Vehicle-To-Grid | Fully Charged Live 2018 Talk 12
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- How can car, home and grid work together?
Robert Llewellyn finds out in a fascinating panel discussion from Fully Charged Live 2018
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Thanks again for another very informative talk. Keep up the excellent work. I hope you make many more.
All these talks I keep thinking I'm on the red channel 😂 love all this info!
, it all almost 4 years old but still quite relevant. Lismore NSW Australia.
they mention they had an instructional video on their stand about v2g, is that video on youtube?
It was interesting to hear Nissan talking about their big plans for vehicle to grid.
As one who has been holding on since April, for their project to come to market. Now it has arrived through their agents they are only offering solar PV and battery! Nothing else - not even a car charger!!! This is hardly the 'connected' project which was promised!
I hope this trial program gets its own video or a future review at say, #FullyChargedLive2019.
I like to view V2G as being something useful at anywhere where there are many car meetups, by this I mean where many cars are parked in one place. For example, at a football stadium, the local home fans can bring some locally produced juice with them that they produced from solar power that they can sell back to the grid which is charging the away fans cars that they need the juice during the afternoon to charge their vehicle to get home. Similarly, when the fans go to an away game, they depend on the other fans juice being available. People might argue this would affect the traditional business of service stations but people still have to stop on long journeys and use facilities and can buy food and service stations make a lot of their profit from food and other items, in comparison to fuel profit.
From the sound of the conversation the implication is that my Zoe will never be compatible with V2G, is this correct?
what automakers are v2g enabled so far? just Nissan? has Tesla talked about it, or would that undercut Powerwall too much?
Is it possible to charge one car battery ie when u get stuck on the road with the battery of another car - similar to when u jump start someone back in the days ?
The only car I know of that can do this now is the Sono motors car being developed in Munich, Germany
I believe BYD plans to do this too?
16:03 hopefully in the future there will be virtual charging platforms and you can "plug-and-play" from anywhere.
V2G is going to work great with renewables.
Could this be the solution to the renewable energy storage economy problem? Or would it take more?
V2G ~ It's my next step in an overall energy management system for our home.
One thing that vehicle to the grid (and EVs generally) really highlights is just how much energy we use to cart our lazy arses about. Better we do it without fossil fuels if we're going to continue using cars (or ride a bicycle for all those short trips...)
So presumably, to take things to a logical conclusion, when we have enough battery capacity to supply the peaks and absorb any excess, there will be one flat rate electricity tariff?
The symbiosis of the People's Demand, coupled w/the quasi Political/Corporate Support must coalesce at some critical mass threshold. EV Cars will begin driving this Transport/Home & Grid technology system I believe.
To be honest, barring some major catastrophe, I reckon it's already in the bag now.
The worms are out of the tin and are never going back in.
Pretty nearly all car manufacturers have got EVs or EVs in development.
After customers experience an EV, they're just not going to want to go back to paying for more expensive fuel from a less reliable machine that needs way more maintenance. So their next car is also very likely going to be an EV, if they can help it.
Once they spot that their neighbour is actually literally paying no fuel costs at all to commute to work and back, because they've sorted out solar panels and a Tesla battery on their garage, they'll want to investigate that possibility too. Because who wouldn't be interested in paying nothing in fuel?
(Obviously, not everyone has a garage but those who do can do this, and it'll drive demand for charging points at work and charging points in car parks and such.)
Once this is happening for EVs on the garage, some folks will naturally start thinking that, actually, they can also do something similar - solar panels and a battery - on their house too, and gain savings on their electricity bills. That's one of the biggest bills pay have to pay so, again, everyone's going to be interested in that possibility.
And so on.
It's all falling into place and there's a natural progression of self-interest here. It seems like it's nothing but a matter of time.
I may be wrong, of course. But I was once that lone voice talking about this stuff many years - decades - ago, and, to me, this feels like the start of the ramp up on the "growth ogive" (which is how all new technologies grow and eventually take over). The rapid acceleration is starting to happen.
Whats a vechicle?
pity, i cant get a Nissan Leaf in Australia let alone use this amazing technology..
The EV channels should start some kind of phone charging challege hashtag where you hold the phone charger to the phone for the whole time it is charging. Basically a way of saying we don't charge phone like this, nor cars.
David Goodwin That could be a funny commercial. Needs to be on Fox News.
That is a very good idea. Thanks. Working on something along those lines.
