Woden Class Refit VS Shangri La - Both Ways - Star Trek Starship Battles

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
  • #startrek #starships
    Today we take a look at the Woden Class.
    This ship was at the Battle of Wolf 359, although never actually seen on screen.
    How will it fair against the Shangri-La Class?
    Played from both sides in Star Trek Bridge Commander Remastered.
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  • @kanaric
    @kanaric 6 місяців тому +8

    This ship was one of the test models for the USS Excelsior. Shangri-La really is one of the best designs since the 80s.

  • @mikeyboy1234567
    @mikeyboy1234567 6 місяців тому +3

    My headcanon for all of the weird Starfleet ships you see is that they are technical testing ships. Throw a Galaxy warp drive and nacelle on an Ambasador class saucer section and check that it wont blow up when you go to warp. Building a new ship class for real, built pieces of it and attach it to some miranda class to test that it wont fly apart at war 6.
    Then once all the components are tested integrate them back into a ship and you get the new Excelcior class, or the Galaxy class. Then of course once the big ship is made you work on reducing the size of all the components into your Miranda and Nebulas types. And you can use the odd ball ships for training, further technical refinement or an emergency fleet, which seems like it happened at Wolf 359.

  • @blavyn12
    @blavyn12 6 місяців тому +8

    "We got their shields!" = the starship version of "I've got your nose!"

  • @stevelapierre4776
    @stevelapierre4776 6 місяців тому +3

    😲Well done Admiral.. In a way I like the Woden class.. and yes good they picked the Excelsior style.. and that long neck.. almost Klingon style.. still nice ships.. and the Shangri-La.. nice too. And that site is great for info. wow.. need to write that down.. and maybe why the long neck of the ship to carry the torpedoes.. Remember Undiscovered Country.. Scotty saying '' All 100 Photon torpedoes accounted for'' so hmm. nice tactics too Admiral.. great battle as always!!😊🖖

  • @Daginni1
    @Daginni1 6 місяців тому +11

    Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should

    • @MSR-1701
      @MSR-1701 6 місяців тому +3

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @TrentonBennett
    @TrentonBennett 6 місяців тому +3

    Ex Astris Scientia is definitely an awesome website. I like to look back at it now and then for references.
    To be fair to the Enterprise-E they did a lot of blind firing and wasted a lot of their torpedoes. I think had ALL of them connected they would have done a lot better.
    I agree the victor in this is the Woden. I too am glad what we see for the Excelsior in Star Trek III and Star Trek VI was the final ship design.

    • @SuperGamefreak18
      @SuperGamefreak18 6 місяців тому

      Agreed by the time they were able to hit that stupid ship most of the weapons systems were spent

  • @MSR-1701
    @MSR-1701 6 місяців тому +4

    While the Woden itself was never named in BobW, glad Max included in the Wolf359 Aftermath pack, as the 4 nacelled Excelsior was barely vsible as part of the wrecked fleet😅

  • @pyronuke4768
    @pyronuke4768 6 місяців тому +5

    5:45 I think it was quantum torpedoes they said they'd ran out of against the Scimitar.

  • @Dr.Westside
    @Dr.Westside 6 місяців тому +6

    It looks like a wooden ice cream spoon with some nacelles attached

  • @retluoc
    @retluoc 6 місяців тому +3

    My dyslexic eyes saw Wooden Class. 😄 I need to read more than UA-cam posts. 😀
    From a couple other posts, I'm not alone, but I still smacked myself on the head.
    I'll look up Woden once I'm done seeing the battle, I think he some kind of Norse god.
    Yes, of the 40 ships at Wolf 359, 39 were lost. I forget which one escaped.
    Oh yes, I forget how many torpedoes Voyager had, I think it was around 120.

    • @danspawn85
      @danspawn85 6 місяців тому +1

      Odin

    • @retluoc
      @retluoc 6 місяців тому +1

      Yep, in some backgrounds Woden and Odin are the same... I had to review Norse mythology to find that.
      The Allfather... the angry father of Thor 😆.

    • @MSR-1701
      @MSR-1701 6 місяців тому +2

      Voyagers torp count was also researched and documented on Ex Astris Scientia.... 😎

  • @martinm.1967
    @martinm.1967 6 місяців тому +3

    Woden Class... I like the design.

