Getting Hex to believe in the Hogfather was the cleverest thing Death did during this crisis. He ensured that, no matter what happened, no matter if he or Susan succeeded or failed in their efforts, there would be and ALWAYS would be, one completely unshakeable believer in the Hogfather. Hex would keep on believing, and that would keep the Hogfather alive no matter what. It would be the final guardian of the Hogfather. Anyone trying to make the Hogfather cease existing by lack of belief would have to either fully convince Hex that he wasn't real... despite Hex having MET the 'Hogfather' and having received a gift directly from 'him'... or else fully dismantle and destroy Hex, which the Wizards would absolutely, one hundred thousand percent never allow to happen. That's why the Auditors were physically trying to chase the Hogfather down... their plan was in ruins because no matter what there would ALWAYS be Hex, but the Hogfather was weakened and in a form where he could possibly be killed, much like Om in Small Gods. But they were interfering directly because their indirect plan had collapsed around their hoods because Death got Hex to believe.
Dang, I never realized that. That’s honestly really cool. Hex couldn’t be affected by TeaTime’s spell because he can not be subjected to any spells that require a part of his body, since Hex doesn’t really have a body. Sure you could take one of the parts that make up Hex to try and use for the control spell, but that can’t work. All of Hex’s organic parts aren’t originally his. They were either a part of another being (such as a tree used for any of his wooden components), or a separate entity entirely (such as the ants that live inside him). Using those parts wouldn’t make the spell control Hex, but instead whatever organic being said parts originally came from. And the inorganic parts of Hex wouldn’t work with the spell because, well, they are inorganic. I would even go as far to say Hex himself is a sort of parallel to Death’s speech at the end about how things like Justice and Mercy are made up. Like those concepts, if you ground the universe down to it’s most basic components, there is nothing that can be deemed as truly Hex. Yet he still exists, because people believe that it isn’t just an automated process that is responding to them, like Siri or Alexa, but an actually intelligent creature that is responding to their questions. Hex is basically an abstract personification just like Death and the Hogfather. And as such, you can only get rid of him by convincing everyone he doesn’t exist. But that can’t happen, because, as shown when Death pretended to be the Hogfather, if someone see something in front of them, it’s harder to convince them it doesn’t exist. And Hex’s body is right there in the building, not to mention that several wizards have talked to him. You can convince the world the Hogfather doesn’t exist because, as shown with the kids Susan was babysitting, everyone will just assume that it was their parents giving the gifts and eating the snacks, or that the Hogfather at the mall was just a paid actor. But Hex is different, you can’t just convince the wizards that the responses they’ve been getting from the machine were just preprogrammed, like with Siri and Alexa here on Earth, because they built the machine, they’ve already seen Hex give responses that were not programmed into the machine. How can you convince someone that the conversations they’ve had with the machine, which they know weren’t programmed in, were in fact, actually programmed in? You can’t. Plus, you’d have to have a piece of each wizards body in order to use the spell on them, but, as shown with Ridcully in BS Johnson’s bathroom, wizards are very meticulous at not letting any spare body parts be up for grabs. And since wizards know if a baby will be a wizard (seventh son of a seventh son and all that), they can make sure to properly dispose of any parts that come off of said baby, such as, say, a tooth? The body part that TeaTime was using for his spell? So yeah, if you are an abstract, and don’t want to risk fading from existence, get Hex to believe in you.
This novel is the closest successor to Dracula, for it not only is a mystery but the mystery delves into the metaphysics of the world and not as world building lore dumps.
That eleventh hour urgency: *DO.....YOU.....BELIEVE? ANSWER!* One of the most powerful moments in Discworld, as much as his justice and mercy speech later on, Vimes' socio economic theory on boots, and the last moments of Granny Weatherwax. Terry, you weren't ever meant to leave us. Not then, not now, not ever.
i love how when Death asks HEX if he believes the machine doesn't move because believe is not the result of rational, logical thought but something else
-"You mean it gives the impression of thinking? ... Just for show?"
-"Yeah"
-"Just like everyone else, then!"
Gotta love Terry Pratchett
I'm pretty sure I do think on occasion. Not too often though, dangerous habit to get into.
I never noticed the wizard who yells "To the laundry" actually has a biker patch on his back saying "Born To Rune" 🤣🤣🤣
Joss Ackland as Ridcully is one of those perfect casting things. Just a delight!
I like how Death managed to make what is essentially a computer believe in the Hogfather.
And then asks if it has been naughty or nice...masterpiece!
@@cogidubnus1953 If HEX accepts the Hogfather as a postulate; then this is a natural deduction.
Getting Hex to believe in the Hogfather was the cleverest thing Death did during this crisis.
