The M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun System will officially retire in the end of 2022
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2022
- Have you heard of the M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun Systems or simply called the Stryker? It is an eight-wheeled armored vehicle built based on the Canadian LAV III armored vehicle. It was originally well-known as the "Battlefield Wheeled Armored Vehicle of 21st Century," and served as the main equipment of the U.S. Army Stryker Light Armored Combat Brigade. However, in May 2022, The U.S. Army suddenly announced that the M1128 Stryker would be phased out by the end of fiscal year 2022. So, what makes this vehicle as an undisputed star weapon in the Stryker family? And why do you think it will be phased out?
Hello, everyone. You are watching a new episode of Military TV. Today, we will talk about the M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun Systems, a Stryker wheeled vehicle that was acclaimed for its excellent mobility as well as precise firepower, and was considered as the deadliest ground vehicle in the urban battle.
Introduced in early 2000s by General Dynamics Land Systems, the M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun Systems (MGS) is one of ten variants of the Stryker fleet which combines versatility, survivability, lethality and maneuverability to perform a wide range of missions. The M1128 Stryker was specially designed for low-intensity combats and takes several of the most important battle tank missions. Thus, these capabilities of this Stryker enable the Army to project combat power everywhere on earth within 96 hours, including providing direct fire support for infantry units. This armored vehicle is also capable of breaching wall and bunker, allowing it to eliminate enemy vehicles, equipment and protected positions. The first pre-production deliveries of the M1128 vehicle commenced in 2002 and it came into service with the U.S. Army in 2007.
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I remember fighting beside one of this solid war machine while defending burger town. Such nice memories.
who need all thess tech when u have "Ramirez"
I killed a few of these with miles rpg
If that was in call of duty, i remember it also, but i cant remember what topmount gun it had, the thing was lethal
@@f1reguy587 I did it hohenfels, Germany
Slight correction at 5:28 - the 400 rounds are not 0.50 mm (half a millimeter), but 0.50 inch, 12.7 mm.
The reason it is being phased out is b/c General Dynamic Land Systems will not only be developing the newest version of the Abrams, but also the newest version of the Stryker which will be sharing a lot of its components with the new Abrams under development.
I'm pretty sure being a maintenance nightmare has a lot to do with it too.
Does this mean M1128s will be hitting the civilian market? I want to upgrade my duece! Might need a better job though, lol.
@@StrawHat83 I do not know, the vast majority will be broken down and stripped for parts or sold off to other countries as its only the M1128 Stryker that is being phased out not the rest of the Stryker family as of now. As for it hitting the civilian market i would have to say doubtful as it is like handing over a semi modern tank with road wheels to a civilian, and the military would most likely not allow it for the time being. We will just have to wait and see until the new stryker series under development under goes trials and if it passes then enters the army.
Proof?
@@pooperscooper8791 General Dynamics press releases, DoD press releases, Congressional reports and documents. It took me 10 seconds to google and found the documents on the websites of the entities mentioned above. Primary sources too, not just articles. So maybe you can research for yourself instead of demanding proof like someone owes you work you can do yourself.
Wow. I was in the first unit to take them to Iraq. They were great to have around.
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I wont be surprised that someday these M118 Stryker Mobile gun system that the US Military retired will supplied it to the Ukrainian Army just like Australia did they supplied the Ukrainian army M113 Amored Personel Carrier APC
Why not sending it now, I don’t understand…
@@MorriRay 4 months of war today, they could of think earlier sending Stryker to Ukraine 🇺🇦 2 months, maybe 3 to arrive + training. This war not gonna end soon
My thoughts exactly!
@@efrosvovelu9076 We don’t want the A-10 we could at least send them 200.
@@efrosvovelu9076 what are they going to do with them? its not like the controls are exactly the same as the bmp-1 or the t-64 the ukranians use, it would take at the very least a month of training to teach the ukranians how to use them.
it wouldn't be worth it for anyone.
I like the ejector port on the back. It's like a giant shotgun.
