I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
I've had the HiKoki for a while now and love it. But I was going to buy a Milwaukee tomorrow so I am glad this review popped up because I don't think I'll bother now. Cheers guys for another great review.
@@jethro1066 I don't see the point really. It's massive and you have to carry around a special compressor just for that nailer. I don't see why anyone would by that over a cordless nailer. To me it is an invention that has arrived 15 years too late.
Tools & Stuff interesting, I know we’ve chatted before and you made me cry about my hilti. I’m finally coming back to the land of the piss down. And was just wondering about a few tools. I’ve seen the prices for when I get home and they scare me, a little. So I was comprising a wish list in my head.nailer being one. Here’s one, do you ever use bumpfire?
I’ve had my hikoki for over a year now. We work with a lot of hardwood doing renovations. It’s been great although it doesn’t skew nail that well. My bosses paslode is a headache. It’s fussy, high maintenance and lacks power. Blows my mind the paslode guns are so expensive. I’d hand nail everything over buying one 😂
Loved my dewalt! Last about 5 years, new driver last year spent $300. Started playing up, not the spring kit, decided to get a milwaukee. At $529 in Australia, the dewalt is still a really good buy
I have never used nail gun before so I really want to purchase a reasonable good one for framing and finish nailing. I'm trying to cedar log home myself with Maybe a laborer at times. It is a little confusing absolutely don't want a compressor to mess with. I'm not building houses for a living. I wish they had a tool kit that includes nailers. Yes I'm a woman but I can learn. I've designed and contracted to homes myself. I had absolutely no experience but I've always watched people at work and I study on whatever I'm going to do. I studied almost two months how to lay tile for my bigger home cuz I couldn't afford the expensive tile that I wanted and pay someone to install it. I happened to buy half-inch handmade Kyle which was beautiful but as you know the edges are not Square. 2000 lb for me to take on but I knew what I wanted and I got it done and swore I would never lay tile again. Well it's been 20 years so I will be changing my mind. I appreciate your opinions on the tools that you talked about. I'm still a little confused the prices are so different and outrageous. Do you have a preference to a finish nailer?? I'm still confused on Brad nailers pin nailers. I know what they are but I don't know why they can't make one gun for all three jobs.
Hi Starlsd! Thanks for your comment! We all have to start somewhere, I did the same as you, constantly learning on youtube when I first tried new jobs. A few quick answers: - Nails guns can only use one gauge of nail unfortunately. - Some 18 Gauge (also known as 'C1 Nails') nailers can also fire staples, but none of the battery ones as far as I know. You probably won't need staples for a house construction anyway. - I think your best bet is to buy a two-pack from one of these brands, containing a framing nailer and a fixer/brad nail gun. The fixing gun could be 15Ga (also known as DA) or 16Ga (also 'C' nails). It doesn't really matter much, they are very similar. It also doesn't matter much whether you get an angled fixer or a straight fixer. - You can definitely buy a two pack (with batteries) in Paslode, Dewalt or Hikoki, possibly Milwaukee. Nailers can be quite heavy. If you'd like to keep the weight right down, Paslode is the lightest, Dewalt a bit heavier, the other two brands a lot heavier. Dwain
you two really give a good, clear and factual demonstration on this, there are loads of videos where the reviewer is the owner of the tool and therefore really talks it up but you two don’t do that. Top blokes, top review!
Excellent review, however, I think I would have put a bit more emphasis on the fact that the Milwaukee can 'optionally' hold twice as many nails as the others.
Great review. I have owned a Paslode for many years and without a doubt its the most unreliable and frustrating tool i have ever owned. Many times i've wanted to smash the bloody thing. Doesn't matter how many times you clean it either. That's a poor excuse as i see it ,for a tool that lacks power and is so unreliable. My next will be Hikoki.
Hikoki is great in many areas. But my god the belt hook is awful & the weight can sometimes make life hard. But out the 4 it is my choice (haven’t used milwaukee)
I have the Hikoki framer running the 36v multi volt battery platform and a Hikoki 15ga finish nailer, both are brilliant and perform well ! Love using them !
Paslode has stood the test of time. Let’s see what the other brands are like after a few years. They ALL have issues eventually. I will say this though, Paslode are “Nailgun people” the others are “Powertool people”
Some of these guns can be finished?? That would be a godsend for me. I'm a woman that wants to finish my house correctly like a work of art. I even bought a nice router and table and bought $50 more a special bits. Feeling the Box because I have to learn quite a bit. I really appreciate all of your expert opinions I've bought a lot of Sears Craftsman products before. They do stand by their products not sure I'm sure can power tools. I would like to build things other than finish my home to make money at home. Like dog houses with special needs. I would like to take Consignments from people by looking at their home and their lifestyle with their dogs or whatever kind of pet they have.
Paslode got problems with gas, Dewalt uses a flywheel so different to others Milwaukee only new got no history to back up longevity Hikoki go no gas no flywheel but does have the history to back up longevity and performance so it gets my 🗳
I just used mine extensively for a year. It starts to misfire and nails don’t go in all the way. That’s your cue to send it to the repairman. They fill up the nitrogen canister and it comes back like new !
Hard to fault the Hikoki. I’m on dewalt myself but the hikoki framer is a beast. I wouldn’t trust anything with Milwaukee written on it, their whole range is poorly engineered and unreliable.
@@zaneh6224 The only problem I ever have with my Paslode is sometimes it starts dry firing because the follower in the magazine sticks. I believe its caused by the glue on the nails, so cleaning helps. Other than that it is extremely reliable.
Soooo long story short....Get 2 the milwaukee for the longs the dewalt for the shorts.....The Hikoki is a rock in a hard place.......And the Pasalodes legendary history for the bin.......
I had 2 Dewalt guns both shit themselves. Bought the hikoki gun, have it a year now and it's by far a better gun. The paslode are way lighter but more trouble, shoud be banned on sound alone.
Would be nice to see this same comparison done during winter, just to see how these guns work in -20 celsius. Paslode will not work because the gas does not like cold, and I would not count on Hikoki either because of the compressed air. DeWalt works just fine, can not say anything for the Milwaukee yet.
Well, it has been done during winter, since these guys are from Australia (Winter over there), over there can get cold, but not as cold as you are asking.
Excellent and thorough review as always guy’s! You should give the paslode im360ci a bash! Probably still not the best but I won’t change it for anything. A friend I work with went through two default framers in 8 months and went back to paslode but is now using that hikoki which is a nice tool but by hell is that belt hook annoying
If all 4 were used equally for a year and the same tests were done then, do you think the results would the same? I guess durability could be a big factor for people looking to buy.
It all depends on the gun I have a paslode and love it wouldn’t change from paslode but one of the bloke I work with had issues with his so bought a Hikoki has had it about 2 months and it’s shit it self already and another bloke loves hikoki has all there cordless stuff and just bought a hikoki cordless dropsaw and he said he wouldn’t get the nailer
The Hikoki will fuck up after 6 months in the UK 4 guys bought the gun within 6 months of each other all different models all have the same problem of misfiring. The spring which pushes the nails up after a shot is just not strong enough this means you have to push the nails up after every shot. Consistent problem throughout different models. I wouldn't recommend the Hikoki to anyone
I've used Hitachi for last year. It works great.. every now and then it misses a nail between clips of nails. Must be the type of nails or glue. Only does it between clips
Love the Hikoki, have one and don't mind the weight. My only wish is that the tip was a little more aggressive, like the paslodes. The same can be said for the Milwaukee, would benefit from an agressive tip. I wonder if it can be purchased as an aftermarket/upgrade part?
Great video guys. As much as the non gas nailers are reliable and powerful, I've never gone over to them purely based on their additional weight and bulkyness compared to the Paslode. I can fire a couple if thousand nails a day when roofing on a big job, and the extra weight is punishing on your wrist/arms. Its not usual to machine fun nails in like in your tests, so I don't find the Paslode wanting in that regard. You've just got to keep the thing clean. Cheers from the UK.
I love my Hitachi/Hikoki I also have the brader as well... They haven't skipped a beat and just works when I want it to work. (I also have the AEG Brad nailers and prefer the Hitachi one over them) The weight you point out doesn't bother me and haven't really noticed it... My rafter hook isn't that big like the one you got... ? My "father in Law" been a builder for 50 odd years... and a Paslode user for years is seriously thinking of switching to Hitachi/Hikok after using mine for a while...
I had the paslode for over 20 years.. Same gun.. Serviced it regularly myself.. Finally shit itself a couple of years ago and I bought the Hitachi.. Loved the paslode but compared to the Hitachi its not as good.. The Hitachi for me is a great tool... Apart from the rafter hook.. Cheers.
