NEW Lamborghini Countach: BAD or GOOD?! And why...? Car designer reacts! | Niels van Roij Design
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Car designer Niels van Roij, weighs-in on the design of the most recent #Lamborghini supercar. The brand new #Countach is here!
A very special moment: a new release from #Lambo and a re-take on the Countach. Enjoy the film and please share your thoughts in the comments!
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interesting video, loved the analysis!
for me personally the project was doomed from the start. I don't really like this new version. but I feel like it would've never worked. The original countach is such an icon embedded into the time it is made from. Furthermore it was such a ground-breaking design that shaped our idea of supercars as we know it. Even if I would've liked it, it would've just been a "ok nice" and not a "wow" that a Countach deserves. A countach should not just be an Aventador body kit. All these Countach redesigns of the original and the new one don't really recreate that feeling ... also having a car with like double the horsepower from the original is going to mess up the clean design of the original, hence why we got the large black hole on the side that as you mentioned is terribly weak ...
that being said. Lamborghini has done the ideal Countach redesign, three times already. The Diablo is the "redesign" of the Countach. Then the Murcielago, then the original Aventador. These three incapsulate the wow effect, the forward-thinking design, the poster car, the spirit of the Countach much more than this retro-design project ever could've achieved.
at least that's my opinion :)
Very much on board with your statement on "Lamborghini has done the ideal Countach redesign, three times already. The Diablo is the "redesign" of the Countach. Then the Murcielago, then the original Aventador."
Indeed, these three incapsulate the wow effect, the forward-thinking design, the poster car, the spirit of the Countach as you all put it so well. Especially the forward thinking is key. The Countach was mental in the 1970s... Nothing like it - as in, not one thing. It was a space craft.
The fact that this is a retro-design is arguably indeed its weakest link, spiritually. However, it could have been acceptable when executed in a way more radical, geometric, clean way - in my humble opinion.
This is my favourite Lamborghini by far. At first I was a bit dubious about the tail lights, but they don't worry me at all. What a gorgeous car.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. More similar videos on this channel. Hopefully you will enjoy these too.
Modern cars have so many shapes that doesn't have any purpose. Glad to see that the new Countach just has so few things and isn't bombed with it. Modern cars have fake exhaust, questionable lines and airintakes that are just pieces of plastic without letting even air in. Thanks for the nice review, loved to see this one!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and getting in touch. Glad you liked the review! Indeed, many modern cars have fake exhaust and airintakes. However, this is truly something of all times. In the old days Facel Vega faked antennas, and many USA brands fakes "rockets" as taillights and even tailpipes and much more...
@@NielsvanRoijDesign Nice! Never knew that. Love to have eye opening moments like these
@@HonkiePlonkie Thanks for sharing that - the reason for us having the channel in the first place! Many more videos around with - hopefully - nice eye openers!
Thanks for suggesting this brand new Lambo! What do you think of the new Countach?
Let us know below! Thanks!
not a countach. it was an easy task and they still... there is nothing from the countach stance. front too mild, too soft, lights too up, naca duct not right... and the rear is terrible. maybe they should have based on the Huracan? I dunno, but this is more Aventador than countach. the interior is good though.
@@Andoniscars Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Make sure to tune in to the video and share your thoughts when it goes live, please!
Looks vary good, i would love it if it was nit called Countach. Was expecting a more radical 80s retro design, maybe this was the maximum they could do without changing the structure of the car, at least they could make some 3 piece wheels with a step lip
@@Andoniscars they shoud just gave it a differnt name after some bull and every one would love the design.
@@nikoladamjanovic2313 It could have been so much better, indeed.
Finally somebody who doesn't redesign the whole car for the purpose of redesigning the whole car (that looks magnificent, let's be honest). Great video, thank you!
Thanks for tuning in! Much appreciated.
The Countach is still one very provocative piece of engineering.
It absolutely is. It is a bold piece of car design - so far ahead that it truly is (bar the old details) still a modern shape.
Here’s a challenge: you didn’t like the tail lights borrowed from another Lambo, and you showed us some nice examples of designers borrowing lights from different makers and integrating them into a good sculpture. Can you think of a different set of tail lights that would work better in this new Countach?