When the army decides to "Officially" retire something, that usually means they'll keep it around for 20 extra years while the Pentagon, Congress, and the Defense Contractor bicker over the replacement's specs, budget, and mission. The Army has been trying to "retire" the Bradley for about a decade now. Airforce did the same thing with the Warthog and the, Marines did the same thing with that "AAV" or whatever. The list of "retired" equipment still in the field is long.
When no suitable alternative is around there are no options for retirement. Clearly the M1128 is no longer cost effective with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq exited
I'm surprised they're retiring this version so quickly... I think it is still a good option for near peer warfare... but I guess it doesn't have a place for our most likely missions
They could send them to Poland/Ukraine. Even as stationary vehicles they could probably pop off some Russion armour.
At least send them to ukraine , get some use out of it in the end!
They are making new versions of the Stryker and Abrams rn
The new GDLS's MPF will replace this version of the stryker with the light mechanized units. It'll be more mobile, better protected, with less danger of roll overs on soft ground or side slopes (seeing as how its tracked, shorter in height and 10 tons heavier on a wider platform). They'll likely either FMA package the 1128s to another country, or will re-build the hulls to the LAV 6.0 standard and replace the 105mm with something more useful (like the turret with the 50mm chain gun).
@@DeeEight Exactly! I thought i was the only one paying attention! I'm happy, this was needed and now hopefully Army will come through with OMFV decision within year or 2...
What hurts the mugs,very unreliable autoloader and they can't reinforce the floor against mines and ieds. There was supposed to be almost 700 of the ags but they only made under 150 of them.
Send those Strykers to Ukraine, that 105mm can take on a T-62 and like you said a T-72/80/90 series tank from the sides, or rear. The machine is quicker and more agile than a MBT, plus most tank action in Ukraine has been tank supporting infantry action, not tank on tank action. It would make an excellent infantry support vehicle there
same comment here.
After the US strips out the good electronics, it's probably going to be on the same level as T72. Just look at the M777 they sent to Ukraine, they didn't include all the electronics.
@@bigbigmurphy psst, no one suppose to know that. Keep it quiet.
@@bigbigmurphy yeah no gps system given
The M1128 is capable of killing T-72/80/90s from the front, even with all their upgrade packages.
That would be 0.5 inch or 12.7 mm for the "fiftycal" machinegun
i had to say it
Yeah, don't think a 0.50mm round would be much help. If they made that much of a mistake then it makes you wonder about the other things they said.
Ok, at 5:27 he says it has a .50 mm gun with 400 rds.😅
GDLS won the Mobile-Protected-Firepower(MPF) competition with it's Griffin II(not III) with an SEPv3 Abrams BASE turret(Just the frame, actual composite armor will be made to withstand likely 30mm frontal with TROPHY or other APS to give a massive armor boost, but it's all just recently been announced and they're in turbo mode as they just want/need to get it fielded ASAP with LRIP will happen by 2023 with full production by 2025 and building close to 600...) .
The MPF competition was for an light-Tank possibly airborne capable(Army says no but i cant see why Ruskies can but we don't) but for sure fit in C17 maybe 2 in C5 to rapidly deploy onto captured airfields and also for units such as 10th Mountain, but it sounds like they're gonna send them wherever an Abrams is overkill basically. A light mobile 105mm infantry tank basically...
It isn’t a tank.
It is a breaching tool.
I am not surprised to see M1128 / 105 variant be retired due to the anti-armor, and the expensive feeder issues. Besides, did you notice how much the Stryker rocked when you fired the 105, no wonder we never saw the M1128 fire on the run...it would be bad 🤔.
It is not designed to accurately fire the main gun on the run. It does a great job when used as intended as a close support LAV.
I'm an old Abrams hand and I noticed that too. The old M68 was really rocking this truck's world. I honestly have a hard time seeing this thing booking it across an open field running and gunning like an Abrams. Honestly, I'd be afraid the damn thing would roll over, especially when engaging a target to the left or right of the centerline.
