargo Lucian
Kids to some of us, but first time I heard of them, the youngest was 11, the oldest 20/21.
Melody was 17.
They practice one song for 3 hours straight!! Over & Over again. They know what it takes.
Melody is world class..
She is going to be the queen of rock. I love this band.
Shes got a few to depose.Doro is still here, then ya got Lzzy Hale, Britney Slayyes, Christina Scabbia. But yes she is in line for the throne.
She's in the royal family, but as long as Lzzy Hale is around, the throne is taken.
Floor Jansen will outsing anyone right now, but Melody is in line.
Richard Ikin agreed. I love Melody’s vocals (and Liliac overall) as the most refreshing thing I’ve heard recently, but would say Floor beats her for versatility, Floor cannot be beaten.
You guys are mistaken floor as the queen of rock she is actually the goddess the absolute best vocalist in the known universe.
As an Metallica fan since the 1980s I approve of this version. Well done 🤘
I agree with my almost 59 years 😍🤘🤘🤘😍
Melody always gets praised for her vocals. Fair enough they are about as pointy end as it gets. BUT she is a complete killer bass player as well.
This lady reacted just like I did!!! Melody and her band are on fire! They are on a fast track to fame and fortune. God Bless them.
Absolutely amazing. These kids give me goose bumps. I'm an ole rock fan from the 60's on up to today. Love all the ole bands, but this young group absolutely gives me goose bumps. Lovem.
Me too... Fantastic band... Just discovered them, and already a huge fan...😊🤘🏻❤️🎸🎵🎶🎵
Best version of that song that I've heard, literally. Such perfect everything, the band is so tight, and such beautiful energy. Melody's voice and hair.... I've got nothin' negative or neutral to say about them.
You need to listen to their new album just released in the fall Queen of Hearts. Unreal!
I'm an old dude. These kids do justice to the music I grew up on. This song is just a small taste of the talent that is to become.
Love me some Liliac! What an awesome family rock band! This rock band is going to shake the rock music world! Rock on and Rock Hard Liliac! 👍😎
...and Sam hitting every harmonic in those riffs! That's what you call a guitar player!
All of their stuff is great. They just nail it. The drummer especially.
I celebrate anything that gets kids interested in the Arts. Learning to read music, play instruments, sing, and just have fun.
This band really does make people smile.
This band has greatness from top to bottom.
I loved your honest surprised reaction to Liliac's sound. They are pretty awesome for sure!
It's going to be very interesting to watch Liliac develop as artists over the next few years. Amazing talent.
I was amazed by all of the them. Melody I believe was 15 in that video. Their parents did amazing with them.
FYI, I believe Melody was 15 in this video.
Chain of thorns is another great Liliac video.
Also check out The Warning from Mexico. They’re incredible live
I believe you're right 15 at the time of this video. She just turned 18 last November or December
Melody very much reminds me of Janis Joplin, holy diver was absolutely phenomenal, it was that song that got me hooked on them
Same here! They are great
Look up Piece of My Heart live......
More like a wonderful mix of Janis Joplin Stevie nicks and Aretha Franklin like damn she's Ronny James Dio reborn as a female
Their Jefferson Airplane cover of Somebody to Love is crazy good. I think you would most enjoy it.
ua-cam.com/video/HZ7_1KN6aXY/v-deo.html
Their version of Crazy Train is pretty cool also.
I agree with you on the singer, talented way beyond her years.
You must list to thier own song Mars! Absolutely amazing! Sounding like a world class band already!
That's " LILIAC" AND THANK YOU
FROM " LILIACA " AND MANAGMENT
ROCK ON & ROCK HARED 📡🎤📡🎶 AROUND THE WOIRLD !
Abigail and her mom came by my house a few years ago to conduct some businesses they were humble down-to-earth people I like the fact that they are not conceited I am glad that I met them. Can't wait to be able to see them again. I applaud Lilac for their success and so forth
Yes, Liliac!!! Listen to their original songs, Chain of Thorns or Dancing in the Dark
Mythical creatures and Mars.... or hit the lights even?