I had exactly the same issues with my paslodes. The were great for 5 years then issues crept in I brought a hitachi wouldn’t go back to any gas gun now
I've had 2 Dewalt framers previous generation and neither have lasted very long before only shooting nails in halfway. Hopefully the gen 3 lasts. But ill stick with the Milwaukee
Just don't get the paslode cordless finishing nailer the electronics are poorly designed and it breaks often, their framer and pneumatic tools are good
@@christopherlee622 the problem we have with the paslodes here in the UK are that they refuse to fire when it's cold as the gas doesn't like it. I recently bought the Milwaukee, I could have got the hikoki twin kit for only a little more money but I liked the look of the Milwaukee.
@@garethheathcote4988 yeah we run into that here in Alberta Canada as well, and the milwaukee as well as the hikoki both do a good job of dealing with this. I sell three of these guns at my job and get reviews back from direct and continuous use in the field. my comment on the finish nailer was more from a service perspective, where the design does cause the gun to break more often. the hikoki is the first to really unseat the paslode in regular use though even with the problems in the cold
Most people are gonna stick with the tool platform they are already heavily invested in. As far as best choice of systems, IMO - Milwaukee wins by a mile. Their new nailers just fill in a gap they had, and seem to perform on par as all their other tools. You can have my Milwaukee tools when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
Great review. By the way, Paslode just said "hold my beer" and dropped the price of their full gun kit below that of any other brand's bare tool only cost. As a hobbiest simply working on my own house projects and not owning any batteries of the brands you reviewed, the Paslode is still quite attractive.
People complain about Paslodes, but they last at least a decade of day in day out thrashing, the nails come with gas, often times you can't even get any other brand nails where I live, parts are easily available, and most importantly, you can service it yourself. If your Paslode needs servicing, you can be back in business within a few minutes, and if you want it done by a professional, it can be done locally and back probably same day. If one of these battery guns packs up you are sending it away and are out of action for weeks. The Dewalt is particularly bad, because once that flywheel mechanism packs up, nobody can fix it. They are insanely complex inside. These ones with sealed gas pistons are better, but they eventually get weak and need re gassing or replacing. That's not quick or cheap. I would love to have a Milwaukee, don't get me wrong, so powerful and convenient, but a Paslode is an investment. You just can't go wrong with their reliability and durability. Also they are so much lighter, which matters when you have that thing hanging off your belt or above your head all day. My Dewalt 16 gauge nailer just packed up and I already had the Framemaster so I grabbed a Paslode. Another great thing about Paslodes is that they always come with two batteries and a charger for a similar price to the tool only with the other guns. I have Dewalt and Makita batteries, and Makita still have no cordless framer, and can't make a finish nailer that's actually good, much as I love their tools, and honestly the Dewalt framer sucks. Dewalt bradders are pretty good, but mine lasted 5 years and crapped itself. I'm just not keen on investing in a third battery system when Paslode is so much more value for money to get into. If you are already on the Milwaukee or Hikoki platforms, their guns are much more attractive, but man they are heavy. Aiso the Hikoki doesn't like the cheap nails that you get without gas, and runs best on Paslode nails, which are only sold without gas in big stores, so the one at work just causes piles of unused gas canisters, while ironically the Paslodes eat any nails you feed them.
@@Patrick-857 there new one they release is faulty as. it worked good for the first couple months then now when you press it. It doesn’t fire it happen to 3 nail guns because my boss has one and his brother and the work one we have a old one is it’s been going hard for ages and is better then the new ones
They had to lower the price because they're simply not at the races. Being hoseless was really the only advantage they ever held. They might suffice for a DIYer or old guy wirking on his own, but when a framing crew is in a flow state, Paslode will only slow things down with its power loading time,clunky ergonomics, need for cleaning and changing fuel cells. They also give out a shitty smell and probably emit toxic gases like Carbon monoxide.
@@citizenkay no doubt. Since I made that comment, I've moved on to Milwaukee. I have the Paslode on eBay and can't sell it without practically giving it away.
HIKOKI!!! Metabo HPT here in the States. Idk man, I feel like the investment firm that bought the tool division from Hitachi that would become Metabo HPT here in the U.S. needs to hire me, because man Metabo HPT is truly loosing market share like crazy. Not because of the tools, purely because of lack of tool release and marketing. It’s almost like they’re purposely doing this :( The gear is top knotch and super competitive. Just zero effort on the sales teams part.
P.S. not trying to toot my own horn. Really, after watching any review that literally anyone does across the globe on any HIKOKI tool, almost always a top finish. Yet, NOTHING from Metabo HPT relaying any of it. Harbor Freight does better pushing their contractor lines.
From Aus, feel the same way. Wish Hikoki’s marketing force was on the same level as Milwaukee’s. The redemptions on offer are also a joke compared to the red team.
A little bit of insight for you. HiKoki is a Japanese brand and they have a different sort of marketing ethic than Americans do. The German brands and Japanese brands are not at all willing to come out and talk shit about their competitors, they consider it to be disgraceful. They prefer to let their products do the talking. When I spoke to Hikoki Aus about this upcoming comparison, they said they wouldn't be able to share it on their social channels even if they won. Personally, I prefer the Japanese and German mentality. Their bragging and shit-talking approach is tedious to me. [Dwain]
@@OZToolTalk I agree. Milwaukee's marketing wankertering is lame and embarrassing. "Let's just put as many 10x better logos that relate to nothing on the box so stupid people will think it's better". (Not actually having a go at the people who buy them.)
i have a couple of of delwalt guns the gen 3 is a great gun but the rafter hook kills me on it i don’t know why they changed it from the gen 1,2 it has fallen off my nail bag when i’ve been on the roof twice now surprisly the gun still works no problem. but my favourite gun i own would be my gen 1 that has a gen 3 motor in it! gave up on paslodes a few years ago and haven’t looked back i save $150 on nails a week and less missfiring
New Paslode takes a special gas cartridge so you have to buy their over priced nails to get it here in Britain 🇬🇧 anyway so no thanks Dewalt don’t last went through 2 in 6 months my old Paslode is 12 years old still working so I will have to choose between the old green and Red ....
Kind of glad I went with the Wilfuckyee nailer now. We don't get them as kits in NZ (or at least not that I know of) but I just got the skin on sale for $750 retail. I already have a pair of 5 amp batteries so that's no issue for me. I was looking at older second hand Paslodes but again thank christ I didn't get one. I'm not a chippie by any stretch of the imagination, but I do the odd construction project here and there so this looks like it'll do the job just fine.
I’ve never used one of these before however I am thinking about purchasing one to replace my entire back wall in the kitchen where the back door is,,,, I noticed these things shoots a nail a little below the surface of the wood sometimes is this the way they are supposed to function??? is it OK to have the nails a little below the surface of the wood???
nails SHOULD be sunk below the surface. in framing even up to 10mm is fine. in finish work the brad nails should also be left a couple of mm below surface.
I have only ever used Paslode and Hikoki when doing work experience with carpenters. I'm attracted to the battery guns, particularly the Milwaukee one simply because it's narrower around the body than the Hikoki or indeed the Paslode, and I've been in situations before where the clunkiness and general size of the gun presents clearance problems. That being said, I've also had to skew nails at times and found it harder to do with battery guns than with Paslode ones due to how they're designed. The Milwaukee is a lot cheaper without even considering the cost of fuel cells, and Milwaukee is a platform I'd use for more specific tools such as impact wrenches or SDS drills. It's a pity Makita, one of the more commonly used tool brands in carpentry, don't make very many good nailers if any at all. Not shitting on Makita, but their speciality is just not in nail guns. It's more in saws, planers, impact drivers, drills, etc...
Never put your hand in front of the nailgun when building a knee wall, as in the vid...the safety can depress at the edge of the timber with the nail shooting along the edge. This is how I shot a 12d through my hand.
Hi guys. Great review, very thorough. I'm a carpenter and I've had the hikoki nailer for a couple of years. I really love it! I know fellas that have the DeWalt and paslode and they just don't compare in terms of power or speed or easy maintenance. Its so reliable, it works perfectly every single time and has never even jammed on me, even if it's left unused for months on end. You are right about the stupid rafter hook on it though, but hikoki do have a smaller hook, which is easily swapped out for that one and it's much nicer. I think the gun shuts off after like half an hour of non use but that doesn't really bother me.