Instead of the idea to send the MGS to Ukraine, why not issue them to the 82ABN as a stopgap between the old Sheridan and the new light tank. Surely, we owe our own paratroopers some measure of protection, sooner rather than just later. Those 105mm HEP and Canister rounds are a light fighter’s best friend. I suspect we can sustain the MGS long enough to support the 82d until the light tank is ready to take its place. Any thoughts on this idea?
Ughhm, sending m1128 to us? All i know is that US sends 105mm rounds. But i thoght its for british 105mm howitzers..
@@arseniiivasenko4337 if you get the MGS’ in Ukraine, count yourselves lucky. The MGS is great in the defense and a real mother fuker in executing an ambush. Also it’s 105mm was more than enough for T-72s in Iraq (1991). Ukraine could really use the MGS (with artillery and light infantry support) to anchor its front lines in one sector while using its tanks, mech infantry, and rocket artillery to counter attack in another sector. BTW, with the Russians desire to hide its forces in the woods, Ukraine needs to start thinking to use flame weapons to drive the enemy out into the open - the trees can be replanted later after victory is won.
Such a relief that it’s going away. It was always a nightmare for maintenance and would break down all the time.
I hope whichever vehicle replaces it will do a better job out there in the field.
We have the answer now (I believe). DoD knew they were going to actually acquire the new light tank, which will replace this vehicle in the same role as light infantry fire support, but in an even better design built specifically for this purpose.
I think they should have built some overlap into it, retiring the 1128 when the new light tanks were being delivered, but that's a relatively short time frame of inadequate coverage in this role.
Dude, what is up with that graphic, which displayed the ammo and capacities? The .50 cal that would be 12.7 x 99. Tighten up your shot group.
An under utilized platform, with HESH rounds an awesome bunker busting way to gain entry in unexpected places.
I hope they replace it with a equivalent system. I understand the idea behind the concept, close support for the infantry when a armoured vehicle threatens the infantry in the field they turn up and solve the problem for the men.
Just like a Bradley.
I'm halfway through and if this dude says M1128 at the beginning of every sentence I'm going to lose my mind.
5:28 400 rounds of 0.5 inch (.50) cailber, you mean
What is the replacement? They wouldn't be retiring it so quickly without having a backup or else they would've kept extending it.
So when can I pick one up? Looking for a new daily commuter
what are the fans(mounted on the side of the vehicle) for?
@@mr.whiskers3377 wtf......that looks..... unfinished.......
I wonder if the new strykers or similar to it is going to use smoothbore gun
I really like the turret system so sad I can’t by any of that to making my own Lego tank “Comet II”, but on the Original MGS why not thought if you turning the gun to 5 o’clock you will have space to fit Extra ammunition between the gun and Driver.
5:25: 0.50mm, wow must be some kind of high energy needle gun or something.
It's hard to get parts for the gun. The auto loader it very complex and very expensive to keep running. And with the new light tank coming online it will no longer be needed
Yeah in the age of TOWs, ATGMs, and higher impact 30mm, these 105mm platforms are in a weird spot. They're too lightweight to destroy enemy MBTs, too large for flexible Infantry Support, and it can carry far less ammunition. Ngl they're probably switching these 105mm to Mobile Javelin Systems or TOWs or something similar to those for the Anti Tank capabilities and making more 30mm variants for Infantry Support with probably some Javelin or TOW system too.
The Army just announced General Dynamics Land Systems will be producing a new tracked 35ton, 105 mm armed light tank to be used for infantry support and breaching operations. The current mobile gun system Stryker is a decent bit of kit which is more portable and Carries a still effective gun. I think it is a mistake to retire it so soon.
@@philgreco3803 it’s plagued with mechanical issues, especially surrounding the auto loader. Not to mention wheeled vehicles are limited in their capabilities.
@@philgreco3803 not to mention the armor is rated for 12.7mm, or .50 cal. Pretty weak for near peer threats.
