OrcaSlicer 2 - YOU should try OrcaSlicer - What's new? Is it finally time to switch?
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2024
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Today we take a look at Orcaslicer for the first time ever on the channel.
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"I pronounce it gyroid because I'm normal" brilliant!
try 3D honeycomb, faster then gyroid, similar to it but less material less time
@@tomaskara902 Did you watch the first 3 mins of the video?
@@tomaskara902 than*
I was interested in the drier until I went to their website and lost ALL interest in the product. who the hell designed that website ?!
Maybe I’m biased because i recently got the phaetus dragon UHF and absolutely love every aspect of it. But I don’t see the issue with their website. They have a really cool interactive 3D simulation on their site where you can inspect the dryer. They don’t sell anything on their site though you have to go through resellers which is not uncommon. What about the site is bad?
At the very least the where to buy links could link to the actual product and not just the home page of an online seller
I dont know why my comments keep getting deleted this has become a real problem with youtube
Flash was killed to prevent this kind of abomination.
🤢🤢🤢
Adaptive bed meshing was firstly developed by a member of the Voron community for klipper, then it was implemented in the klipper code it self
Sadly on the KAMP github page there is no note that KAMP is not needed with Klipper 0.12.0 onwards any more. So people install KAMP on Klipper 0.12.0 and that can get messy.
It was an ideal of a guy in reprap forum(It already worked at that time). I also made a macro based on that ideal to do that in klipper even before Voron guys write the custom module.
Deep in the rabbit hole 😁👍
You don't know how disappointed I was that they didn't name the infill "Space Bees" 😂
everyone petition them now. "Space Bees" should be the official name
Your comments about Gyroid shaking a printer to pieces is spot on.
A print just failed due to the coupler shaking off the drive shaft of the stepper motor, and the main suspect is the gyroid infill used in a very large print.
Yeah, I avoid gyriod pretty much at all costs cause of how aggressively it shakes.
Rabbits aren't rodents. And I turn on captions because my hearing sucks.
Also, good to see you have about the same results with scarf seams that I have - needs more tuning than I'm interested in doing right now.
Langamorphs.
Ok so regarding scarf seams... I did some testing and to get a really good result you have to really apply all the recommendations. So, stagger seams, 3 perimeters, 0.6 outer perimeter, inner/outer/inner printing, disable wipe settings etc. so it is not for every situation, but that is why they made a conditional option.
I just want to explain why Orca Slicer has a adaptive Meshing feature: The native adaptive Mesh in Klipper gets in Values for where to Mesh in the exclude objects, that seems to be alright, until you find out that this doesnt include things like a brim or a scarf. The OrcaSlicer adaptive mesh includes this so the probing points include brim and scarf.
Thank you for the video. I have been using it for 6 months. I like it for the multiple plates you can have at one time if you are working on a project.
LIterally an hour ago i had to download Orca Slicer 2.0.0 for a print i was doing. Perfect timing!🤣
Perfect timing. I installed klipper for the first time last weekend and I am figuring out the modifications i want to my start print config
I like the sound of your old mike much better. I would appreciate if you tune your audio postprocessing a bit as the old sound made your videos much more pleasant to listen to. but don't stress over just one guys opinion on the internet ;)
Yeah I will be trying to sort it out
Switched to Orca from Superlicer few months ago, mainly for powering my ERCF v2 since it’s color management is better implemented.
New features are a plus, no doubt, but is improving rapidly. Still I miss some of the Superlicer superior controls over slicing parameters.
This new feature seams like a good idea 👀 I request more mushrooms in the future,thank you!
you bet!
Started using it 2 days ago when I switched my ender 3 pro to Klipper! Feels really nice.
for scarf joint seams, increase the distance to make it blend much better
I can't wait to see how the z rabbit hopping feature improves in the future!
I have been using Orca Slicer for a while and its my fav
handles large loads well and has some of the most advanced features
What are the advanced features that is missing in other slicers?
Quite a nice rabbit, seems to be enabled for me every time, hard time figuring out how to stop it
Did you know rabbit's teeth never stop growing?
I did. Same with mice and rats which is why they destroy wiring.
@@LostInTech3D"i must destroy the world, or my own body will destroy me." Metal af
Beavers too right?
I help Plum Thee Bunny and Caye Da' Otha' Bunny from having overgrown teeth problems by giving them bamboo chew sticks. Happy bunnies.
I seemed to do pretty well recognizing when a scarf seam wasn't used. It's a pretty decent improvement, even if you do need to do a lot of tuning at the moment to make the most of it. I'm sure they will be figured out and will become a standard feature.