I have the Hikoki, very well built great power, but its very difficult skewing nails in nogs and studs, sometimes you cant get the angle steep enough, plus the weight and bulkiness of it is a huge pain. Every now and then i get an episode of constant misfires which aggravates the shit out of me as it can be all day, ive thrown it off the ladder several times now. The Paslode is the perfect weight, size and shape, if they release one exactly like it with battery only, it would be PERFECT
Milwalkee also has an optional extended capacity magazine, it holds 93 nails, Hikoki has 6 year warranty Milwaukee 3 years, Hikoki comes with better higher capacity batteries, they also have redemptions on at the moment to get free batteries etc, Milwaukee don't, I am considering to Hikoki over the Milwaukee as guys I know have them and love em.
so in summary the dewalt is junk and so is the paslode, the hikoki and milwaukee are very similar great guns with milwuakee maybe taking a slight edge, can confirm the dewalt system does not work in a canadian climate, and the paslode gas costs a fortune up here, the milwuakee gear is about half the price it seems as it is in aussie
That's not at all how I would summarise. Whey would the Dewalt not work in Canada? I would have thought as the only purely mechanical system it would be the least affected nail gun. [DWain]
Over here in Canada our prices are way closer. The Dewalt kit is $499 The Metabo kit is $579 Milwaukee kit is $678 Paslode kit is $629 I have used the Dewalts for years now. The batteries dont like the cold and are ridiculously priced. I have also used Paslode and would never buy one unless they go gasless with better batteries. I have never used the Metabo but I do like there air tools alot. The Milwaukee for me is the best gun and the batteries are better priced and can handle the cold way better.
I’m a dewalt user always have been but everyone I know with a paslode talks about it as if it’s made of solid gold I’ll tell you what after watching this I think I’ll stick to what I’ve got I might even show it to them next time they slag off me tools haha
Wish I'd have watched this a few years ago I got the dewalt and have recently moved to Milwaukee and its night and day the Milwaukee is absolutely brilliant I only wish I'd gone milwaukee the first time
Parslow are the best nail guns handsdown they wear well they durable i’m not too sure where you had the depth gauge set on the Parslow but I’ve never had that problem before as much as you guys did cheers
we had the depth gauge on full power for both paslode guns we tested. i think our testing was harder on the guns because there would usually be more breaks between firing into HW on most sites. [Dwain]
My boss had a Paslode and I’ve got the Hitachi, in Nz timber the paslode leaves 10mm proud, Hitachi drives it flush. He’s got the hitchi now, no more messing with gas, the smell and the noise.
I like my paslode, I use it for framing, sheathing, and siding when nails are appropriate. I use it year around, dirt, snow, rain, it works. Never had in issue with my new one for three years, but they do get grumpy when they get abused for a long time.
I used a friend's makita framing nailer it misfired a lot was difficult to remove the battery and heavy. My paslode was much better. I like that dewalt though.
Hello how are you. I have an older imct nailer . I lent it to someone, and it's not working . I took it apart much further, found the combustion chamber stuck and not moving. My manual has no instructions on reassemble. Where can I get better assembly instructions?
Thanks for the review. So what's the difference between the gen 1, 2, and 3 of the Dewalt DCN692? And how do you tell the difference between the different generations in the store/online if they are all named the same?
Gen 3 has the speed and feed switch on the base of the gun below the handgrip. Gen 2 has the switch’s on side up top above the hand grip. Also the price, gen 3 presently only one selling for 529 as a kit.
Paslode stands up after a drop and best ergonomically, best for up on a roof or nailing above your head. Dewalt second place for ergonomics and nailing above head height. I’d only buy hikoki or Milwaukee if I was doing formwork or small renovations. Dewalt beats paslode for my use as I do a lot of framing and gas adds up. Pneumatic has yet to be replace for stick build
Great review! Thanks for also mention the noise level on your tools, thats the first thing I notice when buying tools. Gotta keep the noise down with tinnitus and sensitive to noises. Everyone should use earprotection, ask anyone with tinnitus.
These reviews should be done by people that actually know how to use a framing nailer and that have years of experience building. These two wads would be much more suited at comparing couches and tv remotes !!
I’ve got the dewalt, Milwaukee and the paslode. The dewalt can be fast if you use bump instead of sequential. The milwaukee is too darn heavy for awkward spots. And the paslode is very nice if you service it.... do it yourself and save a fortune..
I was strongly considering the Hitachi. I use all Dewalt power tools except for my Hitachi finish nailers(I have a senco in there as well). So, Batteries wouldn't be an issue. Milwaukee is the same style as Hitachi as far as I'm concerned. I don't mind maintaining my tools/guns, so Paslode's maintenance wouldn't be a problem. Of the three styles, which do you prefer? Which would you recommend? I remodel homes and hardly frame for more than a couple of walls. I'll go through a few strips of nails per project, max. Thanks. Your opinion is important! I am buying a cordless nailer, soonish.
Zack Fishle if you don’t mind paying $70 for a box of nails and don’t mind cleaning it then paslode all the way. But if you want a gun that convenient then a battery gun is top . I find myself reaching for the dewalt due to it being nice and light with a compact battery and no gas/paslode battery to wrangle. Best of both worlds. Hope this helps
Thanks guys always on point. Love my Dewalt gear and was looking for a nailer to add. The Dewalt link is 404 now - broken. The Dewalt range has confused me a bit, why so many now? FYI recently dumped anything Facebook not because of recent Murdoch rubbish but Facebook bought WhatsApp and changed the rules so I would follow on insta but can’t. 🍻
My Milwaukee have problem fire 50mm nails, its seem 50mm just little bit short for the magazine, now it has nail head marks in side front of the magazine. And Milwaukee cannot fire 6mm OSB board, the nail will shoot through, I adjust nail depth with no change. Does anyone had same problem?
I got the dewalt in the UK as a bare unit with 10% off from screwfix (bought a drill with a battery and got 10% off any bare tool) for £225, its at least as good as my pneumatic with a full compressor tank and better when the tank is low, as for weight, the dewalt wins hands down when you consider trailing a hose behind the gun, doesnt have the same nail capacity but no issue there, yeah the ramp up is a pain, I cant see why they couldn't have a mode where the flywheel was always run up but still needed the tip seated and a trigger pull to fire, one other thing, bumpfire is as agood as uselss with 90mm nails, always leaves the head sticking out, 50mm and 75mm, no problem!
Advice needed please. Love the channel, I love DIY and I’m in the middle of renovating a property. I need to erect feather board fencing around the perimeter of the garden. I currently have 18 & 16 gauge nailers. I’m guessing these are too lightweight to attach the boards. What nailer type / nail length would you recommend? Thanks in advance
I run x2 Hikoki framers and have had them replaced atleast 3 times to date due to magazine feeding issues, jambing etc etc. Please look into this as even my local hikoki rep cant answer my questions of "why?"
Hi I just bought a new hikoki framer, did not even get 400 nails in and it shut down , having problems getting any response regarding my warranty or returns , thinking about it now , I could have bought a cheaper gun and had a better response
I also have the Hitachi framer and love it except for the same issue. I've found it misfires 75 every now and again and 90s more often. I have had it back to get fixed under warranty but it didn't help too much. If you put a bit of pressure on the magazine handle it seems to fix the problem. All I can think of is that the spring which feeds the nails isn't strong enough. I clean mine with compressed air and put some graphite powder in. This seems to fix the problem.
I've had the hikoki framer for a couple of years now. Great power & shoots quickly, but anybody who owns one of these framers and uses them regularly will tell you 2 things: 1. The hook is annoying as anything. 2. It misfires. The hikokis have a tendency to misfire if you use any nails aside from paslode nails in them. Furthermore they have feeding issues which prevent smooth operation. I'm considering buying a paslode next.
Paslode s newest framing nailer ?the paslode im360ci your a few years behind 🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮☘️ plus a good serviced paslode im350 plus will stay with any nail gun .paslode are the first on the market with gas battery nailers ,rest are copycats,plus ,wait till your battery nailer breaks down and you’ll see what it cost to fix
I disagree we got new paslode gun is the worst gun paslode ever made jamm like mud we got a lot mails but no gas the gas pressure running out so quickly even left in cartridge a lot but not give pressure avoid avoid avoid safe you self money the only plus side about the new paslode is the battery that last longest from the second and first gen paslode never again this piss of shit Go gas less maybe slower but reliable hikoki or dewalt
Servicing the Paslode is easier than you think doing it yourself either just removing the filter and washing it under water and you are done. If you want to go for a deep clean, just spray the inside with de-greaser, clean and lubricate with oil. I will usually do this once a year. The price for paslode nails is ridiculously cheap for a 3,000 pack for $80 from Bunnings in comparison to what you would by in NZ from Bunnings for the same type and at your cheapest price that costs nearly $300.00!!!! WTH?