The tail lights borrowed from another Lambo are not ideal indeed.A different set of tail lights that would work better in this new Countach? I'd argue square, highly modern LED interpretations of the 3 squares in the first Countach. Think Hyundai Ioniq lights for the look I'd be after, with regards to the small squares there. But carried over from a Hella catalogue.
Looking at the wheels the first time, I didn't like them and I honestly still think a different design should be used. However the last frame shown in this video with the lighting I'm sitting in almost makes them look light bronze or light gold.
The big side air duct looks like a Templar shield. The Kite Shield 🤷🏾♂️
Also the wheels look like a cross between the original Countach 5 circle wheel spoke and a Templar cross.
I almost think they came up with the idea for some design cues from Transformers Last Knight. It's as if this Countach is a Transformer Lamborghini. Megatron shield has a similar graphic in it.
The car reminds me of a white Knight.
Thanks for your acive participation!
The wheels aren't perfect, much like the rest of the car. Although thisis likely one of the most difficult cars to get right... the old/original Countach is a massive icon.
The lighting making them look light bronze or light gold indeed helps. A lot of work goes into colour and material subtilities.
I love the design overall, but completely agree with your analysis. The element that bothers me the most is the blackened side area, to me it stands out way too prominently and looks like a lazy solution for the sake of a homage. I've watched several UA-camrs experiment with Photoshop mods to this design, some changes I agree with, others not so much (seemingly taking issue with the angle, as well as the positioning of the front lights) but also preferring to apply a rear wing to look closer to the later Countach models, something I disagree with.
Thanks for tuning in and for sharing your thoughts on the video and the new Countach, including the online mods. The massive rear spoiler is only something that was added later on. It is the easy way of making people think it "now looks like a Countach" when it is actually not at all. The wing never was there for any other reason than show. It did not do anything. Apart from adding weight and slwoing the car down (really, it did...) so it is indeed better without. Didn't mention it in the film, so thanks for mentioning it here!
The rear lights of the diablo came From Hella I think. Bova and other bus manufacturers just used them from the shelve. (Like the F1 by the way)
Thanks for tuning in - and indeed, Hella of the shelve materials!
I agree for the most part on your opinios, I am honestly not a fan of this new version because : 1) It is too big compared to the original. Should have used the Huaracan as the base and bolt on the V12. 2) fussy looking wheels and too little tire sidewall. Bring back smaller rims and deep dish design and it will look less like a massive car on skinny looking carriage wheels. 3) Bring back the NACA duct. This one is just wrong 4) those tail lights...nope...If I am going to pay 2 million for a car I want bespoke lights. 4) Pop up headlights should be legal again hahahaha. Honestly if someone is going to get hit by a lambo, he is gonna die even without pop up lights, and who cares if it spoils the aero? You can't drive fast enough at night for aero to really work anyway and despite it;s wedge shape, I doubt the car as a whole has low coefficient of drag.
"Pop up headlights should be legal again"
😁 😆 👌
Nevertheless, many thanks for sharing your thoughts and thanks for tuning in - much appreciated.
Great explanation and analysis. We'd love to see your take on what a modern Countach could look like
Thanks for tuning in - the question is asked a lot on this car and many others too - and thanks for putting it in! But sadly I won't go there. Those who do this on UA-cam show how a car isn't designed in 10 minutes, or even 10 hours. Non of the car designers on UA-cam that did "quick fixes" actually made it look better and when they where in the process of making it "different"very often completely ignore law, legislation, hard points and engineering no goes... It is the fake news of car design, so to speak.
Do you remember, when Lamborighini Automobili were curvacious and elegant? Espada, Jarama, Miura and Jalpa were distinctively Italian, until the rivalry between Ferruccio Lamborghini and Enzo Ferrari didn't escalate to its highest point. Ferruccio wanted to prove Enzo that he's not just some average guy, who makes tractors and so Countach was born. Design-wise, Countach has lost its pro-Italian shtick, adopting global-wide 80's sharp pointy/cubical style, but on the bigger scheme of things, Countach has become a statement, an outstretched middle finger, a big bold "FUCK YOU!" letter to Enzo Ferrari and, boy, what a statement that was! Wave ripples after Countach release did not fade away to this very day. The car was so futuristic, so unusual, so expressive in its appearance, that whole design language for the brand has split into "before Countach" and "after Countach" timeline. Italians aren't famous for creating reliable cars, but you can't take this from them - they're expressive and the passion is something what Germans are devoid of. By renovating the Countach, Volkswagen had an easy job and even with all important guidelines Ferruccio left for them, they failed miserably.
