The PROBLEM with the Mega Man X Legacy collection!! Mega Man X Legacy Collection 1+2 Review!!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- The PROBLEM with the Mega Man X Legacy collection!! Mega Man X Legacy Collection 1+2 Retrospective Review!!
In this video we take a look at the Mega Man X Legacy collection and I talk about what I think Capcom did right and wrong with the execution. In general I love this collection and play it all the time but the game is far from perfect which I explain in this video!
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Not as important as no 8:7 option, but I think it's worth mentioning the absurd censorship of the General's salute in X4. And that Capcom was too cheap to license "Makenai Ai ga Kitto Aru" for the US release of the collection.
What a dumb thing to censor tbh. It's just an army salute. And yea FR how come we didn't get the main songs from X4? Capcom has money but they want to be cheap af when it comes to Mega Man
It's pretty ironic that the generals salute was retained on the E-rated X collection that was North American exclusive in 2006, but was cut on the T-rated X Legacy Collection they should have retained it in the Legacy Collection or it should have been the other way around that's why I would usually stick with the older collections....
i agree with you big dog, having MHX and CM as unlockable games for each collection would've been sick
And also the Xtreme Games. Don't forget those games.
@@Robski10 010497CA!
Right
I commented that in a video of a single track from Irregular Hunter X years ago, these games are too good to keep them only in PSP and PS2
MHX was okay (Vile mode was a little overrated and the 3D screen-crunched environments weren't as good as the original 16-bit), but CM definitely.
I think a missed opportunity for not just separating the game collections, but if combined: the main menu could literally be an old-style boss select screen, only the "bosses" are the 8 X games, and as you beat them, it grays out the "beaten" games until you beat them all and unlock the "Sigma" selections, which would be MHX, Xtreme1, Xtreme2 and MMX:CM. It sounds silly, but it would be awesome.
Great idea
Brooo that wouldve been sick...
15:35 While an 8:7 option would have been nice for those who wanted it, 4:3 is the intended aspect ratio since the games were intended to be played on CRTs and they stretch the image to 4:3. And yes, the game devs did realize this and even accounted for it in the game. In the intro of Armoured Armadillo's stage, there are circles in the floor, in 4:3 they are perfectly round, in 8:7 they are ovals.
One problem I have with the X Legacy Collection is that they could have given you the option to play either the cartridge or CD-ROM versions of Mega Man X3
Agreed. I prefer the CD soundtrack to X3. The snes soundtrack is too grating in my opinion.
The input lag on Playstation is a pain to deal with
Same with the switch. It makes it unplayable for me since I like to speedrun that game.
@@stephen1193nah, the game runs fine for me
The severe input lag at launch was a huge problem, made several of the games unplayable (couldn't even dash jump in x4 at launch)
Agreed. I couldn't even dash jump correctly to get the X buster in MMX
Did they fix it?
@@thomasffrench3639 I'm assuming so
@@anthonybernero9720not for SNES games.
@8:00 and @9:58 proper pronunciation of Tooterp (too-ter-pee) CONFIrMED 👍
I hate Mega Man X3 on the Mega Man X Collection on Steam. There aren't any cutscenes/animations for the bosses when you first select the stage. And the music doesn't change it just plays straight through. No boss music or enemy boss meter fill sound. It's vanilla as Hell. Thank God they didn't mess up X4 though
I've actually heard that these collections had input lag, but according to you they don't? I feel like I'm getting mixed opinions on it, and you're a speedrunner, so I would expect you to notice. I don't know who to believe.
I definitely experienced input lag in the PS4 version. Made it a bit annoying to play through.
I feel you should cover problems with battle network legacy collection, which starts with volume 1 and 2 being 40 bucks per if you buy them individually making the total amount spent 80 bucks or 100 if you buy physically after trying digital. There is no cheap way to introduce a friend to that collection
Japanese version for switch they have 2 cartridges
I prefer the pc version of x3. I loved the snes but the sound and mini cutscenes from the pc version was cool
I agree.
It was bad when this entire collection was on sale for $5 for each one this summer, and played them to find how bad the ports were. How can mega man x have slowdown on the tutorial intro stage on a 5800X cpu and 3070 Ti GPU with 32GB’s of RAM??
Do megaman battle network live stream!
Yes
One thing that kills me in the second collection of this game is the fact that Megaman X8 had a PC port, with dual audio, and multiple languages. And instead of giving us THAT version capcom decided to emulate the PS2 version which doesn't let you play the game in English/Japanese audio, a thing the Pc version allowed you to.