I currently run a Bostitch air framing gun, looking to switch up, but it seems like no option is perfect. With air I obviously have a hose and annoying compressor to cart around, but it's reliable AF and hella powerful. It seems that every Paslode used by a member of my crew has some issue or other - "finnicky" is right. With the battery-only options, it seems like the more powerful and reliable you go, you're also going more expensive, and substantially heavier. What's a scrawny carpenter to do?
just checked milwuakee with battery (5.0) and charger is 649$ at homedepot in canada and without a doubt could be found a tad cheaper but homedepot is a good baseline in north america i think the two 3.0s would suffice for running the nailer if you didnt have many or any other m18 tools by the time you shoot through one 3.0 the other would be charged only what a 40min charge time on basic charger for a 3.0
Like the review I have the Milwaukee but hate the nitrogen cartridge drives me crazy it runs out always at bad times so I'm picking up the Dewalt I can deal with the noise if I don't need to deal with cartridges
I like the Milwaukee, but i don't like the weight. The Dewalt i like but i hate the fan that makes to much noise before each shot. I have had and used several Paslodes, they are very temperamental guns, always something not right with them, but if they are on they are great. Good comparison though, very informative, i'm wanting to buy the Milwaukee but the weight has got me second guessing buying one.
Landscaper who doesn’t use the gun everyday, mainly for decking and pergolas, really tossing up between the Milwaukee and the paslode what do you think !!
I'm doing my apprenticeship for a framing company. We build the frames lying down and stand them when finished framing. We use Milwaukee, paslodes and air compressor. Id say the milwauke is the fastest building frames due to its rapid fire. The air compressor can be just as fast if not faster but you have to pull the trigger each nail. Just have to be trigger happy. But for standing and nailing frames together prefer paslode as its so light and great at skewing nails. Prefer paslode for everything other than building frames due to its size and weight.
Love the hikoki framing and finishing guns. I use them with a battery adaptor so I can use my Makita batteries since I don't use them often enough to warrant a hikoki charging station and batteries, but I'm also quite lazy.
my paslode is coming up 16 years old and in need of replacement, so i tried a works mates hikoki for the day the deal breaker for meis the tip it just does not skew like a paslode does with its far superior tip 2nd the weight is insane not comfortable hanging from the apron, i loved the power but the first 2 reasons are the deal breaker for me unfortunately i'm getting another paslode.
Totally get that Adam. Weight is important, especially if it spends a lot of time hanging from your belt. This has become less problematic for me personally since I started using a shoulder harness with my belt. The Paslode tip probably is better, but keep in mind that you've probably gotten SO used to the Paslode that switching to another gun is just gonna feel wrong for a while. And being able to bump fire .... so useful. [Dwain]
@@OZToolTalk yeah even the old paslode tip is better the new one is a step above again, I also use a harness but weight is such an important factor for me. Also here in nz we can't have bump fire it's illegal for some absurd reason. Love the power of the new guns but for me paslode again... Maybe in another 15years!
Yeah mate ,if I'm doing a house frame my 30 year old Bostitch n80 does the job ,fast,light ,cheap to maintain. If I'm doing eaves etc and a hose is a hassle ,the Paslode works well.
Have two paslodes one is 13 years old and one is 8 years old, yes they need cleaned 3 times a year but that's easy once you've watched a few videos. Also had two dewalt one lasted 2 and a half years and the other just over a year, I will never buy dewalt nailer again. Longevity is my most important thing.
Nice work as usual. Keep it up! Thsnks for the video at 26 minutes of the dewalt working, it looks like it works fun. HOLY SHIT, AU PRICES ARE "apeshitbananas." I wonder if the Paslode needs some time to clear the chamber? I wonder if the consistency would improve with a brief resting period after a dozen nails or so? I'd be shocked if the green and red guns weren't made in the same factory. HOLY SHIT, AU PRICES ARE "apeshitbananas." How much is a loaf of bread, a gallon of gas(litre of gas, I can convert), and a gallon of milke? Thanks.
Thanks Zack. The guns are definitely not made by the same people! The paslode certainly needs a good break sometimes, and we gave it the breaks we thought were reasonable. For instance on the 90mm nails into hardwood, after one nail sat up proud, we gave a good 10 second break between each after that. Helps a little. In terms of our prices, yes we pay a little more. but you have to compare our average Australian wage as well as our tool pricing before being too horrified. [Dwain]
I have ran a Paslode framing and finish nailer for five years now. I just got the Milwaukee 30 degree framing nailer and 18 gauge finish nailer and they are my go to now. The bump fire setting is all I use and wished the Paslode guns had it in the past. The Hitachi as it's called here in the U.S was a consideration but I already had Milwaukee tools.
I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
I've had the HiKoki for a while now and love it. But I was going to buy a Milwaukee tomorrow so I am glad this review popped up because I don't think I'll bother now. Cheers guys for another great review.
Tools & Stuff what are your thoughts on the Airbow?
thanks pal! hey where are you from ? [Dwain]
@@OZToolTalk Auckland.
@@jethro1066 I don't see the point really. It's massive and you have to carry around a special compressor just for that nailer. I don't see why anyone would by that over a cordless nailer. To me it is an invention that has arrived 15 years too late.
Tools & Stuff interesting, I know we’ve chatted before and you made me cry about my hilti. I’m finally coming back to the land of the piss down. And was just wondering about a few tools. I’ve seen the prices for when I get home and they scare me, a little. So I was comprising a wish list in my head.nailer being one. Here’s one, do you ever use bumpfire?
I’ve had my hikoki for over a year now. We work with a lot of hardwood doing renovations. It’s been great although it doesn’t skew nail that well.
My bosses paslode is a headache. It’s fussy, high maintenance and lacks power. Blows my mind the paslode guns are so expensive. I’d hand nail everything over buying one 😂
cheers for the feedback Josh
Loved my dewalt! Last about 5 years, new driver last year spent $300. Started playing up, not the spring kit, decided to get a milwaukee. At $529 in Australia, the dewalt is still a really good buy
I have never used nail gun before so I really want to purchase a reasonable good one for framing and finish nailing. I'm trying to cedar log home myself with Maybe a laborer at times. It is a little confusing absolutely don't want a compressor to mess with. I'm not building houses for a living. I wish they had a tool kit that includes nailers. Yes I'm a woman but I can learn. I've designed and contracted to homes myself. I had absolutely no experience but I've always watched people at work and I study on whatever I'm going to do. I studied almost two months how to lay tile for my bigger home cuz I couldn't afford the expensive tile that I wanted and pay someone to install it. I happened to buy half-inch handmade Kyle which was beautiful but as you know the edges are not Square. 2000 lb for me to take on but I knew what I wanted and I got it done and swore I would never lay tile again. Well it's been 20 years so I will be changing my mind. I appreciate your opinions on the tools that you talked about. I'm still a little confused the prices are so different and outrageous. Do you have a preference to a finish nailer?? I'm still confused on Brad nailers pin nailers. I know what they are but I don't know why they can't make one gun for all three jobs.
Hi Starlsd! Thanks for your comment! We all have to start somewhere, I did the same as you, constantly learning on youtube when I first tried new jobs.
A few quick answers:
- Nails guns can only use one gauge of nail unfortunately.
- Some 18 Gauge (also known as 'C1 Nails') nailers can also fire staples, but none of the battery ones as far as I know. You probably won't need staples for a house construction anyway.
- I think your best bet is to buy a two-pack from one of these brands, containing a framing nailer and a fixer/brad nail gun. The fixing gun could be 15Ga (also known as DA) or 16Ga (also 'C' nails). It doesn't really matter much, they are very similar. It also doesn't matter much whether you get an angled fixer or a straight fixer.
- You can definitely buy a two pack (with batteries) in Paslode, Dewalt or Hikoki, possibly Milwaukee. Nailers can be quite heavy. If you'd like to keep the weight right down, Paslode is the lightest, Dewalt a bit heavier, the other two brands a lot heavier.
Dwain
you two really give a good, clear and factual demonstration on this, there are loads of videos where the reviewer is the owner of the tool and therefore really talks it up but you two don’t do that. Top blokes, top review!
thanks man. we try REALLY hard to be objective ! :D
Excellent review, however, I think I would have put a bit more emphasis on the fact that the Milwaukee can 'optionally' hold twice as many nails as the others.
Did we mention it at all? I can't remember. I don't think it would have played strongly into scoring, but it's important for some people.
Love the Hikoki (Metabo HPT in the states) I will say that it would be nice to have the option to throw an extended magazine on it though
Great review. I have owned a Paslode for many years and without a doubt its the most unreliable and frustrating tool i have ever owned. Many times i've wanted to smash the bloody thing. Doesn't matter how many times you clean it either. That's a poor excuse as i see it ,for a tool that lacks power and is so unreliable. My next will be Hikoki.
Thanks for sharing
Hikoki is great in many areas.
But my god the belt hook is awful & the weight can sometimes make life hard.
But out the 4 it is my choice (haven’t used milwaukee)
@@LongRangeRifleSystem Just waiting for mine to arrive. I am hoping I can change that hook to something smaller.
@@LongRangeRifleSystem Do you mean the rafter hook?
