I am one of the 85k, and everyday, I check my email for updates to the end. I relive what the scout leader did to me in the summer camp chapel in Osceola, MO. The more this stays open, the more we relive our abuse. Daily. The moments of our lives are being stolen everyday we think of this. I would run away if I could. Gotta be the example dad and husband and live like it never happened. I sent a 3 page letter to the judge and pictures of me in uniform, post abuse (8th grade) as encouraged by AVA. The BSA has exceeded $100 million in negotiations. Could have been ours but no. Talk about denial of the BSA. People are sad, depressed and dying. We just want it over!!
When I learned that the boy scouts was a religious institution, my first question was "how many children have been sexually assaulted in this organization?" Funny how so many people protect religious institutions and claim they are the most moral, when they do things like this.
I'm almost 50 and I wanted to join the boy scouts when I was in my teens. My mom refused to allow me and told me she didn't trust them...I didn't understand at the time and got angry....Today I understood why!! THANK YOU MOM!
@@usaisamess8880 yeah and it's sad too see to see how a happy loving boy to a sexually abused boy in a matter of seconds and days its just sad to see those kids suffer I feel bad for the little boys that gets sexually abused that goes though the pain and suffering they all went through I would give one kid my love and support to know how much I love them and support them at the same time its just sad seeing them suffer this type of abuse
My heart would shatter if my child was a victim of sexual abuse. Imagine these folks who lived in that moment. Thank you for speaking up, people need to be held accountable!
The woman that took my deposition, ask me how I remember so many details, because the truth don't lie. I remember my situation like it was yesterday. I've been through alot in my life and a lot of therapy, but I think this bothered me so much I put it way back in the archives. When she started asking me questions it came out like it was yesterday it's one of those things I didn't want to remember and I've been paying for it my whole life. It definitely has altered my life.
@Sky Dog but why are people sueing the organisation? why not I don't know sue the people who abused them? people who go after the organisation just because of money don't deserve or need help if they are just trying to get paid
I commend these men for having the strength and courage to come forward, that is not an easy thing to do. It is heartbreaking what they went through and it is good to see that those involved are being held accountable for their part in the devestation caused to these men.
I would risk everything to save a boy scout from being sexually abused its just sad to see these kids suffer plus I will share them and my love and friendship with to encourage how much we love boy scouts and like them too seeing them suffer this kind of abuse is just to sad to watch
It happened to me too. Im only thirty and actually finding out about this case was too revealing for when i signed up. I got allot of issues and plan on trying therapy but with covid and my local area i got to wait almost a full year. I kind of left my body during the abuse. Im hoping the rest of my life gets better and i can heal from the past. I guess its a good thing to have others that experienced it because some people who get abused dont have the validation this case has brought me.
Don't get me wrong they are brave, But how many claims are legit? And now they come out for a bit of money is sick. How many lives could they have saved telling truth years ago. Smh
85,000 victims and HOW MANY criminal convictions? Why were the police not involved. If I had been unwillingly molested I would have told my parents and they would have called the cops.
Girl Scout kicked me out because they said I was abusing others when the opposite was true! I refuse to buy from Girl Scouts because of it! I was the victim and they made me a villian!
Let me get this straight. If you didn't give details, the lady would ask why you can't remember details. If you did remember details, the lady asks why you remember SO many details.
Cub scouts and boy scouts were a god send to our inner city communities where single moms predominated. This is pitiful. It will hurt thousands. When did people become so indecent?
@@nonamegame9857 the people involved with boy scouts that I knew were altruistic people who were doing good for the community, community activists. Same as priests. Only a few are users. But now the organization is ruined to the detriment of all.
@@violetalpenfields that is quite often the case. If you drink coffee from fast food restaurants or convenience stores that has a lid on it, you will notice the statement that it may be hot which is cautionary in nature. There is one person to blame for that warning because decades ago, a woman purchased a hot cup of coffee from a McDonald's and then proceeded to put it between her legs to the point that it then spilled and burnt her legs. To me a normal person would understand that this was her fault but instead she sued McDonald's successfully for over 1 million dollars and because of that, that is why that caution is now on hot beverage containers. It only takes one.