  • @lvl10cooking
    @lvl10cooking 6 місяців тому +1

    I think the long secondary hull would be a great place for cargo or labs and stuff, while the primary hull is where everyone bunks.

  • @deepdivedylan
    @deepdivedylan 6 місяців тому +6

    This was originally ordered by Neelix; he ordered a four nacelle pizza slicer. 🍕 🔪

  • @jamesbarrow904
    @jamesbarrow904 6 місяців тому +2

    Woden (Proto-Excelsior) vs Probert Ambassador, battle of the design concepts

  • @DanBen07
    @DanBen07 6 місяців тому +2

    Yeah in the real world for the design of the Excelsior the studio made several design models. Eaglemoss even made models of them.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  6 місяців тому +1

      Cool! I wasn't aware Eaglemoss made models of them. That's neat! 🖖

    • @DanBen07
      @DanBen07 6 місяців тому

      @@RetroBadgerGaming Yeah eaglemoss also did other concept art ships mostly Starfleet also a Klingon ship from enterprise. They also did a couple of Starfleet ships that were only mentioned in reference material like technical manuals. And a few ships that were on screen but not shown properly like Enterprise D captain's yacht & voyagers Aeroshuttle.

  • @nickpond9337
    @nickpond9337 6 місяців тому

    Great Work to Every ~ One that was Involed in this Thank You ;

  • @umage1
    @umage1 6 місяців тому

    The Woden reminds me of the old flatbed carrier design from Star Fleet Battles.

  • @warwolf88
    @warwolf88 6 місяців тому +1

    I would of made use of the empty space between the nacelles and saucer by putting hangers for fighters😊

  • @krishouston3747
    @krishouston3747 6 місяців тому

    The Woden-class Refit reminds me of the human ship in the Star Control series of video games lol

  • @EdricLysharae
    @EdricLysharae 6 місяців тому +3

    Loved it! Do you have the Okinawa Class by chance?

    • @MSR-1701
      @MSR-1701 6 місяців тому +2

      Those are in BC, and maybe in RE...😉

  • @CollinDonnell
    @CollinDonnell 6 місяців тому +2

    That Galaxy X with the third nacelle has never done it for me aesthetically 😂

    • @kanaric
      @kanaric 6 місяців тому +1

      I never was a fan of any of the 90s designs. In the 90s everyone was obsessed with things that looked badass and edgy in all media and a ton of designs from then were basically that lol. Now like the new-new stuff the post-Discovery stuff is retro inspired, looks way better.

  • @dixievfd55
    @dixievfd55 6 місяців тому +1

    There's connie debris and a phase 2 connie at Wolf 359 in the show.

  • @jeffjr84
    @jeffjr84 6 місяців тому

    I like the excelsior study model as a concept.. id love to see it in STO with like 3 hangars.

  • @neilashley416
    @neilashley416 6 місяців тому

    Apparently one of the original designs of the excelsior class 😮😮😮

  • @jamesbarrow904
    @jamesbarrow904 6 місяців тому +1

    I wonder, if Starfleet went with the Woden design for Excelsior would Sulu still have wanted the bucket of bolts?

  • @Renserin
    @Renserin Місяць тому

    Now you have me curious, what the Woden's lore would have been, had it appeared in an episode as a working starship. It's certainly an unusual design.

  • @pyronuke4768
    @pyronuke4768 6 місяців тому +3

    There are so many ships that were supposedly at Wolf 359

    • @MSR-1701
      @MSR-1701 6 місяців тому +1

      Most were retconned in, though I believe the four nacelled Excelsior was in the background.
      I always loved the notion to use concept design ships (pre-cgi model creations for what the ship should look like) as background ships

    • @MattBurrill
      @MattBurrill 6 місяців тому +2

      40 to be exact.

  • @b003
    @b003 6 місяців тому +1

    Ex Astra is a great site!

  • @williamshafer9110
    @williamshafer9110 6 місяців тому

    I like the design of both ships

  • @Ronald006
    @Ronald006 6 місяців тому +2

    this seems more like a transport colony Vessel I can't see this ship in too many combat situations and to put it up against a future vessel is highly illogical different eras different schools of thought and design philosophies just something to consider.

  • @_BLACKSTAR_
    @_BLACKSTAR_ 6 місяців тому +1

    WHAT!!!
    Voyager CLAIMED to have limited torpedoes, but fired over 90 of them thru the whole series.