@@histguy101 yeah, it swivels around to become the rafter hook, but as a belt hook it’s too loose
I have the Hikoki framer running the 36v multi volt battery platform and a Hikoki 15ga finish nailer, both are brilliant and perform well ! Love using them !
nice! Noting though that the multivolt batteries are both 18V and 36V, and that the nailers themselves are 18V.
Paslode has stood the test of time. Let’s see what the other brands are like after a few years. They ALL have issues eventually. I will say this though, Paslode are “Nailgun people” the others are “Powertool people”
fair point Nikki
Hikoki rafter hook can just be changed to the finishing nailer rafter/tool belt hook changes the gun alot in feel
agreed, that's what we did.
Some of these guns can be finished?? That would be a godsend for me. I'm a woman that wants to finish my house correctly like a work of art. I even bought a nice router and table and bought $50 more a special bits. Feeling the Box because I have to learn quite a bit. I really appreciate all of your expert opinions I've bought a lot of Sears Craftsman products before. They do stand by their products not sure I'm sure can power tools. I would like to build things other than finish my home to make money at home. Like dog houses with special needs. I would like to take Consignments from people by looking at their home and their lifestyle with their dogs or whatever kind of pet they have.
Paslode got problems with gas, Dewalt uses a flywheel so different to others
Milwaukee only new got no history to back up longevity
Hikoki go no gas no flywheel but does have the history to back up longevity and performance so it gets my 🗳
Fair logic!
I just used mine extensively for a year. It starts to misfire and nails don’t go in all the way. That’s your cue to send it to the repairman. They fill up the nitrogen canister and it comes back like new !
Hard to fault the Hikoki. I’m on dewalt myself but the hikoki framer is a beast. I wouldn’t trust anything with Milwaukee written on it, their whole range is poorly engineered and unreliable.
@@adams4240 Funny worst cordless drill i have ever owned was Hitachi which is Hikoki these days.
I like the paslode for doing the roof and little things but air for the rest. Paslode I can also clean and service myself.
Yep, I have had my Paslode framers for many years, they have served me well, ultra reliable, easy to service myself,
@@zaneh6224 The only problem I ever have with my Paslode is sometimes it starts dry firing because the follower in the magazine sticks. I believe its caused by the glue on the nails, so cleaning helps. Other than that it is extremely reliable.
Soooo long story short....Get 2 the milwaukee for the longs the dewalt for the shorts.....The Hikoki is a rock in a hard place.......And the Pasalodes legendary history for the bin.......
I had 2 Dewalt guns both shit themselves. Bought the hikoki gun, have it a year now and it's by far a better gun. The paslode are way lighter but more trouble, shoud be banned on sound alone.
interesting feedback!
Would be nice to see this same comparison done during winter, just to see how these guns work in -20 celsius. Paslode will not work because the gas does not like cold, and I would not count on Hikoki either because of the compressed air. DeWalt works just fine, can not say anything for the Milwaukee yet.
Well, it has been done during winter, since these guys are from Australia (Winter over there), over there can get cold, but not as cold as you are asking.
its true, but much of the tested was in the heated workshop. And in our area it rarely gets colder than 0° celcius.
I wouldn’t work in -20 never mind the gas. Are you nuts?
Check out the crazy framer videos, he uses both guns in -20 degrees and the paslode beats the dewalt in cold weather.
@@Butters-is2bw I wouldn't even work in 5C let alone anything in the negatives 😁
Paslode all the way. It's light. The other issues don't matter.
Renovation = Paslode.
House framing= air hose + Hitachi
Many people would agree with you Joey
Only Paslode!!!
Agree
Excellent and thorough review as always guy’s! You should give the paslode im360ci a bash! Probably still not the best but I won’t change it for anything. A friend I work with went through two default framers in 8 months and went back to paslode but is now using that hikoki which is a nice tool but by hell is that belt hook annoying
Interesting thoughts
Dewalt is crap went through 2 in 6 months
If all 4 were used equally for a year and the same tests were done then, do you think the results would the same? I guess durability could be a big factor for people looking to buy.
that's the million dollar question. unfortunately we can't answer it :/
It all depends on the gun I have a paslode and love it wouldn’t change from paslode but one of the bloke I work with had issues with his so bought a Hikoki has had it about 2 months and it’s shit it self already and another bloke loves hikoki has all there cordless stuff and just bought a hikoki cordless dropsaw and he said he wouldn’t get the nailer
I’ve been running the Hikoki Frammer for almost a year..zero issues and the thing gets used daily
Don't buy a DeWalt one if you want to talk more with the DeWalt customer service than with your wife....
The Hikoki will fuck up after 6 months in the UK 4 guys bought the gun within 6 months of each other all different models all have the same problem of misfiring. The spring which pushes the nails up after a shot is just not strong enough this means you have to push the nails up after every shot. Consistent problem throughout different models.
I wouldn't recommend the Hikoki to anyone
I've used Hitachi for last year. It works great.. every now and then it misses a nail between clips of nails. Must be the type of nails or glue. Only does it between clips
hmm that's weird. does it happen with different brands of nails?
I had the same problem and when it does it I just spray the clip with WD 40 and it fixes it I think dust gets in and slows the feed speed
I find the bradder nail clip gets gunmy but havnt had it happen with the framer. Ive sprayed it with graphite spray and will see how it goes 👍🏼 (mike)
Stop buying Paslode nails 🤣
Love the Hikoki, have one and don't mind the weight. My only wish is that the tip was a little more aggressive, like the paslodes. The same can be said for the Milwaukee, would benefit from an agressive tip. I wonder if it can be purchased as an aftermarket/upgrade part?
Don't think so, I wonder if they could be work a bit?
Totally agree. Skew nailing with those small tips is a bit annoying.
I literally sharpened up the tip of my hikoki framer during my lunch on Wednesday and it is MUCH better now. Skewing nails has never been easier.
Holly shit the Australia’s prices are double what they are in America
I use Hikoki and I loved it, maybe Milwaukee a little better, but the price of it in New Zealand very expensive.
Enjoy !
I'm the same, use hikoki in New Zealand and have done for just over a year now
The Milwaukee and Hikoki are the same price at the toolshed at the moment.
My father has a HiKoki & is really happy with it. I have just ordered a Milwaukee after watching loads of reviews.
nice
Hikoki all the way
Best damn tool reviews on the net! Well done boys bloody top work 🤘 really appreciate it. I'm getting a Hikoki in NZ this weekend.
Thanks Dave!
No bump fire on NZ models
@@kurt9055 yeah I'm fine with that. It would be nice to have but I never have to nail that fast anyways 😂
@@kurt9055 They made the decision for you, they dont want you to shoot your "Bubble buddy" ....what a kindergarten lol
Ok boys I lied 😂 just walked out of the tool shop with the Milwaukee
Great video guys. As much as the non gas nailers are reliable and powerful, I've never gone over to them purely based on their additional weight and bulkyness compared to the Paslode. I can fire a couple if thousand nails a day when roofing on a big job, and the extra weight is punishing on your wrist/arms. Its not usual to machine fun nails in like in your tests, so I don't find the Paslode wanting in that regard. You've just got to keep the thing clean. Cheers from the UK.
yep I can absolutely see this position. I thought in retrospect that we probably weighted too heavily towards speed...
You need a hammer with Pasload. 😂
Gen 3 is working great and a no brainer for me at the moment, though bunnings running a paslode framer and finisher for $1299
I love my Hitachi/Hikoki I also have the brader as well... They haven't skipped a beat and just works when I want it to work. (I also have the AEG Brad nailers and prefer the Hitachi one over them) The weight you point out doesn't bother me and haven't really noticed it... My rafter hook isn't that big like the one you got... ?
My "father in Law" been a builder for 50 odd years... and a Paslode user for years is seriously thinking of switching to Hitachi/Hikok after using mine for a while...
We seemed to get smaller hooks on the nailers in NZ for some reason.
I had the paslode for over 20 years.. Same gun.. Serviced it regularly myself.. Finally shit itself a couple of years ago and I bought the Hitachi.. Loved the paslode but compared to the Hitachi its not as good.. The Hitachi for me is a great tool... Apart from the rafter hook.. Cheers.
you can order the hook that is on the trim gun (smaller hook)
20 years is a damn good run for a cordless tool. Thanks for sharing.
I had exactly the same issues with my paslodes. The were great for 5 years then issues crept in I brought a hitachi wouldn’t go back to any gas gun now
I've had 2 Dewalt framers previous generation and neither have lasted very long before only shooting nails in halfway. Hopefully the gen 3 lasts. But ill stick with the Milwaukee
hope you have better luck going forward now
@@OZToolTalk keep me updated how yours holds up. Hopefully its keeps on pounding em in
Please do this with the same guns but the finishing versions :D
Just don't get the paslode cordless finishing nailer the electronics are poorly designed and it breaks often, their framer and pneumatic tools are good
@@christopherlee622 the problem we have with the paslodes here in the UK are that they refuse to fire when it's cold as the gas doesn't like it. I recently bought the Milwaukee, I could have got the hikoki twin kit for only a little more money but I liked the look of the Milwaukee.
