I saw this in the theater when it came out in 2003. My friend and I both took our wives, who neither like Terminator, but they were willing to do a "guy's movie" too. By the end of the film (with a nearly full theater), both of our wives were in stunned silence - as was everyone else - at the realization of how the ending was unrolling. We're trained as movie watchers that the good guys always disarm the bomb and save the day with seconds to spare. This time, none of that happens, and I give the writers, producers, and director a ton of credit for having the guts to make THIS ending. The movie itself was fairly run-of-the-mill, but to me, having the guts to pull off that ending is what elevates this film (IMO) a little higher than most will rate it. I rate it 7.5 out of 10.
I agree, I was kinda meh about the movie the whole way through, especially considering they literally erased Sarah Connor. Until the ending, where they truly did something different and unexpected. You watch the characters try and try and fight to prevent this during the entirety of the story, you expect John Connor and yknow, Schwarzy to win, but at the end, they lose. For a movie dating back to 2003, that's a true dare!
@@MARYWTHER 2005 the fog was a true dare. but this movie gets to much hate. the plot is fitting. Action is amazing. its only laking the robot humen interaction, like arnold with edward furlong. still i am fine with this movie as a sequel especialy when you compare it with the dogshit trash of the later movies in the series.
The thing was that I kinda expected them to end it this way back in 2003. So my problem was that the execution of the idea wasn't very compelling. And I chalk that up to the fact that John and Kate had no impact on the end result one way or the other. They could've kept on heading in the direction that Arnie was taking them, and things would have played out exactly the same. PERHAPS the ending could've worked better if their arrival at CRS actually caused Kate's father to launch Skynet somehow. That sort of causality loop would give the ending a bit more weight instead of making the heroes into little more than interactive audience members.
The ending is great and elevates the movie. Although in retrospect it somewhat contradicts the theme of T2... In that one, future is what we make of it, thus it is never written and always in Flux... It depends of our choices. This one says that the future *is* set in stone and it will always happen one way even if we fight it. It's even heavily implied that John being the first boy she ever kissed was already destiny at work. So, yeah.
A lot of people think this movie is bad but I always really liked it. The beginning and ending of this movie are really cool and still gives me goosebumps
I watched this movie in theaters when I was a kid. Growing up I really enjoyed this movie a lot. When I got older it blew my mind that so many people really hated this movie. Even now as an adult, I still really enjoy this movie, despite noticing a few of the things that bugged me. I do think they should have stopped the series after T2 but I still really liked this movie.
I also really like this movie. I even enjoy the 4th. I think I saw the 4th one after the open ended ending of the series that I just made it the ending of the show so I really liked it.
It is a pity that didn't make two Terminators movies after Salvation to continue on and finish the franchise once and for all, instead rebooting, twice. The Terminator franchise would have been like the original *Planet of the Ape* series. The last movie in the franchise becomes prequel to the first movie. Uroboros movie franchise.
@@abrahamdiaz3648 do you know what’s overrated?… saying “underrated!” Stop saying “underrated.” That word is literally dead because it’s so overused and misused constantly
@@nsasupporter7557 Are you seriously going through all the comment threats calling people out for this? How sad are you man. Your commitment to something so pathetic is underrated.
The irony of the time travel in this series is that every time a Terminator goes to the past to change the past, it locks into place a future where that Terminator has to be able to exist in order to come back and change it. Its like self fulfilling proficy..
The war in the future that lead to destroying the core facility of Skynet is what causes Skynet as a last desperate measure to send a robot agent back in specific time to ensure its existence as a branch in timeline right before it gets conquered by the resistance. Thus the cycle repeats but not necessarily as a single loop rather a branching spiral that never stops.
One theory about time travel is that it's impossible to go back in time because of the paradoxes it creates. You can't go back in time because you already weren't there at the time you want to go to. Instead, what you're doing is going to an alternate universe inside of the infinite multiverse, that's nearly identical to our own, except that you actually were at the time you want to travel to. Anything you do won't affect the timeline in your original universe, but if you stay in the new one you can see how events will play out if you change things. When you apply this idea to the Terminator franchise it leads to some interesting ideas. For one, the original John Connor that sends Kyle Reese back in time isn't fathered by Kyle, and his mother never actually dealt with a Terminator. Instead he was likely fathered during a one-night stand that Sarah had when her and Ginger went out, which is what probably would have happened if not for the Terminator and Kyle's interference that night. Another is that it could explain why John Connor is played by a different actor in every movie. They're each a Connor from a different universe so they each look different depending on what is different in that particular universe.
@@SunwardRanger83 Yeah, there are several theories about how time travel works. The one that is probably the most annoying is that a different chain of events doesn't necessarily lead to a paradox. Its like someone recorded a movie on VHS, went back to the beginning, and recorded something else over half the movie. And yest SOMEHOW what ever is suppose to happen in the second half of the movie, STILL happens. Like fate is so strong, that you can make changes to the past, and some things might still be different, but things that have to happen, will..no matter what.
Details may change, but history/time itself seem to auto-correct the timeline, at least so key-moments are retained. Judgement Day might be delayable but perhaps that's not something you'd want, since Skynet will have a technological development advantage, or perhaps people that should have survived in 1997 when the bombs fell have different lives now and the bombs that fall in 2004 kills people that would otherwise have been alive, etc. etc. A lot of the Dark Horse Comics have 'what if' scenarios of defunct timelines showing what happened if small things were changed, or like if John had been killed in T2... Sarah might have gone full cruel-technophobic and have the arnie-terminator aid her and they lead the resistance as a duo - all of it ending with skynet and the resistance both wiping eachother out.
Salvation is one of my favourites because for 3 films we hear and see very little about what the future is actually like, it’s a bit of pay off for waiting all that time!
I like it becasue it's actually tried something new and i think it was allright except the CGI Arnold. That was really unnecessary. Sitting in a solid 3rd place in the franchise ( this being 4th and lets not talk about the rest )
Salvation annoys me, it uses bullets instead of lasers. The whole point they use lasers in future scenes of T1/T2 is because bullets are not effective against machines!
Showing the future is such a mistake, it'd be like showing Jaws in every scene of that movie. The future is for your imagination, not to show and tell you how it is.
@@zombiesingularity Wasn't that explained by the fact that Cyberdyne designed the plasma weapons and the future of Cyberdyne was slighty changed due to the events of T2. And Salvation was also set several years before the events of the future scenes in T1 and T2.
@zombiesingularity it was only 2018. It was just the beginning of the future war. They were gonna get to laser weapons eventually but they didn't get to finish the trilogy
I really liked the Sarah Conner Chronicles TV show back in the day, John's character is pretty good in it, there's a female terminator (played by my long time celeb crush, Summer Glau) that is done pretty well, and Lena Headey (Cercei in GoT) as Sarah is fantastic.
Aye, a great series with some good acting talent in it ... and yet again another good sci-fi show canned just as it got going! Now we can't move for sci-fi and, sadly, some of it runs for many seasons whilst being utterly terrible (no prizes for guessing who is in my sights there!). Back in the before time we got very little and so much that we did get was actually good because it had to be!
I love the show! It introduces so many new ideas like the machines with their own motivations besides those of Skynet, the sexual tension possible between man and machine, the possibility of different futures, and the capability of machines to appreciate art. That, plus the monstrous cliff hanger we are left with...
The movie has some massive flaws, but the ending makes up for all of it. I loved that they really went through with judgement day actually happening. And the scenery of nuking the world with that music and the sight of our blue planet has a sad beauty to it i've never seen before.
@@schnubbel76 if anyting, the great ending makes the rest worse, becasue such a great ending is ruined on such a bad movie. Could have been a great movie, becasue endings are hard, and they nailed the ending. Getting there should have been the easy part. The director messed up MASSIVELY by overplaying the jokes and goofy tone.
@@zombiesingularity I wouldn’t say t3 sucked just not anywhere near as good as the first two terminator films wich gg’s e people highly hopes after loving the first two to watch this one . Over time people learned to appreciate the movie alone for what it was rather then trying to connect it from the last two . And after T1 & T2 , T3 was definitely the most decent one after the first two as the rest after T3 went way down in the ditch & didnt give off any vibes of watching a terminator movie especially without Arnold and in his younger badass times in character on screen
With all the success that T2 had ('an understatement), the fans still wanted T3. Even after the ending (sad as it was), people were curious to see how the future could play out. It was originally planned as an prequel about the final assault on SKYNET, before Reese was sent back through time after the original T-800 and John knew that Reese was his father retroactively. Arnold was age 55 at the time of filming, earned $25 mil as the biggest check paid to an movie star ever and reshaped his body with the classic workouts that made him an bodybuilding legend. This was the last film he would make before becoming governor of California. A decade later; he was back with The Last Stand and Escape Plan (2013), Sabotage (2014) and Maggie (2015).
The whole chase scene with the heavy equipment truck, was furnished by Arnold because he really wanted it in the movie to be big time scene for the movie. With a lot of practical effects.
Specifically, he paid for them to demolish a building in the scene where the Terminator gets dragged thru a building. It cost $1m and the studio didn't think it was necessary (it's not, lol) but he wanted it in so he paid for it.
Yea the ending is fantastic. I still don’t know how the hell this movie looks waaaaaay cheaper than the previous two. Whole budget must’ve went to Arnold
maybe but i doubt they would have remembered it to not react to it. No way as an adult I would watch part 3 or a movie if I didnt see part 1 or 2. As a kid/teen i could have seen part 3 without part 1 or 2 but I would have forgotten a lot if I chose to become a reactor and did youtube.
