Maddie, believe me, the pleasure is all ours. To say you've brought a breath of fresh air, and a ray of sunshine, to Fully Charged is to understate the positive effect you have. The two regular dudes, though earnest in their endeavours, lack a certain pizzazz, and have faces even a mother would struggle to love.
Fully Charged at its best. Relevant, informative, entertaining, superbly produced as always, and busting with positive energy. Robert in his element! And Maddie is fantastic - a perfect addition to the team.
Martin well, she's s girl!! Most people (some of whom are probably men!) seem to be getting VERY excited about her!...... Not much interest in the batteries though...........?!
Very interesting well done team, something I've been considering for a while. The recycled batteries make a good deal of sense. Maddie makes a great addition to the presenting team.
Sthilboy56 isn’t that more expensive than a Tesla powerwall? And 7.5 kWh is about £1 of electricity so even assuming it can save its own capacity 365 days a year payback is over 20 years. Or am I missing something?
@@n111aow It might be a quid of regular priced power, but the whole point is to avoid the peak tariff. That way I'm sure you'll be able to save a lot more, and break even a lot quicker. However, you can do the same by applying a quality timer to your water heater and to your electric heaters around your house for lot less. I guess the best use for a battery like this is if you also have solar... or if the power company is willing to pay for your help to boost the grid every now and then.
Bård Haveland I don’t see how that helps - if you can only save a quid of regular cost electricity that’s a maximum and using a cheap tariff is going to save less than that. To beat the £1 a day you would need to save export of a quid’s worth every day and also transfer night time purchase to day / evening use but that seems a tall order. I would love to get batteries but they just look like an utter waste of money until prices come down a lot more.
Robert, I want to thank you for all these videos you put out. They always make me feel better about the future when I am normally scared and cynical. The mood and hope boost is immensely appreciated! Keep up the great work :)
To see this channel growing the way it is...I'm not a father but it's like watching your boy grow up from a boy to a polished and poised young man. Excellent content as always, fantastic presenters, and camera work to which is of the highest standard. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to some more international developing nation content. Tech in those places really does change and save lives.
Love the new vibe and the freshness in the episode. Welcome Maddie to the fully charged family! Didn't know Fully charged could actually be more cheerful but I'm pleasantly surprised. Keep up the good work!
Bring on more of this style of interviews! With couple of different people to ask the questions! It gives such a fresh taste to all the video and even if it gets quite long, it still manages to remain entertainable! The change of interviewer is like a wake up call :)
Jeremy Schmidt watch again from 14:27 it is explained that there is a difference in the the way that the battery is used so the degradation would not be linear. How long, you won’t really know till there is enough out there for a decent period of time, but going by what is said I would expect that they would last longer because they would be under less strain than what they were when they were in the vehicle.
Battery lifetime is usually related to the number of charge/discharge cycles and to a certain extent the rate at which they are charged. So as they said the batteries are being charged and discharged slower than in a car, and probably only with one cycle per day, you'd expect the degradation to slow down. One unknown is that in a car the batteries will rarely be fully discharged (as much as the controller allows) whereas this could happen in a residential situation, and most battery types tend to degrade quicker the more time they spend at a lower charge level. So if your system is undersized and the batteries are drained quickly and left "flat" for some time before being recharged, it will likely degrade faster than getting an oversized system that never completely runs out of charge.
@David Cowdrey What he said. We, engineers, make sure the battery is taken care of, it will degrade much slower at home. More optimal temperature, slower charging/discharging, programming not allowing the battery to be under-charged... All good things.
chuffin eck... Fully charged.. With Smiles, welcome Maddie, and Great show Bobby, Nice to see there is a direct reusable path for Ev batteries in the UK, it is one of those things that gets mentioned but rarely explained, makes EV cars visibly greener and has settled more of the "issue" of the environmental impact that lithium mining/processing and recycling has. Thank you
Great show. This is an issue I've been following. About a year and a half, I had solar panels installed on my roof. I hope to upgrade my system with a battery bank at some point. I love the idea of the "second life" batteries and the fact that companies other than Tesla are getting into the act is very encouraging.
I was hoping for Helen to join but Maddie will do just fine as well! :-) The amount of smart people that appear on this show (guests and hosts of course) is just mind boggling! Any minute spent on this channel is minute well spent for me, thank you!
I will not be referring to Maddie as Maddie. I shall call her... A breath of fresh air. 😊 As always, a wonderful episode. I was checking the timeline wishing it would go for longer. Well done team and welcome ‘a breath of fresh air’.
16:33 should have been the video thumbnail! Great overview of the technology, and a really enjoyable inclusion of Maddie who brought a different energy to the show (pun maybe a little intended :))
I like videos like this, you know, the ones that aren't about cars all the time. I also think reuse of battery cells interesting and I like the fact that companies are starting to invest in battery re use and not just people re using cells on youtube. Is Maddie a new (cemi?) permanent member of the team? If so, hello! One question I would of had to ask though would be about cost of the recycled cells, compared to new cells, and how this would reflect the price to the end consumer.