@@gabetaylor28 Agreed.. but I don't like the US military trend that retires systems before they're time or before fielding a suitable replacement. Sometimes any gun is better than no gun.. The Stryker system is far from perfect but it's better than nothing and it's demise would exasperate the firepower gap the Army currently has at the infantry level.
exacerbate*
Really surprised! How can we phase them out before we have a replacement?
Well, at least its the perfect platform donation for Ukraine hopefully. Much more capable, modern, potent and durable than the terrible M113s that we've given them so far. They might not need tanks as much if they get a massive influx of strikers! We don't even have to give them all. We could provide a fraction of them and use the other's for spare parts so that the repairs are not lengthy or costly for Ukraine. We'd obviously have to provide good mine-clearance options though if we do.
GDLS literally announced a next generation Stryker
They didn't replace anything when they were phased in.
The Stryker Dragoon and integrated Javelin is its replacement. The 30mm cannon may be less powerful, but you don’t sacrifice troop carrying capacity and will be with the troops.
The anti-armor capability of an SBCT is still maintained thanks to the Javelin and TOW vehicles. The Stryker MGS and Stryker Dragoon both need flanking shots to defeat modern main battle tanks and both could shred anything lighter from basically the same range.
@@classifiedad1 Really interesting, thanks for this. The only thing im wondering then is what the thinking is in terms of reloading the ATGMs? Until now, that was the main limitation for replacing gunned vehicles with ATGM vehicles, that and the cost/length of production for the ATGMs. Or is that not something they felt they needed to solve?
@@Miamcoline Reload speed for a single TOW tube is about 30 seconds on a ground tripod mount, though can be faster with better training. The M1134 ATMC uses a raised twin launcher, meaning that a second shot can be fired after the first with no need to reload. It also allows the vehicle itself to remain under line of sight and eliminates the need to expose crewmembers to aim and fire it, though crew are partially exposed when reloading them.
Main limitation of ATGM vehicles with TOW and other comparable missiles is the limited missile capacity and slow reload due to the bulk. In addition, time of flight for SACLOS missiles is relatively slow compared to guns, the TOW taking up to 20 seconds to reach its maximum range of around 4000 meters.
However, ATGMs can be fired from much smaller vehicles which do not have the ability to mount heavier weapons. Of note, the M1134 can carry 12 TOW missiles.
The ability to mass-manufacture these missiles does not seem to be as much of a problem given how widely dispersed they are in the US military.
The Strykers are totally awesome!
I always thought this was over-gunned, but what do I know, I was an M551 gunner😛
The way that truck bucks when it tosses out a round reminded me of the times I saw Sheridans on the range. I honestly thought the recoil on that thing would turtle them!
I have a feeling that the new light tanks will end up filling the role the M1128 currently has, though that's just my speculation
Duh! That was the point. Build a better platform for the job but have a Stryker fill the role untill it comes online. M55 has been out of service since the 90's. Abrams has been filling two roles for a while. M1128 was put in as a stop gap. It was always ill suited for the job. Everybody should have seen this coming when it didn't get the double v bottom like the rest of the Stryker fleet.
I hope that the US M1128 would be sold to other countries instead of being scrapped... my country could use this.
What’s your country? Is your country not smart enough to make there own weapons?
Send these to Ukraine asap then.
Yup, they will find purpouse in Ukraine against Orchs
Ukraine aren’t trained to use them
The only way for them be useful if some USA crew join Ukraine foreign military
I'll second that. If you don't want them there's a desperate nation fighting for its survival would love them.
@@mbtenjoyer9487 The Ukrainians are training quickly on all kinds of advanced systems such as the French Caesar self propelled artillery. It does not take them very long to learn. They can be trained outside of Ukraine and then return to Ukraine to train others.
@@iakona23 it’s estimated to take 1-2 years just to get them to standard soldier
Even if Ukraine managed to do it quickly it’s gonna be 1 year but it’s still a standard soldier
professional takes longer
Just a late thought, but this weapon system would make a dandy light artillery system.