I didn't expect this one to rate very high for you both. I enjoyed it a lot. I think it's fair to say that Kristanna Loken was not quite on par with Robert Patrick. I would agree that no one will really come close to matching his intimidating presense from the 2nd film. I did think she did well though. As for a female terminator, I don't think it really matters if they are male or female. There's reaally no reason there couldn't be female terminators. I personally think that a female terminator doesn't have to only be the flirty infiltration unit. I rather liked the use of a femal terminator in this being much more powerful than the male one, especially one such as Arnold. Also the fact that Judgement Day was only stalled and not prevented,is not a cop out Holden. As the Terminator said, Judgement Day is inevitable. The reason is due to the events of the first movie. I also think you sort touched on this in the first one. John was born because Skynet sent a terminator back to go after Sara Connor to prevent his birth, so a guardian was sent back that would be John's Dad. John couldn't exist without this first action on Skynet's behalf. The question is would Skynet still "be" if he had died prior to when he was to become the hero of the resistance. It's a loop. I personally don't think there was ever any stopping Judgement day. Postponing it sure, but stopped completely. No. Not with how John Connor came to born. I don't think there was any stopping it. And it's funny to think that really, if Skynet hadn't sent back a terminator to go after Sara, John might never have been. However going back to what I said earlier, would Skynet still "be"?
I agree that judgment day is inevitable sortof, but not because of the first movie. But T2 only undid the chip from the first movie. Whatever caused skynet and judgement day originally was never really touched upon. So it would still happend.
Too bad the first female terminator was evil. We had to wait until Terminator: Dark Fate for a good female Terminator. Then again, what if a TX had been reprogrammed by the Resistance and sent back in time? That would’ve given the Resistance an edge against Skynet.
I don't know just my opinion but I liked her more than him she killed somebody at work through the drive-thru she killed a teenage kid at home in real life you will be scared if she was coming at you I just feel like it's because she's a female and no one wants to give her her flowers
I dont like the fatalistic, nihilistic message of the movie, so yeah it very much feels like a cop out the sense that there is no hope for change of ones predicament actually contradicting T2 Theme and message. Kristiana Loken doesnt come off as intimidating, mostly because of the tone of the movie even Arnold was hard to take it seriously. A female terminator using flirtation as a weapon is what makes sense in the context , otherwise there would be no point to have a hot female terminator in the first place, the reason they look like human beings is to pass incognito long enough to kill their targets after all. I also disliked very much how they portrayed john Connor in this, he was more capable, competent, and with better emotional grip, as a 12 years old, in comparison to this version. Probably very badly miscast, but i also think it was poorly written, maybe to give Claire character the stage and importance instead i guess. Which is another gripe for me considering the overall story of the first two terminator movies.
One fun fact is that Adam Savage from From Mythbusters worked on some of the practical effects for this movie while at ILM. He worked on the particle accelerator conduit where the female terminator gets stuck by the massive electromagnetic field of the conduit. The actor who played John Connor in this movie also played the creepy molester in Sin City.
Yeah, on the scene where Arnold is hanging off the hook of the massive truck, a large chunk was practical, so they only had one take on the part where it tears through half a dozen buildings, from what I recall of the behind the scenes stuff I saw.
When T3 came out on DVD, the extra features had a scene played like a presentation video of the development of the Terminator cyborg design, Arnold played sergeant William Candy with a southern accent, kind of a funny bit :D
When this movie came out, I thought it was pretty bad. As I've watched it a few more times over the years, I've come to appreciate it more. The latter third of the movie takes on a more serious and darker tone, culminating in a dark fate for humanity. Yes, I went there. Lol.😂 If only the entire movie would have had that tone. If you're going to do T3 ROTM, you might as well do Terminator Salvation now. The R rated or director's cut is best, and it has that dark tone all the way through. It's actually pretty good, in my opinion.
So glad you guys reacted to this one. So many other channels quit after 2. T3 is clearly not as good as the first two films, but that isn't really a fair comparison. Hard to measure up to perfection. I liked the inevitability of judgement day and I thought the ending was unexpected and ballsy. Nick Stahl was great and frankly Edward Furlong just did not grow up into a leading man type so this was a good move. Arnold was great and I thought Kristanna Loken was decent. Again it's hard to top Robert Patrick so think it was smart to just be different and maybe a little funny with the TX but also creepy at times. It's not like there wasn't humor in T2. I especially liked the action sequences and my favorite aspect is how well they convey the weight of the T-800. Definitely the weakest of the first three films, but entertaining and a good set up for salvation which I think is really good. 7/10.
The guy who played John Connor in this movie was also played the main character in the series Carnivale. Only ran for 2 seasons, but it is an awesome series
I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, it was nowhere near as deep or heavy as the first two, but it was alot of fun, I liked the story, I loved the powers T-X had, I loved the concept of Judgment day happening in front of us. It's all around a good movie and a fun watch! 🥰👍
It's a good 'alternate timeline' where Judgement Day only can be postponed. I mean each movie can sorta be seen as their own timeline. Pre-T1 timeline has Skynet send back a terminator to try and kill Sarah Connor before John is born. Then T1 Skynet in the future from that timeline learns it's prior attempt with one terminator in 1984 failed, so it sends it's T-1000 prototype to 1991 as well as a contingency. T3 is where both prior attempts were learned to have failed so another TDE facility is used to send back the T-X. It could sorta make sense with it being a change upon change with each successive timeline repeat, so to speak. Compounding changes.
This was the First terminator film I saw in theaters. I grew up watching T1 & T2 on vhs. I have good memories of watching this one. Please continue the marathon! Salvation is actually really underrated.
I have seen both T1 & the T2 film years back on telly first with my GrandDad and my parents (then in the year 2021 after that again on TV) which were GREAT. Rise Of The Machines (which also is underrated and heavily critised for the "not so good" effects which AREN'T as bad as people say for it's day) was decent!! Both T GENESIS and T Salvation are indeed good films and are highly underrated. Also Dark Fate was BORING and I wish that movie was never made
This is the first ever Terminator I have watched. My dad brought the CDs home in 2005 when I was just 8. Didn't really get the concepts of the movie as a kid, but I now see the themes. Awesome reaction
Anton Yelchin is great, and I love how the movie starts. Sam Worthington is okay in it, too, even though this was the era where I guess "generic white guy" was very in demand in movies and video games. The "twist" and the fact that John doesn't play a huge role in it kind of bog it down though.
@@aarons.2323 In the original script for Salvation, John Conner was going to be a background character, almost mythical or mysterious, and was maybe going to be in one or two scenes. Christian Bale wanted to play the character and they expanded the role. I think it's two good different movies trying to be the same movie. There was probably a better movie there without Conner as a key character and a better movie with Conner as the lead. They took the middle ground and maybe messed up the story in the process. But with that said, I really like the movie still. It's a darker tone and the cast is great.
I liked it too but I hated how there was still a daytime in it it just didn’t make any sense… the reason why during all the “flashbacks” you’d see of the future war that it seemed like everything took place at night was bc of the nuclear winter that would definitely occur after a nuclear blast… the radioactive ash would block out any sunlight for decades and I didn’t like that for some reason it was still sunny during the movie
It felt generic and forgettable for me. Crazy fact that the guy who directed Terminator Salvation is the same guy who directed the first two Charlie's Angels movies (McG)! Salvation is his weakest movie.
I Love the end and the slow realization that the bunker they were lead to was just a bunker and they were basically trapped and helpless to stop judgement day. The missles launching and hitting over John's speech, with the poignant music, was excellent. They failed, and John couldn't avoid his destiny. It hit me and the theater I watched in Hard! Very gutsy choice
But the tonal feel of every single terminator movie prior was about how there was a destiny of a potential future. even Kyle says 'one POSSIBLE future' when Sarah asks if the 'gunman' is a robot from the future with disbelief. It's like a prophecy that states 'should judgement day happen, John Connor will lead the human resistance to victory'. Not that 'Judgement Day is Inevitable' because about fighting against that predestined horror of a future and have the small successes. Such as the first movie is where Skynet's plot to kill Sarah in the past prior to John's birth is stopped and the future as seen earlier can happen as it should, possibly with an advantage to humanity cuz pre-knowledge and a chance to better prepare... and Skynet also accidentally ending up having the original T-800 leave behind what is needed to ensure that Skynet gets created in the first place, somewhat levelling the playing field to status quo once again. T-2 is all about 'well what if WE take the active role to try and change the future', and they seemingly succeed. I dun mind that Judgement Day is a danger that might happen cuz 'natural technological progress' itself, but that it's inevitable is just not what the core idea of it was or should ever be.
If you two are going to go full Terminator, you ought to watch "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" as well. I think that this movie has the "Godfather Part III" problem; it isn't bad, but it feels that way because the first two films were so much better.
