He speaks so clearly that even though I don't speak Italian and only have rudimentary knowledge of french, I understood everything he said!! Thank you!!
mariottipiano マリオッティピアノ thank you very much, I’m still practicing the waldstein sonata, and thr octave glissandos give me blisters after practicing. I don’t even know how to perfect them if I cannot practice them without hurting myself.
How to play the octave glissando passage from Beethoven's Waldstein-Sonata in two steps: Step 1: Buy a historical Viennese fortepiano. Step 2: Play the octave glissandi. Jokes aside, a great video about this topic with real practical suggestions. I've known pianists breaking into tears over this issue because nothing they could do about it was perfect.
spanish and italian are so similar languages i can understand basically everything without actually knowing italian (my native language is spanish) very polite video, directly to the point !
Very concise presentation of the issue! Especially helpful in showing what you can do on the different pianos (old and new) and what the various editors have suggested, by way of solutions. Interesting that the glissando is obviously playable on the Steinway, but just not quite pianissimo. In the thick of a performance, however, the pp marking is perhaps better sacrificed than the bravura of the glissando.
Grazie per questo video. Visto che ho già provato con poco successo col glissato mi fa piacere che anche lei consigli di dividere le ottave tra le due mani
Davvero interessantissimo! Mi piacerebbe sentire tutta la sonata di Waldstein su un fortepiano dell’epoca di Beethoven. Comunque non mi aspettavo un’analisi così approfondita su strumenti storici e perfino accompagnato dall’ascolto di registrazioni famose! Davvero un bel video, molto interessante e ben fatto 👍
Thank you for this thorough and well-informed video! Although I tend to be more on the side of doing everything I can to play the glissandi, your reasoning for both arguments was sound and polite. Thank you!
Thank you for your explanations (very clear, even if I have never studied Italien : as french speaker I understood everything !) I'm currently studying this amazing sonate and I only have an upright piano (Pfeiffer : the sound is very good, but it is also very hard and difficult to play a "piano" or a "pianissimo", so not ideal for the Waldstein). In few weeks, I will arrive at the mesures of these glissandi and I dread this time ! Anyway, I think the technique you show on the Steinway or the Bösendorfer will work (I just tried now !), even if it is not very confortable for the fingers! So, thank you very much for your tips !
Hello! The glissandi may become easy on an upright piano (it is on Yamaha and Kawai pianos), Pfeiffer is a good brand, and you should be able to do it. But please be patient and don't force it! It may take a couple of weeks before you can perform it smoothly, you can injure your fingers' skin or, even worse, your finger joints if you try too hard. Please keep me informed!
@@mariottipiano Hi, I can perform now the glissandi. The only thing is that I cannot play it pianissimo, because of the hardnest of the piano, but it is working. I tried it on a Steinway, and it is way easier (it is not a surprise !). At least, it is working. Very hard at the begining, but it's going well with training. So, thanks for the advice !
Maradona toccava il pallone facendo sembrare facili giocate difficilissime, lei ha illustrato magistralmente e ha impressionato anche me che non sono un pianista. Complimenti!
Thanks for this good content, also, I'm a pianist (17yo). I have been studying 12 years, but my hands are quite small. My hands reaches the 9th with some difficulties, they are still growing a little, but I'm very worried about this. So, in my case, what could be the best way to play an octave glissando, without having much trouble or higher chances of an injury? (Thanks again, I subscribed too)
Thank you Catalina! You can try to play the glissando octaves just bending a little the thumb, like I demonstrate on the fortepiano. With some hands it works fine, it needs a little bit of training. But please don't try too hard and hurt yourself! I can play the glissandos, but on some (heavier) pianos it is really impossible, therefore I practice also the two-hands version.
Very clear and concise explanation. But my question is , are most modern scores of the waldstein sonata has the octave glissando , or the simplified version?
All modern scores of the Waldstein Sonata should have the original octave glissando. If they don't, they are not serious scores 😉 Most edition also have a facilitated version, printed in a footnote.
Buonasera Maestro, grazie per la straordinaria spiegazione. Mi piacerebbe molto ascoltare qualche sua interpretazione di sonate di Beethoven. Dove posso trovarle? Grazie
Sono felice che la spiegazione le sia piaciuta! Ho eseguito (ed eseguo) spesso le Sonate in concerto. Ho alcune buone registrazioni dal vivo della NHK e ORF, devo tuttavia chiedere il permesso per pubblicarle su UA-cam. Le farò sapere!
Buongiorno, posso gentilmente chiederLe di utilizzare appena 1 secondo del Suo video in un mio breve video NON-PROFIT di educazione musicale? Grazie in anticipo.
@@mariottipiano Certamente Maestro. Prima di pubblicare il video ci vorrà un po' di tempo, ma appena pubblicato Le farò avere il link. La ringrazio sentitamente.
