Hoping to hear from some battery chemistry experts. What are your thoughts of this new optional lower power charging profile? And from all of you, would you leave your Taycan in this setting if you owned one?
Not a battery expert but I have learned enough from Apples charging scheme to Porsches and know lithium is best treated kindly in it’s normal operating range of temperature and if it goes beyond that; it’s not that the charging hurts it but the temperature starts to degrade it. I would set it just like you suggested in the battery saving mode until I needed it otherwise and beyond that I would probably charge it more at home then I would be on the road, but that’s more of a used case than anything else. Tesla does a fantastic job for getting each individual cell cooled but is there anyone else that’s doing as good a job with their batteries? It looks like Porsche may be among the best.
@@garyclark6747 Porsche has a much different battery structure. Fact is, and from having owned three Tesla’s, frequent fast, aka high temperature , charging is not optimum for any battery. If the manufacturers could better manage heat , then fast charging in the future could be safe and efficient. 350 kw charging is not currently suitable for motor vehicle charging, so all of these claims about “ my car charges faster than your car” is nonsense. Sounds as if Porsche recognizes this and has dialed back their charge claims for ad ertising and customers. Frankly, most owners charge at home so it’s typically more an issue “ on the road.”
The time it took for this Porsche to charge from 0-100% in battery saving mode is the same amount of time for us to charge our Bolt EV from 30-80% lol!
Yes a bolt was my prior EV to the Taycan. The Bolt is a great car for 200 mi journeys in and infrequent longer trips. I took it in a 1000mi road trip with family. A bit painful on charging stops, but worked great at Joshua Tree National Park. I especially appreciate having an EV in parks. Feels even more like a Boy Scout goal of “Leave No Trace”.
ROTF the whole time! Think reduced maximum is a good strategy for time when maximum speed is not required and a slider would be even nicer. Terrific to be able to do a rocket fast charge if in a hurry as you mentioned. We have road tripped the etron 55 SUV and usually need more than a few minutes for "grab & go" and restroom. Our fat thirsty etron is usually done charging before we have completed our trip inside. Point being most of the time super fast charging is not required. The range on this vehicle is just about right for most folks road tripping.
I like the option of doing it both ways. Like you said, there are times where you want as much as you can get and as fast as you can get it. There are other time where if it is a bit slower that's OK too.
Thanks Kyle for the pointer to the setting. I had gotten the latest software update but forgot to look for where the setting was. I now checked it but I have done 17,800mi and 5.367MWh of DCFC and 1.034MWh of L2. A recent road trip of 495mi 90% freeway used 258mi avg range on 100%. I have a 2020 4S with 20” wheels picked up in November 2020, built in July. It’s a road trip dream.
I disliked insideevs taking the years old charge curve with the steep drop at 30 % for their reference taycan charging article - should be overhauled imho.
@@anthonyc8499 sorry I meant that my Mach E get from 10% to 80 % in about 42 minutes, while it takes my Tesla 3 just 30 minutes on the Tesla supercharger
@@irfanhusein1445 ah, thanks. Makes more sense now. I don't think they can hit 30 minutes to 80%. I think best case is between 35-37 minutes to 80% which is fine since Mach-E AWD ER goes farther than Model Y LR on a charge anyways.
This charging profile seems similar to my '19 Tesla MS Raven on a V3 charger at an optimum rate. The 0-50% seems very similar however the the taycan 50-100% seems to be approximately 25% higher KW rate than mine.
@@Milkastier @Christian Gutschik @Christian Gutschik Hey thanks for asking. I should have clarified in that once I get to my peak of 200kw/hr around upper20/lower30% the charging curve would look similar to this taycans in decreasing rate. It definitely doesn't hit 200 as soon as it charges which is the difference in time between 0-50% taycan 15 minutes and my 20 minutes. That info is from me testing as I'm writing, unfortunately it didn't even hit 200kw/hr, maxed out 175 but still hit 0-50% 20 minutes. I tried recording but the video isn't that great.