The things I liked in this: - John without a purpose, running - the idea of a female terminator - the action scenes - I love that one scene with Dr. Silberman :D - Kate as future wife, and the Terminator who killed John - Judgment day is inevitable - Skynet becomes self-aware - John and Kate realising they were sent to the bunker to survive, not to shut down Skynet - John's ending speech The things I didn't like: - the female terminator was presented to look sexy for the male viewers, but she never took advantage of her appearance and no character ever reacted to her looks - some of the humor was off (although T2 was the first to add humor to the franchise, and I didn't like some of those, too) - the lore and the timeline gets kinda messy All in all, I like this movie even though it's not even close to the previous movies. Same goes for Salvation, by the way. Anyway, I can imagine that some of the problems in this one were the result of several rewrites of the script. I haven't looked into it, but my theory is that they probably had the idea of a female terminator early on and they were planning to use her looks to make her a silent assassin rather than the brute killing machine. But I guess later they realised that "wait... we won't have epic action scenes with that concept! Scratch that! But let's keep the breast enlargement scene in for male viewers. Fans of the Terminator are likely to be mostly men, right?" Also, the fact that T2 was even a bigger financial success than T1 was, and T2 introduced humor to the franchise, they probably thought: "hey, let's add in more funny stuff, the fans loved those in T2, right?" In the end, I think the main takeaway is that without the original creator's input, filmmakers are mostly clueless and they inevitably mess some things up.
Spot on. Honestly if they did a special cut of this movie with a lot of the stuff with the TX removed and replaced with some more eerie scenes of her just being emotionless and the humor overall toned way down I think it would be vastly improved. The only thing missing then would be some sort of Sarah Connor cameo, could even just be while he talks about her at the cemetery. It's a real shame they didn't do the Salvation with the same cast because that also would've elevated this movie.
I also like T3, one of the biggest issues i had with it was the casting of John Connor. I dont think this actor was a good choice for it. Kristina Lokken as TX was the bomb, i can understand your critique about her though.
You know what? Most people say this is their least favorite Terminator movie. But there is one thing that will make me never forget this movie... The BALLS!! The sheer *BALLS* !! Like, the shivers, I remember having watching this for the first time. I remember having a discussion about this exact thing with my best movie friend just the other day. He said he felt betrayed seeing the ending. I on the other hand felt mind-fucked. Like, I couldn't believe what was happening on screen! LOVE this film's ending!!!..... 👍👍👍
I never agreed with or understood any of the backlash that T3 got. I always thought the female terminator and explanation of how the defense system became self-aware were quite effective. And the crane chase scene was incredible. But most importantly, the ending with Connor stepping into his role and finally becoming the person he always was meant to be; while judgment day was occurring with missiles raining down on the earth that all of our protagonists had wanted to prevent throughout the entire Terminator story with a huge reveal that it never could have been prevented, was especially moving. The heroes failed their ultimate mission (which is so rare to see in any film, TV, or literature for that matter). But the next chapter was beginning. That the terminator deceived them into safety so they could start that next chapter, under the guise of helping them to stop judgment day, was a great added touch. I did miss Sarah in this movie. But even that made sense and didn't negatively affect the movie much. So was T3 as good as T1 or 2? No. But was it an effective well executed movie in its own right. And a fitting, well done, very memorable closing chapter of the trilogy for me? Absolutely. It's the Return of the Jedi to ANH and ESB of the Terminator franchise. Only overshadowed due to the brilliance of its predecessors. But it didn't make me enjoy, appreciate, and love ROTJ or T3 any less.
I think only the ending is good. The action is fine but overall the film is trying to do the exact same things as T2 but in a worse way especially with John and Catherine being miscast and not having good dialogue
I love this movie! It does what each movie has done and takes what was best in the previous ones and builds something new and I think it's just as good as the previous two!
Yeah it's not as good as the last two but that can be expected. It is a fun movie to watch regardless so I always recommend this for UA-camrs to continue the series. I think with the right cast it would have been awesome. I'm still glad you two checked this movie out. Great job viewing this for your own opinion. That's what makes you guys so awesome! Fantastic review.
When the pickup hits the side of the building it runs directly into the rear of another car and yet THAT car is pushed perfectly aside in a straight line. It's not thrown off angle, it doesn't bounce, it's not spun out like it should be, or anything. It's perfectly plain to see that some machine yanked it directly away at a 90 degree angle.
T3 is definitely a good terminator movie and one of my favorites the ending is definitely the highlight of this sequel because it pulls the rug from underneath you. I’m happy to see reaction videos on this terminator sequel.
I was 8 years old when I first saw it in theaters. I even went to the 3D experience at Universal Studios. Out of all the Terminator films, 1-3 is the best.
Ohhh yeah!!! It was you who were wondering about the keys in the visor thing being common. Actually, it kinda was back in the day. Cause them older cars came with AT LEAST 2 different keys. 1 to unlock the car, 1 to start the car and sometimes another key for the trunk. So you could leave your key to star the car inside and lock it.
Good for you two for doing this. So few do. I personally liked it a lot. And I think you might too if you are not too tainted by its bad reviews. As to James Cameron, he is good at making the first sequel but his own sequel for this franchise, DARK FATE.
17:38 The doctor is actually the same one from Terminator 2. The one that Sarah Connor held hostage in the psych ward and who saw the T-1000 and T-101 fighting. That's why he ran away as soon as he recognized the T-101.
3 isn't terrible. It still uses practical effects. Has some good action and decent moments and of course the Ending is actually unexpected and amazing, probably the best part of the whole film. Compared to what came after, T3 is decent compared to say Gensys and Dark Fate. EDIT: Talk about timing. They literally showed T3 a few hours later after you uploaded here on TV where I live. That's such perfect randomness lol.
If I remember correctly, that crane sequence cost around $12-$15 million to shoot and originally the producers wanted that sequence removed during production. Arnold pushed to keep it in and put up around $1.5 million of his own money to make sure that it was included. Mind you, Arnold received almost $30 million to reprise his role in the film. Also, not long after the movie was released, Arnold became Governor of California and actively began campaigning against violence in video games (not movies, mind you). A week prior to his becoming Governor, the similarly-named Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (the first of three video games based on Terminator 3) was released, where you play as Arnold's Terminator blasting away other Terminators.
I'm pleased to see a reaction to this one. Everyone stops reacting to the series at Judgment Day. I kind of get why, it is such a good movie that probably no sequel can ever live up to it. Not even if they were actually good. 😀 But in retrospect I think this might actually be still the best of all the sequels we got so far and is a decent action movie.
The Blond terminator that you get introduced to is played by Kristanna Loken. she is best known for playing BloodRayne and a new character called Taja in Mortal Kombat Konquest. Also that's another series you should watch. At least the pilot anyway.
My favorite is Salvation. Even though salvation mostly takes its beats from T-1 I do like how it encorporates T-3 plot elements to make it an even more cohesive story with John almost dying because of the T-101, because in T-3 we are told John dies from the 101 model, but Marcus sacrfices himself to save him. They also took the part of them slowing judgment day into account and made where John isn't the resistance leader until after salvation ends. Probably because all of his generals he was supposed to be with in the bunker with were killed. Salvation is underated and honestly manages to tie in points from the previous 3 movies making it very concise overall. I cant really see plotholes in the movie and I think people really need to watch T-1 to enjoy it since it has an insane amount of callbacks to T-1 but overall I think it was a great continuation. Top 3 of terminator movies in my opinion.
I like terminator salvation also you make great points in your comment about terminator 3 and terminator salvation which are two of my favorite terminator sequels.
I'm one of those "Terminator 3 is good" people. Yeah, I like this movie. I've never understood why people say it's bad. For me, it's the natural continuation of the story. Thumbs up.
On it’s own it’s not bad. When compared to the other two it obviously falls short I think that’s what most people do is immediately compared to the other ones
Personally I think T3 is very underrated. It's sad that this film either gets outright dumped on or the whole "its not as good as 1 or 2 thus deserves no recognition". I think there are 2 main flaws with T3. The first is going too overboard on the comedy which also reduces how intimidating the TX could have been. I really think its the comedy and not the actress to blame on that. They should have made sure every time she appears she is unsettling. The second is killing Sarah Connor off screen. If nothing else they should have had a flashback since a mere cameo with Linda Hamilton would have appeased a lot of fans. As far as it being made just to cash in that's probably true at the time. That said I don't think it does an injustice to T2's ending at all. If you look at how scary fast AI is developing right now then the whole idea that judgement day is inevitable should be very believable to you. You can't stop the march of progress, it makes absolute sense that they only delayed it. I think it was a smart way of doing it and the movie leaves John exactly where he needs to be for the future war.
No, I think you’re just infatuated with the word “underrated” like everybody else is on UA-cam. T3 made $450 million at the box office. Making it the 7th highest grossing movie of 2003, I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but it’s completely fabricated. Will everybody please shut up about labeling so many things as “underrated!” It’s annoying as hell
@@nsasupporter7557 No I think you just can't read. Underrated has nothing to do with how much money it made. When its talked about it's usually undeserved negativity, that by definition is what makes it underrated. It also has a 6 on IMDB which again is undeserved, it should at least be in the 7 range especially now people have seen how bad the more recent films are. You know what's annoying as hell? When people respond to something they clearly didn't read. Everything I said is pure opinion. That's where I got my information from and had you bothered to read it before having a tantrum you'd know that. If someone calling a movie underrated, rightfully in this case, and it gets you that annoyed then clearly you haven't got enough problems in your life.
@@EmpyreanDreamer thanks for proving my point that you’re just obsessed with the word underrated! Lol 😂 Pathetically making excuses to use the word. How much money it made has alot to do with whether or not it was underrated! Why don’t you start a cult where you can worship the word “underrated”
It's definitely not as good as the first two but it's not the worst in the series. Interested to see what you guys think about salvation. Have fun and thanks for the content.