@@garethheathcote4988 yeah we run into that here in Alberta Canada as well, and the milwaukee as well as the hikoki both do a good job of dealing with this. I sell three of these guns at my job and get reviews back from direct and continuous use in the field. my comment on the finish nailer was more from a service perspective, where the design does cause the gun to break more often. the hikoki is the first to really unseat the paslode in regular use though even with the problems in the cold
Most people are gonna stick with the tool platform they are already heavily invested in. As far as best choice of systems, IMO - Milwaukee wins by a mile. Their new nailers just fill in a gap they had, and seem to perform on par as all their other tools. You can have my Milwaukee tools when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
I wouldn’t say a mile. They make great tools, but there’s not a chance I’ll buy any of their saws.
Nail guns are something that many carpenters are absolutely willing to have a different brand for.
Great review. By the way, Paslode just said "hold my beer" and dropped the price of their full gun kit below that of any other brand's bare tool only cost. As a hobbiest simply working on my own house projects and not owning any batteries of the brands you reviewed, the Paslode is still quite attractive.
WOW! that's great news for users!
People complain about Paslodes, but they last at least a decade of day in day out thrashing, the nails come with gas, often times you can't even get any other brand nails where I live, parts are easily available, and most importantly, you can service it yourself. If your Paslode needs servicing, you can be back in business within a few minutes, and if you want it done by a professional, it can be done locally and back probably same day. If one of these battery guns packs up you are sending it away and are out of action for weeks. The Dewalt is particularly bad, because once that flywheel mechanism packs up, nobody can fix it. They are insanely complex inside. These ones with sealed gas pistons are better, but they eventually get weak and need re gassing or replacing. That's not quick or cheap. I would love to have a Milwaukee, don't get me wrong, so powerful and convenient, but a Paslode is an investment. You just can't go wrong with their reliability and durability. Also they are so much lighter, which matters when you have that thing hanging off your belt or above your head all day. My Dewalt 16 gauge nailer just packed up and I already had the Framemaster so I grabbed a Paslode. Another great thing about Paslodes is that they always come with two batteries and a charger for a similar price to the tool only with the other guns. I have Dewalt and Makita batteries, and Makita still have no cordless framer, and can't make a finish nailer that's actually good, much as I love their tools, and honestly the Dewalt framer sucks. Dewalt bradders are pretty good, but mine lasted 5 years and crapped itself. I'm just not keen on investing in a third battery system when Paslode is so much more value for money to get into. If you are already on the Milwaukee or Hikoki platforms, their guns are much more attractive, but man they are heavy.
Aiso the Hikoki doesn't like the cheap nails that you get without gas, and runs best on Paslode nails, which are only sold without gas in big stores, so the one at work just causes piles of unused gas canisters, while ironically the Paslodes eat any nails you feed them.
@@Patrick-857 there new one they release is faulty as. it worked good for the first couple months then now when you press it. It doesn’t fire it happen to 3 nail guns because my boss has one and his brother and the work one we have a old one is it’s been going hard for ages and is better then the new ones
They had to lower the price because they're simply not at the races. Being hoseless was really the only advantage they ever held. They might suffice for a DIYer or old guy wirking on his own, but when a framing crew is in a flow state, Paslode will only slow things down with its power loading time,clunky ergonomics, need for cleaning and changing fuel cells. They also give out a shitty smell and probably emit toxic gases like Carbon monoxide.
@@citizenkay no doubt. Since I made that comment, I've moved on to Milwaukee. I have the Paslode on eBay and can't sell it without practically giving it away.
HIKOKI!!! Metabo HPT here in the States. Idk man, I feel like the investment firm that bought the tool division from Hitachi that would become Metabo HPT here in the U.S. needs to hire me, because man Metabo HPT is truly loosing market share like crazy. Not because of the tools, purely because of lack of tool release and marketing. It’s almost like they’re purposely doing this :( The gear is top knotch and super competitive. Just zero effort on the sales teams part.
P.S. not trying to toot my own horn. Really, after watching any review that literally anyone does across the globe on any HIKOKI tool, almost always a top finish. Yet, NOTHING from Metabo HPT relaying any of it. Harbor Freight does better pushing their contractor lines.
From Aus, feel the same way. Wish Hikoki’s marketing force was on the same level as Milwaukee’s. The redemptions on offer are also a joke compared to the red team.
A little bit of insight for you. HiKoki is a Japanese brand and they have a different sort of marketing ethic than Americans do. The German brands and Japanese brands are not at all willing to come out and talk shit about their competitors, they consider it to be disgraceful. They prefer to let their products do the talking.
When I spoke to Hikoki Aus about this upcoming comparison, they said they wouldn't be able to share it on their social channels even if they won.
Personally, I prefer the Japanese and German mentality. Their bragging and shit-talking approach is tedious to me. [Dwain]
Oz Tool Talk Agree. If you’re relying on your tools to do the talking then you’ll put more into their build and less into advertising.
@@OZToolTalk I agree. Milwaukee's marketing wankertering is lame and embarrassing. "Let's just put as many 10x better logos that relate to nothing on the box so stupid people will think it's better". (Not actually having a go at the people who buy them.)
i have a couple of of delwalt guns the gen 3 is a great gun but the rafter hook kills me on it i don’t know why they changed it from the gen 1,2 it has fallen off my nail bag when i’ve been on the roof twice now surprisly the gun still works no problem.
but my favourite gun i own would be my gen 1 that has a gen 3 motor in it!
gave up on paslodes a few years ago and haven’t looked back i save $150 on nails a week and less missfiring
Wow interesting comment! $150 a week!!! [Dwain]
New Paslode takes a special gas cartridge so you have to buy their over priced nails to get it here in Britain 🇬🇧 anyway so no thanks Dewalt don’t last went through 2 in 6 months my old Paslode is 12 years old still working so I will have to choose between the old green and Red ....
weight is the biggest factor ! overlooked category
carpenters have chronic pain in some part of there body.
Kind of glad I went with the Wilfuckyee nailer now. We don't get them as kits in NZ (or at least not that I know of) but I just got the skin on sale for $750 retail. I already have a pair of 5 amp batteries so that's no issue for me. I was looking at older second hand Paslodes but again thank christ I didn't get one. I'm not a chippie by any stretch of the imagination, but I do the odd construction project here and there so this looks like it'll do the job just fine.
nice Reflex.
I’ve never used one of these before however I am thinking about purchasing one to replace my entire back wall in the kitchen where the back door is,,,, I noticed these things shoots a nail a little below the surface of the wood sometimes is this the way they are supposed to function??? is it OK to have the nails a little below the surface of the wood???
nails SHOULD be sunk below the surface. in framing even up to 10mm is fine. in finish work the brad nails should also be left a couple of mm below surface.
I don't know about all the nail guns but the paslode has an adjustment on the nose where you can set how far you want to set the nail in
I have only ever used Paslode and Hikoki when doing work experience with carpenters. I'm attracted to the battery guns, particularly the Milwaukee one simply because it's narrower around the body than the Hikoki or indeed the Paslode, and I've been in situations before where the clunkiness and general size of the gun presents clearance problems. That being said, I've also had to skew nails at times and found it harder to do with battery guns than with Paslode ones due to how they're designed. The Milwaukee is a lot cheaper without even considering the cost of fuel cells, and Milwaukee is a platform I'd use for more specific tools such as impact wrenches or SDS drills. It's a pity Makita, one of the more commonly used tool brands in carpentry, don't make very many good nailers if any at all. Not shitting on Makita, but their speciality is just not in nail guns. It's more in saws, planers, impact drivers, drills, etc...
Never put your hand in front of the nailgun when building a knee wall, as in the vid...the safety can depress at the edge of the timber with the nail shooting along the edge.
This is how I shot a 12d through my hand.
cheers
Hikoki have released a new spring which makes it wayyy softer so you don’t have to use so much force and genuinely makes the gun seem lighter now
Mick Quaid really? Where do you buy?
I'd also like to buy this
What's the model # for kit or bare tool
Do you have the model # for kit o bare tool
@@joshstevens9577 do you have the model number for the kit o bare tool..