@@Wraggler87298 ah ok. :) Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit confused there haha. But it seems plaid goes from 0 to 50% in 15 Minutes so you could just buy that :D
IMO this "Battery friendly" charging profile is more useful to people who can't charge at home and need to top up their EVs like gas cars using fast chargers. For folks who can charge at home and use fast charging a few times a year on roadtrips, regular fast charging might not take that much of a toll on their battery. I'm not a battery expert though...
@@alexnutcasio936 There is tolerable level of temperatures. As long as they are maintained…charge away. That’s what the 4680 Cells are about from a physical build standpoint. It’s about reducing heat externally and from taking place at a higher rate through engineering.
@@garyclark6747 4680 not implemented yet. Perhaps soon in Fremont and later Texas. Regardless, frequent fast charging is not good for any battery., no matter the manufacturer.
That is really cool. A slider to adjust it would be great. It will be interesting to see which manufacterers do a better job of preserving the batteries in the long run. We know all of them are fudging the numbers on capacity, usable battery, so many variables! There are Tesla Model S with a rental co in NYC which several cars over 700k mi and a couple in Europe that are over 600k mi on the original.
Yes, the german who passed 1 million km had a batterychange at 200.000 km? And the «new» battery had passed 800.000 km. It still had 90% capacity left in the battery 👍
Congrats, no one that I know of has done this test before. 👍 Did you have less losses with the slower charging? Too bad you missed filming the battery temperature in parallel, maybe an idea for the next time...
I'm Tesla and Porsche fan. Still have 2 Porsches. But I've been running Porsches for 15 yrs now, and you are sorely mistaken if you think that they set-up things safely and have no problems... I'd much more trust Tesla with new technologies, especially because they still play "new kid on the block' game to please their customers. Porsche has had major issues with every single gen. of 911, and their taking ownership of these issues has varied... Good for engine fires of 991 GT3 and transmission on the GT4, not so good for 996/997 IMS and bore scoring, or Metzger engines plumbing issues that caused many crashes at tracks...
Oh man, you are so full with bullshit about Porsche! It's almost disgusting to read your irrelevant crap! Porsches "major issues with every single generation of 911" wasn't existent at all! What the fuck are you claiming, you clown?? The 991.1 GT3 "issue" from 2013: Porsche located the issue of the 3.8 liter flat six engine, which caused only TWO engine fires of the 991.1 GT3 generation (one in Switzerland and one in Italy), and Porsche immediately stopped selling the car, conceirning only 785 delivered GT3 customer cars at that time. All these 785 GT3 customers got a replacement car from Porsche until the issue was located and fixed, produced these new GT3 engines for the 785 customers and built it in these customer GT3s for free. And now the question: Where's the problem in your eyes, what Porsche did with this "issue"? What Porsche did at that time was lightyears ahead of any other sports car maker, which wouldn't have stopped customer deliveries after just two engine fires. Like we all know from Lamborghini or Ferrari, which wouldn't have done NOTHING in such a case. Porsche was amazing, because they communicated totally open the issue to the customers and the public at that time. Without bullshit and stupid lies. You are telling fucking bullshit, because this 991.1 GT3 engine issue actually was just a tiny problem, and which was solved by Porsche in just very short time. All the rest what you are claiming about "engine issues" of quite old Porsche 911 generations is so fucking OLD and irrelevant for today, because Porsche from today is a totally different company compared to Porsche from 25 years before. You are such an idiot, with telling quite boring, totally irrelevant and old stories from 25 years ago about Porsche "issues", just to show how "unreliable" Porsche Taycan batteries are today??? This is so stupid, you clown! Question: Are you really that DUMB or do you have a little vendetta with some Porsche dealers for idiotic reasons, which of course has absolutely nothing to do with Porsche Taycan battery technology in the year 2021, Mr. "Dimic"?? Fact is, that Porsche is the most reliable premium sports car brand today and has the biggest customer safisfaction rate of all premium carmakers here in Europe. These are FACTS! I don't know where you are living, but I do know that you are telling fucking irrelevant crap, which has NOTHING to do with Porsche Taycan battery reliability from today!