@@nonamegame9857 you must be a teacher, since your explanation is so explicit. Thanks. Though, the situation is pitiful, painfully so. I continue to struggle with means for dealing with such travesty.
@@violetalpenfields I was a USAF instructor. One of the requirements was that you had to be in the top 3% of your career field and I have been a voracious reader for the majority of my life. It's not like anyone has to sit around waiting to be told by someone else to read something or to learn something because that passion has to come from within. Have a great day while I sit inside and the rain falls.
Pedophilia is so sick and what these guys had to deal with as young and adult men is so sad and wrong. Wow and all these decades these Pedophiles got away with their dirt but remember guys you were a child and the victim of some adults sickness. Forgive yourselves and thank you for having courage to let your stories be heard so this kind of trust that was broken can be stopped and these sick people can be held accountable for their actions in the past and we all hope and pray for healing to start now because of your honesty.
That might be an avenue if it happened within the last 30 years?! Mine is over 60, my abuser was in his 30's then, i would doubt hes alive today?! Even his son participated in the "abuse" and he was only 10 years older than me. That would make him in his 80's! If he's alive, so a strong message needs to be sent! Let them borrow from banks and PAY-UP!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you fro sharing. Please feel free to contact us. We are uniting BSA CSA Survivors to hold the BSA accountable beyond the bankruptcy @@richardbarber4126
This info is very good! Im wondering how do you get to relate a story like this.....who asks you.......? $15, 000 is an insult! Lets see, 1960 is 60 some years of PAIN! The BSA better get serious about the amount or individuals will sue for much more!!
Revolting and disgusting what happened to all these poor victims over decades. The filthy dirtbags that hid this from the public and authorities should all be spending their life in jail. That's one thing that needs to change in our justice system
Thank you for sharing. Please let your son know he is not alone to discuss further if he wants to contact us. We are uniting BSA CSA Survivors to hold the BSA accountable beyond the bankruptcy
There's a public defender works the criminal courts represented a buddy of mine who got a 10 year sentence recently..he sold to an undercover..his public defender saw him wearing a crucifix and told him if he were to accuse a priest he could have $50000 on his books by the end of the year. Additionally the lawyer told him he could accuse William Leininger who recently died in MSP who was convicted of molesting BSA'ers. I haven't seen Lance since his legal troubles but lance does not turn down money..these attorneys work on a contingency..on a settlement fund there is no adversarial system..they settle in a pastoral fashion where the accuser is not cross examined by the BSA or church
I think there was a whistblower in SNAP (a victim association) that basically said that if you didn't want to sue they completely ignore you. They also got money from lawyers from referring victim to them in the form of donations. Money corrupts everything.
Too the eighty-five thousand survivors I believe you and empathize with you. However instead of blaming the BSA Scouting blame the the people who actually sexually abused you. I spent seven good years with the BSA and have loved every minute of it, my scoutmasters and other adults who were part of the organization were instrumental in who I am now. I am Eagle Scout and have lived by the scout law and oath my entire life. there are millions of boys and now girls who have benefited from the guidance of BSA. so many good people were part of this organization. I love BSA and will not stand to hear it be slandered.
How 'bout interviews recounting all the great times that we enjoyed in the Boy Scouts? I spent 5 terrific, fun-filled yrs with my buddies & used many skills I learned there to help me later in life. Try not to slant yr tales that unfairly portray an entire group of dedicated adults as pedophiles. Millions of boys enjoyed the BSA w/out any molestation issues.