Loving Orca! The mic is fine. Cheers!
The flow compensation stuff on top layers is needed because non perfect pressure advance. Pressure advance is heavily dependant on accels, and somewhat dependant on speeds. So as you speed up you need less and less pressure advance and the stock klipper PA struggles with this because it’s linear pressure advance. With danger klipper bleeding edge there is nonlinear pressure advance that you can create a curve that lowers the effective pressure advance value as speeds increase. This means you can get pretty perfect top layers
Interested in this non linear PA thing in the danger version of Klipper. I could not find it in the feature list of the repo, do you have some literature about it?
@@GabrielAlejandroZorrilla there’s effectively no information on it apart from ppl talking about it in discords like armchair engineering but it’s only part of the bleeding edge branch of danger klipper
That rabbit optimization looks great!
As somebody who really likes Prusa: No, I don't think Prusa invented adaptive meshes. You could use macros in Klipper to do it long before Prusa released the Mk4 and XL.
Great music interludes! Sorry, you were saying? Oh, yes, bees and scarves.
It does seem similar to linear advance in that overtuning it to make the seam disappear results in underextrusion all over the place, and linear advance is tuned with test parts, so I assume good tests for scarf seams will appear too.
Space bees made good looking buzz :)
you know, for the last four days of my subscription the rabbits have whispering in my ear about something... something about posting a comment to boost engagement??? idk but keep up the good content :3
Well I guessed right on the scarf joints except the balloon dog, but not necessarily because of quality. The scarf joints on the rabbit seam and black ball seam looked a lot better at least. Honestly I have found Orca's seams so much harder to tune than Cura's and I'm not sure why, but they look like crap without a lot of tuning. The closed captions are quite funny, BTW.
The close up pics were awesome! Your optimized seams were really clean. A lot of good and potentially useful features, but I def suspect they will cause problems for a lot of people not very adept at tuning their slicer hahaha.
Drying a filament at room temperature takes ages and the equilibrium humidity concentration air Vs filament leaves basically too much in the filament. Temperature changes the equilibrium ratio in/out. So drying sucks at room temperature, and I say after having a box maintained at 1-13% humidity for years.
But for printing and maintaining, good idea.
I've used Cura with CR-10 V2, but now I bought Neptune 4 Max in February and moved to OrcaSlicer and love it so much
I usually set the seam location to nearest, this keeps errors from compounding when using Scarf Joints.
I tried Orca, I found it extremely convoluted, settings hidden or missing (haven't found a way to set different inner and outer wall flow rates), the documentation is "almost" non existent, some very complicated settings display a single useless line of text when you hover over them and when you click them they send you to the Wiki's Home presumably because there is nothing about that setting specifically in the wiki, specially when compared to Cura with the Settings Guide plugin and those nice walls of text, not to mention the whole support painting stuff is a nightmare.
That said, I love all the stuff that people ask from Cura for years and they never implement, like the Gcode viewer, Flow rate limiter, preview lines by flow, quality of life stuff like "one wall top surface" and the stuff that can't be in Cura because of the way it works by assuming the extruded lines are a square instead of an oval shape like "Precise Wall".
Thank you for another good video :)
Please make a video on overlaps! I see issues related to it almost daily where the settings profile people are using has a very high default value. The problem is that this will look quite similar to over-extrusion (it technically is but local), especially on small areas with short lines where the pressure builds up. Usually the first thing that comes to peoples minds is to lover the extrusion multiplier witch gives the problem that everything else become under-extruded.
Things to keep in mind:
Skin overlap and infill overlap is often confused in Cura terms.
If more than 5-10% overlap is needed, something else is likely wrong. Like loose belts or general under-extrusion.
Wedge shapes or circular areas are great for demonstrating the effect of overlap.
The absence of, or poorly calibrated pressure advance can give similar results or add to the issue.
OrcaSlicer is fantastic!
Been using it for a long time, the UI is somewhat easier to use and remember than Prusa slicer, haven't tried 2.0 yet but glad this is being worked on
For some reason subtitles are enabled by default in my android UA-cam app. And I don't always bother to turn them off.
You are very easy to understand.
Same here, I was just being cantankerous 😂 I'm glad people read the subs since I put effort into them
I don't understand why these new features are going to help the prints capture 35% less floating rabbit hair, like you claim.
I use a similar drybox concept to keep filament dry. not the fastest way to dry something, but it will work with time.
With superslicer semi abandoned, I might have to give orcaslicer a look. It would unify my slicing software some.
Rabbits are pretty fluffy tho
I use subtitles for everything, I have roomates and share a bedroom with my SO so I sometimes have the volume quite quiet. That and it just helps when I'm distracted.