I was really hoping Salvation was gonna be an actual war movie but was really disappointed when I saw that it wasn't. an actual story of a terminator war movie was stated by Kyle Reese in Terminator 1 and if you model it after Saving Private Ryan, we have a hell of a war movie.
@@t_jello420 It can still be done, someone just has to get the fucking balls to fucking make the damn thing. It would be a blockbuster hit. The premise is so simple: A young fighter in The Resistance battles Skynet self-aware killing machines, helping to take control of a TDE (time displacement equipment) lab complex and is sent back in time to save Sarah Connor from being killed by a T-101. But have we gotten that, no. we get shit like Dark Fate.
@@rwwilson21 agreed, such a simple premise with great potential... It's kind of like going back and telling the story of rogue one, we knew what happened, just not how.
@@t_jello420 Yeah, the story of Rogue one was right in front of EVERYONE for what, 35-36 years(when it comes to someone finally started to write it.), with the first two paragraphs of the opening crawl of a new hope. insane.
Salvation is a one off, Genisys kind of is too. Dark Fate is really good and has the OG Sarah Connor in it. It’s supposed to be kind of a sequel to 2 since the three in between were duds.
Even Genisys is better than Dark Fate. I find it funny that people still shit on T3 and JC himself treats it like it doesn't exist yet Dark Fate is what you get if you take T2, remove its soul and make it woke.
@@peterlenham3180 I had so many theories of what this film was going to be. Im like if you kill off other shitty movies to make this a direct sequel to T2 it better be fuckin good because you only get one chance to correct it. Came out worse than T3 T_T. Only way to fix this franchise is to go back to the basics. Reboot with a lower budget like T1 and turn it back into a horror film without arnold as the T101
"I don't recognize this actor" How could you not know the world famous Kristanna Loken. According to Imdb she's known for T3, In the Name of the King (yep still considered a movie by imdb) and Bloodrayne. Both Name of the King and Bloodrayne are Uwe Boll "movies" that are "based" on games, maybe it's time to introduce him to you both. Personally I remember Loken from the hit Sci Fi (before the rebrand to Syfy it's so long ago) show Painkiller Jane, based on the hit Marvel Comic Painkiller Jane.
Many people just didn't like it… You know what I don't even know why they hated it just doesn't make any sense. This was a good movie. 17:40 Also, he was the doctor from the first and second Terminator 23:14 if you look closely at these robots, they have T- and a number in a way you could say they're the first terminators, and they look a lot like the giant tanks that roll around in the future the same goes for the aircraft
The very first time I watched T2, I was already predicting that they didn't stop Judgement Day. I said then that they had only delayed it, because eventually the technology would be developed no matter what, resulting in the same outcome as far as the Lore of the film is concerned. I had felt a bit justified in my prediction after this film came out.
There is still a key component missing. There was a deleted scene called "Sgt Candy" if you can find it, be sure to check it out. It explains so much...
I feel you about Claire Danes. Don't care much for her acting and movies. But I feel like Brokedown Palace is a REALLY underrated movie that people should watch at least once. Kate Beckinsale is in it and she kinda saves the movie.
I haven't seen this in YEARS. I remember it came out when I was like 6 and I was excited. Looking over to my dad, he was SO disappointed and I was so confused 😂
Never clicked on reaction so fast. T3 is the most underrated sequel in my book but I have fond memories of it as it was the first Terminator instalment I got to see on the silver screen.
I watched the first two Terminator reactions and when I saw you were doing this one and then started watching and you announced you were doing all of them, I immediately subscribed. I’m so friggin pumped for the rest. Especially Dark Fate.
I understand reasons for and against but T3 is still my favorite of all time. change in main actors can be difficult but the story, backstory, action, Jon’s reveal to his future wife, his sacrifice and living off the grid prior to judgement day, all setup for expectations for the day; when all stones are turned many wanted to see Jon’s destiny be fulfilled and how it would play out; levity and portent were what set this movie above the others; it was really Jon’s reprise to his future in leadership and learning to live with his destiny
You mentioned Arnold was paid a lot- Arnold was paid so much, in fact, that during the crane scene he insisted they destroy an actual structure instead of relying on cheaper methods so he paid to have a building built they could obliterate.
I like ALL of the Terminator-2 sequels and usually for different reasons. They have aspects they nailed and aspects they miss. I enjoy them all and think they all have compelling ideas. Terminator 3 probably aged the worst for me of all the sequels but I still like the movie. And the practical stunts are really good. There is a lot of CGI in the movie too but I don't think the movie over-used CGI at all. They did a lot of stuff practically that many filmmakers in the early 2000s would have settled with CGI. I personally was happy they kept making sequels to The Terminator because they are fun and it makes you appreciate how Terminator 2 somehow made a lot of the elements work perfectly in the same movie.
the doctor who treats claire danes in the ambulance is the doctor who watched sarah connor, which is why he tells her that it took him so long to get over a similar situation.
Dogs are not fooled by Terminators and are used as "warnings" for approaching Terminators, which is why they are frequently barking in the background when a Terminator is around. You see it here, as well as in T1 and T2 (John Conner explains the dogs in T1).
Interesting how Jen had an issue in the beginning with the female sexual undertones that were clearly written to shine a light on the issue of female sexualization, but then had no problems whatsoever with the actual male sexual undertones that followed immediately after.
Not as good as the first two, but still better than the haters give it credit for, in my opinion, plus it has one of the greatest chase scenes ever filmed. You can forget about the rest of the films, though.
Critics gave this film 3 out of 4 stars, I like this one due to its origin story and gave some really good background on John and how he would start the resistance. Killing off his first lieutenants was the sad part, but more would rise in their stead. The origin of Cyberdyne Systems and Skynet was really interesting.
This film is pretty entertaining and fun to watch. Of course, Terminator & T2 set the bar really high. Why so many reactors think that Arnold is the same character? It was always obvious to me that in the future there are maybe thousands just like him for infiltration missions. EDIT: her hair doesn't get messed up because is liquid metal!
The ending fit the series and universe perfectly. The ladies night scene was an inside joke apparently. While filming the opening scene in T2 a woman walked into the bar they were using not realizing they were filming; she saw naked Arnold and asked what was going on. His response “It’s stripper night”
I saw this in the theater when it came out in 2003. My friend and I both took our wives, who neither like Terminator, but they were willing to do a "guy's movie" too. By the end of the film (with a nearly full theater), both of our wives were in stunned silence - as was everyone else - at the realization of how the ending was unrolling. We're trained as movie watchers that the good guys always disarm the bomb and save the day with seconds to spare. This time, none of that happens, and I give the writers, producers, and director a ton of credit for having the guts to make THIS ending. The movie itself was fairly run-of-the-mill, but to me, having the guts to pull off that ending is what elevates this film (IMO) a little higher than most will rate it. I rate it 7.5 out of 10.
I agree, I was kinda meh about the movie the whole way through, especially considering they literally erased Sarah Connor. Until the ending, where they truly did something different and unexpected. You watch the characters try and try and fight to prevent this during the entirety of the story, you expect John Connor and yknow, Schwarzy to win, but at the end, they lose. For a movie dating back to 2003, that's a true dare!
@@MARYWTHER 2005 the fog was a true dare.
but this movie gets to much hate. the plot is fitting. Action is amazing. its only laking the robot humen interaction, like arnold with edward furlong.
still i am fine with this movie as a sequel especialy when you compare it with the dogshit trash of the later movies in the series.
The thing was that I kinda expected them to end it this way back in 2003. So my problem was that the execution of the idea wasn't very compelling. And I chalk that up to the fact that John and Kate had no impact on the end result one way or the other. They could've kept on heading in the direction that Arnie was taking them, and things would have played out exactly the same. PERHAPS the ending could've worked better if their arrival at CRS actually caused Kate's father to launch Skynet somehow. That sort of causality loop would give the ending a bit more weight instead of making the heroes into little more than interactive audience members.
I had this movie on VHS as a kid and watched the heck out of it. I LOVE this film and I never understood the hate for it.
The ending is great and elevates the movie. Although in retrospect it somewhat contradicts the theme of T2... In that one, future is what we make of it, thus it is never written and always in Flux... It depends of our choices. This one says that the future *is* set in stone and it will always happen one way even if we fight it. It's even heavily implied that John being the first boy she ever kissed was already destiny at work. So, yeah.
A lot of people think this movie is bad but I always really liked it.
The beginning and ending of this movie are really cool and still gives me goosebumps
I don't care what anyone says T3 is a lot of fun.
Yes I've actually come to appreciate it over the years.
For me, this is where the franchise turns south.
It's decent, and fun enough. T4 is the absolute worst in the series, at least for my money.
@@MichaelGMunz T5 was just as bad and i didn’t even waste my time on Dark Fate
Fair Enough! Movies are subjective..I have liked a lot of movies that people hate and i dont care..you like what you like...
I watched this movie in theaters when I was a kid. Growing up I really enjoyed this movie a lot. When I got older it blew my mind that so many people really hated this movie. Even now as an adult, I still really enjoy this movie, despite noticing a few of the things that bugged me. I do think they should have stopped the series after T2 but I still really liked this movie.
after Salvation everthing is garbage for me
Genisys and Dark Fate were pure cash grab
I also really like this movie. I even enjoy the 4th. I think I saw the 4th one after the open ended ending of the series that I just made it the ending of the show so I really liked it.