I just don't see a new battery being cost effective in the second hand market, once all are near 300 mile range a 50% state will match the value of the shell and still be useful for people who have short commutes, even now most will just buy a "new" £2k car than spend that money on a new clutch.
@@PaulMansfield Let's say batteries have an arbitrary 10 year life in a vehicle. That life is relatively stressful. It reduces the performance of some cells by 20%. This makes the battery "marginal" for the stress of EV use. In comparison, static storage is a "battery spa". There's no reason that in the stress free environment, they could last at least 15 years.
Great video again but question to Renault... 75% is great if you own a 40 KW/h Zoe but If you have like me owned a Renault Twizy for just over 4 years with 30,000 miles on the clock. I have so far spent over 2736 GBP at around 57 GBP / monthly battery rental fee and fully charged 6 days of the week (sometime twice a day). My battery (13 KW /h) is still showing a life of 98% so congratulation on the quality of the battery. But for me it means the battery is likely to be well over 75% for a good let say 5, 6 years... I don't want to think of the cost of the battery rental after that time when it will have been well over the original cost of it! And with even 80% the range will have dramatically been reduced. I love my Twizy and despite the rental cost still cheaper for me than driving a petrol or diesel to my daily commute as public transport are none existence for me where I live. But it will be nice for Renault to tell their oldest customers this is the time to decide if we want to continue to rent the battery for peace of mind or you can have it at no cost. Currently you can give it back or buy it but it is way too expensive. You are basically trapped and tide up for the life of the vehicle. Shame really.
Great video! Loving the second life storage. My powerwall is 70kwh of usable power using lithium ion laptop batteries that I've stripped and rebuilt, this winter I'll be upgrading the wall to 100kwh. If you want some pics for future 2nd life storage videos, get in touch. Cheers, Glenn
Nail on the head - unfortunately the powers that be in the world make most supposedly simple stuff overly complicated (tax in the UK is a good example!)
I am sat here admiring the shiny new white Tesla sat in my garage - it can't go anywhere as it's bolted to the (power)wall :o) Being fortunate to have solar as well, and with the Sunny weather (you can't beat a Sunny September) there have been days when we have been entirely "off grid". However as others mention - I am concerned that private power companies will conjure up some way to negate any early adopter benefits. New power startups like Good Energy are the way to go for people who have become solar / battery early adopters. I have named my powerwall ALSET (did you see what I did there?!) Like Robert, I can suddenly find myself gazing at ALSET while purring softly with the occasional keening sound.
I'm not so sure about the power companies penalising people using batteries - because of how much it costs to balance the grid (match supply to demand) - if they can smooth out demand / you have a local battery to cover momentary spikes (such as turning on the kettle) then the savings would be massive. (numbers from a separate youtube vid I watched recently, so not sure of accuracy) The 'big battery' that Tesla built in Australia apparently costs ~$14k per MWH, and that's something like 7x cheaper than the power plant operators were charging to make the same supply adjustment. Given that the 'kettle spike' requires 2x adjustments, having a battery in every house would save them ~$28k (not sure in GBP) just from that one event... And lastly, it's not like you're not paying for that power anyway. Penalising people with solar is more likely (simply because that's generating your own power).
+Joe McMorrow, I do know what you mean, we had ours fitted in March (7 months ago), plus another 9 panels fitted to the North roof, with the result that we have had 184 days with the only mains use being 200 to 500 watts per day. (between 5 and 7 kWh per MONTH.) Only 35 days using the mains, and that vastly reduced. (When big things get turned on, there is a very small 'pull' from the mains while the battery / solar balance the load. Mostly 0.1 kWh in a days use). We also signed up to the Tide Tariff a while ago (ready for long winter nights and short dull days), but have seen no advantage yet as we have been on solar / powerwall for 5 months on the trot! The battery got down to 6% the day before yesterday, so I know our 'free' days are ending for this year :-(, but HEY! Half a year with out paying for power (and mostly free driving with the PHEV), count me WELL impressed. IMHO, anybody who has fitted Solar PV and does not fit a battery is nuts! AND wasting a large chunk of their investment.
Thanks for the detailed response and the Stats Con! As you are further along the road than me, could you suggest what energy provider might be best to look at, is there a blog or something - the comparison websites were useless!