Have you heard their original "We are the Children"? Wow amazing, what a talented bunch of kids and Melody is off the charts with her vocals.
My parents didn’t understand my passion for music until I was 13 and able to scrounge up $$ to buy a playable guitar and teach myself. Up to that point they bought me toy instruments for a birthday or Christmas whenever I begged for one. They finally understood when they saw me onstage playing in a band. If only I could have grown up in a musical family like these lucky kids...
It's NOT "Lilac!" It's "LilIac" (Lil-I-ac) Romanian for "bat" (where their parents are from). Saw them in Denver last year - amazing show. These kids are going to go places.
I love this band so much... they have something from all the hair and metal bands of the 80's and 90's that i love... they have a better chance then normal being family but mark my words these guys are going somewhere!
Melody's got it.
These guys are rock stars!!!
They're a very powerful band
Liliac is the thing Rock has been needing. Singers voice is fabulous. Their original songs are really good. If you haven't checked out their original songs, your missing out.
Omgee I flipn love LILIAC!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 They ROCK !!!!!!!
Thank you for the review.
Love you guys 😍
Liliac MOM. ❤️ love you
Lydia Quinones Love you too Lydia. Stay safe. 😘
Love them. Awsome. Love the group. Cant wait to see what is next for them.
My absolute favorite band now. They have moved on to so many amazing things, from playing with Loverboy, Tom Keifer, Queensryche, Kiss Krise and Sam was just endorsed by Eddie Carlino's guitars. Their last show f their 2019 tour is Dec 13th at The mint in LA. I'm so excited for their 2020 tour
And don't forget they went on The Kiss Cruise in 2019, they had to be voted into the gig by listeners, I think it was only 5 bands to be invited to play along side Kiss...Not only that Liliac does a great cover!!!
Their parents did not "train them" they encourage them, these kids have natural talent and love what they do.
I've been a Liliac fan for awhile now. It's fun to watch you as a vocal expert comment on their performance.
Another cool family band I recently discovered is the Warning. Three very talented sisters from Monterey, Mexico. I'd like to see your reaction to them.
her voice omg unreal and this kids rock when i first heard her sing i got chills take a watch of there live on Rainbow in the Dark holy cow
I assume you already realize the band name is pronounced lily-ac!😃🦇🤘🦇💗Love your react to this amazing new band!
Love these kids they are bad ass loved to lesson to them love to have a CD of them
I had the pleasure of seeing these guys in concert last summer (they opened for Loverboy), and they are legit.
Melody sang a song when she was 14 years old it’s called need somebody to love amazing job that song and she was little also that song wild thing she was like 12 or something like that amazing voice she has
These kids are amazing their talent exceed their years
Woohoo, I think I suggested Liliac. I will share with them. They are great live as well. Saw them in August. Thank you for doing this for them. Al
Thank you so much! I love this band.
@@VocalSplendorStudios no, thank you. I have so much faith in them and they are really nice kids.i have a video posted of being them. They are recording their new album now. The just were one of the opening acts for Kiss on the kiss kruise. Once you get into them, you get hooked. A lot of their supporters are diehard fans. That's when you know it's something special.
@@VocalSplendorStudios Sam, the guitar player just saw the video on my facebook
I subbed and I just saw that their Enter Sandman video has gone viral at 5 M views! tonight I sure hope my video helped tip them over.
Finally a band bringing back rock’n’roll!
She will melt your face right off!
I’d love to see your take on the holy diver video. Her vocal range is so much better in that song.
Lilac is incredibly talented. Melody is a very mature vocalist for her age and enjoy the drummer.
I was completely caught off-guard by this Stunning performance . That young maiden can really sing . This attests to the longevity of Heavy Metal in a great way.
Yours was a pretty common reaction when you see Liliac for the first time. Mine was something like this (same video, I stumbled on it looking for a good cover of Enter Sandman):
0:30 - Hey, these kids can play!
0:50 - Wow! This is frigging amazing!
1:15 --
OH
MY
GOD!!!!!
These kids are gonna go all the way. They're all amazing, and Melody is going to be talked about in the same sentence with people like Ann Wilson, Stevie Nicks, Lzzy Hale, and Amy Lee someday.