Cool, last time I looked at Orca Slicer, I don't recall seeing support for Reprap so I never bothered. I might give it a chance now that there is support, though I do eventually plan to klipperize a duet and see what the fuss is about.
I think Reprap fw would be more popular if it was a bit more generalist with hardware. I've not managed to look at it yet for that reason
I really hope that the scarf seems become like retraction, I didn't realize they were still kind of jank..
I still like cubic infill best though
Tried Orca, only went back to Cura due to lack of 'slicing tolerance' setting in Orca. When Orca has a setting for slicing tolerance ( not 5 different settings to fiddle with, just a drop down of 3 selections ) I'll go to Orca.
Slicing tolerance is amazing. I did a vid on it a while back.
Awesome outro 😎
the very best outro!
@@LostInTech3DI prefer the 80s style synth rave one myself
The filament dryer seems very interesting. I have one that is essentially just a dumb warm box but having something with a bit more smarts about it seems like a good idea. Will you be doing a full review on said product at some point?
Edit Loving the tunes btw
probably not but it's already pencilled in to be included again with the smart functions, so it will appear more!
Just installed Orca last weekend, straight to printing. Looks more user-friendly then Prusa, but it has some weirdness in search option field, maybe it's localisation problem, haven't tested it enough. Also some strange defaults for my printer, for example flow was set lower than 100%
I would enjoy a full video on filament drying
Hmm I can certainly put it on the list!
Thanks!
Is there an option to import profiles from prusa slicer to orca? I don't think my printer (Ender 2 pro) has a profile on orca.
Err probably not, you could try saving as 3mf in prusa and opening in orca but I don't think it would work
I own a FLSUN SR printer, Orca Slicer does not have a profile for that printer. It has all the other printer profiles for FLSUN 3d printers. I would love to try out Orca Slicer to see how it compares to Cura. Just waiting on Orca Slicer to include an SR profile.
Hmm you can most likely use the v400 by slowing it down, especially if you have klippered your SR
Funny thing about 3d honeycomb vs gyroid: if you enable arc fitting in orca slicer gyroid is again faster then 3d honeycomb (or at least the estimated time calculated by orca slicer I haven't tested it in real life printing)
that does seem weird. Sounds like someone needs to record some slowmo of both
@@LostInTech3D Not entirely when you think about it since gyroid are essentially constantly mirrored arcs, so it can be arc fitted quite nicely which reduces the gcode. The question remains if an arc fitted arc actually prints faster then a regular segmented arc...
From the quiz I could very clearly tell.... not saying it was better or even improved, but I could see the difference from the standard seam.... Bunny had weird artifacts all over too.
When you think about it, a slicer is really amazing in what it does. It can take your stl model, which is in no way related to G-Code and convert it to a list of commands so the printer can print it. It's probably the most complex and important part of your 3D printing setup as badly optimised G Code means bad printing.
I added some custom macros recently which activated the adaptive bed mesh for SuperSlicer (Prusa Slicer) and saw it for the first time. It was a little surprising, but also refreshing to see how quick it was compared to a full mesh
Yeah I've got quite a lot of insight into how these sliver things work under the hood and it's mind boggling. Lot of geometry stuff.
I find it interesting that you say "there is no need to design around this in cad because its in orcaslicer". I have been actually going exactly the opposite direction and attempt to design for printing without needing to change slicer settings except for quality reasons. I generally note needing to turn supports on at all as a problem that may need to be revisited. My ideal stl file is already in printing orientation with all necessary supports pregenerated before the slicer ever sees it.
I learned CAD to print my designs. Still need to learn how to add support to model.
@@srilemobitelsrile8809 Modern slicers do make this pretty easy. Turning on "support from bed" works in the majority of cases that need some support. My thing is that I want future repeatability. Supports are fine for one offs, but if I make a part I may depend on and need years down the line, I don't want to have to remember how I printed it.
@@carpdog42 Same. I want it to be easier. Just to click print without checking support. I want for my models to have support built in. Do you know how to add them to model?
The dryer is cuter than a rabbit. Wink wink
Have you tried lightning infill (recommend 60%) or adaptive cubic (recommend ~30%)? They save a lot of time (obviously not suitable for all prints).
Think you need to move further back from the new mic - the soundtrack is very bass and breath heavy. Not sure the old one didn't have a nicer tonal quality too.
Love Orca, after getting a P1S machine though I did kind of go backwards with using Bambi studio just because starting out I wanted a smooth problem free experience to move forward from.