I understand but this isn't the time to indulge in your happy childhood memories. Also for years it's been portrayed as a great family place. Now it's time for the victims to speak out. Not the time for you to try to downplay their stories bc of your nice memories there. No hate at all - just saying
@@pcbusby I think the meaning of his message was to show that molestation issues shouldn’t be over generalized for the Boy Scouts as a whole and that sexual assault isn’t a common thing out of millions of people. He didn’t disregard their stories at all.
@@pcbusbywhy? Is there a law saying we can't talk about the BSA bc we weren't molested? the 'victims' hv bn crying & suing ad nauseam. I've listened to their hand-wringing for years. Now IS the time to recount all the terrific stories from our exciting & fun-filled adventures with the Boy Scouts. Don't like it? Don't read about it!
I was in the Scouts, but only in a kind of school/neighborhood fashion. We had meetings/activities at my local elementary school and at various homes of "Den Mothers". I only went on one camping trip, but there was a huge tent everyone shared and fathers were invited. I suppose I was lucky. I never liked the Scouts and dropped out after 6th grade as soon as my parents let me (my mom only put my sister and I in the Scouts to appease her fundamentalist christian mother). I've always been nonreligious, so the overt christianity was offensive to me even as a small child (I refused to parrot back the Scout oath after a certain age: "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey..." yea. stop right there. no. obey? duty to "god"? I knew that was unAmerican and morally/politically dangerous even when I was 7, which was also the at the time I repeatedly got into trouble for refusing to parrot back the unAmerican Pledge of Allegiance that had similar nationalistic/theocratic language). Also, the overt nationalism was offensive as well: the Scouts now consistently remind me of almost like a Hitler Youth movement, only with a kind of America First White Christian Ethno-Nationalism. This was in the 80's and in the affluent suburbs of a large midwest US city, not some backwater. I can't imagine the brainwashing and sexual abuse that went on in more rural and smaller Scout organizations with less intelligent/educated parents who would be less suspicious and more aligned with the Scouts extremist White Supremacist Christian Nationalism. In sum: the Scouts, like any other cult-like far-right group (such as christianity) is unAmerican, immoral and dangerous. Keep your kids far away from it if you want them to mentally healthy and physically unabused.
Why is the Pledge of Allegiance "unAmerican"? I understand you may have had a bad experience but I just wanted to throw this out there that the Boy Scouts of America was organized in 1910 way before Hitler used the Boy Scouts as a model for his Hitler Youth. Countries all over the world have scouting as it teaches fundamental leadership skills and how to be a good citizen. Better yet, how to care for others and be "open-minded". If we didn't have scouting I bet we would have no one to stand up for others or try to save someone's life while everybody else just watches and records what's happening on their smartphones these days. Maybe you may not like the nationalistic vibe that scouting offers but to me I found it very patriotic to serve others and do my duty to God. It's a way to serve my community. As an Asian-American who has been in the Boy Scouts for 10 years, I haven't seen a "white supremacist Christain Nationalism" or sexual abuse. I know a lot of my friends in my troop that is chartered by our local Veterans VFW are atheist or Muslim. Many of our nation's leaders have been Boy Scouts like John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Gerald Ford, Neil Armstrong, and Bill Clinton. Even Steven Spielberg and the CEO of Walmart: Sam Walton. We become politicians, world leaders, Navy seals, and serve our nation. You may argue this was out of luck but many believe achieving the rank of Eagle is one of the proudest achievements one can have as a youth. The program was built to form boys into young men with various skills including leadership. I would not discourage parents from letting their sons join the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts is a way to form young men, especially for those in divorced families or without father figures. I understand the circumstances as seen in the news can be bad which I am very disappointed in as much as you are, especially with letting girls in the "BOY" Scouts and all these sexual abuse cases. But times are changing. Experiences are different for everyone past and present. As said in the video, BSA has stressed criminal background checks since the early 2000s. Thanks for reading this far.