I was in on the development and fielding the MGS; designed the commander’s weapon station myself. I hate to see it go; however, if it’s out of production forever then it can’t be sustained and must leave the fleet prior to it becoming a liability. Sad…
Just wondering, who you worked with/for? I was the green suiter at Ft Knox that worked on this thing from CAD to Acceptance. I was a tanker at TDCD. I worked with the guys from GDLS on this. Also worked closely with the MG branch on some of the gunnery tables for it. I retired from Knox in '04
@@kentuckyhiker7071 I was at PMO Stryker working on the MGS from prototype production, LRIP, and fielding the MGS to its first combat assignment. I also lead the tiger team that did the post-installation of the improved commander’s weapon station and air-warrior systems in the Taji area of Iraq. During development, I used to butt heads with TDCD’s Tankersley. He was hard to work with but his heart was in the right place.
@@morrisvanderslice1735 Awesome!! I worked with Barry!! I worked with a guy named John over at TSM Abrams as well. Can't for the life of me remember his last name. Been lots of water under the bridge since those days. Lots of TDY. I worked on the Abrams gunnery tables and worked closely with Mr Pomey on the 120 and 105 ammo. Lots of great stuff!!
The Canadian Army should get some of those or take some of those turrets and make an MGS variant of the AMPV.
Not all things that are shiny, are good...
Nothing new about this idea,there was a reason Canada didn't want them.
@@jeffreyprezalar220 Yeah, Canada rejected using them in Afghanistan. Instead they deployed Leopard 1 A5s, which ironically the MGS was suppose to replace.
Without this direct fire gun vehicle, what would support the infantry in the future?
30mm auto cannon
They should get the Centauro 2!
I'm no expert but it's pretty clear what it lacks in armor and survivability, it makes up for mobility. I would say this vehicle is better suited for specific missions that involve hasty employment and firepower. However, what this vehicle may offer can also be completed by other assets.
This vehicle was never meant for head on. It is used by cavalry scouts to support the Infantry with direct fire and conduct reconnaissance. It can take on bigger vehicles than itself, but more of a fire and move.
0.50mm rounds?
Is that the Army's needle bullets 😳
Canada has a new version of the Lav 3... the LAV 6
Every time I see video of this weapons system, I expect it to fall onto its aide when firing the 105.
Yes , with a possible two front war looming , lets get rid of some stuff ! Especially when we cant afford to replace them !
Well in war thunder this thing is a beast
Hey,Transfer to Ukraina 🤭🤭
If you don't need 'em anymore, I take one. Just tell me when I can pick it up and I'll be there!
Send de Stryker yo colombia it's the very good option because in Colombia not exit any weapon like that
FYI, a .50Cal is 12.7mm not 0.50mm
Its sad to see it go, truly an end of an era 😢
the new 50mm auto cannon with air burst capability? should be a far more universal weapon system.
Well, that escalated quickly...
Because Tony Stark learn from his mistake.
No you don't say , I can't imagine why! 😒😶
PSA, these are actually being send to Ukraine for the combat rangers . Up to 20 - 30 will be delivered with 2,500 rounds.
Just replace the 105 with a 120mm. As a matter of fact, keep them around until all 30mm Strykers are good in large numbers.
obviously, these chassis can barely withstand 105mm recoil.
120mm would be too much for the suspension and the frame.
I think we all know where the surplus m1128 are going ;)
Fully agree, it's outclassed and its cannon is useless against most Russian tanks. Better to invest in more modern, lower maintenance options.
useless against russian thank??? huh???
because theyve realized tanks are now useless in the battle field because of javelings and Nlaws,.,. and much better to invest in drones,. much capable in wars,.
Send these M1128 to Ukraine, but fix first it's autoloading function to manual mode. Send some to the Philippines, okay? Good.
isn't it brand new like 15 years ago?
I think if they can move to something better then that will be cool.
Why are they going to retire it. It looks effective and a mobile bad ass.