We've talked about the topic already: Volkswagen has raised the prestige of Skoda brand (doesn't come as a surprise, because since the 70's Skoda didn't have any), however, other brands under Volkswagen governance have lost every bit of their personality. Seat, Lamborghini, Audi, Bugatti - what do you see by looking at any random taken model by these brands? I see hints of Passat or Octavia, even if we're talking about multi-million dollar car for the rich. Excuse moi, but when I look at this Aventach (Countador?), I see motherfucking Skoda. Ferruccio must be spinning in his grave.
Countach was a statement, so must be the next Countach. Does the new Countach state anything? It's merely regurgitating the Lego-like set from the VW design box, standardized and equalized. Everything has to look somewhat mundane, nothing has to stand out. For the sake of being slightly unpleasant to the eye, for you'll part ways with the car at the later stage in your life, when newer model comes out, VW made this huge faux intake the size manhole cover. Not a mistake - it's an eyesore by design. While the ad celebrates "the Countach line" (whatever that is - every mid-engine sport car from the 80s had one), the whole image falls apart. Sharp angles, the shape of air intakes, the character of the bumper and Audi-inspired lights graphics - these VW Lego parts even don't match that nicely each other!
When VAG will realize that car enthusiasts don't want equalization? Yeah, they do this to protect Porsche from internal competition, but by doing so they dilute and flush down the drain the very history of what made those brands famous in the first place. Vorsprung.
To hell with Volkswagen.
There are so few cars left with personality, it's not even funny. Thankfully, Nissan recovers from the hole that Brazilian idiot Carlos Ghosn has dug Nissan into, by releasing the car so nice, that I am eager to hang the poster on my wall. And to start dreaming about the car again, like in the days of my childhood. Not everything is lost. At least for Asian manufacturers. European ones, though, abandon all hope.
Thanks for your elaborate reply again! Although you are correct about how daring the Countach was/is when it was launched in the 70s, the reality is cars now have become far too expensive in R&D to be made as wild and daring - hence the rebody/coachbuilding efforts. (Never mind the rather exorbitant sums they ask - and GET! - for these type of cars)
Truly groundbreaking design sadly does not sell. See Multipla, see C-cactus, see many other great pieces of design that did not sell. VW became big because they truly understand this. People say they are missing Saab, but bought and Audi instead of a Saab when the brand was still around...
Is this new Countach perfect? By no means it is. Is it - seen in the reality of car design and R&D these days - a good effort: probably it is.
This is exactly it. It looks like an Aventador with Countach front end. The whole design is boring now.
@@dlsw1854 It is quite a missed oppurtunity indeed...
Thanks. I always enjoy your description of the constraints that force the hand of the designer:: in this case, the lights must be at a legal height, the intakes must provide sufficient air for the chosen engine, etc.
Thanks for tuning in to the video. Glad you enjoyed it! Indeed, the constraints are so easy to be overlooked. "Everybody" can Photoshop these days - and the result always looks "great", as in realistic, on these Shopped images. The real life environment is very different and to be fair there are quite a few frustrated car designers out there... So, those bashing people who designed this car misunderstand the complexity - and with that message in this specific video.
@@NielsvanRoijDesign I am guessing this is the difference between design and doodling.
@@martinherrington9499 It is indeed.
@@NielsvanRoijDesign i recently learned about "engineering hard points" that constrain a designer from a video by Hagerty on the bmw z4 and the supra. it would be great if you could point these out in your videos because it gets me more immersed in the design process. Knowing why something was done is so much cooler!
@@sports2hedz542 We have a selection of videos on these hard points actually, discussing our own work. For instance on the Breadvan Hommage in this series of videos on design, clay, coachbuilding, etc: ua-cam.com/video/GzPzmZbJKLw/v-deo.html
I think as well they did a great job overall on reinterpretation of the countach. The front is amazing but the side intake not so much. Thanks!
Glad you liked the review. Thanks for tuning in!