+ Joe, Glad it is of use :-). One of the questions I wanted an answer to when ordering was how many days/months might be mains free. All installations will be different, but at least I can now tell people what has been possible in one case! I have kept records of our first 7 years solar readings, and it should be recognized that 2018 is a record breaking year for solar, so this mains free run may not be usual, but I live in hope. Time will tell. When I was looking for a new supplier I found it wise to search for 'Economy 7' and leave comparison sites alone as they do not cater for that market. I came down to OVO www.ovoenergy.com/economy-7?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5pK8hdnS2QIVSJMbCh2Q9Q37EAAYBCAAEgIyvPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds And Green Energy and the Tide Tariff. This article in the Guardian was helpful www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/03/green-energy-uk-launches-first-time-of-day-electricity-tariff Another customer of the Installer who fitted my Powerwall was very keen on GE and Tide, and my dealings with them have been OK, excepting a problem with the new meter. This has been fitted, but time ran out on the electrician (I live on the Isle of Wight, ferries rule our lives when most installers have to come over from the mainland, and they get a very full days work to justify the ferry trip), and it still needs linking into the installing companies network, before GE (or me) can talk to it. This is beyond GEs control, and they have chased up on it, but (as the electrician's Anglo-Saxon expressions about his tech support dept. said at the time) their support is lamentable. As every region has different peaks, the rates and time slots vary from one to another, but mine are 00:00 to 07:00 ==> 6.41p @ kWh Night Rate, 07:00 to 16:00 ==> 14.2p @ kWh, Standard Rate, (07:00 to 00:00 at Weekend), 16:00 to 20:00 ==> 30p @ kWh Peak Rate 20:00 to 00:00 ==> 14.2p @ kWh, Standard Rate. On the Tesla App you will find a menu marked "Customize". If you open that, there is an option to enable charging from the mains at the specific times you set. As I have yet to do this I can not advise further, but there are some things on U-Tube from folks who have, that should help. I hope this is of use, but my arm is being claimed by a cat, so I have to stop typing :-).
Great video about a brilliant product. Goodwin Electrical have been installing battery storage for several years. We are moving over to Powervault due to its performance, British based and best eco battery storage system on the market.
I have just had an 8.2KW Powervault battery installed with EDF Energy. There is no clear indication as to the state of charge of the battery on the portal. On one day the battery stopped charging at 13.00 hr and exported excess energy (I though peak was 16.00 hr to 20.00 hr). 0.0 KW was sent to the battery at this time. At 18.00 hr that day I put the oven on. I had hoped the battery would supply the power. There was some solar power still being produce to power the oven but the majority was drawn form the grid. Once solar production stopped at 20.00 hr all the power supplying the house was drawn from the grid. It was as if I didn't have a solar battery! I had generate 13.12 KW that day. Also the Enphase app has indicated an error in metring following installation. Turning off the Powervault has not affected this making me wonder if one of the clamps has been moved during installation. The Powervault support line have, so far, not been able to address my concerns or replied to my emails.
I love that Robert asks stupid questions, which we find out are not stupid questions, never be afraid to ask a question, we learn a lot more that way. ( I don’t like that I called it stupid questions because they are not but I couldn’t think of a better way to get my point across)
These simple interviews are better than any similar US show about energy storage. Its not overproduced fluff by empty-headed cheerleaders. (Your cheerleader is pretty smart). :-)
everything went over my head ... i coudn't understand anything , hahahah... but yeaaahhhh another new episode from FULLY CHARGE... that brought a smile to me.
I did consider powervault after visiting the stand at Fully Charged Live but the box was a bit too big go into the space I have and it can't live outside due to the venting. I ended up going for something that's a separate inverter and batteries which suits our home/space better. Just doesn't have all the fancy apps to change things on the fly, has to be done manually on the inverter.
I highly doubt the electricity bill will get any lower for customers, even if "you are in control". Power companies will always find a way to get the same amount of money. I hope at least that those batteries will help renewables and silence "arguments" of the type "the sun doesn't shine at night"/"wind is too random"/"the grid can't take electric cars".
Grading batteries involves charging the battery then fully discharging and measuring the outputted amp hours. You can also measure the voltage drop at a certain amperage and work out the internal resistance of the battery. If the internal resistance is too high the battery will be no good for high power draw uses even if the capacity is fine.
greenenergy.uk need to tell their call centre then. When I telephoned and asked about using off-peak electricity I was told I would need to have a separate meter installed even though I said I already had a smart meter! Had I been told the Powervault was available, I would have switched immediately.
The only problem I have with it is that I can't see a price on the website for their powervault 3 devices - you get a quotation form. To be brutal, the price is the decider since there are other possible suppliers and there doesn't seem to be an enormous difference in functionality.
Keep Madie, you needed someone to lighten up the show :D She's perfect for that :D Also, the fact Renault is doing this is great. But we really liked Maddy :D
I've a question with regards to min charging capacity. If my PV system is generating 50w winter time. Does that 50w charge the battery if there is no demand coming from the house. Or does the battery need a min charge ie 1kw, 2kw etc.
What an absolute lovely addition to the fully charged team Robert. I guess Johnny have to start to put on his beauty cream in the evening now to keep up. 😂 Great episode as well BTW.