@@Porsche1969 I don't know Taycan's battery reliability. No one knows. But I wouldn't trust Porsche to be on my side if things go wrong outside warranty period...
@@zdimic @Porsche 1969 before anyone starts mudslinging, no one knows long term ( meaning years) how any of these advanced batteries will hold up. We do know from Porsche and Tesla ( so far) that frequent fast charging is NOT healthy for batteries. Realistically, how many of us with home chargers are also regularly “ fast charging” on road trips? Once a week, a month, a year? Battery charging speeds and longevity knowledge are still in their infancy. Talk to us in 10 years when there’s some track record and more data points. I do suspect that both Porsche and Tesla know there’s long term issues with frequent fast charging. Issues they may not want to face.
It’s a battery issue mate, not a Tesla or Porsche issue. Batteries in and of themselves , no matter the manufacturer, do not like high charge levels on a regular basis. Plus, Tesla allows you to adjust charge speeds as well.
The first 50% says it added 43 kWh in 14 minutes. The second 50% says it added 47 kWh in 40 minutes . The official usable capacity is 83.7 kWh, so 50% would be ~42 kWh. I imagine the car/charger is just giving a rough estimate. Did you turn off the climate control and ventilated seats that you had on before you started the charge? ;) The first 50% took 14 minutes adding 1 kWh extra could be accounted for by HVAC and slight charging losses. The second 50% took 40 minutes, adding 5 kWh extra could be accounted for by the HVAC running for 2.8x as long, plus higher charging losses. So yeah... 83.7 kWh usable still seems like it may be right.
Kyle, I truly believe most of these EV makers with the exception of Tesla leave huge buffers in their battery so when it’s time for the warranty to come in to place they will lose much less capacity with such a big buffer and won’t have to replace a bunch of batteries in 10 years like Tesla may have to for warranties. Even 1% needing battery replacements under warranty would hurt
It's hard to say whether ANY BEVs will get close to their warranty degradation over the warranty period / mileage unless something has seriously gone wrong in the pack with cells or wiring completely failing. Frankly, there just aren't that many EVs out there that have hit the 8 year mark yet. A lot of early model S's had battery replacements. The oldest model 3 on the road is only a little over 4 years old.
@@updlate4756 Exactly my point with millions of vehicles out there they’re not sure what’s going to happen but if some go bad they don’t want to go under
At 95% it gets all the way down super super low to where a Chevy bolt could charge add as fast as possible situation. Before it burst into flames of course
First, lets debunk some misteries with simple math. By doubling the voltage of a 100 kwh battery to 800V, and being rstricted to 400 Amps/h in current intensity, you can unlock charging currents to 3.2C but it seems impractical as manufacturers restrict it to a peak of 2.5C (at 250 kwh). A 100 kwh 400 V battery if charged at 250 kwh would be receiving 2.5C = 500 Ah but that would be impractical as it exceeds the 400 Ah charger restriction. So the charging curve of the Porshe is expected to be above Tesla's. What we can't see is the discharge curve when max power is applied to the motor.
How so? He paid $27.59 for approx 200 miles range. If we assume premium at $4.00 a gallon approx and rounding, he purchased 7 gallons of gas for $28.00 ( rounding of course). 200/7 is 28.57 mpg. I’d say that’s a win for electric over gas because a comparable car in size and performance is probably in the high teens on mpg ( think Panamera S for example). Note that the .32 cents per kWh is way on the high side of charge cost. Close to .20-.25 cents per kWh is probably more average. The only advantage of gas v. Electric was fuel-up time v. 30 minutes. I guess we can ask, what’s your time worth then?
@@alexnutcasio936 Not saying that it is bad, just had assumption that going electric saves you gas money. And this looks around equal if you are a person who cannot charge home
@@michalbais9228 Its not equal because EA has very HIGH prices per kw of charging. Tesla, depending on location charges about .20-24 cents per kwh, so its about 1/3 less than EA. ONe can charge at home for about 1 -10cents per Kwh depending on state, much more in Hawaii and CA. I pay .05 cents per Kwh if I charge overnight when demand is lowest.