  • @zgr1mm
    @zgr1mm 6 місяців тому +2

    That looks wicked

  • @samspeed6271
    @samspeed6271 6 місяців тому

    I like the Woden. It looks sleek, fast, like Utopia Planitia found the speed freak in the office and told him to draw a fast ship.
    The Shangri-la is a gorgeous ship.
    On torpedoes. Going by the figures we have in lore, photons should be scary powerful. IIRC it's 1.5kg antimatter and 1.5kg matter in the warhead, about 2.7*10^17J of mass-energy equivalence, 64.5MT in TNT equivalent. Even assuming a large chunk is lost as neutrinos that do nothing and photons going in the wrong direction, Voyager with 38 photons could easily end all life on a planet.
    However, Voyager isn't a warship. The Intrepid class is really an explorer at heart. Warships and wartime refits have sharper teeth. One reference book I have, Spaceflight Chronology, lists Romulan War era ships with 200 on the Horizon class cruiser, 400 on the Marshall class destroyer. This would certainly sustain longer operations, but it's a lot of firepower.

  • @dazlovescarter
    @dazlovescarter Місяць тому

    The only thing that annoys me about the research in to the wolf 359 battle is that people seem to think that Hanson was on a Galaxy Class stardrive section when he wasnt. It was shown that he is was on Excelsior Class Melbourne

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  Місяць тому

      I think the reason for this is that on the original script, which was released years later, it actually stated he was in a Galaxy Class Star Drive. Although changes were made to the script. I don't think it definitively says anywhere what type of ship he was on? We do know that there were 2 Melbournes though. An excelsior and a Galaxy Class 🖖

    • @dazlovescarter
      @dazlovescarter Місяць тому

      @@RetroBadgerGaming it was stated when the Enterprise arrived and Shelby listed the ship, her pause before saying the Melbourne is the proof that he was on that ship. There was never any indication he was on the Stardrive section of a Galaxy since there was no wreckage of a Stardrive section at the battle.
      There were 2 Melbournes one was Excelsior class the other was Nebula. There was no Galaxy class there

  • @jodyhoward2421
    @jodyhoward2421 6 місяців тому +1

    Boom sweet

  • @MSR-1701
    @MSR-1701 6 місяців тому +2

    LOL, speaking of Voyager Torpedoes, see Ex Astris Scientia for details of the total number used...😂😂😂😂

    • @kanaric
      @kanaric 6 місяців тому +2

      They really should have given Ronald D Moore control of that show lmao

    • @MSR-1701
      @MSR-1701 6 місяців тому

      @@kanaric 😅

  • @Anarchist86ed
    @Anarchist86ed 6 місяців тому +1

    Voyager used 123 of its 38 photon torpedoes.

    • @PD-bg2zj
      @PD-bg2zj 6 місяців тому +2

      It always was a great ship. It also seemed to have hundreds of shuttles for some reason.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  6 місяців тому +1

      🤣🤣

  • @skyserf
    @skyserf 6 місяців тому +1

    Now I want pizza.

  • @reecedrury4145
    @reecedrury4145 6 місяців тому +1

    Woden would have fitted in Disco better. Suitably aged ofcourse

  • @therealspyro1926
    @therealspyro1926 6 місяців тому +1

    Prime universe enterprise a and excelsior vs kelvin uss vengeance

  • @MisterMarin
    @MisterMarin 6 місяців тому +1

    If old pirate ships were made of wood, what is Woden made of? 😉

    • @MisterMarin
      @MisterMarin 6 місяців тому

      Also: How much hull could a hullchuck chuck of a Woden if a hullchuck could chuck Wod? 😁

  • @Euripides_Panz
    @Euripides_Panz 6 місяців тому

    Is it worth having this extender? Especially when "they have holes."

  • @user-eu8ki5is3r
    @user-eu8ki5is3r 6 місяців тому +1

    Ok ok pizza hut wants their pizza cutter back, the French are complaining that star fleet stole their baguettes and have nothing to serve with the escargot for visiting dignitaries.
    Sorry but the Woden just does not fit in the Star Fleet design ascetic, looks like a drunk ferengi, packled and maylon engineer got together after a year long drinking binge to come up with this

  • @UncommonKnowledge587
    @UncommonKnowledge587 6 місяців тому

    Looks a bit like a stretched out Stargazer, which isn't bad 🖖