I enjoyed having Maddie on the show, and would like to see her more. It would be good to know if this product would play nicely with the Tesla Powerwall, otherwise Robert will have to choose. Should have asked at least what the capacity of one of those units is. I'm wondering if anyone is working on DC powered electric appliances. Could you look into that? It seems silly to put the power through a DC->AC->DC cycle just to move it a few meters to the other side of your house. The parasitic losses have got to be worse than in DC wiring.
Any idea how much the solution costs with 1st life vs. 2nd life batteries? He said cost are less but Maddie could we get a cost difference for comparison?
First of all, Maddie is amazing. Please don't let this be her only piece with Fullycharged. I want her in cars talking about the ride, the tech and everything in between. Secondly, and sorry to be a bit of a downer to the Powervault team...but that specific name rings incredibly familiar for anyone in tech. Specifically, Dell Technologies produces a line of server products named PowerVault and they are close enough that from a trademark perspective that I worry this product might run afoul of naming rights. Do naming rights and trademarks in the UK work differently than in the States? They are part of a larger parent company it seems, so perhaps this was already considered by people more qualified than I am and thus they pushed ahead. Great video!
Thanks for having me on the channel guys. It was a pleasure to join the Fully Charged team!
You did a brilliant job! Hope to see you again in future videos!=D
Fantastic job Maddie! My kids and I love you on CBeebies, pleasantly surprised to see you here 👍
Great job Maddie your on the future top gear of electric team. At least I hope. :)
Maddie, believe me, the pleasure is all ours. To say you've brought a breath of fresh air, and a ray of sunshine, to Fully Charged is to understate the positive effect you have. The two regular dudes, though earnest in their endeavours, lack a certain pizzazz, and have faces even a mother would struggle to love.
That was fantastic!! You need to stay! :)
the chemistry between you two shines on screens! We need more Maddie on the show from now on :)
Maddie is a good fit with you guys.
Oh no, now hip young people are going to watch this also...
Cloxxki 😂😂😂
She sure is FIT.
Yeah, she’ll fit in... pompous stuttering twat
@@overlordone1246
Yeah, I agree, but you can't help it!
Fully Charged at its best. Relevant, informative, entertaining, superbly produced as always, and busting with positive energy. Robert in his element! And Maddie is fantastic - a perfect addition to the team.
Maddie adds so much more to the program
Who is she? Where is she from?
I only know her from a BBC childrens tv program called 'Do You Know?'. A good presenter.
Martin well, she's s girl!! Most people (some of whom are probably men!) seem to be getting VERY excited about her!......
Not much interest in the batteries though...........?!
Maddie Moate is a welcome addition to the Fully Charged team! Looking forward to more content, loved the enthusiasm.
Great episode! And a fantastic new presenter.
Very interesting well done team, something I've been considering for a while. The recycled batteries make a good deal of sense. Maddie makes a great addition to the presenting team.
Excellent show. Love the second use concept and hope all the manufacturers work this out!
This video has a lot of positive energy ;) Keep it up !
Florent_ATo Would you calm the power from electrons, positive?
A very positive comment!
great pun
Instant love - Maddie is just what this program needed (without even realizing it)
Maddie is a very good fit as a presenter on this channel. Robert (pipe and slippers grandad), Maddie (energetic youth).
Yay, Maddie! Love the storage tech. Great vid.
Maddie......! LOVE IT. Hope she’s a regular.
Good job, Maddie! Hope to see more of you in this channel, if you have the time and like working with Robert and Co.
So great to see Maddie as part of the team! Great addition 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I really wish these companies would put prices up and not 'get a quote' when advertising something.
Electric Vehicle Man , looks like around £7600 for a 7.5 kWh install from what I can find online about them
Sthilboy56 isn’t that more expensive than a Tesla powerwall? And 7.5 kWh is about £1 of electricity so even assuming it can save its own capacity 365 days a year payback is over 20 years. Or am I missing something?
Tim Sture , that's right over 20 years to break even
@@n111aow It might be a quid of regular priced power, but the whole point is to avoid the peak tariff. That way I'm sure you'll be able to save a lot more, and break even a lot quicker.
However, you can do the same by applying a quality timer to your water heater and to your electric heaters around your house for lot less.
I guess the best use for a battery like this is if you also have solar... or if the power company is willing to pay for your help to boost the grid every now and then.
Bård Haveland I don’t see how that helps - if you can only save a quid of regular cost electricity that’s a maximum and using a cheap tariff is going to save less than that. To beat the £1 a day you would need to save export of a quid’s worth every day and also transfer night time purchase to day / evening use but that seems a tall order. I would love to get batteries but they just look like an utter waste of money until prices come down a lot more.
Robert, I want to thank you for all these videos you put out. They always make me feel better about the future when I am normally scared and cynical. The mood and hope boost is immensely appreciated! Keep up the great work :)
Phoenix_Prince I agree. And then I read the comments section.