He ensured that, no matter what happened, no matter if he or Susan succeeded or failed in their efforts, there would be and ALWAYS would be, one completely unshakeable believer in the Hogfather. Hex would keep on believing, and that would keep the Hogfather alive no matter what.
It would be the final guardian of the Hogfather. Anyone trying to make the Hogfather cease existing by lack of belief would have to either fully convince Hex that he wasn't real... despite Hex having MET the 'Hogfather' and having received a gift directly from 'him'... or else fully dismantle and destroy Hex, which the Wizards would absolutely, one hundred thousand percent never allow to happen.
That's why the Auditors were physically trying to chase the Hogfather down... their plan was in ruins because no matter what there would ALWAYS be Hex, but the Hogfather was weakened and in a form where he could possibly be killed, much like Om in Small Gods. But they were interfering directly because their indirect plan had collapsed around their hoods because Death got Hex to believe.
Dang, I never realized that. That’s honestly really cool. Hex couldn’t be affected by TeaTime’s spell because he can not be subjected to any spells that require a part of his body, since Hex doesn’t really have a body. Sure you could take one of the parts that make up Hex to try and use for the control spell, but that can’t work. All of Hex’s organic parts aren’t originally his. They were either a part of another being (such as a tree used for any of his wooden components), or a separate entity entirely (such as the ants that live inside him). Using those parts wouldn’t make the spell control Hex, but instead whatever organic being said parts originally came from. And the inorganic parts of Hex wouldn’t work with the spell because, well, they are inorganic. I would even go as far to say Hex himself is a sort of parallel to Death’s speech at the end about how things like Justice and Mercy are made up. Like those concepts, if you ground the universe down to it’s most basic components, there is nothing that can be deemed as truly Hex. Yet he still exists, because people believe that it isn’t just an automated process that is responding to them, like Siri or Alexa, but an actually intelligent creature that is responding to their questions. Hex is basically an abstract personification just like Death and the Hogfather. And as such, you can only get rid of him by convincing everyone he doesn’t exist. But that can’t happen, because, as shown when Death pretended to be the Hogfather, if someone see something in front of them, it’s harder to convince them it doesn’t exist. And Hex’s body is right there in the building, not to mention that several wizards have talked to him. You can convince the world the Hogfather doesn’t exist because, as shown with the kids Susan was babysitting, everyone will just assume that it was their parents giving the gifts and eating the snacks, or that the Hogfather at the mall was just a paid actor. But Hex is different, you can’t just convince the wizards that the responses they’ve been getting from the machine were just preprogrammed, like with Siri and Alexa here on Earth, because they built the machine, they’ve already seen Hex give responses that were not programmed into the machine. How can you convince someone that the conversations they’ve had with the machine, which they know weren’t programmed in, were in fact, actually programmed in? You can’t. Plus, you’d have to have a piece of each wizards body in order to use the spell on them, but, as shown with Ridcully in BS Johnson’s bathroom, wizards are very meticulous at not letting any spare body parts be up for grabs. And since wizards know if a baby will be a wizard (seventh son of a seventh son and all that), they can make sure to properly dispose of any parts that come off of said baby, such as, say, a tooth? The body part that TeaTime was using for his spell? So yeah, if you are an abstract, and don’t want to risk fading from existence, get Hex to believe in you.
Wow... thats really f*cking clever.
This novel is the closest successor to Dracula, for it not only is a mystery but the mystery delves into the metaphysics of the world and not as world building lore dumps.
That eleventh hour urgency:
*DO.....YOU.....BELIEVE? ANSWER!*
One of the most powerful moments in Discworld, as much as his justice and mercy speech later on, Vimes' socio economic theory on boots, and the last moments of Granny Weatherwax.
Terry, you weren't ever meant to leave us. Not then, not now, not ever.
+++Out of Cheese Error+++MELON MELON MELON+++Redo From Start+++
Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot
i love how when Death asks HEX if he believes the machine doesn't move because believe is not the result of rational, logical thought but something else
But then it moves.
+++ All Things Strive +++
@@commandermcnash5137 The words spoken by Tak when he saw the stones trying to come alive, just before he created the first Trolls.
Still more reliable then an apple product.
I will always imagine Ridcully as Brian Blessed.
Ah, man...they left out the Fluffy Teddy Bear.
+++MINE! WAAH!+++
@@boccs9925 Somebody enable the FTB!
+++Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++
Wait...if that's the end of the Hex scenes...
They didn't include the bit at the end with the teddy bear?
I kinda just wanted to watch the thing that went "PARP!". But now i wanna watch the movie.
I sympathise with ponder stibbons. people with pimples and glasses (although he has none) should be a more central part of society...
+MELLON+
Fascinating.
oh wait... he does have glasses!
Anthill Inside lmao
I have that on a shirt;
HEX
anthill
inside
pratchett
PROCESSOR
@ginnyisdacoolest
same here