Cheeky zappi mention :P
Please correct the spelling on the video title :)
Daniel Sangermano maybe they didn’t want this one ever found later?
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Eclectic vegical 😊
Thank you for mentioning it. Corrected.
Spelling has been corrected - please delete your comment - it is redundant.
I would love to see ‘Fully Charged’ do some vids of natural and low tech solutions to energy generation, storage etc. Such as the 2 batteries I’ve left links to in my last comment here, also Compressed Air Vehicles( CAV) like TATA’s ‘Airpod’ due for manufacture in or by 2020. Or Fords new ‘Model T’ ( also Peugeot/Citroen and Honda are investing in their own prototypes, Peugeot have built a CA Hybrid) , CAV that uses an extremely efficient Rotary engine design!. Or is ‘Fully Charged’ beholden to Electricity companies or EV companies? If not there’s no reason why you can’t make a couple vids about low tech solutions to transport etc, out of many many the vids you produce!.
Wtf? Ok. Ok. How about a vid about going back to horse and cart? How's that??? Runs on carbo-neutral grass. How great is that?
If the average driven per day is around forty miles and the average car is capable of 150 miles. That's a lot of power for your house. I use 10KWH per day on average to power my house. The new Kona would power my house for six days.
CCS v ChaDeMo is an interesting discussion which I feel was gravely trivialised here (sorry Robert, I think you are doing a tremendous job but perhaps not on this occasion).
Why can’t the batteries be standardised and swapped in ‘petrol stations’ for a fully charged one? It could be a mechanised process Which would take minutes and the stockpile of charging batteries could act as a mini power station smoothing out the peaks when demand is high.
Simon67316 Tesla provided exactly that but found that people did not want to do it. The process was actually quicker than filling up with petrol. Perhaps people felt attached to their own battery. Or perhaps the only time one charges on the road is after a long journey when you need to take a break for food etc anyway.
battery degradation - similar to range anxiety, there's an initial fear of not wanting to swap from a 20k miles battery you own to someone else's 150k miles battery in the middle of the roadside (& then finding out you can't get your original battery back because it's now halfway across the country in someone's commute vehicle, who just happened to swap to it during a once-in-a-decade road trip). Easy problem to systemically avoid, but a level of customer FUD that's hard to overcome.
I'm not sure that using your car to store electricity is the most efficient use of power. In my experience with our Leaf, there is a 20% loss in charging. I imagine there were also be a loss on moving the power back to the house.
And???
Fully Charged did a show where the hydro station in Wales pumped water back up to the reservoir in non peak times to generate power during peak hours. That's an even higher storage loss I would imagine.
When they said cars in Japan are broken at six years old that is a heck of a waste of energy. If production of an EV is currently more energy intensive than making an ICE car and the energy equation only goes in favour of an EV after several years this seems to totally defeat the object. Reusing the battery may mitigate this to a degree but it still seems a bit mad.
Robert Smith iirc Japan is pushing hydrogen fuel cells a lot, a move to undercut bev may be playing in to that as well
There's a few caveats:
- Energy cost for manufacturing EVs can only get better going forward, whereas for petro it can only get worse.
- The energy used in manufacturing cars is typically a lot cleaner than the gasoline/diesel burned in an ICE.
- More of the core components used in EVs are recyclable, not to mention the battery.
- The size of a car tends to determine the energy cost. So something like a Nissan Leaf is still leaps and bounds better than, say, a pickup truck.
I think what really needs to happen is for cars to become smaller and to be shared more. As much as I don't necessarily like automation, driverless vehicles would both allow cars to be smaller (because they're less prone to crashing) as well as provide taxi services that ensure that cars are used much more consistently. There's also the added benefit of smaller roads, denser cities due to fewer parking lots, fewer traffic lights etc., which would also reduce energy consumption.
I miss such a lot realistic questions and answers. I need for my house lot of more as 6 kW a day. I have now no oil heating anymore. Replaced it with heat pump and pv on the roof. But what i do in the winter? Here i need much more energy and the sun is not shining. And powerwalls are no solution for this problem. If you are not a millionar and you have to calculate costs, there is no solution around. And grids will have a similar problem as the little house unit in winter time.
And seriously, i never want to share my EV. Living on the country i never know when i need my car suddently.
6kW not 6kWh ie it can draw 6kW off the battery and the battery is 24, 30 or 40kWhs. The system will let you set the % of power you need to keep in the battery and what time you need it full.