To see this channel growing the way it is...I'm not a father but it's like watching your boy grow up from a boy to a polished and poised young man. Excellent content as always, fantastic presenters, and camera work to which is of the highest standard. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to some more international developing nation content. Tech in those places really does change and save lives.
Love the new vibe and the freshness in the episode. Welcome Maddie to the fully charged family! Didn't know Fully charged could actually be more cheerful but I'm pleasantly surprised. Keep up the good work!
Maddie is a great addition to the show. I already loved the show and its presenters, now I love it even more :-)
Thanks for bringing on more great companies to showcase their technology and for co or guest hosts.
Bring on more of this style of interviews! With couple of different people to ask the questions! It gives such a fresh taste to all the video and even if it gets quite long, it still manages to remain entertainable! The change of interviewer is like a wake up call :)
Great introduction of maddie! Love the show and she fits well bubbly and positive!
Great show! I'm curious how long the cells last after they are already down at 70%...is the degradation linear?
Jeremy Schmidt watch again from 14:27 it is explained that there is a difference in the the way that the battery is used so the degradation would not be linear. How long, you won’t really know till there is enough out there for a decent period of time, but going by what is said I would expect that they would last longer because they would be under less strain than what they were when they were in the vehicle.
Jeremy Schmidt
You can't compare degradation in EV's and static storage.
Battery lifetime is usually related to the number of charge/discharge cycles and to a certain extent the rate at which they are charged. So as they said the batteries are being charged and discharged slower than in a car, and probably only with one cycle per day, you'd expect the degradation to slow down. One unknown is that in a car the batteries will rarely be fully discharged (as much as the controller allows) whereas this could happen in a residential situation, and most battery types tend to degrade quicker the more time they spend at a lower charge level.
So if your system is undersized and the batteries are drained quickly and left "flat" for some time before being recharged, it will likely degrade faster than getting an oversized system that never completely runs out of charge.
@@vink6163 "flat" will presumably allow enough charge to remain inaccessible to the system to prevent accelerated degradation.
@David Cowdrey
What he said. We, engineers, make sure the battery is taken care of, it will degrade much slower at home. More optimal temperature, slower charging/discharging, programming not allowing the battery to be under-charged... All good things.
What a fantastic show. FullyCharged is going from strength to strength -- keep up the great work!
chuffin eck... Fully charged.. With Smiles, welcome Maddie, and Great show Bobby, Nice to see there is a direct reusable path for Ev batteries in the UK, it is one of those things that gets mentioned but rarely explained, makes EV cars visibly greener and has settled more of the "issue" of the environmental impact that lithium mining/processing and recycling has. Thank you
Great show. This is an issue I've been following. About a year and a half, I had solar panels installed on my roof. I hope to upgrade my system with a battery bank at some point. I love the idea of the "second life" batteries and the fact that companies other than Tesla are getting into the act is very encouraging.
I was hoping for Helen to join but Maddie will do just fine as well! :-) The amount of smart people that appear on this show (guests and hosts of course) is just mind boggling! Any minute spent on this channel is minute well spent for me, thank you!
It's good to see more Power Wall's coming to market but what we need now is a comparison review
What we need you to do is let the kids out of the basement.
Can't wait to see maddie, johnny, and Robert all interacting together. I love those channel Robert, been here since pretty early on
I absolutely love the positive energy in this!!
great job Maddie !
I will not be referring to Maddie as Maddie.
I shall call her...
A breath of fresh air. 😊
As always, a wonderful episode. I was checking the timeline wishing it would go for longer.
Well done team and welcome ‘a breath of fresh air’.
New presenter! I am taking this as a sign the channels doing well! Awesome (and welcome!)
16:33 should have been the video thumbnail! Great overview of the technology, and a really enjoyable inclusion of Maddie who brought a different energy to the show (pun maybe a little intended :))
very good video! I Liked the different interview parts. Keep up the good work.
Another fantastic show guys and well done I just wish Ireland was as forward-thinking as you are with all the sea and wind we have around us.
Maddie is a great addition! Well done!
I like videos like this, you know, the ones that aren't about cars all the time. I also think reuse of battery cells interesting and I like the fact that companies are starting to invest in battery re use and not just people re using cells on youtube. Is Maddie a new (cemi?) permanent member of the team? If so, hello! One question I would of had to ask though would be about cost of the recycled cells, compared to new cells, and how this would reflect the price to the end consumer.
Also, what warranty is there on the 2nd life batteries?
theyre reusing cells cos they cannot recycle them !!!! COBALT IS BAD
I just don't see a new battery being cost effective in the second hand market, once all are near 300 mile range a 50% state will match the value of the shell and still be useful for people who have short commutes, even now most will just buy a "new" £2k car than spend that money on a new clutch.
@@PaulMansfield
Let's say batteries have an arbitrary 10 year life in a vehicle.