The sound that Melody has is what truly fuels my soul. That deep soulful rock. Lots of practicing for me to do it. I'd like you to see and share your reaction for Liliacs official cover of "Rainbow in the Dark". Its my current obsession.
fantastic what a voice best female rock voice ever thesekids are something else can't get enough
Life long Metallica fan here. This was incredible. Thanks for introducing them to me...
They definitely need a recording company to snatch them up quickly.
Need to listen to The Warning a 3 sister rock band from Mexico!!! Listen to Dust to Dust, Crimson Queen, Survive, Queen of the Murder Scene. All original songs!!
Yes The Warning another great family band. You can also try Motion Device more metal from Canada.
I am very familiar with both the Warning and Motion Device. Liliac just finished their first US tour called the Chain of Thorns Tour. They recorded their first album last year and are currently working on the second one as we speak. Here is an original Liliac song; ua-cam.com/video/UFYCxSyCPS4/v-deo.html
The warning is doing in North America Tour this summer I have to say Pau is Savage on drums I'll step out and say she's compared to Ian paice and cozy Powell and Tiny Ale on base blows me away and Dani on lead and rhythm guitar also keyboard and vocals I'm 65 these three girls are on their way writing their own musics now Queen of the murder scene their album with dust to dust is an amazing single sorry I got carried away they are that good
And thid year Liliac is going to be the featured band at Rocklahoma. It is unheard of for a band to take main stage at Rocklahoma on their first appearacne.
Also listen to Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh. Nice bunch of kids. :)
LILIAC is Melody (singer/bass) just turned 18, Samuel (guitarist), 20, Abigail (deummer) 19, Ethan (bass/guitar) 13 and Justin (keys) 12. They were a few years younger in this video.
Listen to ANY of their originals on their Chain of Thorns EP! They are amazing! Check out "Dancing in the Dark"! That really shows Melody's vocal range! You will love it (along with all the others).
First time visitor here. Loved your take on things. You're really cute and loved watching you.. You had this incredible grin on your face the whole time ❤️
Keep watching this video over and over love it every time liliac is fantastic.
I saw their futures as soon as I saw them. They will be on radio soon. We can all say now we saw them grow from here.
Please do a reaction video of Liliac - Mars Acoustic Version
. This video captures Melody's voice in its pure essence.
Melody was 15 years old at the time of this Video.. Nobody does a better Dio than LiLiac. Awesome Band. The Father is the Producer of these great Videos. One of the best on UA-cam. They are also about to release their second Original Music Album. They are the real deal.
Have you heard her sing lately??? OMG!!! SHE JUST GETS BETTER WITH EACH SONG!!!!!! WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR PROFESSIONAL REACTION!
G-day from Australia 🇦🇺. I discovered these awesome kids on Facebook!
Yes their great, Melody is awesome she reminds me of female rockers back in the day, Joan Jett, Doro Pesch of Warlock etc. she sings a great song of Janis Joplin piece of my heart , have you checked that one out ?
If no has suggested this and as well check out their new songs their own work : We are the Children, Chain of thorns, Crazy night their new single to their new up & coming album Queen of hearts
Everytime I watch this band my hair stands on end. Live it!
Great reaction!
They are part of a new generation of Rock'n'roll.
You probably already know Greta Van Fleet, because they are well known, but actually, there is a bunch of very young and wonderful rock bands that are independent so unknown.
Independent means they are not signed with any label and they live only by their fans' support, fans that discover them from mouth to ear or randomly on UA-cam.
So exposure through reactors like you is very important.
Liliac is one band of this list.
I would actually love to see you make a series of reactions to these young bands. You will find that despite their ages, these bands are completely professional.
They all started with covers but have now original songs.
For Liliac, I suggest you react to their song Chain of Thorns.
Then, I suggest the following bands. For each of them, I will suggest one song, but each of them have multiple ones. I guess the fans will tell you each time what to watch next...
So:
1) Liliac: Chain of Thorns.
2) The Warning: Survive (live at TedX)
3) Motion Device: Thick Skin (as a UA-camr, you will live the topic)
4) Spinning Jenny: Hey Jenny.