Blasting through batteries is completely unsustainable. How we approach transportation must change and that includes how we price transportation. We must include the costs of the resources extracted for components of vehicles and recycling of all components at the end of their lives. We cannot afford as a planet or species to have battery degradation just for convenience.
Uff, this is so wrong. Batteries can be recyled. Don't worry about planets and species but start thinking. Solar energy is endless and resources do not vanish during use.
@@sdandersonjr5 why? That doesn’t mean it was nerfed however. IIRC, they did it for battery longevity as they did all Model S at that time. We all know that often fast charging is not good for battery longevity. Porsche is just learning this now.
@@alexnutcasio936 hello from Germany! We pay about €1.70 per liter at the moment (which is pretty much, even for our standards). That is about $6.40 a gallon. According to my calculations I pay €37 or $43 for 322 km or 200 miles (and I am not driving a Porsche…) $28 are about €24 so I would save 35% of my money…
@@marcmech1 any way you do the numbers, electric is going to be less expensive than gas and better for the environment too. Yes, electric pollutes upstream with electric generation, but not near as much as fuel from ground to tank. $6.40 a gallon is brutal. We're about 1/2 that right now.
Wow, what commotion, to fill a car. 53 minutes? The flow rate in Canada for a gas pump is 38 Litres per minute. So a Panamera has 80 litre fuel tank. 3 minutes I'm done. Time is money. I think I'll stick to my ice machine, until I have no choice. Cheers from Toronto
I'm guessing you don't fully get the picture here -- at home you never have to fill up ever again. Every day you have a 'full tank' and never have to stop at a station (total round trip journey time is saved). This is for roadtrips only -- and by example you can Drive SF to LA with one stop at Harris ranch for 20 min, the time it takes to get a sandwich and use the bathroom, then be ready to drive the entire rest of the way.
@@chris8535 I do. I live in a condo downtown. I drive to my Lake home every weekend. 230 km each way. I am not against electric cars. For city living, they are great but they are not inexpensive. If they are price and time competitive fine. I would prefer the Nio or Geely option, with battery swap.
Hoping to hear from some battery chemistry experts. What are your thoughts of this new optional lower power charging profile? And from all of you, would you leave your Taycan in this setting if you owned one?
What was the battery temperature after the charging session?
Not a battery expert but I have learned enough from Apples charging scheme to Porsches and know lithium is best treated kindly in it’s normal operating range of temperature and if it goes beyond that; it’s not that the charging hurts it but the temperature starts to degrade it. I would set it just like you suggested in the battery saving mode until I needed it otherwise and beyond that I would probably charge it more at home then I would be on the road, but that’s more of a used case than anything else. Tesla does a fantastic job for getting each individual cell cooled but is there anyone else that’s doing as good a job with their batteries? It looks like Porsche may be among the best.
@@garyclark6747 Porsche has a much different battery structure. Fact is, and from having owned three Tesla’s, frequent fast, aka high temperature , charging is not optimum for any battery. If the manufacturers could better manage heat , then fast charging in the future could be safe and efficient. 350 kw charging is not currently suitable for motor vehicle charging, so all of these claims about “ my car charges faster than your car” is nonsense. Sounds as if Porsche recognizes this and has dialed back their charge claims for ad ertising and customers. Frankly, most owners charge at home so it’s typically more an issue “ on the road.”
Kyle, you should interview Sandy Munro about batteries and EVs...
Ask him
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The time it took for this Porsche to charge from 0-100% in battery saving mode is the same amount of time for us to charge our Bolt EV from 30-80% lol!
Yes a bolt was my prior EV to the Taycan. The Bolt is a great car for 200 mi journeys in and infrequent longer trips. I took it in a 1000mi road trip with family. A bit painful on charging stops, but worked great at Joshua Tree National Park. I especially appreciate having an EV in parks. Feels even more like a Boy Scout goal of “Leave No Trace”.
what a bad ass car.. Wish I had the $$ to get one of these.
Great test Kyle. Thanks for taking the time to do this video.