The loss of American nationalism and culture is what is destroying this country today. Theres barely any binding factor between people and groups anymore and it's sad. I'm a nonreligious person who is a boy scout and many of my troop members are as well, but I've never been 'offended' because the Scout Oath says things about God. Do you wonder why I'm not offended? Because I don't care and I know that the Scout Oath and Law still have a good message behind them that everyone should follow. As for your comments claiming the Boy Scouts is a white supremisist cult, I have personally never experienced anything of the sort in the organization and quite frankly it offends me that you would make such an outrageous statement. There are plenty of non-white people in boy scouts especially here down in the south east. Sure, you'll find a couple people who may have some seemingly racist and outdated ideas but that is with any organization. Also regarding so called abuse, the BSA has implanted many percossions against any sorts of abuse. I myself am not a far right conservative person and frankly a couple people in my troop are on the more democratic side, but yet myself and those people I mentioned still love Scouting for what it is. Theres nothing wrong with being proud to be American, I'm not sure where many people get the idea that any kind of nationalism is wrong. I am just someone who loves my country, loves the outdoors, loves my friends, and wants to make sure I in some way improve the country by being a great citizen.
I don't know the details of the case... but how exactly are they supposed to prove that BSA as an organization was responsible? Overall, the boy scouts are a wonderful organization and the experience of being a boy scout is important part of the lives of millions of men all over the world. It's unfortunate that a relatively small number of disturbed individuals (the leaders who actually committed the offences) can sully the reputation of an important beneficial organization. The people who committed the crimes should obviously be punished to the full extent of the law, but I'm not sure that the entire organization deserves to be bankrupted because of it.
Because they covered it up and shuffled around abusers just like the Catholic church. Had they called the cops, many boys would not have been molested later. So yea absolutely they are responsible they are accomplices to many of these claims, if not all because of the many
I feel for these men and I know victims. But Scouts BSA now has about every policy in place that you can possibly put in an organization like this. The rules and policies are strict. There's not much else that can be done beyond dissolving the organization. But if that were to happen, you'd just have smaller organizations take its place that would be far less safe for not having the policies the BSA have spent the last 20+ years implementing.
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I am one of the 85k, and everyday, I check my email for updates to the end. I relive what the scout leader did to me in the summer camp chapel in Osceola, MO. The more this stays open, the more we relive our abuse. Daily. The moments of our lives are being stolen everyday we think of this. I would run away if I could. Gotta be the example dad and husband and live like it never happened. I sent a 3 page letter to the judge and pictures of me in uniform, post abuse (8th grade) as encouraged by AVA. The BSA has exceeded $100 million in negotiations. Could have been ours but no. Talk about denial of the BSA. People are sad, depressed and dying. We just want it over!!
I'm also one of the 84,000, I'm here with you.
@@kellycollier5809 its good to hear someone out there. Its pretty quiet on the front. Where are you from? I'm in KCMO.
@@granth8487 I'm from Columbus Ohio, I'm just wanting this to be over.
@@kellycollier5809 I hear ya, bud. I hear ya.
@@JB-gg5wq agreed- looks like we're going after it too!
When I learned that the boy scouts was a religious institution, my first question was "how many children have been sexually assaulted in this organization?" Funny how so many people protect religious institutions and claim they are the most moral, when they do things like this.
I've never heard of a non religious organisation abusing children..
I'm almost 50 and I wanted to join the boy scouts when I was in my teens. My mom refused to allow me and told me she didn't trust them...I didn't understand at the time and got angry....Today I understood why!! THANK YOU MOM!
@@usaisamess8880 Really? No teachers, coaches, Olympic doctors?
@@countcagliostro3337 show me one that wasn't religious
@@usaisamess8880 yeah and it's sad too see to see how a happy loving boy to a sexually abused boy in a matter of seconds and days its just sad to see those kids suffer I feel bad for the little boys that gets sexually abused that goes though the pain and suffering they all went through I would give one kid my love and support to know how much I love them and support them at the same time its just sad seeing them suffer this type of abuse
I was a victim and now I am reliving this awful NIGHTMARE!! I am 46 now, I was only 10 at the time
Absolutely horrific 😢
Childhood trauma never goes away especially when you a minority dealing with racism
You wrong for throwing racism in this
racism is a word that would be inaccurate. united we stand, divided we?