0.50 mm Machine gun? Surely you meant to say Cal .50, 12.7 mm machine gun!
Would it be helpful in Ukrainia?
Not really
Who else heard that devilish laughter at 7:54?
Can philippines have some?
Why?
5:27 "0.50mm" ????
the gun and m9000 shell can penetrate russian tank whit not too much difficulty so is still ok for a non tank fighting vihicule
I think it’s the right decision, due to not having IED protection.
They need to create an anti-air version. Something that can detect and take down drones and the usual air threats. At least a quad Stinger launcher.
working on it now, including an advanced laser system v. cruise missiles.( read super $$$ )
They have
Reminds me of a vehicle in halo
They took a great idea, spent a bunch of money redesigning it while wrecking it and now going to throw it away.
Weird- we in Bulgaria just receive a whole company of them... weird...
You are the NATO's scrap yard, why is that hard to understand 😂😂😂
@@HEMI345S our own PM told us those were top of the line troops&gear that was comming to the USA bases in Bulgaria... i wonder what else has he lied to us about
@@kaloyanradkov8962 I'm from the country next door to the N and I know very well what are we getting (see the discarded F16's by the Portuguese AF) which we hope won't crash like the refurbished MIG21 done by the Israelis
Send them to Poland/Ukraine they need all the firepower they can get. Maybe send an inital batch to Poland of say 10-20 vehicles for training purposes then send the rest over time.
2:36
"350 Horsebar"
simple: theres going to be some new light tanks coming.
Its basically a tank on wheel.
State of Art design with systemic issues with its auto loader.
If the US Army can't afford to maintain them nobody can, so who really want's them. Ok Ukraine might but with a very short life expectancy, it removes the need for replacement parts BUT maybe not so popular with the crews.
The U.S. army has been maintaining them for 15 years. The decision to retire them is linked to a desire to reallocate funds to other Stryker variants. These all should be sent to UKraine asap, including spare parts.
@@iakona23 And the autoloaders don't work. More useful would for Nato, and anyone else willing, to mount a special military operation against Russia, lets face it it's not like declaring war. Hutlin won't mind.
@@generalwoundwort8191 noting that the autoloaders are expensive to maintain and must be repaired more frequently than one would like is not the same as claiming without evidence that the autoloaders “don’t work.”
Remove the turrets, then re-purpose them into Anti-tank vehicles
its only being retired over seas it will still be used inside of united states for defensive roles it wount ever get another upgrade tho
If the U.S. government can supply this Stryker mobile gun system to our Philippine armed forces then that would be a better choice. Years back The U.S. government supplied us with M113 armored personnel carrier and it is now in use by our armed forces.
0.50mm? I dont think a gun like that exists u probably meant .50caliber/12.7mm
Now india consider it has one of the contender in border areas
these are drone targets today.
The reason why the army wants to retire this stryker vehicle is because of the latest light tank that will be begin production in 2023
Типа колесный танк.
Replace them with b2 centauro
.50 cal isnt 0.5mm its 12,7. Somebody should fix that
C141 starlifter is retired from service
Well actually why there doing this,the US sold a contract to India to purchase!
Considering how well wheeled and fast mobile vehicles are performing in Ukraine I’m surprised this is happening
but japan uses this as one of their main tier battle tanks.
1:18 Rather have tracks take the first hit - rear hydro's blow? - not working to climb backwards, now??
4:53 A 18 wheel {diamond plated shield - cook it to max temp range} - that gun be ready.
5:36 No way to load more then 10. {you will find out why later.}/!\
0,50 mm ammo????? 0,50 inch?
only MGS version will be phased OUT, they probably gonna convert the main chassis as other stryker flatform like troop carrier or ambulance. While the guns will be mounted to the new design hulls with V SHAPE BOTTOM, compare to older MGS which has flat bottom. so no stryker for ukraine.
Upgrade 20 percent of them with best upgrades available and send to Ukraine .. then repeat in a few months..