5) Not your Girlfrenz: Never stop.
There are more, but let's start with these.
Thanks again lot!
Try there,version of holy,diver or,rainbow in,the dark,they,killed um
Liliac Version of Holy Diver is Amazing. Rainbow in the dark is also fantastic.
I found this band Liliac with their cover of holy diver and have been in love ever since. Chain of Thorns is an amazing album. Hopefully their second album is longer that 20 minutes.
Yeah they did
Rainbow in the Dark is AMAZING from these guys
Melody will be a superstar
I only discovered them recently, watching the Holy Diver cover. At first I thought for sure this was all fake for sure. Then after a couple videos I realized it is all real and just amazing. They will be bigger than any rock band I've ever known. I just pray the fame doesn't destroy them. If they can keep the family together, then they can handle all the rough times that come from growing up.
The girl has pipes! Great musicianship too.
Thanks for the reaction both professional and frank. I recieved the double pleasure -from Liliac and the reactioner herself.
The "Crazy Train" video from the pier is amazing also, but I really like all of their work!! even the earliest music when they were the "The Crista's" is awesome..I am hoping the tour bus brings them back to the East coast soon, but a bit further south next time!!
I was hoping you would have done Piece of my Heart that Lilac covered. Her voice is amazing on that one.
Thank you for this awesome reaction... these kids have been on tour with Loverboy, and a few other 80's rock idols this summer. Melody (15 years old in this video) likes to emulate Rodney Jame Dio... singing and theatrical style. Check out their cover Holy Diver by Dio.. and a Liliac original Dancing In the Dark. Keep up the great reactions... and again thank you for this reaction.... keep them coming. :)
Female (and hair) fierceness at its best.
Wow, that was awesome!!!👍🏻👏
Think it would be a great experience to be around their holidays with them
The Cristea family are awesome,followed them since they started,Liliac consists of 19-year-old lead guitarist Samuel, 18-year-old drummer Abigail, 17-year-old frontwoman Melody on bass guitar and vocals, 12-year-old Ethan on rhythm guitar, and youngest brother Justin, 11, on keyboards,Florin and Nineta Cristea are their parents and Dad does everything for them
This group of siblings absolutely rock😁🤟🤟#RORH!!
She has a hard hitting raspy voice that rocks.
Check out their cover of Dio's Rainbow In The Dark
Best hair work since the 80s
Their band name is pronounced " lily -ac " ...it means vampire bat. They are amazing.
It means Bat not vampire bat
@@kraftsamuel acctually in Romanian liliac means bat but also the flower lilac. They obviously chose the name because of the bat meaning but she wasn't entirely wrong.
Melody was 15 I do believe in this video
They do ROCK!!!!!
The bands name is pronounced Lili-ac.. Members, Melody, Sam and Ethan on guitars. Sam I the older one. Abby on drums, Justin on keyboards.. You like this version of Enter Sandman, you should definitely check out Holy Diver, Crazy Train, and Take Another Piece Of My Heart.. These guys are amazing and never tend to fail!!
I met these kids at a restaurant when I was there making balloon and they were having dinner. A real down to Earth family and was impressed with them even before listening to them rock out. .
Their performance on the show the worlds best with James Cordon "rainbow in the dark" was awesome. I also covered one of their originals on my channel
Most of Liliac's covers are awesome. But Melody really shows off her singing chops with their cover of Janice Joplin's "Peace of My Heart".
You’re reaction was great! You have a lovely smile
These kids are the real deal.
U guys r starting a ruckus everywhere u go. Haha
The voice speaks for itself!! They are all great but Melody owns the stage. Believe me I am not taking anything away from any of the band members. They are all incredible. Nuff said
Agreed!
Please listen to Nothing so damm awesome I get chills every time I listen to this Amazing!!!!!!
Not to many bands can cover an song and make it better than original !
Yes,and to put Dio influence in almost every song..to sound Dio-nish..if understand me..
To really get the power of her voice, you need to hear her sing Trooper!
Watch their version of Wild Thing when Melody was only 14 years old what a voice!!!!!!!!
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