That life is relatively stressful. It reduces the performance of some cells by 20%.
This makes the battery "marginal" for the stress of EV use.
In comparison, static storage is a "battery spa".
There's no reason that in the stress free environment, they could last at least 15 years.
@@jasonosler4757
How many times?
They CAN recycle them.
Pay more attention!!
Your team is maturing nicely.... Like a sensible intelligent version of the Top Gear folks under Clarkson (ahem - mind that producer)
Like a smelly cheese
Great episode team! Hope Maddie joins more episodes!
Going from strength to strength Robert. Welcome Maddie. Good first video.
Been missing a few videos lately but the new co-star is great! She fits right in & I like her. 100% approved!
Great video again but question to Renault... 75% is great if you own a 40 KW/h Zoe but If you have like me owned a Renault Twizy for just over 4 years with 30,000 miles on the clock. I have so far spent over 2736 GBP at around 57 GBP / monthly battery rental fee and fully charged 6 days of the week (sometime twice a day). My battery (13 KW /h) is still showing a life of 98% so congratulation on the quality of the battery.
But for me it means the battery is likely to be well over 75% for a good let say 5, 6 years... I don't want to think of the cost of the battery rental after that time when it will have been well over the original cost of it! And with even 80% the range will have dramatically been reduced.
I love my Twizy and despite the rental cost still cheaper for me than driving a petrol or diesel to my daily commute as public transport are none existence for me where I live. But it will be nice for Renault to tell their oldest customers this is the time to decide if we want to continue to rent the battery for peace of mind or you can have it at no cost. Currently you can give it back or buy it but it is way too expensive.
You are basically trapped and tide up for the life of the vehicle. Shame really.
Eric Lafoy I used to ask a quote for buying off a battery for a twizy, 1.5y ago this was 1400 excluding tax, not bad for a 3500euro twizy incl. Tax
Great job as usual. Love Roberts enthusiasm and now Maddie is on the kids won't moan if I play it on the TV!
Nice addition to the team, Maddie.
Great video! Loving the second life storage. My powerwall is 70kwh of usable power using lithium ion laptop batteries that I've stripped and rebuilt, this winter I'll be upgrading the wall to 100kwh. If you want some pics for future 2nd life storage videos, get in touch. Cheers, Glenn
Such a interesting video Robert , thanks
My take away (11:47) -- _"Energy is a dead-simple business made difficult by process"_
Nail on the head - unfortunately the powers that be in the world make most supposedly simple stuff overly complicated (tax in the UK is a good example!)
Great to see Maddie join the team. Kept expecting her to whip out her special camera any minute. #doyouknow
Maddie is great on the show, I hope she'll be in a lot more videos too!
I am sat here admiring the shiny new white Tesla sat in my garage - it can't go anywhere as it's bolted to the (power)wall :o) Being fortunate to have solar as well, and with the Sunny weather (you can't beat a Sunny September) there have been days when we have been entirely "off grid". However as others mention - I am concerned that private power companies will conjure up some way to negate any early adopter benefits. New power startups like Good Energy are the way to go for people who have become solar / battery early adopters. I have named my powerwall ALSET (did you see what I did there?!) Like Robert, I can suddenly find myself gazing at ALSET while purring softly with the occasional keening sound.
I'm not so sure about the power companies penalising people using batteries - because of how much it costs to balance the grid (match supply to demand) - if they can smooth out demand / you have a local battery to cover momentary spikes (such as turning on the kettle) then the savings would be massive.
(numbers from a separate youtube vid I watched recently, so not sure of accuracy) The 'big battery' that Tesla built in Australia apparently costs ~$14k per MWH, and that's something like 7x cheaper than the power plant operators were charging to make the same supply adjustment. Given that the 'kettle spike' requires 2x adjustments, having a battery in every house would save them ~$28k (not sure in GBP) just from that one event...
And lastly, it's not like you're not paying for that power anyway. Penalising people with solar is more likely (simply because that's generating your own power).
+Joe McMorrow, I do know what you mean, we had ours fitted in March (7 months ago), plus another 9 panels fitted to the North roof, with the result that we have had 184 days with the only mains use being 200 to 500 watts per day. (between 5 and 7 kWh per MONTH.) Only 35 days using the mains, and that vastly reduced. (When big things get turned on, there is a very small 'pull' from the mains while the battery / solar balance the load. Mostly 0.1 kWh in a days use).
We also signed up to the Tide Tariff a while ago (ready for long winter nights and short dull days), but have seen no advantage yet as we have been on solar / powerwall for 5 months on the trot! The battery got down to 6% the day before yesterday, so I know our 'free' days are ending for this year :-(, but HEY! Half a year with out paying for power (and mostly free driving with the PHEV), count me WELL impressed.
IMHO, anybody who has fitted Solar PV and does not fit a battery is nuts! AND wasting a large chunk of their investment.