ROTF the whole time! Think reduced maximum is a good strategy for time when maximum speed is not required and a slider would be even nicer. Terrific to be able to do a rocket fast charge if in a hurry as you mentioned. We have road tripped the etron 55 SUV and usually need more than a few minutes for "grab & go" and restroom. Our fat thirsty etron is usually done charging before we have completed our trip inside. Point being most of the time super fast charging is not required. The range on this vehicle is just about right for most folks road tripping.
I like the option of doing it both ways. Like you said, there are times where you want as much as you can get and as fast as you can get it. There are other time where if it is a bit slower that's OK too.
I suppose if you were really concerned, you could just use the150kW chargers instead of the higher powered units.
Thanks Kyle for the pointer to the setting. I had gotten the latest software update but forgot to look for where the setting was. I now checked it but I have done 17,800mi and 5.367MWh of DCFC and 1.034MWh of L2. A recent road trip of 495mi 90% freeway used 258mi avg range on 100%. I have a 2020 4S with 20” wheels picked up in November 2020, built in July.
It’s a road trip dream.
Hope somebody on insideEV makes a charge curve comparison with the unrestricted curve.
I disliked insideevs taking the years old charge curve with the steep drop at 30 % for their reference taycan charging article - should be overhauled imho.
This is still very fast charging. I would love it if my Mach E charged from 10 to 80% in 30 minutes instead of 42% currently.
You can only get to 42% in 30 minutes?
@@anthonyc8499 sorry I meant that my Mach E get from 10% to 80 % in about 42 minutes, while it takes my Tesla 3 just 30 minutes on the Tesla supercharger
@@irfanhusein1445 ah, thanks. Makes more sense now. I don't think they can hit 30 minutes to 80%. I think best case is between 35-37 minutes to 80% which is fine since Mach-E AWD ER goes farther than Model Y LR on a charge anyways.
This charging profile seems similar to my '19 Tesla MS Raven on a V3 charger at an optimum rate. The 0-50% seems very similar however the the taycan 50-100% seems to be approximately 25% higher KW rate than mine.
Can you show a video of that? In Bjorns vids the Raven took 18-20 minutes from 10-50%. The Taycan took 12 Minutes for that in this test here.
@@Milkastier @Christian Gutschik @Christian Gutschik Hey thanks for asking. I should have clarified in that once I get to my peak of 200kw/hr around upper20/lower30% the charging curve would look similar to this taycans in decreasing rate. It definitely doesn't hit 200 as soon as it charges which is the difference in time between 0-50% taycan 15 minutes and my 20 minutes. That info is from me testing as I'm writing, unfortunately it didn't even hit 200kw/hr, maxed out 175 but still hit 0-50% 20 minutes. I tried recording but the video isn't that great.
@@Wraggler87298 ah ok. :) Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit confused there haha. But it seems plaid goes from 0 to 50% in 15 Minutes so you could just buy that :D
Great review Kyle. Really looking forward to your review of the Ioniq 5.
Wow now this is impressive..
IMO this "Battery friendly" charging profile is more useful to people who can't charge at home and need to top up their EVs like gas cars using fast chargers. For folks who can charge at home and use fast charging a few times a year on roadtrips, regular fast charging might not take that much of a toll on their battery. I'm not a battery expert though...
Wow only 6 USD for a fully charge, that’s amazing!!
In Germany and many countries in Europe you would pay for 90kw around 35-40 USD
Heat is Lithium’s enemy. Regulating heat is a must. 💯
And fast charging creates heat, therefore logic dictates that fast charging is lithium battery enemy.
@@alexnutcasio936 There is tolerable level of temperatures. As long as they are maintained…charge away. That’s what the 4680 Cells are about from a physical build standpoint. It’s about reducing heat externally and from taking place at a higher rate through engineering.
@@garyclark6747 4680 not implemented yet. Perhaps soon in Fremont and later Texas. Regardless, frequent fast charging is not good for any battery., no matter the manufacturer.
Those dots called "little hamburger"? I never knew that lol, thanks!