Hi guys. Great review, very thorough. I'm a carpenter and I've had the hikoki nailer for a couple of years. I really love it! I know fellas that have the DeWalt and paslode and they just don't compare in terms of power or speed or easy maintenance. Its so reliable, it works perfectly every single time and has never even jammed on me, even if it's left unused for months on end. You are right about the stupid rafter hook on it though, but hikoki do have a smaller hook, which is easily swapped out for that one and it's much nicer. I think the gun shuts off after like half an hour of non use but that doesn't really bother me.
cheers Dan, nice feedback.
Hi Dan, do you have the miss fire issue on your Hikoki nailer?
I have the Hikoki, very well built great power, but its very difficult skewing nails in nogs and studs, sometimes you cant get the angle steep enough, plus the weight and bulkiness of it is a huge pain. Every now and then i get an episode of constant misfires which aggravates the shit out of me as it can be all day, ive thrown it off the ladder several times now. The Paslode is the perfect weight, size and shape, if they release one exactly like it with battery only, it would be PERFECT
thanks for the feedback Jimmy
Yes agree fully
Wow the Milwaukee,hikoki and paslode are expensive
I think aud so sales tax included
Milwalkee also has an optional extended capacity magazine, it holds 93 nails, Hikoki has 6 year warranty Milwaukee 3 years, Hikoki comes with better higher capacity batteries, they also have redemptions on at the moment to get free batteries etc, Milwaukee don't, I am considering to Hikoki over the Milwaukee as guys I know have them and love em.
yep all that info was presented in the video :) (except the redemptions as that is locally specific)
so in summary the dewalt is junk and so is the paslode, the hikoki and milwaukee are very similar great guns with milwuakee maybe taking a slight edge, can confirm the dewalt system does not work in a canadian climate, and the paslode gas costs a fortune up here, the milwuakee gear is about half the price it seems as it is in aussie
That's not at all how I would summarise. Whey would the Dewalt not work in Canada? I would have thought as the only purely mechanical system it would be the least affected nail gun. [DWain]
Over here in Canada our prices are way closer.
The Dewalt kit is $499
The Metabo kit is $579
Milwaukee kit is $678
Paslode kit is $629
I have used the Dewalts for years now. The batteries dont like the cold and are ridiculously priced. I have also used Paslode and would never buy one unless they go gasless with better batteries. I have never used the Metabo but I do like there air tools alot. The Milwaukee for me is the best gun and the batteries are better priced and can handle the cold way better.
I’m a dewalt user always have been but everyone I know with a paslode talks about it as if it’s made of solid gold I’ll tell you what after watching this I think I’ll stick to what I’ve got I might even show it to them next time they slag off me tools haha
Weight wise pasloade is the better gun all the others after a days nailing you know you have used them.
its true
Wish I'd have watched this a few years ago I got the dewalt and have recently moved to Milwaukee and its night and day the Milwaukee is absolutely brilliant I only wish I'd gone milwaukee the first time
Put the Max gas framer in the mix too ...one of my favourite gas gun due to its longer nose , happy to loan mine
Too late sorry, shes all done and wrapped, i have heard god things about the max though, we sold them years ago at Mitre10
@@mikeott6756 how do i find you on instagram mike
Built the same as pasload just a different battery same as the Makita framer
Parslow are the best nail guns handsdown they wear well they durable i’m not too sure where you had the depth gauge set on the Parslow but I’ve never had that problem before as much as you guys did cheers
we had the depth gauge on full power for both paslode guns we tested. i think our testing was harder on the guns because there would usually be more breaks between firing into HW on most sites. [Dwain]
My boss had a Paslode and I’ve got the Hitachi, in Nz timber the paslode leaves 10mm proud, Hitachi drives it flush. He’s got the hitchi now, no more messing with gas, the smell and the noise.
You nailed it guys!
haha :P
I like my paslode, I use it for framing, sheathing, and siding when nails are appropriate. I use it year around, dirt, snow, rain, it works. Never had in issue with my new one for three years, but they do get grumpy when they get abused for a long time.
good to hear Bannock!
I’ve had mine over 12 years. Serviced every year. Out kicks mates new paslode.
I used a friend's makita framing nailer it misfired a lot was difficult to remove the battery and heavy. My paslode was much better. I like that dewalt though.
Just bought a Milwaukee. Never going back to Paslode in my opinion.
noice
Yh I jus got Milwaukee
Paslode is THE Best.
Hello how are you. I have an older imct nailer . I lent it to someone, and it's not working . I took it apart much further, found the combustion chamber stuck and not moving. My manual has no instructions on reassemble. Where can I get better assembly instructions?
letmegooglethat.com/?q=paslode+imct+nailer+manual
Thanks for the review.
So what's the difference between the gen 1, 2, and 3 of the Dewalt DCN692?
And how do you tell the difference between the different generations in the store/online if they are all named the same?
It says type 3 on the body. Only the type 3 is any good.
Gen 3 has the speed and feed switch on the base of the gun below the handgrip. Gen 2 has the switch’s on side up top above the hand grip. Also the price, gen 3 presently only one selling for 529 as a kit.
@@jrsuk1170 Dewalt will upgrade the item without changing the model number, just the 'type'
Paslode stands up after a drop and best ergonomically, best for up on a roof or nailing above your head. Dewalt second place for ergonomics and nailing above head height.
I’d only buy hikoki or Milwaukee if I was doing formwork or small renovations.
Dewalt beats paslode for my use as I do a lot of framing and gas adds up.
Pneumatic has yet to be replace for stick build
Thanks for your thoughts Leon
Oz Tool Talk love your videos, keep up the good work
Great review! Thanks for also mention the noise level on your tools, thats the first thing I notice when buying tools. Gotta keep the noise down with tinnitus and sensitive to noises.
Everyone should use earprotection, ask anyone with tinnitus.
agreed!
Hikoki & Paslode 🔥🔥 service is inevitable & those are the easiest to service imo
nice feedback
Fuck me they must of improved the dewalt with gen 3 - used gen 1/2 for years and their pretty limp wristed 😂
Oh wow. Are you Gen 1 and Gen 2 still going?
Oz Tool Talk yes they are, we are not using them every day but 3 of 4 have seen a fair bit of use
These reviews should be done by people that actually know how to use a framing nailer and that have years of experience building. These two wads would be much more suited at comparing couches and tv remotes !!
that's true. but sometimes it's tool reviewers or bust.
I’ve got the dewalt, Milwaukee and the paslode. The dewalt can be fast if you use bump instead of sequential. The milwaukee is too darn heavy for awkward spots. And the paslode is very nice if you service it.... do it yourself and save a fortune..
I was strongly considering the Hitachi. I use all Dewalt power tools except for my Hitachi finish nailers(I have a senco in there as well). So, Batteries wouldn't be an issue. Milwaukee is the same style as Hitachi as far as I'm concerned. I don't mind maintaining my tools/guns, so Paslode's maintenance wouldn't be a problem. Of the three styles, which do you prefer? Which would you recommend? I remodel homes and hardly frame for more than a couple of walls. I'll go through a few strips of nails per project, max.
Thanks. Your opinion is important! I am buying a cordless nailer, soonish.
Zack Fishle if you don’t mind paying $70 for a box of nails and don’t mind cleaning it then paslode all the way. But if you want a gun that convenient then a battery gun is top . I find myself reaching for the dewalt due to it being nice and light with a compact battery and no gas/paslode battery to wrangle. Best of both worlds. Hope this helps
thanks :D
四个大枪都不错，可惜是一个比一个重！华人有可能手上力气真的没有洋人大！
Thanks guys always on point. Love my Dewalt gear and was looking for a nailer to add. The Dewalt link is 404 now - broken. The Dewalt range has confused me a bit, why so many now? FYI recently dumped anything Facebook not because of recent Murdoch rubbish but Facebook bought WhatsApp and changed the rules so I would follow on insta but can’t. 🍻
Thanks for the info!
My Milwaukee have problem fire 50mm nails, its seem 50mm just little bit short for the magazine, now it has nail head marks in side front of the magazine. And Milwaukee cannot fire 6mm OSB board, the nail will shoot through, I adjust nail depth with no change. Does anyone had same problem?
interesting feedback.
The one Ive been hanging out for! Pity I've already bought one.
I got the dewalt in the UK as a bare unit with 10% off from screwfix (bought a drill with a battery and got 10% off any bare tool) for £225, its at least as good as my pneumatic with a full compressor tank and better when the tank is low, as for weight, the dewalt wins hands down when you consider trailing a hose behind the gun, doesnt have the same nail capacity but no issue there, yeah the ramp up is a pain, I cant see why they couldn't have a mode where the flywheel was always run up but still needed the tip seated and a trigger pull to fire, one other thing, bumpfire is as agood as uselss with 90mm nails, always leaves the head sticking out, 50mm and 75mm, no problem!
Advice needed please.