Thanks for the detailed response and the Stats Con! As you are further along the road than me, could you suggest what energy provider might be best to look at, is there a blog or something - the comparison websites were useless!
+ Joe, Glad it is of use :-). One of the questions I wanted an answer to when ordering was how many days/months might be mains free. All installations will be different, but at least I can now tell people what has been possible in one case! I have kept records of our first 7 years solar readings, and it should be recognized that 2018 is a record breaking year for solar, so this mains free run may not be usual, but I live in hope. Time will tell.
When I was looking for a new supplier I found it wise to search for 'Economy 7' and leave comparison sites alone as they do not cater for that market. I came down to OVO
www.ovoenergy.com/economy-7?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5pK8hdnS2QIVSJMbCh2Q9Q37EAAYBCAAEgIyvPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
And Green Energy and the Tide Tariff. This article in the Guardian was helpful
www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/03/green-energy-uk-launches-first-time-of-day-electricity-tariff
Another customer of the Installer who fitted my Powerwall was very keen on GE and Tide, and my dealings with them have been OK, excepting a problem with the new meter. This has been fitted, but time ran out on the electrician (I live on the Isle of Wight, ferries rule our lives when most installers have to come over from the mainland, and they get a very full days work to justify the ferry trip), and it still needs linking into the installing companies network, before GE (or me) can talk to it. This is beyond GEs control, and they have chased up on it, but (as the electrician's Anglo-Saxon expressions about his tech support dept. said at the time) their support is lamentable.
As every region has different peaks, the rates and time slots vary from one to another, but mine are
00:00 to 07:00 ==> 6.41p @ kWh Night Rate,
07:00 to 16:00 ==> 14.2p @ kWh, Standard Rate, (07:00 to 00:00 at Weekend),
16:00 to 20:00 ==> 30p @ kWh Peak Rate
20:00 to 00:00 ==> 14.2p @ kWh, Standard Rate.
On the Tesla App you will find a menu marked "Customize". If you open that, there is an option to enable charging from the mains at the specific times you set. As I have yet to do this I can not advise further, but there are some things on U-Tube from folks who have, that should help.
I hope this is of use, but my arm is being claimed by a cat, so I have to stop typing :-).
Many thanks Con for taking the trouble over this very detailed and helpful reply - I will certainly follow up on your suggestions!
This is so inspiring. There's a new industry coming out of dead batteries! So cool!
More Maddie pls. Great new host.
Great video about a brilliant product. Goodwin Electrical have been installing battery storage for several years. We are moving over to Powervault due to its performance, British based and best eco battery storage system on the market.
They seem to have forgot the most important thing to ask, Cost And Payback
Amazing energy :)!
I love Maddie, it will be great to see her in more upcoming videos
Bravo for keeping manufacturing in the UK!
I have just had an 8.2KW Powervault battery installed with EDF Energy. There is no clear indication as to the state of charge of the battery on the portal. On one day the battery stopped charging at 13.00 hr and exported excess energy (I though peak was 16.00 hr to 20.00 hr). 0.0 KW was sent to the battery at this time. At 18.00 hr that day I put the oven on. I had hoped the battery would supply the power. There was some solar power still being produce to power the oven but the majority was drawn form the grid. Once solar production stopped at 20.00 hr all the power supplying the house was drawn from the grid. It was as if I didn't have a solar battery! I had generate 13.12 KW that day. Also the Enphase app has indicated an error in metring following installation. Turning off the Powervault has not affected this making me wonder if one of the clamps has been moved during installation. The Powervault support line have, so far, not been able to address my concerns or replied to my emails.
Interesting. Thank you for sharing. What happened to Johnnys' VW Pikes Peak video?
I love that Robert asks stupid questions, which we find out are not stupid questions, never be afraid to ask a question, we learn a lot more that way. ( I don’t like that I called it stupid questions because they are not but I couldn’t think of a better way to get my point across)
Every time the guy says "Powervault" I hear "Powerwall". :D
zlozlozlo All this time, I've been hearing it wrong, inspite of reading the title.
Maddie is awesome.
Less than a minute in, and maddie is a delight
The opening itself was worth a like. :D
These simple interviews are better than any similar US show about energy storage. Its not overproduced fluff by empty-headed cheerleaders. (Your cheerleader is pretty smart). :-)
everything went over my head ... i coudn't understand anything , hahahah...
but yeaaahhhh another new episode from FULLY CHARGE... that brought a smile to me.
Great to see Maddie here... My kids love her show on cbeebies! Win!
I did consider powervault after visiting the stand at Fully Charged Live but the box was a bit too big go into the space I have and it can't live outside due to the venting. I ended up going for something that's a separate inverter and batteries which suits our home/space better. Just doesn't have all the fancy apps to change things on the fly, has to be done manually on the inverter.