The plot was just a rehash of T2, but it's still fun movie regardless
Always enjoyed this one - there's only a trilogy as far as I'm concerned, can't stand the ones after this
Literally exact same sentiment. I was 12 when this came out. Definitely not a bad movie at all
T3 and Salvation are a very underrated movies, and close successfully the arc of the franchise. Sadly Salvation don't have a sequel.
the political correct movies are trash
It is a pity that didn't make two Terminators movies after Salvation to continue on and finish the franchise once and for all, instead rebooting, twice.
The Terminator franchise would have been like the original *Planet of the Ape* series. The last movie in the franchise becomes prequel to the first movie. Uroboros movie franchise.
@@Renegade2786 I agree, the last movies (Genesys and Dark Fate) are very bad ones and they recycle the wasted plot of the time travels
@@abrahamdiaz3648 do you know what’s overrated?… saying “underrated!” Stop saying “underrated.” That word is literally dead because it’s so overused and misused constantly
@@nsasupporter7557 Are you seriously going through all the comment threats calling people out for this? How sad are you man. Your commitment to something so pathetic is underrated.
Having the ending with judgement day was a huge bonus for this film. Seeing it happen after 3 movies of trying to avoid it was satisfying
The irony of the time travel in this series is that every time a Terminator goes to the past to change the past, it locks into place a future where that Terminator has to be able to exist in order to come back and change it. Its like self fulfilling proficy..
The war in the future that lead to destroying the core facility of Skynet is what causes Skynet as a last desperate measure to send a robot agent back in specific time to ensure its existence as a branch in timeline right before it gets conquered by the resistance. Thus the cycle repeats but not necessarily as a single loop rather a branching spiral that never stops.
One theory about time travel is that it's impossible to go back in time because of the paradoxes it creates. You can't go back in time because you already weren't there at the time you want to go to. Instead, what you're doing is going to an alternate universe inside of the infinite multiverse, that's nearly identical to our own, except that you actually were at the time you want to travel to. Anything you do won't affect the timeline in your original universe, but if you stay in the new one you can see how events will play out if you change things.
When you apply this idea to the Terminator franchise it leads to some interesting ideas. For one, the original John Connor that sends Kyle Reese back in time isn't fathered by Kyle, and his mother never actually dealt with a Terminator. Instead he was likely fathered during a one-night stand that Sarah had when her and Ginger went out, which is what probably would have happened if not for the Terminator and Kyle's interference that night. Another is that it could explain why John Connor is played by a different actor in every movie. They're each a Connor from a different universe so they each look different depending on what is different in that particular universe.
@@SunwardRanger83 Yeah, there are several theories about how time travel works. The one that is probably the most annoying is that a different chain of events doesn't necessarily lead to a paradox. Its like someone recorded a movie on VHS, went back to the beginning, and recorded something else over half the movie. And yest SOMEHOW what ever is suppose to happen in the second half of the movie, STILL happens. Like fate is so strong, that you can make changes to the past, and some things might still be different, but things that have to happen, will..no matter what.
Details may change, but history/time itself seem to auto-correct the timeline, at least so key-moments are retained. Judgement Day might be delayable but perhaps that's not something you'd want, since Skynet will have a technological development advantage, or perhaps people that should have survived in 1997 when the bombs fell have different lives now and the bombs that fall in 2004 kills people that would otherwise have been alive, etc. etc.
A lot of the Dark Horse Comics have 'what if' scenarios of defunct timelines showing what happened if small things were changed, or like if John had been killed in T2... Sarah might have gone full cruel-technophobic and have the arnie-terminator aid her and they lead the resistance as a duo - all of it ending with skynet and the resistance both wiping eachother out.
Leave first one alone it was a paradox don't need sequels salvation was ok would been better sequal
Salvation is one of my favourites because for 3 films we hear and see very little about what the future is actually like, it’s a bit of pay off for waiting all that time!
I like it becasue it's actually tried something new and i think it was allright except the CGI Arnold. That was really unnecessary. Sitting in a solid 3rd place in the franchise ( this being 4th and lets not talk about the rest )
Salvation annoys me, it uses bullets instead of lasers. The whole point they use lasers in future scenes of T1/T2 is because bullets are not effective against machines!
Showing the future is such a mistake, it'd be like showing Jaws in every scene of that movie. The future is for your imagination, not to show and tell you how it is.
@@zombiesingularity Wasn't that explained by the fact that Cyberdyne designed the plasma weapons and the future of Cyberdyne was slighty changed due to the events of T2. And Salvation was also set several years before the events of the future scenes in T1 and T2.
@zombiesingularity it was only 2018. It was just the beginning of the future war. They were gonna get to laser weapons eventually but they didn't get to finish the trilogy
I really liked the Sarah Conner Chronicles TV show back in the day, John's character is pretty good in it, there's a female terminator (played by my long time celeb crush, Summer Glau) that is done pretty well, and Lena Headey (Cercei in GoT) as Sarah is fantastic.
Aye, a great series with some good acting talent in it ... and yet again another good sci-fi show canned just as it got going! Now we can't move for sci-fi and, sadly, some of it runs for many seasons whilst being utterly terrible (no prizes for guessing who is in my sights there!). Back in the before time we got very little and so much that we did get was actually good because it had to be!
the show was amazing and the way season 2 ended...we could have had such a midblowing season 3
Also the Sarah Conner Chronicles concludes the story of the police psychologist.
I left them a comment about that in the last episode. They really should check it out
I love the show! It introduces so many new ideas like the machines with their own motivations besides those of Skynet, the sexual tension possible between man and machine, the possibility of different futures, and the capability of machines to appreciate art. That, plus the monstrous cliff hanger we are left with...
The movie has some massive flaws, but the ending makes up for all of it. I loved that they really went through with judgement day actually happening. And the scenery of nuking the world with that music and the sight of our blue planet has a sad beauty to it i've never seen before.
The ending absolutely does NOT make up for it. The ending is great, but T3 stll sucks over all, it's not saved by the ending.
@@zombiesingularity If you say so... 🤷🏻♂️
@@schnubbel76 if anyting, the great ending makes the rest worse, becasue such a great ending is ruined on such a bad movie. Could have been a great movie, becasue endings are hard, and they nailed the ending. Getting there should have been the easy part. The director messed up MASSIVELY by overplaying the jokes and goofy tone.
@@zombiesingularity Well ok then. 🙂
@@zombiesingularity I wouldn’t say t3 sucked just not anywhere near as good as the first two terminator films wich gg’s e people highly hopes after loving the first two to watch this one . Over time people learned to appreciate the movie alone for what it was rather then trying to connect it from the last two . And after T1 & T2 , T3 was definitely the most decent one after the first two as the rest after T3 went way down in the ditch & didnt give off any vibes of watching a terminator movie especially without Arnold and in his younger badass times in character on screen
With all the success that T2 had ('an understatement), the fans still wanted T3.
Even after the ending (sad as it was), people were curious to see how the future could play out.
It was originally planned as an prequel about the final assault on SKYNET, before Reese was sent back through time after the original T-800 and John knew that Reese was his father retroactively.
Arnold was age 55 at the time of filming, earned $25 mil as the biggest check paid to an movie star ever and reshaped his body with the classic workouts that made him an bodybuilding legend.
This was the last film he would make before becoming governor of California.
A decade later; he was back with
The Last Stand and Escape Plan (2013), Sabotage (2014) and Maggie (2015).
He did make a cameo in the rundown starring the rock in 2007 with a passing of the torch kind of.
The whole chase scene with the heavy equipment truck, was furnished by Arnold because he really wanted it in the movie to be big time scene for the movie. With a lot of practical effects.
Specifically, he paid for them to demolish a building in the scene where the Terminator gets dragged thru a building. It cost $1m and the studio didn't think it was necessary (it's not, lol) but he wanted it in so he paid for it.
The ending speech is still A-tier
The only good part of the movie lol
Yea the ending is fantastic. I still don’t know how the hell this movie looks waaaaaay cheaper than the previous two. Whole budget must’ve went to Arnold
Yes agreed, mediocre movie still better than Ginasys!
I really like this one - very underrated, such a brave move for the ending.
The cemetary scene with the coffin on the shoulder is the best scene.
Glad you guys watched T3. Saw it in theatres opening night.
Loved the chase scene, and was impressed by Arnold's physique at 55 (I believe).
Thanks Holden and Jen. ❤❤
There aren't many UA-camrs reacting to this movie. People always leave this forgotten, as if it didn't exist. 😅
Maybe those people have already seen it
maybe but i doubt they would have remembered it to not react to it. No way as an adult I would watch part 3 or a movie if I didnt see part 1 or 2. As a kid/teen i could have seen part 3 without part 1 or 2 but I would have forgotten a lot if I chose to become a reactor and did youtube.
I didn't expect this one to rate very high for you both. I enjoyed it a lot. I think it's fair to say that Kristanna Loken was not quite on par with Robert Patrick. I would agree that no one will really come close to matching his intimidating presense from the 2nd film. I did think she did well though. As for a female terminator, I don't think it really matters if they are male or female. There's reaally no reason there couldn't be female terminators. I personally think that a female terminator doesn't have to only be the flirty infiltration unit. I rather liked the use of a femal terminator in this being much more powerful than the male one, especially one such as Arnold.