That is really cool. A slider to adjust it would be great. It will be interesting to see which manufacterers do a better job of preserving the batteries in the long run. We know all of them are fudging the numbers on capacity, usable battery, so many variables! There are Tesla Model S with a rental co in NYC which several cars over 700k mi and a couple in Europe that are over 600k mi on the original.
Generally will have 2 batteries and a motor by that mileage.
Yes, the german who passed 1 million km had a batterychange at 200.000 km? And the «new» battery had passed 800.000 km. It still had 90% capacity left in the battery 👍
I've noticed owners using the 150kw stations over the 350s for this reason.
When I’m road tripping I look for 50kw chargers to give me a break. 🤣😂
Congrats, no one that I know of has done this test before. 👍
Did you have less losses with the slower charging?
Too bad you missed filming the battery temperature in parallel, maybe an idea for the next time...
I'm Tesla and Porsche fan. Still have 2 Porsches. But I've been running Porsches for 15 yrs now, and you are sorely mistaken if you think that they set-up things safely and have no problems... I'd much more trust Tesla with new technologies, especially because they still play "new kid on the block' game to please their customers. Porsche has had major issues with every single gen. of 911, and their taking ownership of these issues has varied... Good for engine fires of 991 GT3 and transmission on the GT4, not so good for 996/997 IMS and bore scoring, or Metzger engines plumbing issues that caused many crashes at tracks...
Oh man, you are so full with bullshit about Porsche! It's almost disgusting to read your irrelevant crap!
Porsches "major issues with every single generation of 911" wasn't existent at all! What the fuck are you claiming, you clown??
The 991.1 GT3 "issue" from 2013:
Porsche located the issue of the 3.8 liter flat six engine, which caused only TWO engine fires of the 991.1 GT3 generation (one in Switzerland and one in Italy), and Porsche immediately stopped selling the car, conceirning only 785 delivered GT3 customer cars at that time. All these 785 GT3 customers got a replacement car from Porsche until the issue was located and fixed, produced these new GT3 engines for the 785 customers and built it in these customer GT3s for free.
And now the question: Where's the problem in your eyes, what Porsche did with this "issue"?
What Porsche did at that time was lightyears ahead of any other sports car maker, which wouldn't have stopped customer deliveries after just two engine fires. Like we all know from Lamborghini or Ferrari, which wouldn't have done NOTHING in such a case.
Porsche was amazing, because they communicated totally open the issue to the customers and the public at that time. Without bullshit and stupid lies.
You are telling fucking bullshit, because this 991.1 GT3 engine issue actually was just a tiny problem, and which was solved by Porsche in just very short time.
All the rest what you are claiming about "engine issues" of quite old Porsche 911 generations is so fucking OLD and irrelevant for today, because Porsche from today is a totally different company compared to Porsche from 25 years before.
You are such an idiot, with telling quite boring, totally irrelevant and old stories from 25 years ago about Porsche "issues", just to show how "unreliable" Porsche Taycan batteries are today??? This is so stupid, you clown!
Question: Are you really that DUMB or do you have a little vendetta with some Porsche dealers for idiotic reasons, which of course has absolutely nothing to do with Porsche Taycan battery technology in the year 2021, Mr. "Dimic"??
Fact is, that Porsche is the most reliable premium sports car brand today and has the biggest customer safisfaction rate of all premium carmakers here in Europe. These are FACTS!
I don't know where you are living, but I do know that you are telling fucking irrelevant crap, which has NOTHING to do with Porsche Taycan battery reliability from today!
@@Porsche1969 I've got over 100 track days on various Porsches. But sure, you know better...
@@Porsche1969 And even a real name. How about you, brave troll?
@@Porsche1969 I don't know Taycan's battery reliability. No one knows. But I wouldn't trust Porsche to be on my side if things go wrong outside warranty period...
@@zdimic @Porsche 1969 before anyone starts mudslinging, no one knows long term ( meaning years) how any of these advanced batteries will hold up. We do know from Porsche and Tesla ( so far) that frequent fast charging is NOT healthy for batteries. Realistically, how many of us with home chargers are also regularly “ fast charging” on road trips? Once a week, a month, a year? Battery charging speeds and longevity knowledge are still in their infancy. Talk to us in 10 years when there’s some track record and more data points. I do suspect that both Porsche and Tesla know there’s long term issues with frequent fast charging. Issues they may not want to face.