I haven’t really found for my use case anything I need that’s not in Bambi Studio yet that’s exclusive to Orca though. 🤷♂️
yes - bambu are really quick at rolling orca new things back into their slicer, so if you have a bambu it's an interesting situation for sure.
2:10 That would be counterproductive, as bees actually make circular tubes that get compressed into hexagonal ones by gravity. 🐝
TIL!
Yes the mic sounds different. Consider adding a bit of bass in the mix because it's a bit reedy. Something strange about rabbits. What's this "Auker Slicer" and where do I get it?
Argh I thought I'd corrected all those 🤣 it's the Anker version maybe
Most people don't know this but bees actually build honeycomb in circles, but as it builds up the weight turns them into hexagons 🐝
I saw in your gcode there is no under extrusion going on. The layer height gradually changes. And if it doesn't look like it does, it might be the layer before was sloped.
As a kid we had 3 rabbits in a big ground hutch that we thought were all female. By the time we discovered one was male they had 3 litters for a total of 16 rabbits. The first litter had been fully grown by the time we discovered it.
I would like to register my surprise upon learning of people who don't think it's possible to dry filament out in a sealed environment with desiccant. But I suppose in this era people need to find new religions to turn to, heated filament ovens are better than some of the alternatives, I guess.
Klipper has had adaptive mesh for a long time but its nativity in Klipper as of Klipper 12
Weird ... on my Klipperized Sapphire Plus (corexy) gyroid prints faster and makes less noise than 3d honeycomb. I tried it hoping to save time and have less shaking, but just the opposite happened. I think it also makes sense as gyroid has very little corners and hence just continuous full throttle, whereas honeycomb does have 30 degree corners. But then why are others claiming 3d honeycomb is faster? Is it just my printer?
i just tested it
scarf joint seams are cool
but gap filling can't be turned off
so i'm back to cura
it also doesn't have surface mode slicing
gap filling can be turned off if you mean what I think you mean, you have to set the minimum gap fill to >2mm or something.
I know this because it annoys me too :)
@@LostInTech3D ah there it is:
strength - infill - filter out tiny gaps
i just did 100mm
no more gap filling, because that really is annoying
now it's just surface mode that's missing 😅
@@LostInTech3D at least avoid crossing perimeters works better than combing
Please do a video on Flexible PLA filament settings. I can't get mine to print at all!! I can print TPU perfectly.
I don't know if you can get flexible pla here, I looked a while back. I'm definitely interested.
Well the thing about rabbits is the softness and squishiness. How the hell are you gonna do that on a 3D Printer? I could ramble on and on about rabbits but I think you get the point. Let me know how you feel. Do you have rabbits? Do you like rabbits? At the end of the day I would say better a rabbit than rabies
All the rabbits in your video are great 👍
New mic sounds like an old school dialup telephone signal. Pretty kewl
I installed orca slicer 2.0 and fought with it for a couple of hours yesterday. It will not retract or do the scarf joints.
Though I must admit that I have not actually had the opportunity to confirm the claim and probably wouldn't have if I had, as
i don't much care for bees, bees do actually make 3D honeycombs, or rather open truncated octahedra. Basically you take the truncated octahedron, slice it in half along a plane that, lo and behold, outlines a hexagon, after which you glue the two halfs back together, back to back but slightly offset, and you got yourself what would appear to be two back to back hexagonal honeycombs that really are 3D truncated octahedra. And yes, they do actually tile 3D space, just as hexagons tile 2D space.
I should mention that it may remember incorrectly and it may really be the rhombic dodecahedron and not the truncated octahedron, or perhaps both, I dunno. My point simply beeing that the statement of fact regarding honeycombs early in the video, is not in fact... well, fact.
Also, the image shown of the 3D honeycomb is in fact made up of truncated octahedra, and is exactly the structure to which I am referring, though the prominent grid of octagon on the top of the structure, is not of course the right plane .
2:11 ...I guess the bees have been 3d printing for a lot longer than you and me :)
About the dryer, first "OMG the website auto-plays music, RUN!". But seriously, drying filament doesn't work like that, you need to heat it to excite the molecules and increase the chance of them escaping the inside of the filament wire. It will definitely work for already dry filament, but if it's just a box, a hygrometer and silica gel pack, isn't it just an over-priced, over-complicated dry box?
This is what I've always thought as well. Keeping in mind, of course, that I'm not a material scientist, and I could definitely be wrong, it seems to be that water absorption by filament is a one-way process unless you add energy to the system to reverse it. Simply making the surrounding air less humid won't cause the filament to let go of its water just to maintain equilibrium. (It's a very pretty dry box, though.)