Thought it was made in Japan with the lip sink out, johny scrubbed up well-loved.Great video
Maddie Moate is a fantastic presenter. Please feature Maddie more on Fully Charged.
I am already in love with the new girl of the team. Great improvement!!!
Sharing electricity per to per. Peer to peer sharing? How did that test trial work out? Curious.
I highly doubt the electricity bill will get any lower for customers, even if "you are in control". Power companies will always find a way to get the same amount of money. I hope at least that those batteries will help renewables and silence "arguments" of the type "the sun doesn't shine at night"/"wind is too random"/"the grid can't take electric cars".
Yep... best thing is to oversize your solar and battery system so you can go off grid.
A very interesting video about localised energy management and home battery storage - a glimpse into the near future.
I would like to hear about situations which do not offer time rate charges. How much depends on having this lower cost at night?
Grading batteries involves charging the battery then fully discharging and measuring the outputted amp hours. You can also measure the voltage drop at a certain amperage and work out the internal resistance of the battery. If the internal resistance is too high the battery will be no good for high power draw uses even if the capacity is fine.
I need more Maddie in my life.
11:46 "Energy is a dead simple business made difficult by process."
Hnn....i just wish that one day utilities will understand this simple phrase.
Maddie's a great addition to the team. Instantly watchable/likeable, just like Jonnny.
greenenergy.uk need to tell their call centre then. When I telephoned and asked about using off-peak electricity I was told I would need to have a separate meter installed even though I said I already had a smart meter! Had I been told the Powervault was available, I would have switched immediately.
Apparently not all smart meters speak the same language (so to speak), so your present meter may not talk to GE as it does with others. Go Figure!
So the big question then.... Is this effectively another Tesla PowerWall product and if so, how does it compare?
Sounds like it, doesn't it?
But power vault been available for 5 years and being installed long before tesla units
Sid L
I suppose you could look at their website?
I found this: blog.spiritenergy.co.uk/homeowner/powervault-3-vs-powerwall-2-chemistry-0.
Well, a battery in a box is a battery in a box....….
The only problem I have with it is that I can't see a price on the website for their powervault 3 devices - you get a quotation form. To be brutal, the price is the decider since there are other possible suppliers and there doesn't seem to be an enormous difference in functionality.
Keep Madie, you needed someone to lighten up the show :D She's perfect for that :D
Also, the fact Renault is doing this is great. But we really liked Maddy :D
I've gone from watching @Maddiemoate with my kids on Cbeebies to now in my own free time!
That Maddie lady was delightful. You should keep her around.
My question is what's difference between The telsa Powell and powervault. I HOPE they do a video on this.As telsa are/was the best.
Yeah! More Maddie Moate, please.
Your a good team you two 😊great energy !😂
I've a question with regards to min charging capacity. If my PV system is generating 50w winter time. Does that 50w charge the battery if there is no demand coming from the house. Or does the battery need a min charge ie 1kw, 2kw etc.
Yay Maddie, we need you to help get Fully Charged subs up another 50,100k .....you can do it!
"Thank You For Watching" :-) --> Thank you for showing. 🦊
Have you done an episode on battery disposal?
What an absolute lovely addition to the fully charged team Robert. I guess Johnny have to start to put on his beauty cream in the evening now to keep up. 😂 Great episode as well BTW.
What is the projected lifespan difference between the Second Life Battery compared to the First Life Battery?
I enjoyed having Maddie on the show, and would like to see her more.
It would be good to know if this product would play nicely with the Tesla Powerwall, otherwise Robert will have to choose.
Should have asked at least what the capacity of one of those units is.
I'm wondering if anyone is working on DC powered electric appliances. Could you look into that? It seems silly to put the power through a DC->AC->DC cycle just to move it a few meters to the other side of your house. The parasitic losses have got to be worse than in DC wiring.
Any idea how much the solution costs with 1st life vs. 2nd life batteries? He said cost are less but Maddie could we get a cost difference for comparison?
First of all, Maddie is amazing. Please don't let this be her only piece with Fullycharged. I want her in cars talking about the ride, the tech and everything in between. Secondly, and sorry to be a bit of a downer to the Powervault team...but that specific name rings incredibly familiar for anyone in tech. Specifically, Dell Technologies produces a line of server products named PowerVault and they are close enough that from a trademark perspective that I worry this product might run afoul of naming rights. Do naming rights and trademarks in the UK work differently than in the States? They are part of a larger parent company it seems, so perhaps this was already considered by people more qualified than I am and thus they pushed ahead. Great video!
That is exactly what I thought of and wondered why FullyCharged were covering Dell/EMC servers...
Are they PowerVault or PowerEdge? I'm in the UK and I have a DELL PowerEdge server...
Powervault is their storage line, I have a powervault branded DAS and tape library
@@jongmassey gotcha
They aren't really competing in the same space. I suppose someone could make a complaint about them both being in the "storage" business, though.