Almost so quick as my Tesla M3 SR+ which needs 25 Minutes to 80% 😜 But Porsche is fast over 80% !!
I wonder what it would cost to replace the battery in a Taycan? Apparently it's about $30k to replace an engine in a GT3. Perhaps similar.
Seems like the people that are most “concerned” about DC fast charging at high average kW, and at high SOC, are Tesla fanboys.
It’s a battery issue mate, not a Tesla or Porsche issue. Batteries in and of themselves , no matter the manufacturer, do not like high charge levels on a regular basis. Plus, Tesla allows you to adjust charge speeds as well.
I think it’s time to graph those charging curves my guy. So it’s easier to compare. You have all the data
Why is the buffer on the Taycan/Audi GT so large?
The first 50% says it added 43 kWh in 14 minutes. The second 50% says it added 47 kWh in 40 minutes . The official usable capacity is 83.7 kWh, so 50% would be ~42 kWh. I imagine the car/charger is just giving a rough estimate.
Did you turn off the climate control and ventilated seats that you had on before you started the charge? ;) The first 50% took 14 minutes adding 1 kWh extra could be accounted for by HVAC and slight charging losses. The second 50% took 40 minutes, adding 5 kWh extra could be accounted for by the HVAC running for 2.8x as long, plus higher charging losses.
So yeah... 83.7 kWh usable still seems like it may be right.
Kyle, I truly believe most of these EV makers with the exception of Tesla leave huge buffers in their battery so when it’s time for the warranty to come in to place they will lose much less capacity with such a big buffer and won’t have to replace a bunch of batteries in 10 years like Tesla may have to for warranties. Even 1% needing battery replacements under warranty would hurt
The Only ones that actually have crippled customers cars areTesla though
@@EVPaddy say more
It's hard to say whether ANY BEVs will get close to their warranty degradation over the warranty period / mileage unless something has seriously gone wrong in the pack with cells or wiring completely failing. Frankly, there just aren't that many EVs out there that have hit the 8 year mark yet. A lot of early model S's had battery replacements. The oldest model 3 on the road is only a little over 4 years old.
@@updlate4756 Exactly my point with millions of vehicles out there they’re not sure what’s going to happen but if some go bad they don’t want to go under
@@John-209 he can’t say more because he doesn’t know.
At 95% it gets all the way down super super low to where a Chevy bolt could charge add as fast as possible situation.
Before it burst into flames of course
First, lets debunk some misteries with simple math. By doubling the voltage of a 100 kwh battery to 800V, and being rstricted to 400 Amps/h in current intensity, you can unlock charging currents to 3.2C but it seems impractical as manufacturers restrict it to a peak of 2.5C (at 250 kwh). A 100 kwh 400 V battery if charged at 250 kwh would be receiving 2.5C = 500 Ah but that would be impractical as it exceeds the 400 Ah charger restriction. So the charging curve of the Porshe is expected to be above Tesla's. What we can't see is the discharge curve when max power is applied to the motor.
It is kW*h (shortened as kWh), not kW/h for capacity.
Charger has 500A with liquid cooled cable.
Charging cost without a discount seems around the same as gas price? Maybe this industry is still new, but would expect less
How so? He paid $27.59 for approx 200 miles range. If we assume premium at $4.00 a gallon approx and rounding, he purchased 7 gallons of gas for $28.00 ( rounding of course). 200/7 is 28.57 mpg. I’d say that’s a win for electric over gas because a comparable car in size and performance is probably in the high teens on mpg ( think Panamera S for example). Note that the .32 cents per kWh is way on the high side of charge cost. Close to .20-.25 cents per kWh is probably more average. The only advantage of gas v. Electric was fuel-up time v. 30 minutes. I guess we can ask, what’s your time worth then?