Buongiorno Professore, mi sono imbattuto per caso nella sua brillante lezione e mi è venuto in mente un recente video al riguardo, in cui mi ero sempre imbattuto (!), con un confronto tra tre differenti soluzioni (Arrau, Lisitsa e Freire) che sicuramente lei conoscerà ma che sono montate utilmente in sequenza e credo possano contribuire all'argomento ua-cam.com/video/AMmX-B756b0/v-deo.html Personalmente preferisco di gran lunga Freire. Cari saluti Giovanni Delogu
Caro Delogu, Sono contento che il video le sia piaciuto! La soluzione di Freire è quella proposta da Bruno Seidlhofer, suo insegnante a Vienna (e insegnante di Gulda, Buchbinder, Brendel, Argerich e tanti altri). Anch'io la studiai così (il mio insegnante a Vienna, Hans Graf, era pure un allievo di Seidlhofer), ma l'ho sempre trovata un po' vuota nella scala a salire. Cordiali saluti!
He speaks so clearly that even though I don't speak Italian and only have rudimentary knowledge of french, I understood everything he said!! Thank you!!
I am happy that you liked it. I just added English subtitles!
mariottipiano マリオッティピアノ thank you very much, I’m still practicing the waldstein sonata, and thr octave glissandos give me blisters after practicing. I don’t even know how to perfect them if I cannot practice them without hurting myself.
same! im brazilian and i understood everuthing
As a portuguese native speaker and fluent spanish speaker I had the same experience
@@MatheusKulik same
How to play the octave glissando passage from Beethoven's Waldstein-Sonata in two steps:
Step 1: Buy a historical Viennese fortepiano.
Step 2: Play the octave glissandi.
Jokes aside, a great video about this topic with real practical suggestions. I've known pianists breaking into tears over this issue because nothing they could do about it was perfect.
Grazie mille per la lezione eccellente.
Grazie a lei! Sono felice che le sia piaciuta.
1:28 He turned the black keys into the white keys!
AMAZING
interesting
I'm so glad I got this reference
😆
iNtErEsTiNg
spanish and italian are so similar languages i can understand basically everything without actually knowing italian (my native language is spanish)
very polite video, directly to the point !
Very concise presentation of the issue! Especially helpful in showing what you can do on the different pianos (old and new) and what the various editors have suggested, by way of solutions. Interesting that the glissando is obviously playable on the Steinway, but just not quite pianissimo. In the thick of a performance, however, the pp marking is perhaps better sacrificed than the bravura of the glissando.
I agree with you. But on some pianos, the glissandos may be really to hard to perform.
Gran bella lezione, con un aggiunta di signorilità che oggidì fa molto bene all'animo!
Grazie a Lei per le belle parole!
Grazie mille (thank you very much)!
Glad you liked it. Thank you!
Video molto interessante.grazie della pubblicazione
Grazie a Lei! I complimenti di una collega sono particolarmente graditi.
Exposé agréable, clair et précis, et qui témoigne d’une grande connaissance de l’instrument. Grazie mille, professore.
Grazie a Lei per la gentilezza!
Grande lezione, anche nello stile divulgativo. Grazie, prof. Mariotti, e complimenti!
Grazie per l'apprezzamento!
Grazie, maestro!
Grazie a lei, spero che le sia piaciuto!
Egregio Professore, sono entusiasta di questo video ricco di dottrina. Grazie
Grazie per le belle parole, ne sono molto lieto!
Grazie per questo video. Visto che ho già provato con poco successo col glissato mi fa piacere che anche lei consigli di dividere le ottave tra le due mani
Sono felice che abbia tratto giovamento da questo video. Anch'io uso la divisione tra le mani su certi pianoforti.
Davvero interessantissimo! Mi piacerebbe sentire tutta la sonata di Waldstein su un fortepiano dell’epoca di Beethoven. Comunque non mi aspettavo un’analisi così approfondita su strumenti storici e perfino accompagnato dall’ascolto di registrazioni famose! Davvero un bel video, molto interessante e ben fatto 👍
bravissimo! questo eró il video che bisognavo .. grazie mila !
Grazie a te per il feedback, Juan Pablo!
Thank you for this thorough and well-informed video! Although I tend to be more on the side of doing everything I can to play the glissandi, your reasoning for both arguments was sound and polite. Thank you!
Thank you for your kind feedback! I am happy if it was helpful.
Grazie Maestro.... Grande!!!
Grazie e Lei!
Czerny Op.365 Etude 31
Excellent! But that Czerny Etude, as written (p and ff) is almost unplayable on modern pianos.
@@mariottipiano could you make a video tutorial on how to play correctly the Glissandos of Czerny Op.365 Etude 31?
Thank you for your explanations (very clear, even if I have never studied Italien : as french speaker I understood everything !) I'm currently studying this amazing sonate and I only have an upright piano (Pfeiffer : the sound is very good, but it is also very hard and difficult to play a "piano" or a "pianissimo", so not ideal for the Waldstein). In few weeks, I will arrive at the mesures of these glissandi and I dread this time ! Anyway, I think the technique you show on the Steinway or the Bösendorfer will work (I just tried now !), even if it is not very confortable for the fingers! So, thank you very much for your tips !