1st gen Countach looks better than 2nd gen, and then the same happened with the Aventador.... they only worsen the designs it seems... well, ok the later Aventador looks more mean, but the other looks more stylish... I like the new Countach, except for the side intakes and the lights. I think your observations are right here.
Thanks for tuning in. As often happens during facelifts, designers are pushed to "change it" by marketing departments. Change for the sake of change. The purity of lines of the first and second gen / facelifted Countach cannot be compared to the third, and messy, 25th anniversary car.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Please wonder around the channel if you enjoyed this - more around here on our cars and the design of other cars.
Great content and insight as always.
If I can offer one comment, I'm not a fan of the entire set of trailers and reveals playing at the start. Most of us will have seen them, and even if we haven't, we're here for your design insight more than seeing the marketing material played in full! :)
Thanks for tuning in and for sharing your thoughts on the video - taking that forward!
@@NielsvanRoijDesign i hadn't seen the 2nd video so i don't mind this. Plus i don't care how many times i have to see that original prototype in orange (overheating aside). So gorgeous and clean. Right out of 2001: Space Odyssey 😍
@@sports2hedz542 Yeah the old clean Countach is just amazing. Truly bold and unique in all possible ways.
I'm looking forward to this!
Thanks! Share your thoughts when it goes live please!
Me too!
@@dannyr2976 👍👍 Excellent - also please share your thoughts when it goes live!
Good and honest review!
Honesty is key here!
So basically you're saying about legal requirements for the headlights, just to say that they could easily implement DRLs, fog lights, indicators, and High beam (!) lower than low beam - so it was possible to have this iconic look, instead of this boring generic one.
Hi there, thanks for tuning in. Well, they could have installed a number of functions lower into the car indeed, but it leaves the major fuctions to be installed where exactly...?
*Well I do think that the REVENTÓN was / is the closest to the lines of the COUNTACH*
👍 Very radical too indeed, perhaps not retrospective enough for the Countach name?
I want a big le mans / f1 wing style wing in back. Don't gas light me and tell me they're out dated. I don't care that Enzo made it taboo on hyper cars. I hated that car. F50 was way better. The intro for the Countach already lost me when they wouldn't even consider a rear spoiler. Who ever designed this did not actually have a Countach poster as a kid and certainly never watched Canonball run. Just another design by hot air committee, with everyone trying to get their finger print on it and feather in their hat. Any retro resto project just swaps out the lamps for LEDS and the motor for an LS, and 20 plus rim tire package, with carbon fiber trim. Simple process. Just like the 2005 Ford GT. Just re-make it with bigger rims and lamp updates.
Thanks for tuning in and for sharing your thoughts on this Lambo! The complexity of car design is quite big, even if it might look similar, the 2005 Ford GT is not just a re-make with bigger rims and lamp updates. The problems with this Countach are highlighted in the video, but the issue lies not in the design department, but in the bean counters forcing them to use 100% of the package - as discussed in the video.
Really enjoyed hearing your analysis, have to agree with you on many of your points 👍🏻
Thanks for tuning in! It is a special car, but it could have been quite a bit more special...
@@NielsvanRoijDesign I agree. I really enjoy your content and am glad to find your channel. Keep up the great work. Hope to see some photoshop redesigns of future models.
@@yhk1977 Thanks! We did a few of these, although redesigns you'll find on other channels don't usually work, they are rushed and done in 15-30 minutes. It takes weeks/months/years to design a car with all its finesse. That is why we don't really do them on this channel...
@@NielsvanRoijDesign spoken like a true designer. Very well spoken indeed 👍🏼 that’s how I feel as an architect. Can’t rush good work and design.
@@yhk1977 Absolutely! Great to have an architect joining in the conversation here!
Great analysis!! To put it simply for me.. the three points of biggest contention are the front headlights…too high!!….rear taillights surrounds …to narrow.. need to be larger like original..carry over lights would work then.. and the side intake duct is atrocious…keeping it body colour may help
Thanks for tuning in and glad to hear you enjoyed the review! Much appreciated. Indeed, headlights aren't ideal, but hard to changes as per the video, rear end indeed thegraphics could have been cleaner and more upright and the side intake is rather unpleasant too... But it sadly isn't easy to correct that as per the hard points discussed in the video.
It's only iconic if it's in a new Cannon Ball run film. ;)
Haha, it would be a great new sequel film!