Also the fact that Judgement Day was only stalled and not prevented,is not a cop out Holden. As the Terminator said, Judgement Day is inevitable. The reason is due to the events of the first movie. I also think you sort touched on this in the first one. John was born because Skynet sent a terminator back to go after Sara Connor to prevent his birth, so a guardian was sent back that would be John's Dad. John couldn't exist without this first action on Skynet's behalf. The question is would Skynet still "be" if he had died prior to when he was to become the hero of the resistance. It's a loop. I personally don't think there was ever any stopping Judgement day. Postponing it sure, but stopped completely. No. Not with how John Connor came to born. I don't think there was any stopping it. And it's funny to think that really, if Skynet hadn't sent back a terminator to go after Sara, John might never have been. However going back to what I said earlier, would Skynet still "be"?
I agree that judgment day is inevitable sortof, but not because of the first movie. But T2 only undid the chip from the first movie. Whatever caused skynet and judgement day originally was never really touched upon. So it would still happend.
Too bad the first female terminator was evil. We had to wait until Terminator: Dark Fate for a good female Terminator. Then again, what if a TX had been reprogrammed by the Resistance and sent back in time? That would’ve given the Resistance an edge against Skynet.
I don't know just my opinion but I liked her more than him she killed somebody at work through the drive-thru she killed a teenage kid at home in real life you will be scared if she was coming at you I just feel like it's because she's a female and no one wants to give her her flowers
@@patrickhuot001 she wasnt a terminator though
I dont like the fatalistic, nihilistic message of the movie, so yeah it very much feels like a cop out the sense that there is no hope for change of ones predicament actually contradicting T2 Theme and message. Kristiana Loken doesnt come off as intimidating, mostly because of the tone of the movie even Arnold was hard to take it seriously. A female terminator using flirtation as a weapon is what makes sense in the context , otherwise there would be no point to have a hot female terminator in the first place, the reason they look like human beings is to pass incognito long enough to kill their targets after all.
I also disliked very much how they portrayed john Connor in this, he was more capable, competent, and with better emotional grip, as a 12 years old, in comparison to this version. Probably very badly miscast, but i also think it was poorly written, maybe to give Claire character the stage and importance instead i guess. Which is another gripe for me considering the overall story of the first two terminator movies.
finally someone reacting to this. all other reactors quit after 2 because everyone tells them the rest suck but I think 3 is hella fun
One fun fact is that Adam Savage from From Mythbusters worked on some of the practical effects for this movie while at ILM. He worked on the particle accelerator conduit where the female terminator gets stuck by the massive electromagnetic field of the conduit. The actor who played John Connor in this movie also played the creepy molester in Sin City.
Yeah, on the scene where Arnold is hanging off the hook of the massive truck, a large chunk was practical, so they only had one take on the part where it tears through half a dozen buildings, from what I recall of the behind the scenes stuff I saw.
When T3 came out on DVD, the extra features had a scene played like a presentation video of the development of the Terminator cyborg design, Arnold played sergeant William Candy with a southern accent, kind of a funny bit :D
This was actually the first one I saw as a kid, and I thought it was awesome.
When this movie came out, I thought it was pretty bad. As I've watched it a few more times over the years, I've come to appreciate it more. The latter third of the movie takes on a more serious and darker tone, culminating in a dark fate for humanity. Yes, I went there. Lol.😂 If only the entire movie would have had that tone. If you're going to do T3 ROTM, you might as well do Terminator Salvation now. The R rated or director's cut is best, and it has that dark tone all the way through. It's actually pretty good, in my opinion.
Holden's corny/dad jokes make my day everytime
I love his "that's what she said" style jokes.... they make me laugh. :)
He’s ready for what’s to come
Just wait until the baby is born, they will get better
"Oh deer" Come one, that was a pretty good one.😁
So glad you guys reacted to this one. So many other channels quit after 2. T3 is clearly not as good as the first two films, but that isn't really a fair comparison. Hard to measure up to perfection.
I liked the inevitability of judgement day and I thought the ending was unexpected and ballsy. Nick Stahl was great and frankly Edward Furlong just did not grow up into a leading man type so this was a good move. Arnold was great and I thought Kristanna Loken was decent. Again it's hard to top Robert Patrick so think it was smart to just be different and maybe a little funny with the TX but also creepy at times. It's not like there wasn't humor in T2.
I especially liked the action sequences and my favorite aspect is how well they convey the weight of the T-800. Definitely the weakest of the first three films, but entertaining and a good set up for salvation which I think is really good. 7/10.
The guy who played John Connor in this movie was also played the main character in the series Carnivale. Only ran for 2 seasons, but it is an awesome series
Carnivale would be a great series for review. A shame that HBO didn't let them have a third season.
I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, it was nowhere near as deep or heavy as the first two, but it was alot of fun, I liked the story, I loved the powers T-X had, I loved the concept of Judgment day happening in front of us. It's all around a good movie and a fun watch! 🥰👍
It's a good 'alternate timeline' where Judgement Day only can be postponed. I mean each movie can sorta be seen as their own timeline. Pre-T1 timeline has Skynet send back a terminator to try and kill Sarah Connor before John is born. Then T1 Skynet in the future from that timeline learns it's prior attempt with one terminator in 1984 failed, so it sends it's T-1000 prototype to 1991 as well as a contingency. T3 is where both prior attempts were learned to have failed so another TDE facility is used to send back the T-X.
It could sorta make sense with it being a change upon change with each successive timeline repeat, so to speak. Compounding changes.
This was the First terminator film I saw in theaters. I grew up watching T1 & T2 on vhs. I have good memories of watching this one. Please continue the marathon! Salvation is actually really underrated.
I have seen both T1 & the T2 film years back on telly first with my GrandDad and my parents (then in the year 2021 after that again on TV) which were GREAT. Rise Of The Machines (which also is underrated and heavily critised for the "not so good" effects which AREN'T as bad as people say for it's day) was decent!! Both T GENESIS and T Salvation are indeed good films and are highly underrated. Also Dark Fate was BORING and I wish that movie was never made
This is the first ever Terminator I have watched. My dad brought the CDs home in 2005 when I was just 8. Didn't really get the concepts of the movie as a kid, but I now see the themes. Awesome reaction
Ah, that is a nice surprise.
I really appreciate when people give this movie a chance. I think it's an underrated movie and deserve more appreciation.
I actually really like Terminator Salvation. I love that its set in the future. Pretty excited to see yall watch it.
Salvation is clearly the different one, which makes it interesting.
Anton Yelchin is great, and I love how the movie starts. Sam Worthington is okay in it, too, even though this was the era where I guess "generic white guy" was very in demand in movies and video games. The "twist" and the fact that John doesn't play a huge role in it kind of bog it down though.
@@aarons.2323 In the original script for Salvation, John Conner was going to be a background character, almost mythical or mysterious, and was maybe going to be in one or two scenes. Christian Bale wanted to play the character and they expanded the role. I think it's two good different movies trying to be the same movie. There was probably a better movie there without Conner as a key character and a better movie with Conner as the lead. They took the middle ground and maybe messed up the story in the process. But with that said, I really like the movie still. It's a darker tone and the cast is great.
I liked it too but I hated how there was still a daytime in it it just didn’t make any sense… the reason why during all the “flashbacks” you’d see of the future war that it seemed like everything took place at night was bc of the nuclear winter that would definitely occur after a nuclear blast… the radioactive ash would block out any sunlight for decades and I didn’t like that for some reason it was still sunny during the movie
It felt generic and forgettable for me. Crazy fact that the guy who directed Terminator Salvation is the same guy who directed the first two Charlie's Angels movies (McG)! Salvation is his weakest movie.
I Love the end and the slow realization that the bunker they were lead to was just a bunker and they were basically trapped and helpless to stop judgement day. The missles launching and hitting over John's speech, with the poignant music, was excellent.
They failed, and John couldn't avoid his destiny. It hit me and the theater I watched in Hard! Very gutsy choice
But the tonal feel of every single terminator movie prior was about how there was a destiny of a potential future. even Kyle says 'one POSSIBLE future' when Sarah asks if the 'gunman' is a robot from the future with disbelief. It's like a prophecy that states 'should judgement day happen, John Connor will lead the human resistance to victory'. Not that 'Judgement Day is Inevitable' because about fighting against that predestined horror of a future and have the small successes. Such as the first movie is where Skynet's plot to kill Sarah in the past prior to John's birth is stopped and the future as seen earlier can happen as it should, possibly with an advantage to humanity cuz pre-knowledge and a chance to better prepare... and Skynet also accidentally ending up having the original T-800 leave behind what is needed to ensure that Skynet gets created in the first place, somewhat levelling the playing field to status quo once again.
T-2 is all about 'well what if WE take the active role to try and change the future', and they seemingly succeed.
I dun mind that Judgement Day is a danger that might happen cuz 'natural technological progress' itself, but that it's inevitable is just not what the core idea of it was or should ever be.
This movie is a classic. Like all of them. Its good you have time for these movies 😁 good luck Holden & Jen 😊
If you two are going to go full Terminator, you ought to watch "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" as well.
I think that this movie has the "Godfather Part III" problem; it isn't bad, but it feels that way because the first two films were so much better.
That actress is Kristanna Loken playing the first female Terminator villain, aka The TX or Terminatrix.
The things I liked in this:
- John without a purpose, running
- the idea of a female terminator
- the action scenes
- I love that one scene with Dr. Silberman :D
- Kate as future wife, and the Terminator who killed John
- Judgment day is inevitable
- Skynet becomes self-aware
- John and Kate realising they were sent to the bunker to survive, not to shut down Skynet
- John's ending speech
The things I didn't like:
- the female terminator was presented to look sexy for the male viewers, but she never took advantage of her appearance and no character ever reacted to her looks
- some of the humor was off (although T2 was the first to add humor to the franchise, and I didn't like some of those, too)
- the lore and the timeline gets kinda messy
All in all, I like this movie even though it's not even close to the previous movies. Same goes for Salvation, by the way.