Prom Prometheus It‘s difficult to be completely autark. Of course you need grid power to run your heat pump during winter. The grid will have to rely heavily on wind power during winters. In case of an emergency, e.g. blackout, you should have a fire place as backup.
Yes, i have a fire place and some wood every winter, also be selfish and make a place very hot, if body want it :)
Bit of a shame that RL couldn't get the question of battery degradation with V2G /V2H put to bed by the panel. Despite his efforts they just appeared to avoid it or pussyfoot out and move on both times. Net result is the big question didn't get even slightly debunked definitively. Probably left me thinking RL just wanted to believe battery life wasn't affected when perhaps the experts know otherwise deep down.
VtG is common sense - why have a x0kWh battery sitting outside doing little as they say - and then another sat in the house which is only used for the house - it's like not being able to use normal petrol in a petrol lawnmower. The UK FiT is overly complex - self-consumption and net metering would have made more sense - why only pay 1/3 of a unit for export. Make it simple as they say!
Using EV batteries for grid backup is not a good idea cos EV batteries are compact and can store lots of energy, but they don’t like being charged and discharged too much, so your EV batteries will have their life vastly shortened. Whereas domestic energy storage systems are MUCH better suited for the purpose of grid backup or stabilisation. See links below!
Hit Reset Button instead of being insulting( which I don’t usually entertain) why not give me a break down point by point of what you think is wrong about my comment?
Here’s a great alternative Deep Cycle Salt water battery that can keep being charged and re charged more many times than a Lithium Ion battery, that can stand in a corner not taking up much space andcomposed of natural non hazardous substances, so can be disposed of easily after its lifetime of use. It would save your car battery which are much more expensive, also it would save the expensive batteries on your car from lots of cycles that it would drastically shorten its life of your cars battery!. ua-cam.com/video/1EhnmWo2CZ8/v-deo.html
A bit tragic that a representative from an energy provider doesn't know the difference between a power shower and an electric shower.
some power showers have an electric pump to boost the shower, so may be not such a daft comment.
paul j Power showers are pumped, but do not generate heat. They are relatively low power devices of a couple of hundred watts.
Electric showers heat their own water and can be 8 - 12kW. Some may also incorporate a pump.
Even at 12kW, due to the laws of physics, a 12kW electric shower is piss poor for washing anyway.
It was a daft comment. Or perhaps he mispoke. Either way - he was wrong.
Do all electrical devices not generate some heat? Energy providers don't sell power showers.
Tesla. Please compete with Nissan and develop vehicle to Home and grid functionality. Why are you lagging in this important aspect of saving the world?
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If only Nissan would ditch that hideous Frankenplug that is CHAdeMO and adopt CCS. And you too, Tesla.
Paul Martin if only other automakers would consider buying into the supercharger network like Tesla has often publicly offered
crafty_geek While working on behalf of a couple of medium size automakers in the UK it became clear that Tesla have no intention to offer this.
@@mikeschooling8346 How hard would it be for Tesla to offer CCS connections and sell power to the unwashed..
A little research would tell you that CCS is not bi-directional, so you are unable to do V2G with this system. It probably will come later.
So long nissan has no tms, i never would give a nissan in a grid.
And sorry, chademo i try to avoid, because in europe ccs is the standard, and all now comming ultra chargers mostly have only ccs.
If the grid is crashing .... black time begins ...
KIA also changed now to ccs (Niro ev) and hyundai have ccs, renault zoe will have soon, jaguar, all comming german evs, tesla, and so on ...
This new grid is fine to make money for new companies, but this companies not pay your photo voltaic, your powerwall, your EV. They will make money with your investments, be not cracy.
6kWh isn't going to cause massive heating. Rapid/Fast chargers run at 50kWh+ so your talking almost 10x more power and so 10x as much heat. Nissan use Chademo so of course, they are going to use their own system. KIA etc will need to develop there own system for CCS (After CCS sort out their standard)
I am not going to slander the current POTUS, since his predecessor did little except talk the talk. And don't Greenwash Europe. Germany is not leading the charge (pun intended). Living in Switzerland, the network is worse than last year, and the political and financial will is pushing for status quo. I think that for us to carry on, we might have to look at parcelling up the Eurpean Grid, since the economic factors will be a huge drag for any change.
This was a good lecture, keep trying to Wake the sheeple.
Can’t listen to Robert’s vocal pattern.