Megaman Battle & Chase is also on the PS2 version. I know because I own it myself and unlocked it.
Zack Notes on the trailer gallery: The X2 trailer is a official GMV from 2011 (X1 is the ONLY trailer from the SNES era) and X7 had the same trailer for both languages
My problem is that I can't find a way to minimize the game. I have to exit the game every time if I want to use my computer for something else.
I dunno. For whatever reason, I can nearly 100% the Wall Jump to Buster Upgrade on Wheel Gator Stage, except on this collection, where it really feels like the level itself got edited and that gap got moved over like, ONE TILE or something. I know it's super tight, but it's the main reason for my X2 route, where I do WG first, OO second, and then from there on in order
Its input delay. And its worse depending on what platform you got the game on. I died more times than i should of in X1-3 due to the latency. On ps4.
Edited: maybe also due to the improper 4:3 compared to 8:7?
Dude. 4:3 is the proper stretching/scaling aspect. I have no idea what shoot you were crapping over with that.
4:3 is what CRT TVs output, SNES outputs at 8:7 onto a 4:3 CRT. CRTs are curved so it looks great on that in 4:3, but on a flat screen it looks stretched unless you're playing at the natural aspect ratio of 8:7
So unless you're playing Mega Man X Legacy collection on a CRT it looks weird
There's a lot of confusion about that so I understand why a lot of people didn't know what I was talking about but either way they should have added the option in the legacy collection.
I would've been MUCH happier if they had been a single release, had they done it properly with the stuff you suggested and gone the extra mile of AT LEAST making the X1-X3 bosses in the X4-X6 graphics, I would've even paid the full 60 dollar price point.
If you bought the PS4 version it would have been a single full price release. I agree that if they were going to do an X-Challenge mode, then it should have been done in a way so that all of the characters were represented in a uniform style (either 16-bit or 32-bit) - it would even allow for X8 characters to appear, and it just looks cheap having two conflicting art styles on screen.
One thing you're wrong about is that 4:3 is improper scaling for SNES games. While 8:7 would be a nice option to have, the games were meant to be played on a 4:3 TV. That was the intended ratio. 8:7 displays were not, and still aren't, a thing.
I wish the Megaman Legacy collection would've included Megaman & Bass. I ended up importing the Super Famicom version and the game is definitely not as hard if you're skilled.
The aspect ratio change from SNES to GBA made for about 90% of the difficulty of that version, tbh
The super famicon version is the more tolerable version. Gameboy Advance version was a nightmare.
They didn''t include the original PC CD-ROM versions in these collections. That's one big damn problem. Especially since the PC version of X3 has a hardmode the Saturn and PSX versions don't X1 was released for DOS native no emulation as is its own thing as was X3-4-5-6-7-8 on PC before the digital era. Only X2 never received a PC version for some reason.
Since you got over 500 like, are you going to do the video comparing the X collections now?
Curious how I was playing Megaman X8 in the Legacy Collection and the second I stopped playing it out of a ragequit, a video about the problems of the Legacy Collection pops up on my feed.
Why i love that Collection is u can Battle against X & Awakened Zero Hard Mode 9-4 Secret Boss.
where would I play these games @ site or otherwise? or download & play
Ok can you make the best/worst weapons in every Mega man x game x-x8🙂
soon
Also, X DiVE has *potential* - but it's got nothing until they put in the Maverick Weapons. It's a critical element to the OG game design and it just doesn't work without that factor, imho.
I own the X Legacy Collection for PS4 & Switch. A month ago I beat the entirety of the Megaman Zero/ZX Legacy collection.
They could have also added zero to the x challenge mode to mix it up more.
My only complaint was the input lag. It's very minor but noticeable at times. Enough to frustrate.
X6 should've had its script fixed.
at least they fixed the voice switch on X7 so you can hear the Japanese voices in-game and in cutscenes as intended...but that game should've been dubbed in Toronto in the first place just like all the other Capcom games of that era like RE0, DMC1, Onimusha 1, RE: Code Veronica, or going further back, RE2, RE3, Dino Crisis 1 and 2, even all the Mega Man Legends games ffs!
I said the same thing about the volume settings literally yesterday when I was playing the X legacy collection in my ps4, what a coincidence that you released this video this time and mentioned the same point 😂😂🤙.. I was complaining that the sound effects of the explosions and the buster is loud and a bit annoying, in the same time I don't wanna lower the volume considering that MMX music is awesome.. So yeah it sucks but I can live with it.. Lol
I do have a complain about X8 in this collection though:
Capcom released Megaman X8 to PC decades ago, and that version had multiple languages and the ability to play the game in English text with Japanese Audio, a thing the Collection doesn't because they are emulating the PS2 versions of the game.