You are so right
My heart would shatter if my child was a victim of sexual abuse. Imagine these folks who lived in that moment. Thank you for speaking up, people need to be held accountable!
The woman that took my deposition, ask me how I remember so many details, because the truth don't lie. I remember my situation like it was yesterday. I've been through alot in my life and a lot of therapy, but I think this bothered me so much I put it way back in the archives. When she started asking me questions it came out like it was yesterday it's one of those things I didn't want to remember and I've been paying for it my whole life. It definitely has altered my life.
I know EXACTLY how u feel....
Ditto my friend
@Sky Dog As do I
@Sky Dog ....isnt strange how we can forget anniversaries or bday of friends....but we NEVER forget what happened close to 50yrs ago...!!!
@Sky Dog but why are people sueing the organisation? why not I don't know sue the people who abused them? people who go after the organisation just because of money don't deserve or need help if they are just trying to get paid
I have anxiety, depression, and PTSD. I am not going to ever get over what was done to me and others involved 😢
delete the negative flashes in your mind. do not look to the things behind, press on to the things ahead.
I commend these men for having the strength and courage to come forward, that is not an easy thing to do. It is heartbreaking what they went through and it is good to see that those involved are being held accountable for their part in the devestation caused to these men.
I would risk everything to save a boy scout from being sexually abused its just sad to see these kids suffer plus I will share them and my love and friendship with to encourage how much we love boy scouts and like them too seeing them suffer this kind of abuse is just to sad to watch
It happened to me too. Im only thirty and actually finding out about this case was too revealing for when i signed up. I got allot of issues and plan on trying therapy but with covid and my local area i got to wait almost a full year. I kind of left my body during the abuse. Im hoping the rest of my life gets better and i can heal from the past. I guess its a good thing to have others that experienced it because some people who get abused dont have the validation this case has brought me.
These men are so brave
They're just looking for money. If they were really brave they would have said something years ago and prevented more abuse.
@@Batman-bl5qy you need to learn to forgive yourself
@@PhilospherDjPsychologist24 Really for what? 🙄
Don't get me wrong they are brave, But how many claims are legit? And now they come out for a bit of money is sick. How many lives could they have saved telling truth years ago. Smh
@@Batman-bl5qy when you're 12 and threatened it's hard to tell.
85,000 victims and HOW MANY criminal convictions? Why were the police not involved. If I had been unwillingly molested I would have told my parents and they would have called the cops.
lots of them were arrested.
Girl Scout kicked me out because they said I was abusing others when the opposite was true! I refuse to buy from Girl Scouts because of it! I was the victim and they made me a villian!
They were wrong then. All of these supposedly safe areas need to be looked into.
I was kicked out or either my mom pulled me out due to the same. The girls were bullying me but they instead blamed me and I left.
@@pcbusby same, haven't able to recover from it! Glad to hear that I am not alone in this!!
The Salvation Army is also one of them
A lot of us are in our 70's or older.. hopefully we won't be dead before they finally settle this
Let me get this straight. If you didn't give details, the lady would ask why you can't remember details. If you did remember details, the lady asks why you remember SO many details.
Jehovah Witnesses too not just Mormons, Catholicsand the BSA
A hundred billion is what they should be paid!
Cub scouts and boy scouts were a god send to our inner city communities where single moms predominated. This is pitiful. It will hurt thousands. When did people become so indecent?
They became indecent long before we were born but it just was not reported on back then.
@@nonamegame9857 the people involved with boy scouts that I knew were altruistic people who were doing good for the community, community activists. Same as priests. Only a few are users. But now the organization is ruined to the detriment of all.