Anyway, I can imagine that some of the problems in this one were the result of several rewrites of the script. I haven't looked into it, but my theory is that they probably had the idea of a female terminator early on and they were planning to use her looks to make her a silent assassin rather than the brute killing machine. But I guess later they realised that "wait... we won't have epic action scenes with that concept! Scratch that! But let's keep the breast enlargement scene in for male viewers. Fans of the Terminator are likely to be mostly men, right?" Also, the fact that T2 was even a bigger financial success than T1 was, and T2 introduced humor to the franchise, they probably thought: "hey, let's add in more funny stuff, the fans loved those in T2, right?" In the end, I think the main takeaway is that without the original creator's input, filmmakers are mostly clueless and they inevitably mess some things up.
Spot on. Honestly if they did a special cut of this movie with a lot of the stuff with the TX removed and replaced with some more eerie scenes of her just being emotionless and the humor overall toned way down I think it would be vastly improved. The only thing missing then would be some sort of Sarah Connor cameo, could even just be while he talks about her at the cemetery. It's a real shame they didn't do the Salvation with the same cast because that also would've elevated this movie.
I also like T3, one of the biggest issues i had with it was the casting of John Connor. I dont think this actor was a good choice for it.
Kristina Lokken as TX was the bomb, i can understand your critique about her though.
You know what? Most people say this is their least favorite Terminator movie.
But there is one thing that will make me never forget this movie...
The BALLS!!
The sheer *BALLS* !! Like, the shivers, I remember having watching this for the first time.
I remember having a discussion about this exact thing with my best movie friend just the other day. He said he felt betrayed seeing the ending. I on the other hand felt mind-fucked. Like, I couldn't believe what was happening on screen! LOVE this film's ending!!!..... 👍👍👍
I never agreed with or understood any of the backlash that T3 got. I always thought the female terminator and explanation of how the defense system became self-aware were quite effective. And the crane chase scene was incredible.
But most importantly, the ending with Connor stepping into his role and finally becoming the person he always was meant to be; while judgment day was occurring with missiles raining down on the earth that all of our protagonists had wanted to prevent throughout the entire Terminator story with a huge reveal that it never could have been prevented, was especially moving.
The heroes failed their ultimate mission (which is so rare to see in any film, TV, or literature for that matter). But the next chapter was beginning.
That the terminator deceived them into safety so they could start that next chapter, under the guise of helping them to stop judgment day, was a great added touch.
I did miss Sarah in this movie. But even that made sense and didn't negatively affect the movie much.
So was T3 as good as T1 or 2? No. But was it an effective well executed movie in its own right. And a fitting, well done, very memorable closing chapter of the trilogy for me? Absolutely.
It's the Return of the Jedi to ANH and ESB of the Terminator franchise. Only overshadowed due to the brilliance of its predecessors. But it didn't make me enjoy, appreciate, and love ROTJ or T3 any less.
I think only the ending is good. The action is fine but overall the film is trying to do the exact same things as T2 but in a worse way especially with John and Catherine being miscast and not having good dialogue
People aren't happy unless they're complaining about something new every five minutes. There is nothing wrong with this movie whatsoever.
The first 2 terminator films are sci-fi classics this movie is a worthy endpoint for me!! T1 is a 9 and T2 a 9.5. This one is a solid 7.
For me, Terminator is a 9 or 9.5. Terminator 2 is a 10/10 masterpiece. Terminator 3 is probably a 7.5 or 8 for me.
"the sexual overtones"
... 5 minutes later
"Arnolds still got it"
That made me giggle a little.
I love this movie! It does what each movie has done and takes what was best in the previous ones and builds something new and I think it's just as good as the previous two!
It's not bad follow up like people say still first two are classics
One thing this movie did great, was that vehicle destruction scene with that crane truck. Epic. Worth price of admission for that alone.
Yeah it's not as good as the last two but that can be expected. It is a fun movie to watch regardless so I always recommend this for UA-camrs to continue the series. I think with the right cast it would have been awesome. I'm still glad you two checked this movie out. Great job viewing this for your own opinion. That's what makes you guys so awesome! Fantastic review.
When the pickup hits the side of the building it runs directly into the rear of another car and yet THAT car is pushed perfectly aside in a straight line. It's not thrown off angle, it doesn't bounce, it's not spun out like it should be, or anything. It's perfectly plain to see that some machine yanked it directly away at a 90 degree angle.
T3 is definitely a good terminator movie and one of my favorites the ending is definitely the highlight of this sequel because it pulls the rug from underneath you. I’m happy to see reaction videos on this terminator sequel.
same
I was 8 years old when I first saw it in theaters. I even went to the 3D experience at Universal Studios. Out of all the Terminator films, 1-3 is the best.
This is definitely one of those "not so good but entertaining" movies!
Ohhh yeah!!! It was you who were wondering about the keys in the visor thing being common. Actually, it kinda was back in the day. Cause them older cars came with AT LEAST 2 different keys. 1 to unlock the car, 1 to start the car and sometimes another key for the trunk. So you could leave your key to star the car inside and lock it.
Good for you two for doing this. So few do. I personally liked it a lot. And I think you might too if you are not too tainted by its bad reviews. As to James Cameron, he is good at making the first sequel but his own sequel for this franchise, DARK FATE.
17:38 The doctor is actually the same one from Terminator 2. The one that Sarah Connor held hostage in the psych ward and who saw the T-1000 and T-101 fighting.
That's why he ran away as soon as he recognized the T-101.
He was in the first movie as well.
@@liquidsnake321 yep
3 isn't terrible. It still uses practical effects. Has some good action and decent moments and of course the Ending is actually unexpected and amazing, probably the best part of the whole film. Compared to what came after, T3 is decent compared to say Gensys and Dark Fate.
EDIT: Talk about timing. They literally showed T3 a few hours later after you uploaded here on TV where I live. That's such perfect randomness lol.
If I remember correctly, that crane sequence cost around $12-$15 million to shoot and originally the producers wanted that sequence removed during production. Arnold pushed to keep it in and put up around $1.5 million of his own money to make sure that it was included. Mind you, Arnold received almost $30 million to reprise his role in the film.
Also, not long after the movie was released, Arnold became Governor of California and actively began campaigning against violence in video games (not movies, mind you). A week prior to his becoming Governor, the similarly-named Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (the first of three video games based on Terminator 3) was released, where you play as Arnold's Terminator blasting away other Terminators.
underrated movie and a fun one
“You are terminated” 🔥🔥🔥
No!
"Take care of my daughter."
"Oh, don't worry, Sir. She'll be calling me Daddy pretty soon, too."
i died :)))))))
Season 1 and season 2 of Sarah Conner Chronicles are before this movie
Terminator: Salvation is my personal favorite of the series. Sam Worthington and the atmosphere of that movie were amazing!!
I'm pleased to see a reaction to this one. Everyone stops reacting to the series at Judgment Day. I kind of get why, it is such a good movie that probably no sequel can ever live up to it. Not even if they were actually good. 😀 But in retrospect I think this might actually be still the best of all the sequels we got so far and is a decent action movie.
I like 3 better than 2. Nick Stahl > Edward Furlong
The Blond terminator that you get introduced to is played by Kristanna Loken. she is best known for playing BloodRayne and a new character called Taja in Mortal Kombat Konquest. Also that's another series you should watch. At least the pilot anyway.
"Who is your Daddy, and what does he do?" Damn that cracked me up! 🤣
My favorite is Salvation. Even though salvation mostly takes its beats from T-1 I do like how it encorporates T-3 plot elements to make it an even more cohesive story with John almost dying because of the T-101, because in T-3 we are told John dies from the 101 model, but Marcus sacrfices himself to save him. They also took the part of them slowing judgment day into account and made where John isn't the resistance leader until after salvation ends. Probably because all of his generals he was supposed to be with in the bunker with were killed. Salvation is underated and honestly manages to tie in points from the previous 3 movies making it very concise overall. I cant really see plotholes in the movie and I think people really need to watch T-1 to enjoy it since it has an insane amount of callbacks to T-1 but overall I think it was a great continuation. Top 3 of terminator movies in my opinion.
I like terminator salvation also you make great points in your comment about terminator 3 and terminator salvation which are two of my favorite terminator sequels.
they all have entertainment value....some of the action scenes were well done...
Honestly, I'm just a Terminator fan boy. Even if yall didn't react to it, they are worth a watch.
This is my favorite of the series. The over the top explosions mixed with campy one liners is gold for the early 2000’s.
My second favorite terminator film... When it comes to the terminator I loved the TV show
I'm one of those "Terminator 3 is good" people. Yeah, I like this movie. I've never understood why people say it's bad. For me, it's the natural continuation of the story. Thumbs up.
Story is solid, some of the fights are silly, like pro wrestling
@@cpob2013 Agreed.