Again, it's just a thing but I do think X8 PC version was better made than X8 PS2 version and I played both.
I love UA-camrs who call out reddit users and calls me a not a gamer for using rewind. Subscribed
Genuine constructive criticism: you mentioned subscribing and your channel way too much. I can’t explain why exactly, but it’s a big turnoff and makes my brain want to do the opposite.
I did like the video though and I wish you well!
I get this comment a lot and I agree but unfortunately it works too well lol, when I don't do it or only do it once or twice I'll get 5-10 subscribers per video max. But when I turn it into a running joke I'll get 50-100 with the same amount of views, I try my best to at least make it part of the video and not an interruption where I show a statistic but it's just how modern UA-cam is :/
@@tooterp Hmm. I’m glad to hear it nets some results, but I’d still vi that it makes content age poorly and the final product worse off. But that’s just me. Grind however you please
The maverick challenge is a mixed bag, its just a legalized MUGEN, the two Mavericks does not form a cohesive team for a player to grasp their attacl patterns
I'm just glad we got these games again. Although I would love to see X9 still, done in an SNES art style.
Not only maverick hunter x and comman mission, we shouldve also had the gameboy titles... Make it complete
Doesn't look like there's keyboard remapping in the X Legacy Collection either. I'm currently playing the Zero Legacy Collection and because the button mappings are that bad I basically have to play all of it on the Steam Deck because I can't be bothered to connect my Wii U Pro Controller for a game that, on paper, should play perfectly fine with a keyboard.
You can switch the controls in the Zero/ZX legacy collection. When playing the game press L until you see the button inputs and you can change them.
@@AspieGamer1986 Problem is this Legacy Collection for STEAM had LIMITED Keyboard Mapping. You only had literally a fixed set of keys to map controls & CANNOT map the movement keys.
The original Mega Man X4 for PC (16-bit Windows) can literally map EVERY SINGLE key for that edition, including the movement keys, because it so happens that I personally own a copy of that 1998 game myself. Capcom had that ONE chance to restore that mapping and they blew it massively.
I never got to play Command Mission. Would've been cool to have it on XLC2
Adding remixed music and making iris playable would be nice along with mhx to go with the total package 😃😃😃
What background is that on your monitors that shows the different X armours??
I'm not sure what it's called but I use wallpaper engine on steam and look up Mega Man
Yes agreed. Love the collection overall but as someone who’s never played CM and enjoyed MHX, it makes me sad they didn’t include it!
Also, Capcom not getting the license for “Moonlight” for X6’s opening hurts my emo punk hardcore soul lol the replacement sounds so generic.
I wish they had an x to let you general location of hidden Items and or tips on how to find them. I thought the museum was boring no box or manual scans. Otherwise I really enjoyed both collections
What's the point of these collections when you can just emulate these games for free and use mods to fix the flaws and aging aspects of a handful of games? That's what I did with these games. Used mods to remove slowdown on the SNES games, make Mega Man X3 PS1 PAL into NTSC and use mods to make X4 - X6 subtitled and add QOL features. Besides, I am not supporting this because of the pixel scaling issues and the censorship with parts of X4's intro being dimmed when bright and the salute from the General being removed.
You can probably also emulate indie games for free, so why buy those?
How are you going to say there doesn’t seem to be any input lag when there have been various tests confirming there is additional input lag? Lack of research
Yeah and all those test were at launch, so I have no idea if it is still true or people are just saying that there's noticeable input lag because of a test 5 years ago.
@@thomasffrench3639they seem pretty accurate still. I play a lot of shmups to 1cc them. I can tell -3 frame from 5+, these are at least 4 frames lol. Mega man zero collection was way better since they ported them instead just emulate them. If anything they’re worse on pc at least now since capcom added drm to a bunch of their old titles including these games
@@Mingodough Yeah, and they only had a test 5 years ago. I mean if you play schmups, I believe you, but I still want hard evidence. I just feel like there is a lot of misinformation about it, and I feel very confused due to conflicting reports.
@@Mingodough how does the X collection compare to the classic collection? I just got the game, and noticed next to no lag from what I can tell.
@@thomasffrench3639 it’s about the same. I’m not sure what you’re playing but on switch, it’s around the same input lag, from what I remember I think classic 2 is a little better but I know for sure classic 1 is pretty “bad” but hey if you don’t notice it well, that’s alright, I’m just a virgin who knows there are better options, but what works for you, works for you.