I trully believe that the Sian should bare the "countach" name. It bares some similarities but with a more futuristic approach which that was the original car all about. Something to look "out of this world". The modern Countach it's like if they kept facelifting the old car for 45 years, you would have this.
Thanks for tuning in. The Sian is extremely wild, one could argue that is conceptually too far from what the 70s Countach was: extremely reduced, very pure, almost mono-volume.
@@NielsvanRoijDesign "extremely wild" is what must have been said in the '70s about the original Countach. But you can't say it for this one here. It looks... mild.
@@vakis456 Let me rephrase it. Rather than wild, it should say messy and overly busy, with a lack of purity of line and refinement of surface. Because, indeed, the 70s Countach was wild (and still is, as a matter of fact!) but it wasn't any of the other above mentioned attributes.
@@NielsvanRoijDesign I get it now. I suppose all I'm trying to say is that new Countach isn't gonna make it to any child's bedroom wall (I think) - maybe they just don't do that anymore! Thanks for your time)
@@vakis456 That is right - and sadly so... It would have been great if they would have pushed it that little bit harded, made it more radical, more modern, more clean. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Has anyone seen the ARC reboot of the LP 500 prototype? I think its the perfect interpretation so far, would be a worthy private coach built project
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and getting in touch. Yes, seen that car too. It looks not bad - but does not at all take the Countach design theme forward. It is a slightly cleaned up and modernised old car, not on package with anything, no shared hardpoints, no important new rules and regs integrated, no cooling foir the V12 in the back and much more issues. There is a big difference between a nice sketch or 3D model and a coachbuilt project that becomes reality.
@@NielsvanRoijDesign Thanks Neils, yes, you are right, it does not seem to have the goal to move the design far from its 1970s origin, I think thats why I like it more. That design would be a `Ressurrectomod' project for someone - perhaps electrified, which at least would make it easier to modify chassis layouts. These are dangerous thoughts! I best stop
@@scdesign1565 Haha, always nice to have some wild thoughts around! But indeed, electrified it could have worked!
I agree with you about the air intakes and I would go even further and suggest that the majority of air should have come from the upper set of intakes instead of the sides.....they were extremely lazy and cheap with this car design .it's the kind of thing you would expect from a coachbuilder.... the car doesn't even come close to justifying it's name or it's price tag
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
When it comes to the air intakes: it sadly isn't as easy as your suggestion "the majority of air should have come from the upper set of intakes instead of the sides" when it comes to the real life world of the car designer. The statement is easy to make, the car cannot just be changed to have different intakes and air flow. Hence the short talk on that in the video. Although it WOULD have been nice, the realisty is that they need and have to have the ide intake. However, a change of graphic would have been nice, indeed...
And, ehhh, the "they were extremely lazy and cheap with this car design, it's the kind of thing you would expect from a coachbuilder" is that directed at your truly too? 😁 😆 😅
@@NielsvanRoijDesign no it's not an insult.. in fact it's not even an insult on the designers of the car. it's more directed towards the company that didn't give them a clean sheet to work on despite the eyewatering price tag
and about the intakes I was not suggesting they just shift it as is....what I meant was a repositioning of the intakes with a complete configuration under the hood while retaining only the engine.A talented group of engineers could manage that since the diablo and the Murciélago do not have the large side intakes despite having similar engines.
@@dhanu_4539 Understood, just joking around. The thing is however, the bean counters and marketing people have quite a bit of power over the design team in many companies. This seems to be one of those examples. Extremely hard to work around as a designer, despite loads of talent they might have...
@@dhanu_4539 Understood, although the Diablo versus Murcie was a different set of goals and different budgets. It surely all is possible, but to which costs. That is the issue here. To R&D of any regular car can be between 0,5 and 1,5 Billion Euro's these days...
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Much appreciated! Thanks so much. Hope you'll enjoy the other videos on the channel too. One new video each Tuesday!