Hello! The glissandi may become easy on an upright piano (it is on Yamaha and Kawai pianos), Pfeiffer is a good brand, and you should be able to do it. But please be patient and don't force it! It may take a couple of weeks before you can perform it smoothly, you can injure your fingers' skin or, even worse, your finger joints if you try too hard. Please keep me informed!
@@mariottipiano Hi, I can perform now the glissandi. The only thing is that I cannot play it pianissimo, because of the hardnest of the piano, but it is working. I tried it on a Steinway, and it is way easier (it is not a surprise !). At least, it is working. Very hard at the begining, but it's going well with training. So, thanks for the advice !
Excelente video!!! Resutla muy útil, muchas gracias por compartir para los pianistas ! :)
Thank you for your nice comment!
Muito obrigado! Excelente aula desse trecho maligno
Grazie!
Maradona toccava il pallone facendo sembrare facili giocate difficilissime, lei ha illustrato magistralmente e ha impressionato anche me che non sono un pianista. Complimenti!
Grazie per le belle parole! 😆
Thanks for this good content, also, I'm a pianist (17yo). I have been studying 12 years, but my hands are quite small. My hands reaches the 9th with some difficulties, they are still growing a little, but I'm very worried about this. So, in my case, what could be the best way to play an octave glissando, without having much trouble or higher chances of an injury? (Thanks again, I subscribed too)
Thank you Catalina! You can try to play the glissando octaves just bending a little the thumb, like I demonstrate on the fortepiano. With some hands it works fine, it needs a little bit of training. But please don't try too hard and hurt yourself! I can play the glissandos, but on some (heavier) pianos it is really impossible, therefore I practice also the two-hands version.
Very clear and concise explanation. But my question is , are most modern scores of the waldstein sonata has the octave glissando , or the simplified version?
All modern scores of the Waldstein Sonata should have the original octave glissando. If they don't, they are not serious scores 😉
Most edition also have a facilitated version, printed in a footnote.
Buonasera Maestro, grazie per la straordinaria spiegazione. Mi piacerebbe molto ascoltare qualche sua interpretazione di sonate di Beethoven. Dove posso trovarle? Grazie
Sono felice che la spiegazione le sia piaciuta! Ho eseguito (ed eseguo) spesso le Sonate in concerto. Ho alcune buone registrazioni dal vivo della NHK e ORF, devo tuttavia chiedere il permesso per pubblicarle su UA-cam. Le farò sapere!
got assigned Waldstein third movement and my fingers are already hurting
Oh, no! Please do the easier version, dividing the octaves between both hands. If you injury yourself, the damage can become permanent!
Buongiorno, posso gentilmente chiederLe di utilizzare appena 1 secondo del Suo video in un mio breve video NON-PROFIT di educazione musicale? Grazie in anticipo.
Buongiorno, certamente lo può utilizzare, preferibilmente indicando il mio nome, e Beethoven Autentico. Mi faccia avere poi il link!
@@mariottipiano Certamente Maestro. Prima di pubblicare il video ci vorrà un po' di tempo, ma appena pubblicato Le farò avere il link. La ringrazio sentitamente.
@@adrianocastaldini Grazie a Lei!
Buongiorno Professore,
mi sono imbattuto per caso nella sua brillante lezione e mi è venuto in mente un recente video al riguardo, in cui mi ero sempre imbattuto (!), con un confronto tra tre differenti soluzioni (Arrau, Lisitsa e Freire) che sicuramente lei conoscerà ma che sono montate utilmente in sequenza e credo possano contribuire all'argomento
ua-cam.com/video/AMmX-B756b0/v-deo.html
Personalmente preferisco di gran lunga Freire.
Cari saluti
Giovanni Delogu
Caro Delogu,
Sono contento che il video le sia piaciuto! La soluzione di Freire è quella proposta da Bruno Seidlhofer, suo insegnante a Vienna (e insegnante di Gulda, Buchbinder, Brendel, Argerich e tanti altri). Anch'io la studiai così (il mio insegnante a Vienna, Hans Graf, era pure un allievo di Seidlhofer), ma l'ho sempre trovata un po' vuota nella scala a salire.
Cordiali saluti!
hab nix verstanden aber die stimme ist sehr schön und sanft :-)
Das ist aber nett von Ihnen :)
Ich werde versuchen, übersetze Untertitel hinzufügen!
Wtf.
I can't even speak spanish and I understood every word.
I don't even know wether this is spanish.
Thank you anyway!
You are welcome Keith! It is actually Italian. But music speak for itself, isn't it?
@@mariottipiano Yes!
Also, I'm currently learning french. It's interesting how many relations there are between the latin languages ^w^
achso
It’s impossible to play the exact notes that Beethoven wrote if you play the left hand octaves with two hands.
And yet, the 3:19 way gets every single note in.