4:3 is the correct aspect ratio to display SNES games. If your emulator is displaying them in 8:7, it is either misconfigured or just a bad emulator.
If you have never played the battle network games highly recommend the collection 🤙🏻 sweet video
Hey at least im not the only person who uses an xbox controller for mega man x
This collection suffers from one fatal flaw (and a few other smaller flaws). It has poor scaling issues!
Basically what that means is, the pixels aren't scaled correctly when displayed on a 1080p monitor using the type 1 screen stretch option (the standard 4:3 with black borders on each side). It has no interpolation at all, so the pixels are forced to be uneven and thus creates that ugly uneven stair case effect around most angled objects, including X himself.
It even affects the title screens, making the fonts look more jagged and uneven than they should.
There is no proper fix for this, unfortunately. The only work around, is if you you use a 1440p monitor and use type 2 screen stretch (which means an entire border all around your much smaller game screen...) it's capable of evenly scaling the vertical and horizontal pixels correctly then. :(
I just ran Mega Man X 1, 2 and 3 via my retroarch setup just moments after trying out this collection and it's just so much better and smoother using emulation with retroarch.
Capcom couldn't be bothered to make sure this wasn't an issue. It's a damn shame. As of now, emulating these games on your own, provides far superior results. For some reason, even the audio sounds better on retroarch. Like there's additional reverb or something.
Sad about this. I submitted for a refund just now, since I only spent less than 2 hours finagling with the options and other external methods, to no avail.😥
Just wondering, is the Japanese dub available in this release?
I don't agree about the separation. Well, except the Switch. That part was BS. There they sold them together and yeah, to save costs they only put the first on the disk and make you download the second. Which completely defeats the purpose of a physical release.
But outside that, no I would not want to pay extra to have the 2 games combined. That's a waste of money. And, well, splitting it up does allow people to buy only the first collection, which is far superior. Doing it the way they did is kinda bad for Capcom because the second collection is so much weaker.
X7 and X8 are such trash games it feels like a waste of money lol I'd normally hate the splitting of the games too and spit on corporate corner cutting but frankly I'd rather pay $20 for X1-4 then $60 to have X6/7/8
" You're not a gamer if you use rewind "
Me spamming F5/F9 in any FPS : 😅
I feel like the second collection hasn't changed anyting
What you don't do is answer questionsbooo
I know it’s a little stupid… but I didn’t like how you cannot use ZL and ZR buttons in the SNES games (at least on the switch)…
GREAT video however!!!
13:53 I expected that version of X3 to be in the collection because it includes fully animated cutscenes that add a lot of charm to the game (the opening being one of my favorite openings in the franchise) and a soundtrack that I can actually jam to (yes, I don't like the SNES OST that much in comparison to the Saturn version. Some songs on the SNES version are ok like Zero's theme, but others are just so annoying to listen to (*cough* Neon Tiger *cough*). So yeah, I'm pretty disappointed the Saturn version was completely omitted from the collection
That's fair lol, it would have been nice for them to add it for sure
That comment about reddit was actually so based
You didn't go into details about input lag.
I also prefer the collections for the classic series as well, because its museum actually lets you fight bosses outside the game, which has helped me get better enough to not always play games with a weakness order. However, I stopped playing the games in both Classic and X collections because of the input lag. You still have moments with slowdown, you can't map the actions to every input (no matter what platform, unlike most games nowadays), and the input lag was infuriating for me. In my case with the Switch version, I feel enough lag on both docked and portable mode. And I know it's not the TV when the other games I have are more responsive. It sucks having these problems in what should be the most accessible way to play those games in 2023.
Did you play the games recently? I'm just wondering, because I keep hearing conflicting things on input lag with a test that was run 5 years ago being used as reference.
@@thomasffrench3639 Yep, I absolutley did. Nothing changed, so it's still unresponsive for me.
@@CarloNassar Okay, thank you
@@CarloNassar is it better or worse than the classic collection?
@@thomasffrench3639
It's honestly equal to me.
I got Megaman Battle Network Legacy collection for Switch and all the games are on 1 cartridge.