@@violetalpenfields that is quite often the case. If you drink coffee from fast food restaurants or convenience stores that has a lid on it, you will notice the statement that it may be hot which is cautionary in nature. There is one person to blame for that warning because decades ago, a woman purchased a hot cup of coffee from a McDonald's and then proceeded to put it between her legs to the point that it then spilled and burnt her legs. To me a normal person would understand that this was her fault but instead she sued McDonald's successfully for over 1 million dollars and because of that, that is why that caution is now on hot beverage containers. It only takes one.
@@nonamegame9857 you must be a teacher, since your explanation is so explicit. Thanks. Though, the situation is pitiful, painfully so. I continue to struggle with means for dealing with such travesty.
@@violetalpenfields I was a USAF instructor. One of the requirements was that you had to be in the top 3% of your career field and I have been a voracious reader for the majority of my life. It's not like anyone has to sit around waiting to be told by someone else to read something or to learn something because that passion has to come from within. Have a great day while I sit inside and the rain falls.
Pedophilia is so sick and what these guys had to deal with as young and adult men is so sad and wrong. Wow and all these decades these Pedophiles got away with their dirt but remember guys you were a child and the victim of some adults sickness. Forgive yourselves and thank you for having courage to let your stories be heard so this kind of trust that was broken can be stopped and these sick people can be held accountable for their actions in the past and we all hope and pray for healing to start now because of your honesty.
This whole thing is awful, the BSA basically allowed this to happen by ignoring it
What about prison for the perpetrators?
Seems religion has a magic protective shield.
That might be an avenue if it happened within the last 30 years?! Mine is over 60, my abuser was in his 30's then, i would doubt hes alive today?! Even his son participated in the "abuse" and he was only 10 years older than me. That would make him in his 80's! If he's alive, so a strong message needs to be sent! Let them borrow from banks and PAY-UP!!!!!!!!!!
@@richardbarber4126 I hope you have peace
Thank you fro sharing. Please feel free to contact us. We are uniting BSA CSA Survivors to hold the BSA accountable beyond the bankruptcy @@richardbarber4126
This info is very good! Im wondering how do you get to relate a story like this.....who asks you.......? $15, 000 is an insult! Lets see, 1960 is 60 some years of PAIN! The BSA better get serious about the amount or individuals will sue for much more!!
AUTOMATIC SOCIAL SECURITY AND DISABILITY for the VICTIMS!! THE U.S gvt needs to step up to the plate.
Revolting and disgusting what happened to all these poor victims over decades. The filthy dirtbags that hid this from the public and authorities should all be spending their life in jail. That's one thing that needs to change in our justice system
been there. Hardest thing is being expected to have a "normal life" after that, & nobody wanting to look under the rug they swept it all beneath.
I want to tell my story and need help find out what I don't remember
Please know you are not alone. Please feel free to contact us if you'd like to discuss
NO $$ will be enough. 😢
Who is monitoring the abusers, that are still alive.
My son is one of the 85K.
Thank you for sharing. Please let your son know he is not alone to discuss further if he wants to contact us. We are uniting BSA CSA Survivors to hold the BSA accountable beyond the bankruptcy
A LOT of these scouts met in the CATHOLIC CHURCH, i hope they contribute..
There's a public defender works the criminal courts represented a buddy of mine who got a 10 year sentence recently..he sold to an undercover..his public defender saw him wearing a crucifix and told him if he were to accuse a priest he could have $50000 on his books by the end of the year.
Additionally the lawyer told him he could accuse William Leininger who recently died in MSP who was convicted of molesting BSA'ers.
I haven't seen Lance since his legal troubles but lance does not turn down money..these attorneys work on a contingency..on a settlement fund there is no adversarial system..they settle in a pastoral fashion where the accuser is not cross examined by the BSA or church
I think there was a whistblower in SNAP (a victim association) that basically said that if you didn't want to sue they completely ignore you. They also got money from lawyers from referring victim to them in the form of donations. Money corrupts everything.
Heartbreaking.