Thanks for taking the time and effort of making these videos and sharing Your knowledge.
Best regards.
P.S. Not critique just voicing a personal opinion, Your new "mike" i.e. the sound (in this video) is very clear but a bit "sharp" ((lot of high frequencies ?)).
P.P.S when I was taking out the garbage Yesterday I found a "fresh" rabbit's head lying beside one of my flowerbeds (the rest of the rabbit was no where to be found)... And now You are asking about it.... What are the odds ;)
Yes agree on the mic. I don't like it at all. I tried balancing the output but I feel like a monkey at the controls sometimes 🤣
Rabbits sure have a strange way of spelling different slicer software names
Do you think rabbits use scarf joints?
The problem with that drier is that silica gel becomes less effective if it's heated... and I'd rather heat the filament more. >.>
Finaly a review for a best slicer ever made so far.
Didn't know you had a rabbit! So cute.
They should add rabbit infill for sure, it is definitely the best option.
Also, Its funny that Cura wasn't even mentioned in this video once....Seems like Cura gave birth to Arachne and died. And i say that as a former Crua user who jumped ship for Orca. I think Cura Master Branch may have integrated the sacrificial layer feature first, feature was called remove holes above air.
Cura is still buzzing along, just been a couple months since any features that would make a good video
@@LostInTech3D Yes, but actually they have had a lot of issues and bugs that came along with the big 3.4 (Arachne) release, all unresolved. They still cant get their seams straight, literally. And they are falling quite behind in relevant features and UI integrations in the SS/PS/OS world. Starting to feel irrelevant. I think Curas best days are behind it, and suspect it will start to fall from relevance. And I was Cura pre Orca.
Technically the cells in an actual honey comb are a series of cylindrical holes, so what we refer to as a honeycomb pattern isn't. There, I said it. 😊
Im gonna be real. The new mic does not sound as good as the previous (I thought this before going back to an older video to confirm my initial thought), at least with your current audio settings. Though the old one was a bit tinny, it had much more clarity. for example 0:19 the s+c on slicer, its just not clear sounding. just my thoughts anyways.
As a (probably meaningless) aside, "Viguden" in Swedish means "The God of We" or possibly "We the God". Only the rabbits know if that's intentional.
O.M.G.
Adaptive mesh is overrated if you use a naked glass bed that is verified flat. On marline I found a way to probe 3 points X number of times (I do 10), then discard the outliers, and finally average out the remaining data points. If I remember correctly, I'm auto discarding two high and two low leaving 6 measurements that then get averaged out.
I use subtitles because youtube assumes I want them, because live in a spanish speaking country or something
What i don't get is why having seams at all? Why not make vase mode possible all the time? I don't get why vase mode couldn't be combined with top layer sliceing.
I wished to _quickly_ try out Orca Slicer, but it cannot import profiles from gcode (slicer settings are stored there when using _Prusa Slicer and Friends_ (3DPP reference 😇), maybe already from Slic3r era) - bummer.
SuperSlicer is more attractive to developers, because new features and ideas are easier to get through, but those new features might not work well in all situations. Cura and Prusa Slicer aim for stability and general features for everyone.
Scarf joint seems like it needs specific calibration (that we do not want to do for -normal- ordinary seams 😅). There is some promise, but getting consistent width of the extruded bead (within possibilities given plasticity of molten filament and round nature of extrusion and nozzles) while raising the nozzle might not be easy task. Better? Possibly. Perfect? No 😃
Some people are forgetting nozzle dimensions and at what height the scarf must begin (to adhere to layer below) and thus ignore that scarf requires outer wall first (good for dimensions, bad for overhangs - or at least used to be 🤔).
Maybe I'll wait for better seam also for overhangs before getting excited about Orca Slicer and scarf joint.
Yes, I realize the SV08 is still under NDA but I have one question I think you’re allowed to answer. Do you like the printer?
I do actually. Idk if it's under NDA or not at this point, I can probably answer many questions 😁
@@LostInTech3D I appreciate the reply and I look forward to the review, cheers!
been using orca and bambu since i got my p1s...
rabbits do a death roll when they are in great pain
just opened orcaslicer v2.0 again after 2 hours and all my user presets are gone (TwT). I don't understand why this happened.
nvm I had removed the printer type from the setting, idk why that I need to keep that information
So, the space bees infill is rabbit hole infill in reality?
Something about rabbits!
You said to do it....
41% of rabbits have to use subtitles to be able to hear.
the rabbits are frolicking about because i need to have the feature enabled for other non-speaking/foreign videos :)
I watch with subtitles because of tinnitus