Wow your stock went way down knowing that your an Xbox player
I just use an xbox controller, I play mostly on PC B)
Live streams sound groovy. Keep up the good work!
i think that you need to go even further and compare the USA release vs the Japanese version of these games, for 1 and this is a big one, all of X6's music is the original including the intro level... 2 there is actually more content in the commercials that were cut out of the USA release, being such a X fan that i was i not only bought these games on both switch and ps4 but i imported there Japanese counterparts Rockman Anniversary collection which sadly also come complete or separate if you see fit, my ps4 version came as a 2 disc set and the switch i had the option of getting part 1 on cart and a code for part 2 or getting them in 2 separate boxes but both are on game cards, so we got the shaft in the states
also for the snes games, 8:7 is correct however tvs back in the day only came in 1 format so the 8:7 squished down to 4:3 is correct and most developers were able to either expect that and compensate it to show correct (like the moon in crono trigger or the mortal kombat circle logo) and if memory serves the x7 and x8 games arent the ps2 counterparts but instead those 2 games are in fact the PC versions which is another ball of fun to unravel, and im not sure what they used for x4 to x6 as last i checked noone was able to dump any actual roms of any of the games aside from x1 to x3 so there was a lot of work done on these games just like the classic legacy collection 2 and the zero collection and the hybrid format im hearing for the battle network collection so... not just roms dumped into emulators and sold but rebuilds from the ground up
So NOW....x weapons are next right
One day lol
you need to stop with the "Make sure you subscribe" on every 2 minute like damn shut up
i had my Toy on Rockman X include Ultimate Armor X and Black Zero and i prefer Japanese Song better on Rockman Series.
I skipped buying it. I already have those games. If theu would've added some new stuff with it..then yeah i would have. Like some new bosses, stages, & other stuff. There's a big battle mode. But they reused that twice.
Of course, there's no video for the Z collection.
30€ in Europe which made it not worth it here, luckily i had the american nitendo store :D
Still have my x GameCube controller
Command Mission wasn’t in because X Collection only emulates the SNES games. X4-X8 were ported from the source code and run natively on PC. Command Mission probably was too difficult to get working and not part of the scope of the collection.
I'm really loving the shirt!!! 🏆
The way you made it sound was that there was something wrong with the game 😂
Don’t give anyone any flack for using the rewind feature in the first Legacy Collection. The first six Mega Man games were purposely made difficult so that consumers got value for the money spent. As such, they are unfairly difficult in a lot of situations. Stop shaming people for using a rewind feature. You’re not less of a gamer if you use rewind. I think it’s incredibly rude, ignorant and disrespectful to claim anyone’s less of a gamer if they happen to not want to deal with the inconsistent and oftentimes flat out evil difficulty of the original Mega Man games.
Oh brother go cry a river. The games aren't that difficult. Well I admit there are some bs bosses (looking at you yellow devil boss from mm1) that yea is extremely frustrating without using exploits.
I miss the Zelda videos.
wut
I like the collection and all but what the hell was this xchallenge, it was so lazy content, specially the hard mode, why developers still think that give a stupid amount of hp to a boss is equal to hard mode?
(Appalled, and disgusted) I agree about the challenges lol and the health bar is wack lmao
Yay
You lost me after 4 subscribes....
CLICK BAIT!!!!!!!!!!!
The problem is that the mega man x collection says it has 8 games but there's only 7 x games.
While I still love the Mega man like the collection, I do like these videos that speak up and bring up faults in them.
the video is good by itself, but you are so much constantly talking about your channel and videos you made and zas, that it gets kinda anoying
Couldn't disagree more. Why do games need to be perfect? Why can't they just be good or ok?
I get it, you want me to subscribe, no need to plug it in so much...
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Nobody care
@@jaidynsantiagodonotmesswit7801 It’s not serious, and it’s just for fun
No, I beat ya to it. Bahaha
@@afterglow-podcast That’s strange because I recall my comment being the first to appear. Regardless, I guess that was a lag
It actually doesn’t really matter to me tho lol
@@somewackoonyoutube2449 yup
10:30
No input lag / latency
{;ay exactly like the original ones
Looks better than the odl collection "Because that one doesn't work with moden tvs"
Eats inputs more because I h ave a bluetooth controller
"If you use rewind option you are not a "gamer""
Couldn't be more wrong if you tried
yeah you can watch them on youtube etc.... but it will always force the player
to watch something else even tho the mind set of the player isn't always going
to be that for Mega Man Excitement..... which is why i think that idea of the Gallery
is a nice touch for that reason alone.
you know what else is missing from this collection.....
Sprite Mega Man X swap use for the X Challenge Battles.....
i would've love to play as X - SNES version on the new Maverick Bosses.
but no... we only get X - SONY version is fine but would've been a nice edit.
This video has 700+ likes. Where’s the comparison video? @tooterp