So how will victims be paid? Will everyone get the same amount even though some have been molested more than others and have more damages?
Thank you, it's a very long and frustrating story. We are doing all we can to hold the BSA accountable far beyond the bankruptcy.
That's messed up I think they stopped this by the 90s everyone I know loved the scouts we had a amazing rally at bellisle in Detroit ❤❤
And hopefully not taking the retirements of all the innocent hardworking people in the organization.
The Church ignore it, didn't listen to us about the abuse. 😢😅😂Mormon Church ignore us,didn't believe us.I am not a member anymore, hurts inside 😢
man when u fff a boy u just ki.lls him u just brok hia suol like forevr kinda. u just distroyed him ....
Too the eighty-five thousand survivors I believe you and empathize with you. However instead of blaming the BSA Scouting blame the the people who actually sexually abused you. I spent seven good years with the BSA and have loved every minute of it, my scoutmasters and other adults who were part of the organization were instrumental in who I am now. I am Eagle Scout and have lived by the scout law and oath my entire life. there are millions of boys and now girls who have benefited from the guidance of BSA. so many good people were part of this organization. I love BSA and will not stand to hear it be slandered.
Learn more about the case before defending the BSA.
They do that because they have the chance to do that being a boy scout leader
How 'bout interviews recounting all the great times that we enjoyed in the Boy Scouts? I spent 5 terrific, fun-filled yrs with my buddies & used many skills I learned there to help me later in life. Try not to slant yr tales that unfairly portray an entire group of dedicated adults as pedophiles. Millions of boys enjoyed the BSA w/out any molestation issues.
Thank you for putting that out there!
I understand but this isn't the time to indulge in your happy childhood memories. Also for years it's been portrayed as a great family place. Now it's time for the victims to speak out. Not the time for you to try to downplay their stories bc of your nice memories there. No hate at all - just saying
@@pcbusby I think the meaning of his message was to show that molestation issues shouldn’t be over generalized for the Boy Scouts as a whole and that sexual assault isn’t a common thing out of millions of people. He didn’t disregard their stories at all.
@@pcbusbywhy? Is there a law saying we can't talk about the BSA bc we weren't molested? the 'victims' hv bn crying & suing ad nauseam. I've listened to their hand-wringing for years.
Now IS the time to recount all the terrific stories from our exciting & fun-filled adventures with the Boy Scouts. Don't like it? Don't read about it!
@@pcbusby 😭👶
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I was in the Scouts, but only in a kind of school/neighborhood fashion. We had meetings/activities at my local elementary school and at various homes of "Den Mothers".
I only went on one camping trip, but there was a huge tent everyone shared and fathers were invited.
I suppose I was lucky.
I never liked the Scouts and dropped out after 6th grade as soon as my parents let me (my mom only put my sister and I in the Scouts to appease her fundamentalist christian mother). I've always been nonreligious, so the overt christianity was offensive to me even as a small child (I refused to parrot back the Scout oath after a certain age: "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey..." yea. stop right there. no. obey? duty to "god"? I knew that was unAmerican and morally/politically dangerous even when I was 7, which was also the at the time I repeatedly got into trouble for refusing to parrot back the unAmerican Pledge of Allegiance that had similar nationalistic/theocratic language).
Also, the overt nationalism was offensive as well: the Scouts now consistently remind me of almost like a Hitler Youth movement, only with a kind of America First White Christian Ethno-Nationalism. This was in the 80's and in the affluent suburbs of a large midwest US city, not some backwater. I can't imagine the brainwashing and sexual abuse that went on in more rural and smaller Scout organizations with less intelligent/educated parents who would be less suspicious and more aligned with the Scouts extremist White Supremacist Christian Nationalism.
In sum: the Scouts, like any other cult-like far-right group (such as christianity) is unAmerican, immoral and dangerous. Keep your kids far away from it if you want them to mentally healthy and physically unabused.
Why is the Pledge of Allegiance "unAmerican"?