@@alexnutcasio936 Not saying that it is bad, just had assumption that going electric saves you gas money. And this looks around equal if you are a person who cannot charge home
@@michalbais9228 Its not equal because EA has very HIGH prices per kw of charging. Tesla, depending on location charges about .20-24 cents per kwh, so its about 1/3 less than EA. ONe can charge at home for about 1 -10cents per Kwh depending on state, much more in Hawaii and CA. I pay .05 cents per Kwh if I charge overnight when demand is lowest.
I thought you were Shmeeeeee 😲
Man I hate that big "slit" at the very front of the front doors, what an annoying design feature. It looks like something is broken.
Just a vent for the wheel house.
Blasting through batteries is completely unsustainable. How we approach transportation must change and that includes how we price transportation. We must include the costs of the resources extracted for components of vehicles and recycling of all components at the end of their lives.
We cannot afford as a planet or species to have battery degradation just for convenience.
Uff, this is so wrong. Batteries can be recyled. Don't worry about planets and species but start thinking. Solar energy is endless and resources do not vanish during use.
Can anyone tell me what is the Color of this taycan?
still think a 100mile real world recharge from 10% charge should be the standard.
Just like when tesla nerfed my 2014 MS85. Ho-hum...
Except that this is an owner-controlled option. You still have access to the faster charging by default.
You nerfed or Tesla did? How was your battery nerfed?
@@alexnutcasio936 Tesla slowed the charging rate.
@@sdandersonjr5 why? That doesn’t mean it was nerfed however. IIRC, they did it for battery longevity as they did all Model S at that time. We all know that often fast charging is not good for battery longevity. Porsche is just learning this now.
@@alexnutcasio936 To avoid warranty replacement.
I hope this is not someone’s personal car coz the warranty is being reduced to minimum as the battery went lower than 20%
30 minutes of charging is over 21 bucks. that sucks!!
95% of the time you will be charging at home for pennies. Had an EV for two years and have never used a public charger yet.
30 min of charging is free, though.
When you factor in the cost of installation
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Much cheaper than gas…
Not much if we assume premium 93 octane at 4.00 a gallon. 200 miles for $28 bucks is about 28 mpg electric . (7 gallons of Gas to go same distance.)..
@@alexnutcasio936 hello from Germany! We pay about €1.70 per liter at the moment (which is pretty much, even for our standards). That is about $6.40 a gallon. According to my calculations I pay €37 or $43 for 322 km or 200 miles (and I am not driving a Porsche…) $28 are about €24 so I would save 35% of my money…
@@marcmech1 any way you do the numbers, electric is going to be less expensive than gas and better for the environment too. Yes, electric pollutes upstream with electric generation, but not near as much as fuel from ground to tank. $6.40 a gallon is brutal. We're about 1/2 that right now.
For 15min I can fill my tank get a water and Starburst and be on my way
stop this pointless test - its not realistic and saps the battery's longevity - its DUMB
Wow, what commotion,
to fill a car. 53 minutes? The flow rate in Canada for a gas pump is 38 Litres per minute. So a Panamera has 80 litre fuel tank. 3 minutes I'm done. Time is money. I think I'll stick to my ice machine,
until I have no choice.
Cheers from Toronto
I'm guessing you don't fully get the picture here -- at home you never have to fill up ever again. Every day you have a 'full tank' and never have to stop at a station (total round trip journey time is saved). This is for roadtrips only -- and by example you can Drive SF to LA with one stop at Harris ranch for 20 min, the time it takes to get a sandwich and use the bathroom, then be ready to drive the entire rest of the way.
@@chris8535 I do.
I live in a condo downtown. I drive to my Lake home every weekend. 230 km each way. I am not against electric cars. For city living, they are great but they are not inexpensive. If they are price and time competitive fine. I would prefer the Nio or Geely option, with battery swap.
@@guenthermichaels5303 Sure I mean, this is a near-exotic sports car with every day practicality. Not really in the market for Geelys here.
@@guenthermichaels5303 lol, Nio is expensive and where can you buy a Geely?
@@thelastofthehitachi972 in China.