On it’s own it’s not bad. When compared to the other two it obviously falls short I think that’s what most people do is immediately compared to the other ones
Personally I think T3 is very underrated. It's sad that this film either gets outright dumped on or the whole "its not as good as 1 or 2 thus deserves no recognition". I think there are 2 main flaws with T3. The first is going too overboard on the comedy which also reduces how intimidating the TX could have been. I really think its the comedy and not the actress to blame on that. They should have made sure every time she appears she is unsettling. The second is killing Sarah Connor off screen. If nothing else they should have had a flashback since a mere cameo with Linda Hamilton would have appeased a lot of fans. As far as it being made just to cash in that's probably true at the time. That said I don't think it does an injustice to T2's ending at all. If you look at how scary fast AI is developing right now then the whole idea that judgement day is inevitable should be very believable to you. You can't stop the march of progress, it makes absolute sense that they only delayed it. I think it was a smart way of doing it and the movie leaves John exactly where he needs to be for the future war.
No, I think you’re just infatuated with the word “underrated” like everybody else is on UA-cam.
T3 made $450 million at the box office. Making it the 7th highest grossing movie of 2003, I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but it’s completely fabricated.
Will everybody please shut up about labeling so many things as “underrated!” It’s annoying as hell
@@nsasupporter7557 No I think you just can't read. Underrated has nothing to do with how much money it made. When its talked about it's usually undeserved negativity, that by definition is what makes it underrated. It also has a 6 on IMDB which again is undeserved, it should at least be in the 7 range especially now people have seen how bad the more recent films are. You know what's annoying as hell? When people respond to something they clearly didn't read. Everything I said is pure opinion. That's where I got my information from and had you bothered to read it before having a tantrum you'd know that.
If someone calling a movie underrated, rightfully in this case, and it gets you that annoyed then clearly you haven't got enough problems in your life.
@@EmpyreanDreamer thanks for proving my point that you’re just obsessed with the word underrated! Lol 😂
Pathetically making excuses to use the word. How much money it made has alot to do with whether or not it was underrated!
Why don’t you start a cult where you can worship the word “underrated”
I like all the Terminator movies a lot. T2, Salvation, and Dark Fate are my favorites
It's definitely not as good as the first two but it's not the worst in the series. Interested to see what you guys think about salvation. Have fun and thanks for the content.
I was really hoping Salvation was gonna be an actual war movie but was really disappointed when I saw that it wasn't. an actual story of a terminator war movie was stated by Kyle Reese in Terminator 1 and if you model it after Saving Private Ryan, we have a hell of a war movie.
@@rwwilson21 ya that would have been awesome
@@t_jello420 It can still be done, someone just has to get the fucking balls to fucking make the damn thing. It would be a blockbuster hit.
The premise is so simple: A young fighter in The Resistance battles Skynet self-aware killing machines, helping to take control of a TDE (time displacement equipment) lab complex and is sent back in time to save Sarah Connor from being killed by a T-101.
But have we gotten that, no. we get shit like Dark Fate.
@@rwwilson21 agreed, such a simple premise with great potential... It's kind of like going back and telling the story of rogue one, we knew what happened, just not how.
@@t_jello420 Yeah, the story of Rogue one was right in front of EVERYONE for what, 35-36 years(when it comes to someone finally started to write it.), with the first two paragraphs of the opening crawl of a new hope. insane.
Terminator 1 - 4 tells a complete story, it's #5 that messed everything up when they could have made it loop back to the first.
Salvation is a one off, Genisys kind of is too. Dark Fate is really good and has the OG Sarah Connor in it. It’s supposed to be kind of a sequel to 2 since the three in between were duds.
Even Genisys is better than Dark Fate. I find it funny that people still shit on T3 and JC himself treats it like it doesn't exist yet Dark Fate is what you get if you take T2, remove its soul and make it woke.
Dark Fate is garbage. Easily the worst one.
did u just say dark fate was good -_-
@@AllThingsKen Its easily the worst. The film cannot be forgiven for killing off Eddie Furlong's John.
@@peterlenham3180 I had so many theories of what this film was going to be. Im like if you kill off other shitty movies to make this a direct sequel to T2 it better be fuckin good because you only get one chance to correct it. Came out worse than T3 T_T. Only way to fix this franchise is to go back to the basics. Reboot with a lower budget like T1 and turn it back into a horror film without arnold as the T101
Terminator 3, Spider-Man 3 and X-Men 3 are all movies that I've grown to love over time
I loved X-Men 3… Spider-Man 3 not so much, but it was still better than the Amazing Spider-Man garbage
same
"I don't recognize this actor"
How could you not know the world famous Kristanna Loken. According to Imdb she's known for T3, In the Name of the King (yep still considered a movie by imdb) and Bloodrayne. Both Name of the King and Bloodrayne are Uwe Boll "movies" that are "based" on games, maybe it's time to introduce him to you both. Personally I remember Loken from the hit Sci Fi (before the rebrand to Syfy it's so long ago) show Painkiller Jane, based on the hit Marvel Comic Painkiller Jane.
I think this is the best one I seen it twice in the theater I love it
Thank you, so many channels avoid T3 out of some bad advice of their fans, such a worthy movie.
Many people just didn't like it… You know what I don't even know why they hated it just doesn't make any sense. This was a good movie.
17:40 Also, he was the doctor from the first and second Terminator
23:14 if you look closely at these robots, they have T- and a number in a way you could say they're the first terminators, and they look a lot like the giant tanks that roll around in the future the same goes for the aircraft
T3 has one scene that is one of the best (in T universe) when TX picks the bloody rag at the animal hospital, "Primary Target", and she just lit up.
The very first time I watched T2, I was already predicting that they didn't stop Judgement Day. I said then that they had only delayed it, because eventually the technology would be developed no matter what, resulting in the same outcome as far as the Lore of the film is concerned. I had felt a bit justified in my prediction after this film came out.
There is still a key component missing. There was a deleted scene called "Sgt Candy" if you can find it, be sure to check it out. It explains so much...
I feel you about Claire Danes. Don't care much for her acting and movies. But I feel like Brokedown Palace is a REALLY underrated movie that people should watch at least once. Kate Beckinsale is in it and she kinda saves the movie.
I haven't seen this in YEARS. I remember it came out when I was like 6 and I was excited. Looking over to my dad, he was SO disappointed and I was so confused 😂
"Don't worry sir, she'll be calling me daddy too" 🤭🤭🤭
Never clicked on reaction so fast. T3 is the most underrated sequel in my book but I have fond memories of it as it was the first Terminator instalment I got to see on the silver screen.
I watched the first two Terminator reactions and when I saw you were doing this one and then started watching and you announced you were doing all of them, I immediately subscribed. I’m so friggin pumped for the rest. Especially Dark Fate.
21:42
We also have Chris Hardwick in the movie.
I understand reasons for and against but T3 is still my favorite of all time. change in main actors can be difficult but the story, backstory, action, Jon’s reveal to his future wife, his sacrifice and living off the grid prior to judgement day, all setup for expectations for the day; when all stones are turned many wanted to see Jon’s destiny be fulfilled and how it would play out; levity and portent were what set this movie above the others; it was really Jon’s reprise to his future in leadership and learning to live with his destiny
You mentioned Arnold was paid a lot- Arnold was paid so much, in fact, that during the crane scene he insisted they destroy an actual structure instead of relying on cheaper methods so he paid to have a building built they could obliterate.
13:45 if I'm not mistaken it's actually a Puma/Mountain Lion
Same sound was used in an explosion in Pearl Harbour
I like ALL of the Terminator-2 sequels and usually for different reasons. They have aspects they nailed and aspects they miss. I enjoy them all and think they all have compelling ideas. Terminator 3 probably aged the worst for me of all the sequels but I still like the movie. And the practical stunts are really good. There is a lot of CGI in the movie too but I don't think the movie over-used CGI at all. They did a lot of stuff practically that many filmmakers in the early 2000s would have settled with CGI. I personally was happy they kept making sequels to The Terminator because they are fun and it makes you appreciate how Terminator 2 somehow made a lot of the elements work perfectly in the same movie.
the doctor who treats claire danes in the ambulance is the doctor who watched sarah connor, which is why he tells her that it took him so long to get over a similar situation.
Dogs are not fooled by Terminators and are used as "warnings" for approaching Terminators, which is why they are frequently barking in the background when a Terminator is around. You see it here, as well as in T1 and T2 (John Conner explains the dogs in T1).
The whole "Mic is loose" part could just be Skynet trying to hack Holden's channel
I have always and probably will always love the “you are terminated.” When the T-X explodes.
Interesting how Jen had an issue in the beginning with the female sexual undertones that were clearly written to shine a light on the issue of female sexualization, but then had no problems whatsoever with the actual male sexual undertones that followed immediately after.
Not as good as the first two, but still better than the haters give it credit for, in my opinion, plus it has one of the greatest chase scenes ever filmed. You can forget about the rest of the films, though.
Best female terminator is Summer Glau from the Sarah Connor Chronies series. Definitely worth a watch!
Critics gave this film 3 out of 4 stars, I like this one due to its origin story and gave some really good background on John and how he would start the resistance. Killing off his first lieutenants was the sad part, but more would rise in their stead. The origin of Cyberdyne Systems and Skynet was really interesting.
I will say. I absolutely respect what this film tried to do, and it is way better than some of the other ones that came after.
This film is pretty entertaining and fun to watch. Of course, Terminator & T2 set the bar really high.
Why so many reactors think that Arnold is the same character? It was always obvious to me that in the future there are maybe thousands just like him for infiltration missions.
EDIT: her hair doesn't get messed up because is liquid metal!
The ending fit the series and universe perfectly. The ladies night scene was an inside joke apparently. While filming the opening scene in T2 a woman walked into the bar they were using not realizing they were filming; she saw naked Arnold and asked what was going on. His response “It’s stripper night”