I understand you may have had a bad experience but I just wanted to throw this out there that the Boy Scouts of America was organized in 1910 way before Hitler used the Boy Scouts as a model for his Hitler Youth. Countries all over the world have scouting as it teaches fundamental leadership skills and how to be a good citizen. Better yet, how to care for others and be "open-minded". If we didn't have scouting I bet we would have no one to stand up for others or try to save someone's life while everybody else just watches and records what's happening on their smartphones these days.
Maybe you may not like the nationalistic vibe that scouting offers but to me I found it very patriotic to serve others and do my duty to God. It's a way to serve my community. As an Asian-American who has been in the Boy Scouts for 10 years, I haven't seen a "white supremacist Christain Nationalism" or sexual abuse. I know a lot of my friends in my troop that is chartered by our local Veterans VFW are atheist or Muslim.
Many of our nation's leaders have been Boy Scouts like John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Gerald Ford, Neil Armstrong, and Bill Clinton. Even Steven Spielberg and the CEO of Walmart: Sam Walton. We become politicians, world leaders, Navy seals, and serve our nation. You may argue this was out of luck but many believe achieving the rank of Eagle is one of the proudest achievements one can have as a youth. The program was built to form boys into young men with various skills including leadership.
I would not discourage parents from letting their sons join the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts is a way to form young men, especially for those in divorced families or without father figures. I understand the circumstances as seen in the news can be bad which I am very disappointed in as much as you are, especially with letting girls in the "BOY" Scouts and all these sexual abuse cases. But times are changing. Experiences are different for everyone past and present. As said in the video, BSA has stressed criminal background checks since the early 2000s.
Thanks for reading this far.
The loss of American nationalism and culture is what is destroying this country today. Theres barely any binding factor between people and groups anymore and it's sad. I'm a nonreligious person who is a boy scout and many of my troop members are as well, but I've never been 'offended' because the Scout Oath says things about God. Do you wonder why I'm not offended? Because I don't care and I know that the Scout Oath and Law still have a good message behind them that everyone should follow.
As for your comments claiming the Boy Scouts is a white supremisist cult, I have personally never experienced anything of the sort in the organization and quite frankly it offends me that you would make such an outrageous statement. There are plenty of non-white people in boy scouts especially here down in the south east. Sure, you'll find a couple people who may have some seemingly racist and outdated ideas but that is with any organization. Also regarding so called abuse, the BSA has implanted many percossions against any sorts of abuse.
I myself am not a far right conservative person and frankly a couple people in my troop are on the more democratic side, but yet myself and those people I mentioned still love Scouting for what it is. Theres nothing wrong with being proud to be American, I'm not sure where many people get the idea that any kind of nationalism is wrong. I am just someone who loves my country, loves the outdoors, loves my friends, and wants to make sure I in some way improve the country by being a great citizen.
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I don't know the details of the case... but how exactly are they supposed to prove that BSA as an organization was responsible?
Overall, the boy scouts are a wonderful organization and the experience of being a boy scout is important part of the lives of millions of men all over the world.
It's unfortunate that a relatively small number of disturbed individuals (the leaders who actually committed the offences) can sully the reputation of an important beneficial organization. The people who committed the crimes should obviously be punished to the full extent of the law, but I'm not sure that the entire organization deserves to be bankrupted because of it.
Because they covered it up and shuffled around abusers just like the Catholic church. Had they called the cops, many boys would not have been molested later. So yea absolutely they are responsible they are accomplices to many of these claims, if not all because of the many
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@Sky Dog I don't have a son. I'm just empathetic and sympathetic to the things that happened to whoever's child.
I feel for these men and I know victims. But Scouts BSA now has about every policy in place that you can possibly put in an organization like this. The rules and policies are strict. There's not much else that can be done beyond dissolving the organization. But if that were to happen, you'd just have smaller organizations take its place that would be far less safe for not having the policies the BSA have spent the last 20+ years implementing.
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