Love the channel, I love DIY and I’m in the middle of renovating a property. I need to erect feather board fencing around the perimeter of the garden. I currently have 18 & 16 gauge nailers. I’m guessing these are too lightweight to attach the boards. What nailer type / nail length would you recommend?
Thanks in advance
I run x2 Hikoki framers and have had them replaced atleast 3 times to date due to magazine feeding issues, jambing etc etc. Please look into this as even my local hikoki rep cant answer my questions of "why?"
Just drop a small bit of oil on the spring I have had the same problem but that sorts it now.
Hi I just bought a new hikoki framer, did not even get 400 nails in and it shut down , having problems getting any response regarding my warranty or returns , thinking about it now , I could have bought a cheaper gun and had a better response
I also have the Hitachi framer and love it except for the same issue. I've found it misfires 75 every now and again and 90s more often. I have had it back to get fixed under warranty but it didn't help too much. If you put a bit of pressure on the magazine handle it seems to fix the problem. All I can think of is that the spring which feeds the nails isn't strong enough. I clean mine with compressed air and put some graphite powder in. This seems to fix the problem.
I've had the hikoki framer for a couple of years now. Great power & shoots quickly, but anybody who owns one of these framers and uses them regularly will tell you 2 things:
1. The hook is annoying as anything.
2. It misfires.
The hikokis have a tendency to misfire if you use any nails aside from paslode nails in them. Furthermore they have feeding issues which prevent smooth operation.
I'm considering buying a paslode next.
thanks for the feedback T7 :D
Paslode s newest framing nailer ?the paslode im360ci your a few years behind 🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮☘️ plus a good serviced paslode im350 plus will stay with any nail gun .paslode are the first on the market with gas battery nailers ,rest are copycats,plus ,wait till your battery nailer breaks down and you’ll see what it cost to fix
I disagree we got new paslode gun is the worst gun paslode ever made jamm like mud we got a lot mails but no gas the gas pressure running out so quickly even left in cartridge a lot but not give pressure avoid avoid avoid safe you self money the only plus side about the new paslode is the battery that last longest from the second and first gen paslode never again this piss of shit
Go gas less maybe slower but reliable hikoki or dewalt
Servicing the Paslode is easier than you think doing it yourself either just removing the filter and washing it under water and you are done. If you want to go for a deep clean, just spray the inside with de-greaser, clean and lubricate with oil. I will usually do this once a year. The price for paslode nails is ridiculously cheap for a 3,000 pack for $80 from Bunnings in comparison to what you would by in NZ from Bunnings for the same type and at your cheapest price that costs nearly $300.00!!!! WTH?
Wonder why it's so crazy expensive over there? $80 is cheap by comparison, but $28 is much cheaper again by comparison if you don't have to buy gas ;)
Best one is MILKOKI.. in one word
Great video
Cheers
I currently run a Bostitch air framing gun, looking to switch up, but it seems like no option is perfect. With air I obviously have a hose and annoying compressor to cart around, but it's reliable AF and hella powerful. It seems that every Paslode used by a member of my crew has some issue or other - "finnicky" is right. With the battery-only options, it seems like the more powerful and reliable you go, you're also going more expensive, and substantially heavier. What's a scrawny carpenter to do?
yep no solution is perfect, hit the nail on the head there pal. [Dwain]
just checked milwuakee with battery (5.0) and charger is 649$ at homedepot in canada and without a doubt could be found a tad cheaper but homedepot is a good baseline in north america
i think the two 3.0s would suffice for running the nailer if you didnt have many or any other m18 tools by the time you shoot through one 3.0 the other would be charged only what a 40min charge time on basic charger for a 3.0
Like the review I have the Milwaukee but hate the nitrogen cartridge drives me crazy it runs out always at bad times so I'm picking up the Dewalt I can deal with the noise if I don't need to deal with cartridges
I guess dewalt is killer and with rest of dewalt tools it’s a bargain.
I like the Milwaukee, but i don't like the weight. The Dewalt i like but i hate the fan that makes to much noise before each shot. I have had and used several Paslodes, they are very temperamental guns, always something not right with them, but if they are on they are great. Good comparison though, very informative, i'm wanting to buy the Milwaukee but the weight has got me second guessing buying one.
thanks for the feedback John. It's not as easy decision huh?!
Landscaper who doesn’t use the gun everyday, mainly for decking and pergolas, really tossing up between the Milwaukee and the paslode what do you think !!
I think for people who aren't stick framing everyday, the cordless guns make SO much sense. I'm in the same boat as you (Dwain)
I'm doing my apprenticeship for a framing company. We build the frames lying down and stand them when finished framing. We use Milwaukee, paslodes and air compressor. Id say the milwauke is the fastest building frames due to its rapid fire. The air compressor can be just as fast if not faster but you have to pull the trigger each nail. Just have to be trigger happy. But for standing and nailing frames together prefer paslode as its so light and great at skewing nails. Prefer paslode for everything other than building frames due to its size and weight.
absolutely understand that sentiment! thanks for your thoughts!
Love the hikoki framing and finishing guns. I use them with a battery adaptor so I can use my Makita batteries since I don't use them often enough to warrant a hikoki charging station and batteries, but I'm also quite lazy.
would you mind sending me to the right direction in finding the same adapter please?
Can you please send me the link to get the adapter please?
Best comparison video I've seen so far on cordless framing nailers. Thanks guys!
Glad you liked it!
You couldn’t give me a paslode after running my Hikoki framer and my Milwaukee gen 2 brad nailer
nice
I keep 2 guns in my Ute.. paslode and hikoki, paslode for pine and hikoki for when I’m working with hardwood. Never have any issues
nice Harry
Even with the conversion you guys get SO fucked on prices.
Until you see salaries and hourly rates in Aussie.
@@DiscoFang About half of the hourly wages where I live. Edit: Oddly enough pretty much EXACTLY half the hourly wages.
my paslode is coming up 16 years old and in need of replacement, so i tried a works mates hikoki for the day the deal breaker for meis the tip it just does not skew like a paslode does with its far superior tip 2nd the weight is insane not comfortable hanging from the apron, i loved the power but the first 2 reasons are the deal breaker for me unfortunately i'm getting another paslode.
Totally get that Adam. Weight is important, especially if it spends a lot of time hanging from your belt. This has become less problematic for me personally since I started using a shoulder harness with my belt.
The Paslode tip probably is better, but keep in mind that you've probably gotten SO used to the Paslode that switching to another gun is just gonna feel wrong for a while. And being able to bump fire .... so useful. [Dwain]
@@OZToolTalk yeah even the old paslode tip is better the new one is a step above again, I also use a harness but weight is such an important factor for me. Also here in nz we can't have bump fire it's illegal for some absurd reason. Love the power of the new guns but for me paslode again... Maybe in another 15years!
Yeah mate ,if I'm doing a house frame my 30 year old Bostitch n80 does the job ,fast,light ,cheap to maintain. If I'm doing eaves etc and a hose is a hassle ,the Paslode works well.
Have two paslodes one is 13 years old and one is 8 years old, yes they need cleaned 3 times a year but that's easy once you've watched a few videos. Also had two dewalt one lasted 2 and a half years and the other just over a year, I will never buy dewalt nailer again. Longevity is my most important thing.
Longevity is certainly key.
Nice work as usual. Keep it up! Thsnks for the video at 26 minutes of the dewalt working, it looks like it works fun. HOLY SHIT, AU PRICES ARE "apeshitbananas."
I wonder if the Paslode needs some time to clear the chamber? I wonder if the consistency would improve with a brief resting period after a dozen nails or so?
I'd be shocked if the green and red guns weren't made in the same factory. HOLY SHIT, AU PRICES ARE "apeshitbananas." How much is a loaf of bread, a gallon of gas(litre of gas, I can convert), and a gallon of milke? Thanks.
Thanks Zack. The guns are definitely not made by the same people!
The paslode certainly needs a good break sometimes, and we gave it the breaks we thought were reasonable. For instance on the 90mm nails into hardwood, after one nail sat up proud, we gave a good 10 second break between each after that. Helps a little.
In terms of our prices, yes we pay a little more. but you have to compare our average Australian wage as well as our tool pricing before being too horrified. [Dwain]
I gave up on the dewalt, it just didn't have the power, i am sticking with my paslode.
Fair enough
Marc Cadec Type/Gen 3 ?
I must already be deaf from the paslode, it doesnt Bother me
I have ran a Paslode framing and finish nailer for five years now. I just got the Milwaukee 30 degree framing nailer and 18 gauge finish nailer and they are my go to now. The bump fire setting is all I use and wished the Paslode guns had it in the past. The Hitachi as it's called here in the U.S was a consideration but I already had Milwaukee tools.
Makes good sense Dale :D
it's called metabo hpt now in the US
Just bought the hikoki 425 quid in UK came with 3 x 18A36 MV Battery Packs and case