@@NielsvanRoijDesign will do thanks followed your link from twitter 👍🏽
@@colarmstrong57 Ah, that's great to hear! Welcome to our humble channel! 👍
Je verteld over het feit dat de pop-up koplampen niet meer kunnen maar misschien hadden ze beter kunnen kiezen voor koplampen waarvan het bodypaneel voor de koplampen naar beneden “zinkt”.(kan even geen voorbeeld noemen). Daarnaast ben ik het volledig met je eens betreft de lucht inlaat aan de zijkanten van de auto, te groot en te lomp. M.b.t. De achterzijde vind ik de overal shape een cleane take op het origineel, wellicht hadden ze beter kunnen kiezen voor simpele box shaped leds. Wat mij ook intrigeert is alsof de koets op een soort skateboard ligt, waar jij aan de zijkant refereert naar een onnodige vouw, voor mij kan je hier te duidelijk zien dat het Countach jasje op een Aventador is geprobeerd te plakken, niet mooi mijn inziens. Bedankt voor je leuke video’s, de digi pen en PS zijn echt een toegevoegde waarde van je onderbouwing, ik hou ervan. En als laatst, ik vind dat je een leaderclipje moet laten maken welk je voor je video’s moet plakken, op die manier kleed je je video’s wat meer aan i.p.v dat een koude duik straight start met de analyse. :) cheers!
@@CerberaSagaris sorry I only speak English 🤭
Nice car, but waaay to expensive for a facelift, let's be honest, it's a facelift. It's a gimmick made for profits and that's it.
It's a facelift of the aventador, not the countach :P
@@grtbgf exactly, you can see it's an aventador with a dlc skin on it, not worth the money.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the video and the Lambo. It is a serious amount of money, especially as this is not a one-off car. Or perhaps say one of 5. They will make 112 examples... That is 112 x 2.000.000= 224.000.000 turnover! Rather crazy indeed.
@@grtbgf It is indeed. :)
@@sebsebseb1905 Rather steep indeed, for what it is. Not if it was a one of one, but with so many cars being made, it is truly expensive...
18:28 The rear was based on Lamborghini Sian… this countash abomination was based off the whole car actually. The new Countach was just a money grab.
Thanks for tuning in! And for sharing your thoughts. In the end each and every car is made to make money...
If and when you have time to take a peak at the Hennessy F5 which I don't think you'll be disappointed. It has a very unique wing. The designer takes you through the car in this video.
ua-cam.com/video/TETcKaH5YJ0/v-deo.html
Thanks for sharing! Will have a look.
Will break the silence for that one.
It has been a while indeed! Hope you're well!
1971 orignal is still the best and in another 50 years it will still astound.
New Countach looks boring. The original Lp500 and Lp400 did all the talking. New Countach the designer has to do all the talking on why there are elements integration "THUD" my head hit the table.
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughs on the newest Lambo. It isn't perhaps as good as it theoretically could have been, it likely is as good as it could have been realistically...
@@NielsvanRoijDesign I'm just a purist Its still a lovley super car.
@@edgarbeat275 Understood. Likewise, hence the video not being overly positive... 😉
@@NielsvanRoijDesign as a evlution of the Meculago spelling yes it works. For the Countach they need to breakaway from the hexagonal slashy styling and go for a less complicated form dare I say Less sticky out aero bits. It's a huge task for any designer/team to undertake.
I love the original Lp500 and Lp400 on looks alone and the interiors Brutalist forms like the Period the Lp500 was sketched and released late 60s early 70s I love Brutalist Concrete building structures.
The rear light have that Italian style cut suit about the shape. It blows my mind just looking at pictures. I also love how elements of the 67 Alfa carrabo and the 1970 Stratos are included into the Lp500. 67 to 71 what an exciting time for automotive design. I dont see the hype for the Miura the Countach in Lp400 or Lp500 form is a masterpiece equal to the DS19 and Lancia 51 B20 GT
I'm not a designer but a simple artist with an eye for form human or mechanical.
I just feel the new lacks drama, presence elegance and simplicity in its form.
Yes I also wanted to be a car stylist 😃
@@edgarbeat275 Well, the exact points you touch on are indeed outlined in the video as well. The big issue with working in the current automotive industry is the amount of limitations the designers (don't call car designers mere stylists in their face, some might attack you... 😆) have to work around. The hard points are hard points and one has to work around them.
They shit the bed on this design…
It is not the best the ever done, indeed...
new countach is ugly, it's not a real countach!!!!! where are the angular lines!? where is the wing?!?!! it's garbage!!!!
Thanks for tuning in and for sharing your thoughts on this car.